discusion about nerubian assasin

[sscorpion66]

hi to all again:D.today i was wandering if dagon is good for nerubian assasin(at prives with decent opponents not at pubs:P).i have heard for some ppl that you can instant kill the most agi and int heroes with dagon and his skills.me thinks that for him the item build should be 2-3 bands,bfury,threads(agi),and then a lvl4 dps item(buriza,butterfly or monkey king bar),maybe and a cuirass should be a good choice but i think this is for supporters hero,and in my oponion nerubian is carry.if i am wrong tell me:)

[-eXtasY-]

Yes, dagon is one of the most used items for nerub in competitive dota games. Its a very useful hero since he provides one of the best line dominations and has great ganging capability. Get bottle, few nulls and just mass gang after you get decent level e.b. 7-8.Its important to note that nerub isnt very item dependable hero, since hes not meant to be late game one. Generally he needs only bottle, dagon few boost items (bracers/nulls/bands) and boots (later bot ofc). Therefor, since you should get many kills and money wards should be your job.
About your build.. well everything works in pubs, but in little more serious dota most would laugh on you.. nerub is not a dps hero.

[sscorpion66]

a ok thanks extacy.my type are str heroes:Pat pick we usually pick 2str 2 int(for nukers and lane control) and 1agi(for carry).as i see now nerubian can replace the one int or the one str:)thanks in advance:).i have play with him 4-5 times.and i played him with battle fury i will test him in action and as supporter;).

[sunnis]

dagon is good imho, but one of the best players I know used to make diffusial/necro on na boosting him damage later.

it quite owns, as it is unexpected of na to be killing machine which you can't escape.

[URK-Ruthless]

in my pain u can do anykind of passive items if u don't have realocated keys; in a battle they become preety hard to manage...upper slots should be ctrl+ l. click respectively ctrl+ r. click for dagon, dagger, bottle, refresher etc...

[FTWDeadMan]

Well i dont quite agree on wad xtacy said.
Yes true hes no doubt a good dagon user instead of dps
but ive seen him owning with JUST 2 vanguards 1 hyper, 1 battlefury threads and bottle. Thats true and im CK that time and i totally get owned by him 1 v 1. if oppenent has more melees then its not a bad idea to go dps hero.
wat i suggest is a Butter, Threads, SnY, Bfury, Vldamirs ( if ur mates alot are mellees and no one bother to get it) and with that i think its enuf to own =) NA is not doubt a v good hero.

[-eXtasY-]

As i said you can do WHATEVER you want in pub games. You can own if you make him aghanim. Its totally pointles to discuss what is good in pub, because everything is.
Im talking about serious dota. If i get time i will bring you a replay from a big tour to see it... Meanwhile i would appreciate if other mod, or someone else do that...

[sscorpion66]

will be glad if you upload this replay;).

[klemen]

JUST 2 vanguards 1 hyper, 1 battlefury threads and bottle

JUST? You kidding...

Anyway, nerub is good against low mana heroes (beginning), in other ways he's average, just has one nice+(plus)bcos of WW.

[danut21]

nerub is good hero chaser/killer. this is how u do it: vendeta on someone, now u have time to make 2 hits before the enemy can ron r disable u, stun + 2 hits again and then mana burn. any agi or intel should die (not 100% sure though :))
1000 magic dmg + 4 hits

nerb is excellent motred counter. give him some HP an 2 blade mails and gg

[VamoS_GringO]

I dont think you gonna have the chance to hit the enemy 2 times after vendetta,maybe once but thats all.
Usually you're taking stats instead armor till a certain lvl when it isn't that useless anymore (>lvl 16 or something like that) since your job during the whole game is to gang and sometimes to initiate the battle with your ulti.But you're right with a decent hp boost and a blade mail some melee heroes just pwn themself altough blade mails are not needed imo,you cant tank so much dmg without mass hp so for the dmg return to be effective you need a item like heart which you probably wont farm till the end of the game.Dagon is really good on nerub but i like necro more since its more useful to your team (against windwalkers,it's easier to counter wards,better farming,harass and mana drain their initiator before battle etc).
P.S. Vendetta is a physical dmg based spell,the dmg is not reduced by spell resistance.Crit dmg wont be returned so its not that good against mortred ^^.

[[max_serbia]]

I have few replays with nerub with dagon( i always go that build, like extasy said) where i play vs good opponents. I can post them if needed. Anyway if u make dagon on for ex. lvl 11, then u will have 325+260+375+400+2hits= 1400 approx. So u will be able to kill most of the heros in that moment. But u must take care of ur mana, coz he needs it alot, so buy bottle and 2 nulls, and i think it will be fine.

[[-NoNick-]]

1400 - 25%

[Rake]

ex nub :)

Although dagon is really effective on nerub and pretty much used, the best item for it is necro. However, it really needs a lot of micro to have effective control under 2 summons + all nerub spells ( and hero ofc ) what makes this build rare too see.

Why necro ?

Firstly, necro is a must in every decent dota game, so if you make it someone else will be able to get some more usefull item ( since necro's cost is equal to cost of 3 sec disable, guinsoo, what is in general much more usefull ).

Secondly, this item makes nerub not useless hero in late game. If you make dagon and bot, you will be like bigger creep with 2 sec aoe stun @ late game.

Thirdly, when well used even 1st lvl of necro deals more damage than dagon. It's proven.

Finally, necro perfectly fits nerub's gamestyle which is traveling all over the map and ganking diffrent opponents - with necro you can easly destroy opponents wards.

However....as I said necro on nerub really requires a lot of practise to make it effective, so it's rather rare to see. Well...in fact, in pub/low level games it's even rare to see proper gamestyle with this great hero...

[Tkc]Fear]

Necro on NA = Imba Mana Burn :D

I think both dagon/Necro work very well on NA altho , as rake said , necro needs tons of practice :D

[VamoS_GringO]

ex nub :)

Although dagon is really effective on nerub and pretty much used, the best item for it is necro. However, it really needs a lot of micro to have effective control under 2 summons + all nerub spells ( and hero ofc ) what makes this build rare too see.

Why necro ?

Firstly, necro is a must in every decent dota game, so if you make it someone else will be able to get some more usefull item ( since necro's cost is equal to cost of 3 sec disable, guinsoo, what is in general much more usefull ).

Secondly, this item makes nerub not useless hero in late game. If you make dagon and bot, you will be like bigger creep with 2 sec aoe stun @ late game.

Thirdly, when well used even 1st lvl of necro deals more damage than dagon. It's proven.

Finally, necro perfectly fits nerub's gamestyle which is traveling all over the map and ganking diffrent opponents - with necro you can easly destroy opponents wards.

However....as I said necro on nerub really requires a lot of practise to make it effective, so it's rather rare to see. Well...in fact, in pub/low level games it's even rare to see proper gamestyle with this great hero...

Thats why i love necro,i like to micro those bastards :D.I just prefer necro over any item on nerub although dagon is good too imo just make some hp boost after and gg :)

[danut21]

the best strategy for nerub: stun+burn, go invisible and wait for CD of the first spells, then vendetta and again stun + burn and dagon (if u have)
the disadvantage is that it requires a lot of mana so soulbooster would fit here together with dagon

[URK-Ruthless]

a refreserh is good 2 stuns 2 mana burns and 2 go inv for more dmg ull ruin ur adversaries...just try it!

[[max_serbia]]

loooool for last 2 posts. haha use stun+burn then vendetta, and ur mana is gg, ofc u wont have for another stun burn or dagon.... And soulbouster is really lol. Just go few nulls, and it will be ok.

About 2nd post with refresher... again lol .. it needs 375 mana, and a looooot of farming, so its pretty useless. Mby work in pubs where u can farm 2 divines, but in decent games-it wont work.

[phaNtom.]

Arcane ring = vendetta -> stun -> burn - dagon = gg omg no re :(

[danut21]

;827382']loooool for last 2 posts. haha use stun+burn then vendetta, and ur mana is gg, ofc u wont have for another stun burn or dagon.... And soulbouster is really lol. Just go few nulls, and it will be ok.


well it works: the 5 spells require 915 mana. as u see in picture there is enough mana for them...(only)
for dagon u need a bit more mana:)

[DrunkElf]

NA imba ganger one of the best. It is surely a support/ganger heroe and is like an "int" heroe.So dagon/necro BoT is perfet for him + mass wards and if all goes fine i would built a hex :). Too shame NA almost every time banned in -apxl mode and generally in high lvl games.

[yotaras]

my opinion for nerub item build is : treads,2x bands,bfurry,desolator and then assualt...
cauz desolator boosts more his ulti and on 5v5 fight when you use vendeta with bfury and desolator shares the dmg to all and is a nice deadly dmg :D

[heppis]

dagon for lyfe and arcana! and throw the treads away