Russian war vs Georgia

[Dejan Roskovksi]

Georgia attacked South Ossetia and Russia attacked Georgia.
Is this the start od WW3?
I think this is going out of control. Post your opinions.

[klemen]

It could be start of ww3. I mean, America and Russia dissagree about that anty-rocket shield in Poland, Russia said they will use force to prevent the project to happen.

And now this.. if America helps georgia (or europe), they will fight against russia. And that is a problem... other forces should stay out of fight for now.

[R4zieI]

Hmmm, Russia already helped a self-proclaimed country, that isn't acknowledged as a country by any countries in the world except for Russia. IMHO Georgia getting help from another country wouldn't start WW3, maybe a second cold war, but certainly not WW3

[Dejan Roskovksi]

Hmm I think America helps Georgia because if georgians were by them selfs they wouldn't
destroy 10 russian airplanes or more and the nearby countryes are not so strong to do it to
and as i heard on the news there is american base in georgia

[Xfire]

Just don't nuke, please ( Russia ).

[Register_abuser]

no ,they will give you a trigger so you'll detonate .....omfg mind-nuked-kidz

[VamoS_GringO]

Attention seekers are worse,imo.Bye
@topic i am scared of those Russians,they're crazy we-dont-give-a-****-about-anything/anyone mother****ers!

[Xfire]

no ,they will give you a trigger so you'll detonate .....omfg mind-nuked-kidz

You'll see that when you'll face reality, 'kid'.

[fatman69]

hm, doesn't seem like a start of a new war just yet, but it might grow into something bigger eventually. turmoils with russia and other ex-SSSR countris are nothing new so this doesn't quite surprise me. although there is a difference between anti-terrorist actions in Chechenia and launching a full-scale war in georgia. hopefully no nuclear armament will be launched, that would be the start of a WW3.

otherwise, the most probable outcome would be 2-3 months of war followed by truce and severe reprimand from Nato to Russia, which means nothing actually, myb another increase in Oil price, since a significant oil-line passes through Georgia, another few hundred thousands of refugees, myb 10 thousand dead people... in short, another example how "big boys" can still *****slap some weaker countries without any real retaliation, another example how UN is actually too slow to react properly in case of a threat of any kind, and another bricke in the silent war between the West (USA, NATO...) and the East (Russia 'n' Allies).

[Tooomy]

there won't be ww3 :)

[KeweLi]

I was waiting for someone to created this thread. :)

Personally, I support the Russians here and you are right- America should stay the heck out of this battle. The two breakaway regions are similar to many other places we have seen before (needless to say where), and as of what always happens, I think Georgia need to release Abkhazia and South Ossetia for their own sake.

[Register_abuser]

You'll see that when you'll face reality, 'kid'.

i don't und. it's true .I live in hallucinations ,but for you goes : watch your back ,and dont PM some other moderator while your ass is owned by nuke-noob....

It could be start of ww3. I mean, America and Russia dissagree about that anty-rocket shield in Poland, Russia said they will use force to prevent the project to happen.

And now this.. if America helps georgia (or europe), they will fight against russia. And that is a problem... other forces should stay out of fight for now.

ye,ye they will shield your house instead of Poland.
Do you know that you Slovenians are one piece of pilesh.it ,only good thing at your place are attractive girls....

[fatman69]

I was waiting for someone to created this thread. :)

Personally, I support the Russians here and you are right- America should stay the heck out of this battle. The two breakaway regions are similar to many other places we have seen before (needless to say where), and as of what always happens, I think Georgia need to release Abkhazia and South Ossetia for their own sake.

y but the situation in that region (whose name we won't mention for sake of staying on-topic :) ) was a bit different, it was more similar to another place in vicinity of the above mentioned place, myb few hundred km to WNW (west-northwest) whose name we also won't mention as it was mentioned for too many times in the past few weeks...

my opinion is that some1 should react, and USA and NATO will react since they have great interests from this region, to be more precise, the oil coming from the Caspian Sea, the pipeline goes straight through Georgia, and Russians just want to block the flow of gas to Europe. actually not to block it but to let it flow under their jurisdiction and their rules and prices.

its also similar to Afghanistan, although Russians didn't have some terrorist gangs to pass off as their "target", they just attacked without any explanations. and again, the biggest victims will be civilians who'll prolly take the most bombings. and hopefully only victim of this thread would be our smart-mouth register_abuser for his "nice" choice of words

[kranz]

my opinion is that some1 should react, and USA and NATO will react since they have great interests from this region,

fully agree but I doubt Bush or UN would risk. Sending forces is impossible. They will mass papers called documents and talk, talk, talk.By this time we will have second Chechenya there with hundreds of Georgians crushed with
T-72. Russia is still imperialstic country ruled by neo-communists who claim that Georgians have already commited war crimes etc.

[Silver.]

Hope this war between Rusia and Georgia won't go so far.It may be a WW3 if more nations attend to help.I heard on TV that USA won't give help because they need the russians in Iran.It's weird and complicated and it sux.Georgia only has diamond mines and oil platforms.What will come out of this war we will see.Hope it won't get any worse than it is.

[Dejan Roskovksi]

Omg now georgia attacked.
They bombarded russians in south ossetia.
Btw Medvedev has a lot of courage.

[fatman69]

Silver;823300']Hope this war between Rusia and Georgia won't go so far.It may be a WW3 if more nations attend to help.I heard on TV that USA won't give help because they need the russians in Iran.It's weird and complicated and it sux.Georgia only has diamond mines and oil platforms.What will come out of this war we will see.Hope it won't get any worse than it is.

again don't forget that the oil pipeline from Caspian Sea (which is one of the Russia's biggest oil sources) is going through Georgia, so this is kinda war for strategic position. by splitting the country in 2 and then helping one side (S.Osettia in this case) they mean to establish good neighbout relations which will be later cashed for approval of pipeline under Russian control, something to which Georgia might not comply.

[rza]

Its so funny how we live freely, i personaly dont give a ****.

Totaly diffrent then war between USA and Iraq, where all world was like "WTF OMG".
I guess press isnt doing its job well enough.

[Xfire]

If Russia puts its hand on Georgia, they can do so with any other country nearby, like they did in Transnistria and so. Only ones who Russians are afraid of are Ukrainians, who already threated Russians that they'll block their Black Sea entrance with ships and also launch a nuke.

The reason of Russians is simple: they wanna put their hand on the oil pipeline from Caspic Sea that goes through Georgia and until Turkey. With Georgians having that pipeline, they could overcome some of Russians' oil selling.

Damn, I hope someone will intervene here, else gets ****ed up. But I don't think it'll be USA, since the Russian president is pro-USA.

I won't even write what ****s Russia did to Romania, how much they stole from us, how much they wanna put their hand on us, to pass Transnistria and Moldova, I just ****ing hate them from the bottom of my heart, now and forever, 2 faced scums, and they're proving this day by day via their actions.

[rza]

I tought this is non-nationalist forum?!

Funny how some "standard" user would get infractioned or even bannned for "2 faced scums".

The irony.

[Xfire]

Is a big difference between a nationalism and a fact, a seen truth. Whole world can see that, why shouldn't I say what's my opinion about them as long as it is true and written in history books?

Maybe I wouldn't call them scums if any russian would be an active member of this forum, posting around, or even checking this thread. But, as long as there isn't one, I can afford to say that at least once.

[pecony_92]

If Russia puts its hand on Georgia, they can do so with any other country nearby, like they did in Transnistria and so. Only ones who Russians are afraid of are Ukrainians, who already threated Russians that they'll block their Black Sea entrance with ships and also launch a nuke.

The reason of Russians is simple: they wanna put their hand on the oil pipeline from Caspic Sea that goes through Georgia and until Turkey. With Georgians having that pipeline, they could overcome some of Russians' oil selling.

Damn, I hope someone will intervene here, else gets ****ed up. But I don't think it'll be USA, since the Russian president is pro-USA.

I won't even write what ****s Russia did to Romania, how much they stole from us, how much they wanna put their hand on us, to pass Transnistria and Moldova, I just ****ing hate them from the bottom of my heart, now and forever, 2 faced scums, and they're proving this day by day via their actions.
beliave me Russians arent afraid of anyone they can do the same like they did with Georgia (pointing on Ukraine)
as some politicions say its Russia's answer for Kosovo (almost same scenario).
noone can intervene there.

[rza]

It doesnt matter if they r not afraid or if they are.
If theres going to be a global war, they can be spartans but the facts are that USA and other "allies" are just overpowered in every aspect of warfare.

2 bad that war would cost a lot of civilian lifes, but u know what they say "Everything for democracy".

[Bonzy]

Xfire , you really better edit that , it is far from mod's ways to spread hate towards other nations , really , no matter if there is no Russian around.

And about the topic , it's such a joke to think this will turn out to be ww3 in my opinion , the thing that I see to be the most realistic is that Russia behaves somehow like UN did with Kosovo , of course for the sake of interests... the situation will be easier in few days or weeks , I suppose...

[KeweLi]

Russia are just doing what the Americans would do so it is stupid of Bush to go on and on about some sort of "dramatic and brutal escalation".

The Georgian government is not really the "good side" as it may seem like to many people. They attacked during the Beijing Olympics opening ceremony when Putin was in China. lol
And it is clear they are just trying to draw in the help of America but since the Russians do not fear them, Georgia are most likely to suffer substantially like I said before.

And since peacony_92 decided to mention some other countries, I might as well post this article (it was written 4 months ago):
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/abkhazia-the-country-that-doesnt-exist-prepares-to-follow-kosovos-example-799033.html

[fatman69]

hm there is a bit of a difference between Kosovo and these regions. i mean the thing they have in common, is that a part of country is trying to depart on account of a minority (which would would in Kosovo's case be Albanians, or Kosovars, or whatever those people want to call themselves) that is in that region actually something more than a minority, i mean, making up for more than 50% of the population of that region. this kind of aspirations for splitting the country are not just tied to ex-communist countries. you have cases in Italy (North wanting to split from the rest due to very big differences in standard and money earning) and Belgium (Valonia and Flamania) and most of them are illegitimate. a part of a country cannot be taken out just on account that "people want so". after all the funds that state invests in the regions, it is unfair to expect for them to let it go just like that.

now you will all ask, what about Kosovo? well the key difference between Kosovo and other examples, is that the life for that "minority" that was actually a majority on Kosovo (Albanians) was practically unbearable. you've all heard stories of oppression during Milosevic's tirany, even in the years before him. and you just can't take so many things out of regions (Kosovo has an abundance of mineral sources as i see it) without giving smth in return, and that's what happened to Kosovo. and all that neglection and oppression burst into few riots which lead to Serbian counter-attack which then again lead to their segregation.

and to get back on topic, the reason why South Ossettia (and Abhazia for that matter) is different is because ppl there lead lives at the same standard as the people in the rest of the country of Georgia, more or less that is. their only reason for separation would be just cuz majority of ppl in that region wants that, which is definetly not enough (again see the examples from the rest of EU), and which makes their new attempts of departing from rest of Georgia illegitimate.

and the way i see it, Georgia attacked South Ossetian forces, they didn't attack the Russians, but Russians saw a possibility to expand their territory of influence to Georgia through the old Roman tactic "divide and conquer", they support S.O. now but they will charge their support in upcoming years through pipelines from Caspian Sea.

and if you want a true example like this from Balkan, take the infamous example of Krajina (which was discussed too many times in past few weeks). same deal, majority on a piece of land (Serbs in this example), that tried to detach a piece of land from other country just on account that "they want to", cuz as i see it, before the war '91-'95, Serbs on that area had a standard of life equal to Croats on that area, and any other ethnic group for that matter. so the whole "being a majority on a part of land" and taking that as a key motive to detach and get independence is not enough, it just doesn't work that way...

[Xfire]

Ex-pipelines..

Russians have bombarded the oil pipeline from Caspian Sea today, so they can drown Georgia from the economical point of view.

[Error.]

I dont think that Russia will throw any nuclear, they are so near each other... USA wont do anything bcz Russia with start the cold war vs them... Georgia will get back and the end....

[KeweLi]

It's over already, for now...

SIX POINT PEACE PLAN
-No more use of force
-Stop all military actions for good
-Free access to humanitarian aid
-Georgian troops return to their places of permanent deployment
-Russian troops return to pre-conflict positions
-International talks about future status of South Ossetia and Abkhazia

[klemen]

Thanks God.

[VengefulSpammer]

beliave me Russians arent afraid of anyone they can do the same like they did with Georgia (pointing on Ukraine)
as some politicions say its Russia's answer for Kosovo (almost same scenario).
noone can intervene there.

dont mess with kosovo when 10 000 000 000 shiptars with their 10 000 000 000 000 kids attack you you will be sorry that you said that

[KeweLi]

Let's not get carried away talking about Kosovo now...


There are reports of looting in the Georgian town of Gori, where Russian tanks are out on the streets despite a truce.

One witness told the BBC he saw a convoy of Russian vehicles on the road to the Georgian capital Tbilisi.

People leaving the town say there is looting going on involving South Ossetian separatists.

Another BBC reporter in the South Ossetian capital, Tskhinvali, says many buildings have been totally destroyed.

A ceasefire is in place, but it seems to be very fragile, correspondents say.

In Gori, the Russian tanks seem to be dismantling and destroying Georgian army bases in the town, our correspondent says.

It is not clear where the Russian convoy on the Tibilisi road is heading.

[fatman69]

y i agree but since it was brought up i thought it would be good to clarify some differences.

[KeweLi]

Wow this is actually not over.


President George W Bush has said the US will use military aircraft and naval forces to deliver aid to Georgia following its conflict with Russia.

Speaking in Washington, he expressed concern about reports of continuing Russian action in Georgia, and urged Russia to respect a ceasefire accord.

Mr Bush hinted that Russia could be jeopardising its international ties.

The first US C-17 military aircraft has landed in Tbilisi carrying medical and other supplies.

The Kremlin said the US must choose between partnership with Moscow, or with the Georgian leadership.

"At some time it will be necessary to choose between supporting this virtual project and [a] real partnership on questions which actually require collective action," said Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov.

The BBC's Caroline Wyatt, in Moscow, says the Kremlin's reaction suggests they have been bitterly stung by Mr Bush's comments.

But she says Mr Lavrov spoke in the knowledge that the US is unlikely to back up its verbal support for Georgia with any more concrete action.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELkYDI4Wn_s

[VamoS_GringO]

Wow this is actually not over.

We kinda knew it :)
Wars dont end so fast and painless like that ^^ (in most cases)

[2q4u]

and to get back on topic, the reason why South Ossettia (and Abhazia for that matter) is different is because ppl there lead lives at the same standard as the people in the rest of the country of Georgia, more or less that is. their only reason for separation would be just cuz majority of ppl in that region wants that, which is definetly not enough (again see the examples from the rest of EU), and which makes their new attempts of departing from rest of Georgia illegitimate.
No,South Ossettia's citizens are NOT Georgian's origin they are connected to Russians by my understanding ,they are even using rubbels as their currency


and the way i see it, Georgia attacked South Ossetian forces, they didn't attack the Russians, but Russians saw a possibility to expand their territory of influence to Georgia through the old Roman tactic "divide and conquer", they support S.O. now but they will charge their support in upcoming years through pipelines from Caspian Sea.
They attacked Russia's peace keeping forces.

I won't even write what ****s Russia did to Romania, how much they stole from us, how much they wanna put their hand on us, to pass Transnistria and Moldova, I just ****ing hate them from the bottom of my heart, now and forever, 2 faced scums, and they're proving this day by day via their actions.
What is this bull****?Isn't every nation on this world 2 faced?Isn't USA 2 faced for saying one thing and doing another?Isn't China 2 faced for calling themselves communists when they are not?We all know that communism as a ''way of living'' is a fail and isn't sustainable ...and i can go on like this forever and simply because every country has one thing called ''THEIR OWN INTERESTS'' If ur country's interests match the ones of the leading super power you will be fine if not you will will be screwed ,nations have been using this model for ages,not that there is something like Russians love Serbians or USA favores Albania and Georgia because they 'like' them there never was such thing and there never will be.
And don't generalize things touchy as this like 'i hate all russians' many Serbs could say same for Albanians but what for?Would you leave your girlfriend or your best friend because she/he is a Russian?Would i go kill my neighbour which i know for many years just because i recently found out he is Albanian?I don't think so...
Sorry for going this far but hating nation as a 'whole' because of what few stupids did is just lame,wrong and makes no sence.

[fatman69]

No,South Ossettia's citizens are NOT Georgian's origin they are connected to Russians by my understanding ,they are even using rubbels as their currency



i didn't say they are of the same origin or ethnic group like Georgia. i said that ethnic differences alone are not reason good enough for separation.

[KeweLi]

Did you read about further progress in the Poland defence system thing?

[fatman69]

yea, i did. same as always, everyone wants protection,but when it comes to stick their ass to do smth for that protection, not every1 is so quick. i don't see anything negative about placing the anti-balistic shield, it has to be placed somewhere, and the threat from balistic attacks is very realistic..

[FreshMobster]

Had some laugh from this:
http://users.skynet.be/fa018426/Georgia.jpg

[KeweLi]

Had some laugh from this:
http://users.skynet.be/fa018426/Georgia.jpg

Haha, that is priceless.



@fatman: But America are the ones who will be in control of that whole defence system. I don't see America setting one up in Asia or Russia setting one up in North America. >.<

[fatman69]

Haha, that is priceless.



@fatman: But America are the ones who will be in control of that whole defence system. I don't see America setting one up in Asia or Russia setting one up in North America. >.<

It's NATO not USA missile shield. those are 2 different things, although they often act as 1. this shield is build to protect EU (European Union, not Europe), from missile attacks that may come from:
1. Russia, even though there is no open hostilities, i doubt that any1 trusts Russian completely.
2. Asia- well it's a bit wide term, Middle East is the first hot spot for missile attacks, Pakistan is quite an unstable country, so is North Korea, and God know what armament militants all over India, and SE Asia posess.

and even if it were USA missile shield there would still be no sense in placing that shield in Asia. it should be made like a barrier or a wall surrounding the are so that missiles can't get through any corridor, without being taken down by the Anti-missile rockets (or anti-missile missile, whatever u wanna call it). so to place it in Asia, first you'd have to have a trustworthy ally, which USA has none in Asia, and secondly you'd have to be an utter retard since it would be taken out this way or that in case of any missile war, and thirdly it would be bloody useless since any rocket could easily avoid it no matter where u place it since it is too far from USA...


and yes, there is an anti-missile shield in USA...

[EDIT]

oh yeah, and that e-mail's bloody hilarious

[LoveHurts]

Hi all . I missed the news today . Anything new happened? is the war still going on? Is USA involved or not after all?

[StillTesting]

I was waiting for someone to created this thread. :)

Personally, I support the Russians here and you are right- America should stay the heck out of this battle. The two breakaway regions are similar to many other places we have seen before (needless to say where), and as of what always happens, I think Georgia need to release Abkhazia and South Ossetia for their own sake.

And Russia needs to realease Chechenia.
And to recognize Kosovo as indenpendent state.
Before you start flaming about kosovo and etc, I am just be realistic. Russia is doing two different things at same time, which are opposite. On one side they attack Georgia inside their country borders which almost everyone accepted as their's and in the other hand not let Chechenia be indenpendent, and not recognize Kosovo.
I am not saying that they should or they should not recognize Kosovo, but if they want do that 1 thing, they must face with other one. So once more to be clear I am not saying that I would like or won't like that Russia accept Kosovo as ind. coun.

[KeweLi]

Before you start flaming about kosovo and etc
I am pretty sure you don't know what flaming is...

, I am just be realistic. Russia is doing two different things at same time, which are opposite. On one side they attack Georgia inside their country borders
Did you know that most of the people in South Ossetia are Russian citizens holding Russian passports? I think you believe your news channel too much...

which almost everyone accepted as their's
How bout the actual residents there? There was actually a vote in 2006 monitored by 34 members in the west and the turnout rate was that 95% voted for South Ossetia becoming independent.

and in the other hand not let Chechenia be indenpendent, and not recognize Kosovo. I am not saying that they should or they should not recognize Kosovo, but if they want do that 1 thing, they must face with other one.
Doesn't America do the same? Support Kosovo but not South Ossetia in becoming independent? They do it for their own interest and you know fair well politics is not about doing what's right all the time.

[StillTesting]

I am pretty sure you don't know what flaming is...


Did you know that most of the people in South Ossetia are Russian citizens holding Russian passports? I think you believe your news channel too much...


How bout the actual residents there? There was actually a vote in 2006 monitored by 34 members in the west and the turnout rate was that 95% voted for South Ossetia becoming independent.


Doesn't America do the same? Support Kosovo but not South Ossetia in becoming independent? They do it for their own interest and you know fair well politics is not about doing what's right all the time.

1. I didn't said that you would flame, try to read whole text more times if once isn't enough...jeesus
2.I know that most of S. Ossetians are Russian citizens. And? Did I said that they shouldn't be recognized?
3.And please don't tell me that you though I support Americans over Russians ? Major countries like those two will try to participate any global or local event happening in which they could have interests. I don't prefer any of those two, but still you didn't get point if you mention that america do the same. They did and do much worse things, however that doesn't give Russians right to do similar...

[fatman69]

Did you know that most of the people in South Ossetia are Russian citizens holding Russian passports? I think you believe your news channel too much...


How bout the actual residents there? There was actually a vote in 2006 monitored by 34 members in the west and the turnout rate was that 95% voted for South Ossetia becoming independent.



Keweli, demographic structure alone is not a reason valid enough for independence, borders are determined by international laws, and you just can't abbandon one piece of land after you have been sucking it for the past 20 years, which is exactly what S.Ossetia is doing.

when SSSR split, they decided to go along as a part of Georgia, now they see they might have better chances with Russians, so now they flip sides. they are not being opressed, neither neglected, they just want to place their arses into nicer coushins,it can't go like that. by that logic, a lot of cities in France would become part of Algeria or some other Arabic country, just because they are inhabbited mostly by Arabs.

there are a lot of examples throughout the world wherre immigrants are a majority but it doesn't give them right to claim authonomy. as i said before, Russia supports independence of Abhazia and South Ossettia just cuz of their "divide and conquer" strategy, they will soon abuse those regions as a payment for their "support in struggle for freedom"...

[OMGBergrush]

this russian victory is good news indeed. the cold war seems to be getting hot and a new major war is likely to happen soon if things proceed with this pace. this is good because war settles problems much faster than diplomacy sure some people die but on the bright side we get more technology and the earth is overpopulated anyway

[KeweLi]

1. I didn't said that you would flame, try to read whole text more times if once isn't enough...jeesus
Then why would you bring it up when no one even flamed here? (not mentioning how you quoted me on it)

2.I know that most of S. Ossetians are Russian citizens. And? Did I said that they shouldn't be recognized?
3.And please don't tell me that you though I support Americans over Russians ? Major countries like those two will try to participate any global or local event happening in which they could have interests. I don't prefer any of those two, but still you didn't get point if you mention that america do the same. They did and do much worse things, however that doesn't give Russians right to do similar...
Then the concept is simple if you haven't noticed. All powerful countries do what is in their best interest whether you like it or not. Things like this have always happened and will always happen as long as Earth is present.



Keweli, demographic structure alone is not a reason valid enough for independence, borders are determined by international laws, and you just can't abbandon one piece of land after you have been sucking it for the past 20 years, which is exactly what S.Ossetia is doing.

when SSSR split, they decided to go along as a part of Georgia, now they see they might have better chances with Russians, so now they flip sides. they are not being opressed, neither neglected, they just want to place their arses into nicer coushins,it can't go like that. by that logic, a lot of cities in France would become part of Algeria or some other Arabic country, just because they are inhabbited mostly by Arabs.

there are a lot of examples throughout the world wherre immigrants are a majority but it doesn't give them right to claim authonomy. as i said before, Russia supports independence of Abhazia and South Ossettia just cuz of their "divide and conquer" strategy, they will soon abuse those regions as a payment for their "support in struggle for freedom"...

Though I tend to agree with you in how demography is not enough, I think it can still go either ways. Think of how America gained independence from Britain (though King George III was a bit crazy) and think of how India gained independence. Yes the Indians were treated really harshly and perhaps did deserve independence but America was funded/established well. Although they don't border with Britain, America just removed itself with the help of France.

[StillTesting]

@Keweli
I said about flames because there are lot of Serbians on forum and I don't want now they start flame about recognizing Kosovo, because that isn't topic and I don't want to spam about it either...

Yes I know that other thing too, topics like this will not change anything, major countries will try to stay major keeping their interests and slowing down any country they can. And sorry but I must mention Kosovo and Georgia again... You think US administration really care about Georgians? I know you don't think so as me neither think. Or do Russian one care about Serbs? Everyone just looking for their own interests, as you said simple as that. And to not get me wrong everyone looking it's own interests. When you hear that for example some hundreds of ppl died now in Georgia, you will say Oh gosh, and forget it for 10 seconds, because it doesn't influence you much. It is in human nature, simple as that.

[fatman69]

Though I tend to agree with you in how demography is not enough, I think it can still go either ways. Think of how America gained independence from Britain (though King George III was a bit crazy) and think of how India gained independence. Yes the Indians were treated really harshly and perhaps did deserve independence but America was funded/established well. Although they don't border with Britain, America just removed itself with the help of France.

there is a difference between India and Georgia, India was a colony of British empire, and today's democracy should be against colonialism,which brings us to the paradoxal example of Gibralta but it should be discussed elsewhere. as i said, India was a nation before British arrived and they took it by force, and later on due to some agreements and deterioration of British empire India got their freedom.

USA on the other hand was not a nation but a mere group of collonies, which didn't solely belong to Brits but to other nations as well. their fight for freedom was initiated as well by the British opression. that funded/established well part can be taken from 2 points of view. yes, if you compared their life to the lives of some countries in Europe at that time, then you could say they had a nice life. but when you compared the goods that USA produced as a collony and profit they got from it, than you'd see a big injustice. which then lead to some riots, which resulted in king's demonstration of power, which lead to more riots/wars etc...

and btw you really can't compare post-colonial fights for freedom (USA, not India) with today's situation. i mean today's borders of states and regions are already determined by international laws, now it's just a matter of geopolitical situation how those states and regions are arranged. Georgia would be the best example, somewhat stable regions that suddenly discarded their good relations due to changes in global prices of oil and gas, it's nothing else...

[StillTesting]

there is a difference between India and Georgia, India was a colony of British empire, and today's democracy should be against colonialism,which brings us to the paradoxal example of Gibralta but it should be discussed elsewhere. as i said, India was a nation before British arrived and they took it by force, and later on due to some agreements and deterioration of British empire India got their freedom.

USA on the other hand was not a nation but a mere group of collonies, which didn't solely belong to Brits but to other nations as well. their fight for freedom was initiated as well by the British opression. that funded/established well part can be taken from 2 points of view. yes, if you compared their life to the lives of some countries in Europe at that time, then you could say they had a nice life. but when you compared the goods that USA produced as a collony and profit they got from it, than you'd see a big injustice. which then lead to some riots, which resulted in king's demonstration of power, which lead to more riots/wars etc...

and btw you really can't compare post-colonial fights for freedom (USA, not India) with today's situation. i mean today's borders of states and regions are already determined by international laws, now it's just a matter of geopolitical situation how those states and regions are arranged. Georgia would be the best example, somewhat stable regions that suddenly discarded their good relations due to changes in global prices of oil and gas, it's nothing else...

I agree with most of your facts, but let's not forget that USA made one of biggest genocides world ever seen over domestic population in today's borders of USA. And India wasn't one nation at moment when UK came , but more nations after Mughal Empire started to decline. So UK>India is bit of similar to USA>native tribes. Yes, altough that wasn't maybe topic after all, just wanted to show USA isn't/wasn't so innocent too...

[fatman69]

no ofc they're not innocent, far from that. but the matter here is the legitimacy of their independence (and struggle for it) in order to draw a paralel between that and one of Georgia.

[KeweLi]

Hehe, well Britain made both India and America rich and high tech.

Anyway back to the topic, I haven't heard any news about Russia now. Have they pulled out yet or are they just saying they will?

[OMGBergrush]

Anyway back to the topic, I haven't heard any news about Russia now. Have they pulled out yet or are they just saying they will?

They said they will pull out when they feel like it and that some checkpoints will remain in georgian territory even after the withdrawal.
basically putin let the world know about one important thing...dont **** with russia!

[-eXtasY-]

basically putin let the world know about one important thing...dont **** with russia!
Hmm.. as i know Poland and USA made anti rocket shield agreement... I dont see Russia making any real steps against it...

[fatman69]

well what can they do about it? except do a lot of barking of course.

[InboX]

basically putin let the world know about one important thing...dont **** with russia!


Even Serbia has many chances to damage itself or kill itself.Cause i am sure, that Serbia can join the war that has many chances to star betwen America and Russia too!.Many Atomic Bombs will be used and not only that some people will die but the half of the earth will die, also this wont settle a thing, plus it may kill alot of inicent people.

[OMGBergrush]

well what can they do about it? except do a lot of barking of course.

winter is coming faster than you or poland or pretty much whole europe would like

[Fika[F]]

Even Serbia has many chances to damage itself or kill itself.Cause i am sure, that Serbia can join the war that has many chances to star betwen America and Russia too!.Many Atomic Bombs will be used and not only that some people will die but the half of the earth will die, also this wont settle a thing, plus it may kill alot of inicent people.

lol dude, go daydream somwhere else


anyways... putin rly is a mean badars, dont f*ck with ex kgb, btw. new russian president putin's marionet ofc all see that.

[InboX]

;829804']lol dude, go daydream somwhere else


anyways... putin rly is a mean badars, dont f*ck with ex kgb, btw. new russian president putin's marionet ofc all see that.

You are an real idiot and you are really un-mannered.I can talk with you.

[fatman69]

winter is coming faster than you or poland or pretty much whole europe would like

FYI my family uses wood n electricity for heating (mostly wood actually), and winter is never rough in my town so...and ye i see your point, but there are few things. russia isn't the only provider of gas in the world, but ye for EU it's probably the biggest. but what are they gonna do with it? onlly thing they can do is to raise prices, they can't stop delivering it cause they have to sell it to some1. and do you really think world will collapse just cause the price of heating went upwards? unless you see it, it's not like prices of oil 'n' gas are decreasing this year, people practically expcet the new tidal wave of higher prices, it will just teach them to be more rational with it.

and after russia raises their pretty prices and declares silent war to European Union, USA and their supporters, what allies will it leave them with?? because, you see, while Russia is playing all high and mighty with their prices of oil, *****slapping every1 that opposes it, USA/EU is gathering more and more allies. we all know how isolations end...

[KeweLi]

Russia are even doubling oil prices into their neigbours Ukraine because they supported Georgia.

[fatman69]

yea "kinda" off-topic... :) and the war isn't over yet, the Russian forces haven't left Georgia yet(according to some sources, and Saakasvili)

[VengefulSpammer]

ok we shall build some place for those soldiers to live? they dont seem to leave georgia so they should make some houses for them :)

[StillTesting]

Whatta retard omg... meaning on this Vengefulpieceofsh1t...

@fatman/keweli - Yes offtopic, but still if Russia don't sell any oil to EU or w/e they will loose far more money than their economy could of handle, but anyway let's keep away from this , since it is not gonna happen. They can maybe raise prices bit more for some reasons, even not have any connection to this war or any future war, but speaking about any global war imo is useless at this moment.