What can human do for orc??

[CountSpellJack1]

Tell me plz. what can human do for orc? Far seer`s lighting + turen cheiftain`s schokwave = no priest ,no sorcess.... grunts hp 700+100 footmen not enough rifle low hp. so human isnt imba. look ladders in northend vs.. there isnt so much human player in top50


--orc>elf>ud>human----

[-Destroyer-]

well...this is strat i almost always use vs orcs&humans...first build altar,farm and arcane vault...then choose bloodmage and bye potions from vault...offcourse u will have to scout with peasant after he builds altar...just cast fire on workers...ecape..then do it again...escape...then do it again...((close the base and build guard towers))...when u upgrade take second hero archmage who will cast blizzard...build 10 spellbreakers with some upgrades(like taking summons :P) and couple of dragonhawks(if u see he builds birds)...after offcourse build sorceress etc...i dont know i maybe lost 2 games with this strat...
u can also change these strats like making rifles on beggining and then spellbreakers...

[sakky]

jsut go like this: get good micro, start building altar and rax. thne peasant poping up from town hall oges building farm. that peasant will build another after he finnishes this one. until then, u are training workers and pointing rally point form hall to gold mine. 9th owrker goes on lumber. workers finnished altar and rax go lumbering also.... u dont need tower if u re good and in most of the maps (for this way of plying its wise to thumb 2rivers map).

just build enough workers to upgrade and do smart switch after few foots going on rifles. dont lose units, go militia creep in maps if u can, and thats it. defend yourself unitl u get massed rifles, tier2 casters and MK higher level.. i m usually facing orc when he gets bolt lvlv 2. then u are free to fight orc in direct fight, but u must bo good in microing.

if its laggy, or if u have even minor delay, u are in pretty hard, almost impossible situation for this strat, remember this... at least if orc is good player.

[Terrorboy]

CountSpellJack1 napisał(a)
Tell me plz. what can human do for orc? Far seer`s lighting + turen cheiftain`s schokwave = no priest ,no sorcess.... grunts hp 700+100 footmen not enough rifle low hp. so human isnt imba. look ladders in northend vs.. there isnt so much human player in top50


--orc>elf>ud>human---- LOL

Man northrend ladder still changed and I remember not so long time ago when 1.17 started there was 10 humans in top 20:) I prefer more sorceress then priest and buy scroll of healing.....And Beastmaster could be good instead of MK sometimes. About army dont do many foots becoz chainwave. Replace riflemans/knights. And gryphins are great OFC:)

[sakky]

one thing. if he builds beastmaster against UD as second, it means gg in most of games. u need some hero to make UD fear. and that is MK certainly.

torrorboy, all races are pretty balanced, u can hear that was said so muc htimes. yet, the game isnt balanced totally, so u can see that most of games are won by imbalances. main thing is how to make each imbalance being covered by other imbalance and not to give other race soem advantage. thats the main problem. and currently, elf is having slight advantage in general. little advantage, by how much different strats they can go, on how they can change strat, teir timing is pretty felxible etc. yet, human is having elf as best race they can get in average games. gosu players arent that lucky, at least in tavern maps. but non tavern maps and human opponent makes elf in weaker position against human in average games, cause many strats are bad ones (gogo bear tech).

btw, biggest buffs in 1.17 were for NE. nerfing human breakers against elf significantly (although it was pretty cool to beat elf casters totally with 5 breakers:)), nerfing nuke abilities also (whos having heroes in nuke range?), buffing hero soloing (whos going it?). elf was pretty strong in previous patch, and pretty matchable, now when they got buffs on strats they go in most of the games they are certainly having some more advantages than they had in previous patch.
and they have taken the place UD had with those bugs before.

which players on ladder? watch how races are comparable, human in 95% of cases goes same 2 maps to choose on tournament , or same one if its not final. other races switch on more maps. + 2rivers is still ladder map. LOL tey could've placed even "hills of glory" maybe on ladder too.

honestly, most stupid thing in new patch was nerfing repair ability. maybe they didnt intend it, but they also nerfed human fast exp (caused it costing more money), cause u use repair ability for it:mad: and yes, they've told its because of orc towering...... when u re towered out, u are already having a hard time anyway, that changed almost nothing, just dont let to be towered. good thing was not refunding same money if oyur building was canceled when it has taken 200 damage and when it took no damage, it was pure abuse for towering....

[Terrorboy]

one thing. if he builds beastmaster against UD as second, it means gg in most of games. u need some hero to make UD fear. and that is MK certainly. Hey I say use BM vs orc not UD.....he is good man from 1 st level-fast tank hero with mass summons with brillance aura. MK is slow and good from 3 level IMO. With BM u can finish game faster. Vs UD I use FL sometimes....if he goes CL+fiends then counter with AM+FL+defended foots is great.

[Gray_Scull]

Human r great race! U cant rush them easy if they have lot of peasants. I make about 12-13 peasants. Heroes r good paladin,MK,archmage u choose. i dont like footmans i prefer rifle,but foot and gryphons rules.Knights,mortars,priest,sorceress,breakers all great units and casters. Tech with human and u will rule! And also try tower rush:-)

[sakky]

mK is simply better in general. there maybe are soem situations when BM is useful. but i mostly DONT attack orc until i get what i want. then i simply play normal.
main mistake is that human playesr go attack orc in the moment the still have no complete army (which is massed rifles and casters, priests obligatory ofc) and MK with level. what i like to see is orc rushing cause there goes the part with outsmarting. orc is in advantage and can only win game totally, cant lose unless BIG MISTAKE.

in such strat, i dont need beastmaster. i need my MK.
to balance "chainwave and run" dumb**** strategy.

and yes, firelord is good for ranged strats, thats for sure. especially for his passive ability.

[Who_Am_I]

Well there weren't any buffs to elf. 2 heroes already own 1 hero and elfs go 1 hero only when they are forced to. Example non-tavern maps. The problems is that players like moon make elf imba. How? They make better strats and new ways of winning. I can remember not long ago when hu vs elf was totaly owned by humans. And almost nothing big changed in balance. Deal with it. You can't play same old MK+AM+rifle+caster strat all the time withoud any variations at all and expect enemy won't get a counter to your strat. Everybody was saying NE>>ORC but look how zacard wins elfs, with new strat BM+half tech.It isn't really new but gosus never use it and zacard lifted that strat to new heighs. I'm not saying HU is imba or ORC is imba or elf is underpowered or smt like that. All i say is try to do something new and you may discover a new good strat. Then again you will say NE can do lot of different strats thanks to moon wells. I'll just say to you watch VODs from WEG and see there is no strat that is imposible. If you wanna ultimate rapes watch moon vods :) The guy won MBC Prime League V with 13-0 score withoud lossing a map. The opponents he faced are:grubby,susiria,rex.romeo,sk.may and few others that i can't remember. And he is currently 6-0 in WEG :)

[sakky]

buffs: bigger mana burn range (350 instead of 300). debuff of spellbrakers (shorter cast range), breakers cant steal cyclone.
slow goes 1 sec which isnt some debuff to be honest, its about same even if its 0 sec.... but more important is rifle nerf.

general: nukes got nerf, expo got nerf, towering got nerf, XP soloing got buff.

i dont find elf as such big problem as orc, elf is problem if i meet good controling oponent. totally different than orc rusher noobs who know a **** and just make game lasting 20 minutes to win such noob, or evne lose soem games against player who are pretty idiotc micoring-> just speed scrol and lithnging shiel and letting their units do their juob, jsut shoothing their spells.

[Terrorboy]

Guys 1.18 is coming- panda is nerf, BM is nerf, FL is nerf---->NE is nerf;) BTW I am not happy they nerf BM and FL, becoz I like use them, but nerfing panda is OK:cool:

[sakky]

panda nerf was affecting UD vs NE, other races not that much.
beastmaster was intended to be nerfed in previous patches also, and they simply forgot to do it someho,w although they agreed he's gonna be nerfed.
firelord was having cool passive spell. and he was best hero in team games. he wasnt that good in solo, but i liked him in turtle rock map (cause its simply balanced for him:)). anyway, i used AM+MK conmbo in almost every game i played.

i m gonna continue same combo anyway. unless i switch to new race, probably UD. i like to shoot UD nukes:) especially when friend gives me unit share:)

and yes, main change in solo is twisted meadows rebalance. boy, i only wait when will they get marketplace instead of tavern again:D so u come there and just maybe get yourself lucky for getting BOTD to buy:D:D:D imba book:D

[TheDarkWarlock]

Originally posted by CountSpellJack1
Tell me plz. what can human do for orc? Far seer`s lighting + turen cheiftain`s schokwave = no priest ,no sorcess.... grunts hp 700+100 footmen not enough rifle low hp. so human isnt imba. look ladders in northend vs.. there isnt so much human player in top50


--orc>elf>ud>human----

the top ladder mean nothing in your/owr levels
as its looking by your words- orc r realy imba
but the best solusion for u is to PLAY BETTER
i mean- better army more micro
caster r good vs orc, and if ull play good with your army ulll see- instead-
grunts slow, grunts dead, their heroes dead by your mk and the few damage u got was healed by your priest
this is all defeand on U (and ur opponent of c )

[Demonhide_PT]

how to win orx with humans
ingredients:
- MICRO!!!!
-lotsa units (try using fl+am+bm or smt like that, but beware shamans)
-More money! (get as much mines u can!)
-Defence ( build 1 arcane and later 1-2 guard tower)
-Casters ( they are essencial, cuz they can slow orcs, and heal yourself)
-Gryphons (if he didnt make bestiary, but try to attack him on surprise, put your gryphon aviaries on a place he wouldnt look^^^and dont show them your gryphs until you have 4-5)

then attack & gg

[ViviIsNotNoob]

NoobyHeroKilling we can do only i think...
or mass summon but what if map is not allowed tavern ?
then just push attack button at hero :)

Look Replay:

[True2theCode]

the post was started coz the guy wanted to know how to fight against orc not to learn how some1 def somebody else......and about ur problem vs orc....rush him he will expect that.

[TheDarkWarlock]

ok --- do this
2 arcanes for mass magic
if u have good micro (u must have if u try this tactic) no orc can resist u!
(lev 37 solo on b.net tald me so too)

[Terrorboy]

Yes, but if he has 4 or more demolishers he can beat you.....I ussualy play these strategy or mass summons. I think best strat are full upgrade gryphons (armor, attack, animal war, hammers, inner fire and scroll protection)+staff of sanctuary. Very hard to beat for orc, but it's very expensive and comes very late:D Can you survive so long....:confused:

[Yc3]

QUIT :p

[PrisonerOfLies]

Originally posted by Yc3
QUIT :p

Yea that is the best one :D

[Sky][RunneR-]

Originally posted by PrisonerOfLies
Yea that is the best one :D

well i dont agree....
humans have mighty casters and that can save there ass including the gryphons too....

[Terrorboy]

And humans have MK, MK is imba as everyone knows:D I think as longer game then human chances are bigger. BTW there are so many orcs players on xpam that I dont have big problems playing vs them.....I have problem vs NE becoz noone use it here and I dont have practise:(

[Sky][RunneR-]

:eek: :eek: but humans rox vs elf.... especialy the towerrush that humans can do vs elf :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

btw. the most idiotic thing in humans is if u have MK lvl 5 including Paladin lvl 3 at least! ouch!! :o :o

[Terrorboy]

but humans rox vs elf.... especialy the towerrush that humans can do vs elf I know......but vs GOOD NE is hard to TR them, also on tavern maps with FT to mass AOL units I have problem sometimes:( (as I said I need more practise:D )

[Sky][RunneR-]

well as farr as i know 4K.ToD is one of the @Northrend Gosus who is always TowerRushing vs elf, but as u said cant work vs good elf - PhoeNiX-Remind (for example)

[YounG_OutlaW]

as u can see when grubby, ghostridah, zacard, etc., plays human cant do anything...

[_KlIP]

Originally posted by CountSpellJack1
Tell me plz. what can human do for orc? Far seer`s lighting + turen cheiftain`s schokwave = no priest ,no sorcess.... grunts hp 700+100 footmen not enough rifle low hp. so human isnt imba. look ladders in northend vs.. there isnt so much human player in top50


--orc>elf>ud>human----
u have right ,there are 11 player in northrends TOP50 ladder... but pls....watch some replays of oakley,or Sk.Insomnia...and u will learn :))

[_KlIP]

Originally posted by CountSpellJack1
Tell me plz. what can human do for orc? Far seer`s lighting + turen cheiftain`s schokwave = no priest ,no sorcess.... grunts hp 700+100 footmen not enough rifle low hp. so human isnt imba. look ladders in northend vs.. there isnt so much human player in top50


--orc>elf>ud>human----
u have right ,there are 11 player in northrends TOP50 ladder... but pls....watch some replays of oakley,or Sk.Insomnia...and u will learn :)) or better think WATCH the replay of SPO.GHOST the MK guy ^^

[Demonhide_PT]

Originally posted by _KlIP
....watch some replays of oakley,or Sk.Insomnia...and u will learn :)) ...

oakley=sk.insomnia...:rolleyes:

[True2theCode]

insomnia is the best bulgarian player and one of the best 3 players in europe....and hmmm sky 4k.tod(aka Frogetaboutdre) AINT A EUROPEAN PLAYER did u know that ?!?

[True2theCode]

really sorry my mistake
he is northrend player
sorry and sorry again

[TheFuckingScorp]

but what is he? :D

he's from france, btw...

[True2theCode]

the stupid matha****a wrote the song name wrong, he wrote it Forgotaboutdre and the songs name is ForgetAboutDre thats why i couldnt find his acc in ladder and i thought he aint north player

[TheFuckingScorp]

he's not mozofuka... he wrote the name corectly... the song is forgOt about dre (u are not informed corectly, pls read more books about this issue:D)
nowadays everybody wanna talk, like they have something to say, but nothing comes up when they move their lips... just a bunch of gibberish, and mozofukaz act like they forgOt about Dre

;)

[Gaizk]

Pretty much what i do is this

i get beastmaster as first hero , then pala

Then i get lots of towers , like 4 and fast exp and get towers , like 1 arcane and 2 3 arrows , they DO HELP , then i exp twice and tech to knights and gryphs , of cours ei hide those bases , that works EXELENT , once i got ambushed by bat riders , what i did was i splited my stuff and healed light - microed my gryphs

[True2theCode]

OMFG i listen that song since it premiere on MTV and i havent noticed the name is forgotaboutdre omfg now i am gonna shoot my self for being unloyal to the hip-hop God forgive me( i mean 2pac forgive me )

[YounG_OutlaW]

HU can do mass sorcc., try with that. I even dont play with them, but try it.

[Just-Me-Speedy]

Originally posted by YounG_OutlaW
HU can do mass sorcc., try with that. I even dont play with them, but try it.
orc can mass wyvs too :D

[Just-Me-Speedy]

Originally posted by True2theCode
the stupid matha****a wrote the song name wrong, he wrote it Forgotaboutdre and the songs name is ForgetAboutDre thats why i couldnt find his acc in ladder and i thought he aint north player

the name of the song is Forgot about dre...
btw, that player is not a stupid ..he`s just 4k.tod ..he best human player ;/

[Just-Me-Speedy]

the song is like :
nowadays everybody wanna talk like they got something to say but nothing comes out when they move their lips just a bunch of gibberish and mother ****ers act like they forgot about dre

u cant say "and mother ****ers act like they forget about dre" ...

[Just-Me-Speedy]

Originally posted by _KlIP
u have right ,there are 11 player in northrends TOP50 ladder... but pls....watch some replays of oakley,or Sk.Insomnia...and u will learn :))
lol oakley is sk.insomnia TT..

[True2theCode]

first of all i already said i am sorry that i mistaken !!!!! second: why the **** are u posting 4 posts in a role?!? 3rd how do u know that he aint stupid ? maybe he is retarded u cant know before u meet him! 4th man i know 100 times more about hip-hop than u do so dont pretent to be a nigga-killa-G or whatever

[True2theCode]

man ill ready said sorry about mistakening the name. I dont give a **** who is Tod. I know the whole song but i never paid attention to the name(dunno why). about what clip said... he wanted to say that oakley is insomnia.

[True2theCode]

wtf i thought the first post was not send... **** THIS **** GOD DAMN IT
i wrote the first post but i thought it couldnt be send, then i wrote the next post and now i am writing third coz i am kinda drunk and i dont know what i was talkning about...

[Sky][RunneR-]

lol when i was reading since my last post here ..... i was laughing....

tt. true2thecode i prefeer u to think better before u reply here....! (dont meen to offend u or smth like that) :o :o

[RazorBlade]

i think sky is the best human :)
yeah koreans are the gosuest players:D
human vs orc. . .like sky does 5-6-7 footmen am beast master 2 waters 2 quilbeasts and about 10-12 casters
thats pretty good the whole orc army will have slow. . . .and about 10 units (foot + summons) make good damage to raiders/grunts

[Sky][RunneR-]

i prefeer SK.TaKe he is one of my fav. Hum players especialy when he's playing vs orc.

[Arie-]

didnt read the thread, but if u didnt know, forgotaboutdre is 4K.ToD's account :cool:

[Terrorboy]

I prefer Insomnia and Tod.....they damn good guys:D

[RazorBlade]

im wondering :confused:
arent there replays between best human players. . .(tod take sky insomnia. . )?

if u know where i can find some of theese replays then post link pls :)

[4N-Nooby]

Try to don`t fight Vs Orc too much on the start and make few towers in ur base!!!! Anyway u must use casters Vs Orc but buy Scroll of healing and Protection if u want to beat good Orc !!!!