Stopping incredible human tower rush with NE

[Deimos-Spain]

Hello everybody,

Yesterday i suffered my second lost with this ****ing strategy:

I play NE. Just when i have the hero, and two archers or 1 hunter... he comes. One Archimague with the elemental, 3-4 footies, and 3- peons, thay begans to attack me and build the tower rush in, and i said "in" no near, my base.

He was gosu, level 19 i guess, and kill me in 3 minutes.

Soory, but i dont have the replay....

What to do? Maybe i am not gosu, but at least hase :)

Deimos

[Terrorboy]

It was 2 rivers, isnt? better turn of this suckers map:)

[Species_8472]

scout him with ure hero or wisps if u see peons comin just start making 2-3 AoW in your base or protectors if u have hunters hall when he starts making towers uproot aows and make the AM go away with your hero (DH i suppose)detonate wisps on WE and theyre np;)

[fk-tyrq]

ne vs hum ?
the best option for you - surrender :P

[Terrorboy]

hmm....harras him with DH then take naga.....start pupming bears and driads from 2-3 AOL and when Dh is lvl 6 say GG

I dont see another way^^

[keke]

Well, to stop rush, you need to PREPARE.
If you see worker coming, (well, maybe 3 or more, or 2) then you should quickly build a lot of AOP in ur base.
If possible, move your AOW and hit the towers. A few hit can destroy the towers.

[sakky]

to stop it, u need to control your units good. like he must control units good if he wants to rush elf.

terrorbuy, this acutally IS happening when elf goes AoL tech mostly, i actually start pushing when i see enemy goes fast bear tech.

yes, bestr to do with elf is bear tech, if u are really good enemy wont have much chances. against one more thing, dont, i repeat DONT be too passive with DH, else if u stay on low level and his MK reaches level, u stand little chances. he ll start nuking then.
elves can control easier one hero, and they can reach high levle pretty fast, but the problem comes if you want to beat enemy who has 2 heroes with decent level with your hero which has similar level to them. 2v1 yes only way to stop that is to try beating human in crittical moments. like human treis to beat u in crittical moment. for u, i suggest a bit more attention when u creep, most of elves make basic mistake by creeping when their AoLs are almost done. thats exatcly moment human mostly comes to stop u. and ofcourse, u have significantly less army, u didnt reach that tech totally like planned, u made your moonwells empty. he throws towers and kills u. otherwise if he started building towers on start, and u couldnt stop that, i think lag is fault or u have bad control.

[Terrorboy]

oh I forgot montain giants with resistance skin+staff preservation is also cool thing:)

[Deimos-Spain]

thannk u all... if i play against it, i will post the replay. I think the ancient of war near the towers can work... But, there is another problem ... with lag no chance.

Btw, i would like that all of you post here the coolest strategys,... We need to improve our skills ;) !!!

[TheDarkWarlock]

u forgot than in your base there r the moon well so u can fast heal (good in so much early game)
and if he tower rush- its mean he wont built archers
u have hunters, he foots- ur win :D

[keke]

Originally posted by Deimos-Spain
thannk u all... if i play against it, i will post the replay. I think the ancient of war near the towers can work... But, there is another problem ... with lag no chance.

Btw, i would like that all of you post here the coolest strategys,... We need to improve our skills ;) !!!

yes. AOW works well when hitting those human towers. :D

[Deimos-Spain]

Since this is a very early rush, i only have 1.5 moonweels and 1.5 hunters....

[brain-o-man]

bye neutrals ,if any,make more whips,dont make hunts just archer and focus towers>> they take extra damage,but if u see he is going 2 make the towers, make aow somewhere out of ur base and start cata...

[Who_Am_I]

I know what does he talk about and it is not a rush when you tech withoud aow. It is tower rush in every case, just like swain[frienz] does vs every elf. Deimos i could write you a real novel here about it and you still would be in deep ****s so i sugest you find replays of Phoenix_Remind(elf with 2000-200 score) vs Swain[Frienz](best human vs elf player in the world). They played 5 games and human always towered(not always but 3 or 4 games) and remind managed to take down the towers. You can find them here http://www.esl-europe.net/eu/wc3l/season6/download/194348/ http://www.esl-europe.net/eu/wc3l/season6/download/194367/ http://www.esl-europe.net/eu/wc3l/season6/download/194392/ http://www.esl-europe.net/eu/wc3l/season6/download/194411/ http://www.esl-europe.net/eu/wc3l/season6/download/194440/ P.S. Don't listen to any of those comments they don't know what are they are talking about(like somebody said to build huntres vs towers which is funnyest thing i heard today).

[Deimos-Spain]

Thx for the links.

[TheDarkWarlock]

sure hunters sux hard vs towers
but only if he has already built & upgrades the tower
i ment that u should use ur hunters and army to kill the towers before he is upgrades them
if the towers already upgraded then i dont think that even archers will help u , so gl (gg)

[sakky]

towers are base defence. they should counter any unit available on tier1. ofcourse if already constructed. tower rushing is possible for human if u have elf opponent. other cases are if UD is towered up with big level heroes to get u pissed off. then u get towers, go back, cause enemy just waits u get close to kill your rifle or priest one by one by nova and coil and running back in base. then u get mortars and shoot. towering orc is rather stupid than anything else in general. UD also in most of cases is insane for human (except in already said case). elf is excellent to tower rush, when they are saving money for AoL units. u come with more army, cause they save money, and u get + towers. big problem for elf.

ways to stop it is to do what terrorboy already said. get hero and push your opponent (no, not potm). get bears, and try to make opponent busy to rushing u. if oponent comes and u were teching, its logical that u will probably not get away. u can stop your opponent to come ofcourse. but its just if elf is capable to d othat.if not.... its good game if u already see your base is faced with towers shooting on moonwells AoW, etc.

[Who_Am_I]

Originally posted by sakky
towers are base defence. they should counter any unit available on tier1. ofcourse if already constructed. tower rushing is possible for human if u have elf opponent. other cases are if UD is towered up with big level heroes to get u pissed off. then u get towers, go back, cause enemy just waits u get close to kill your rifle or priest one by one by nova and coil and running back in base. then u get mortars and shoot. towering orc is rather stupid than anything else in general. UD also in most of cases is insane for human (except in already said case). elf is excellent to tower rush, when they are saving money for AoL units. u come with more army, cause they save money, and u get + towers. big problem for elf.

ways to stop it is to do what terrorboy already said. get hero and push your opponent (no, not potm). get bears, and try to make opponent busy to rushing u. if oponent comes and u were teching, its logical that u will probably not get away. u can stop your opponent to come ofcourse. but its just if elf is capable to d othat.if not.... its good game if u already see your base is faced with towers shooting on moonwells AoW, etc.

You are missing the point here. He is talking about rushing in 3rd or 4th minute while you still don't even have tier2, he is not talking about tower push with MK at the point where elf is going to tier3 while he still don't have master training DoTC.He is talking about the thing when he goes 1 aow huntreses or 1 aow archers.

[Deimos-Spain]

Who_am_I is correct. The rush is when only 1-2 AoW and 1-2 archers/hunters are available...

[NeCRoLoRD]

u can not stop :P
Well may be u can but it is really hard for elf.
I have tower rush against lvl 30+elves.(6-7 times and all worked fine)
Game over in 5 min. :)
even with arcane towers...
turn off the small maps and turtle rock :)
But it still works in lost temple if u r neighboors.

[sakky]

if its about rushing elf when both sides still didnt get tower, then i just can say one thing. in the play time period, when elf gets better, he will certainly find it stupid strategy (of towering u on the start in 2 minute of the game). as human players which do those kind of rushes become better, they will see how stupid tower rush they do. actually they will change way of tower rush, and start doing it on other ways if they decide to rush elf, and that is when they catch elf opponent trying to get teched AoWind or AoL units.

this is the standard way of timing for rushing elf if u are human in general. also u can see that elf was better player if u ask me.

elf cant be rushed like u said if he has same food amount army. and same control ability. it cant.

and here is the replay of that kind of tower rush i mention. btw, ucan see elf was better if u ask me. and he deserved to win that game.

elf was better concentrated. although even elf did some strange moves like having e.g. 1000 gold while his opponent rushes him, but its reasonable, most of players simply lose concentration when being tred.
human didnt get rifles and mortars...... ???? his thoughts were diferent, but i think it was obvious elf will get those towers sooner or later.... anyway, human done towering part in a good way. just he maybe could play it better...... but its easy to be general after the battle:)

[Deimos-Spain]

I got the replay. I lost again!!! No way!!!!

[Who_Am_I]

You lost from **** micro, imba map, wrong build order, wrong hero etc.

[NeCRoLoRD]

U CAN NOT STOP IF U R NOT APM70 :)
Look those;

[NeCRoLoRD]

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[NeCRoLoRD]

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[NeCRoLoRD]

well it will be too long so try this.

[Who_Am_I]

Tower rush

[AmCuK]

Sry deimos u r noob u can make anything vs tower rush tT :D

[Deimos-Spain]

Yes i am noob, but i have fun playing warcraft sometimes. Probably i have not enough time to be like you, but it is because my girlfriend, space-engineering job and driving my Toyota.:cool:

Regards

[Who_Am_I]

http://eurobattle.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7855 Look at tower rush.

[Terrorboy]

Deimos-Spain napisał(a)
Yes i am noob, but i have fun playing warcraft sometimes. Probably i have not enough time to be like you, but it is because my girlfriend, space-engineering job and driving my Toyota.:cool:

Regards good said:D

[sakky]

towering in team games is much better than in solo (at least for human). for some reason, allies simply come a bit later, and we get towers done or almost done before they even organize what to do. ofcourse, most funniest thing is that lef ally allways tells its elf fault, and actually he comes later:D anyway, its common thing that in team games when u lose its allways ally's fault:D

[Species_8472]

hehe 5min tower rush from at;)

[Species_8472]

lol i forgot.. grrr

[froggio]

"It was 2 rivers, isnt?"

on 2 ricers its not very hard for elf to defend !!! its easy but whne u have close positions on turtle rock u cant counter this u can only when the human player is noob: D u can try only to get firelord

[froggio]

"Who_Am_I" towerinng on plunder isle is it a joke ;ol