i could use some help..

[-AmIGosuoRwHat-]

wtf to do UD vs HU he mass rifle + sors + prist AM and MK... abdo ? can't ****ing dispel ... 3 heros ? win my ass.... thx in front

[Terrorboy]

It's simple man.....take DK and harras with rod of necromancy. Creep with ghouls. Then take lich and build statues from 2 slaughterhouses. Take CT and build destro+abominations. Devour magic.

Note: I am human, not UD player, but this army is hard to beat for humans.

[Who_Am_I]

Just as terrory boy says. The human knows best what works best vs him. 3 hero,few aboms(or more depending on lenght of game) and as much destros as you can afford. Ofcourse the more rifles he has more aboms you make. Same goes with casters and destros.

[RockYz*4]

mass more hunts newbelves :P

[sakky]

one hint. as the game lasts more, human stands little chances. correction, ALL races are having less and less chacnes to win UD as the games lasts on.... UD with levels is a NIGHTMARE.
and abom + desto is hard stuff. but main stuff for UD are their heroes.

[Dave]

but main stuff for UD are their heroes.

yea, UD hero combo is imba...

[Arie-]

Originally posted by Dave
yea, UD hero combo is imba... but their army is weake than any other race's

[sakky]

weak, until tier3..... ofcourse dont mention about NE army, cause NE is having strongest army for lacking of hero combo in most of cases (tavern maps erase that problem ofcurse).
thats why elves also have moonwells and thats why they have strong hero rushers. and thats also why hero soloing is having XP bounty. otherwise you would beat elf after u get on higher tier. that would just sux.

now, u guess the point. other races need to get some little advantage until UD gets his army and getting levels to heroes. not to beat UD, but to be matchable. w/o it, they would just suck, like elf would suck in soloing hero w/o XP bounty and moonwells.

[Who_Am_I]

Originally posted by RockYz*4
mass more hunts newbelves :P

Ye massing hunts always works. Btw i tried your advice with tinker and mass tier 1 and it did work vs orc :)

[Arie-]

Originally posted by Who_Am_I
Ye massing hunts always works. Btw i tried your advice with tinker and mass tier 1 and it did work vs orc :) tinker is deadly in ud vs ne.

[Terrorboy]

Tinker is IMBA:D I dunno why ppl dont use him often but he is good in team and FFA:p

[RockYz*4]

ofc it works i beated many good players with that strat on north keke

[RockYz*4]

for newbdead vs mass rifles + casters, check AMs items he will propably fall like a fly with coil+nova+some focus, if not nova+impale to slow down mass, ghouls move to center of riflemen attack, destros for slow and WE then attack some units in front of army dont allow them to make their way in the center of riflemen, abos is in need vs heavy armies(i mean when u **** ur pants cz the mass of rifles), and ofc scrolls blablabal, but wtf i think its really easy every UD do that **** (almost), so check replays, stop crying, and mass more hunts :D

[Arie-]

Originally posted by RockYz*4
for newbdead vs mass rifles + casters, check AMs items he will propably fall like a fly with coil+nova+some focus, if not nova+impale to slow down mass, ghouls move to center of riflemen attack, destros for slow and WE then attack some units in front of army dont allow them to make their way in the center of riflemen, abos is in need vs heavy armies(i mean when u **** ur pants cz the mass of rifles), and ofc scrolls blablabal, but wtf i think its really easy every UD do that **** (almost), so check replays, stop crying, and mass more hunts :D STFU NOOBELF :D it is not as easy as you think. While ud is not teched enough, he cant do anything, just plain harass, thats why he has to save money in order to get along with the tier 1/ 2 enemy armies.

Tinker is NOT goos in FFA.

[RockYz*4]

Originally posted by Arie-
STFU NOOBELF :D it is not as easy as you think. While ud is not teched enough, he cant do anything, just plain harass, thats why he has to save money in order to get along with the tier 1/ 2 enemy armies.

Tinker is NOT goos in FFA.

said by FFA player - OWNED buhahaha

[TheDarkWarlock]

make some destroyers - hum cant count destroyers!
their only way is to make riftles which r wick vs undead (and yet they dont 'destroyers killer')
when i play vs undead i useally dont attack them becouse of their high life and their fly ability- use that
and dont forget to count the w e with the destroyers- very importent

[Arie-]

Originally posted by RockYz*4
said by FFA player - OWNED buhahaha look my profile http://www.battle.net/war3/ladder/w3xp-player-profile.aspx?Gateway=Northrend&PlayerName=Arie-
GG NO RE

[RockYz*4]

Originally posted by Arie-
look my profile http://www.battle.net/war3/ladder/w3xp-player-profile.aspx?Gateway=Northrend&PlayerName=Arie-
GG NO RE

yes it is really a GG no RE (joke) :D, every1 plays what he enjoyes

[Arie-]

Originally posted by RockYz*4
yes it is really a GG no RE (joke) :D, every1 plays what he enjoyes dont try, i saw that before edit ^^

[RockYz*4]

****!! :D

[Demonhide_PT]

3 heros all the way! DK+Lich+Cl ofc, cl impale, nova in the center of hum army, coil to do the rest...2 slaughter house, [2 statues] [3-4 abos] [2 destros][3-4 fiends] !! hero harass !!

[becks[07]]

undead tier 3 owns other races tier 1/2 ^^,the only undead power is heros
and about dest thing dont tell me u cant counter dest with mass rifels+_-

[Arie-]

Originally posted by becks[07]
undead tier 3 owns other races tier 1/2 ^^,the only undead power is heros
and about dest thing dont tell me u cant counter dest with mass rifels+_- not always, but rifles own dests/dests dont do anything to rifles while they FF the fat-ass stunned aboms.

[sakky]

one thing. in no lag game, when UD gets abos+desto +3 hero combo u ll get raped unless u simply outnumber UD. why? warcraft 3 is dependable on pulling units as a main part of the game. i usually get zeppo to put my weak rifle in it. i simply CANT pull it back because of noob knight. thats why coil beats all micro on just bigger DK level for imba range and all stuff, not because it is soemthing else. hit and run eats ****. good UD players wont lose their destos that easily. they can easily pull it back, or even heal it while pulling them back. try to pull back your rifles when nova does its part + UD is max speed army.

btw @becks: watch on the part of pulling units vs UD. or UD shooting spell and run strats. one by one unit picked off, UD gets advantage more and more. that way they can even beat enemy who got established expo and got expo refunded + got bigger army. thats the way they win the game even if they are outnumbered. kill one unit and move their max speed ass back. next time one unit more to be nova+coiled. then they get those levels and nuke to death. remember, w3 is 90% dependable on pulling weak units back. try to pull it from max speed army + nuking spells + AOE slow/stun. evne if u suceed in that, theres coil with biggest spell range to catch unit anyway.
theres your answer on how they can own 70 food army by shooting spells.

[sakky]

Originally posted by Arie-
not always, but rifles own dests/dests dont do anything to rifles while they FF the fat-ass stunned aboms.

and thats why UD has best % vs HU in general? yeah, it depends on player's best/worse matchup, so u can see some difference among players. but its known that UD are having their best score against human in general. similar topic was actuel in 1.17 patch on w3 forums. i think its same even now, cause almost nothing changed in hu vs UD matchup...

[Who_Am_I]

Abuse the gyros!!!!! No joke. I really mean it.

[Arie-]

omg, DK is not a mana machine! He is a str hero and is out of mana fast! i know this ****, but just build an exp somewhere secretly when ud ****s off and tower it and its gg for ud. Generally thats what you have to do, when ud is not harassing - exp.

[becks[07]]

when u get in battle and undead force u to get back u lose,but undead hardly make some1 bull back unless focus hero and there is tp even if he was just bulling back he can tp

tri here>>>rifels ok i 100% agree,but im talking hum tier 3 army some knights in front will keep rifles more safe specially that heavy abo's moves little slow becuz there stomac is bigggggg:D

about that dk thing u can always give him storm bolt and some focus,surely he wont die but he wont come near to bother u lot^^,and even u may kill him after if he made mistake and get him in battle again

[Demonhide_]

try having MK for 1º with clap, pala for 2º & AM for 3º (optional)

MK as 1º is really usefull

[Arie-]

Originally posted by Demonhide_
try having MK for 1º with clap, pala for 2º & AM for 3º (optional)

MK as 1º is really usefull wtf with your avatar?

[Demonhide_]

:D he he. hack? no! i registed this nick in the time that custom avatars were enabled ^^

[Arie-]

Originally posted by Demonhide_
:D he he. hack? no! i registed this nick in the time that custom avatars were enabled ^^ me too, but i dont have my ava. Its a bug or something, your a lucky man! :)

[Demonhide_]

he he, i guess so ^^ but not big deal, having a custom avatar:(

[Demonhide_PT]

bah, you evil persons! you deleted my avatar :mad:

:p