Neutral?

[keke]

I open this thread to know whether wats any of you member favourite neutral hero! ?

BM, NAGA? ETC...

particularly, i prefer naga... how about you all?

[Demonhide_PT]

well, it depends... wich hero u choose 1º, what race u are using...etc...

but i like naga a lot

[Terrorboy]

I like naga in solo, or firelord in team games.....but only for fun. On Playergame AM+MK is enough;)

[[1]kaiser]

i prefer DarkRanger... bcoz she is soo cool and her attack are really awsome!!

[Demonhide_PT]

goblin =PPP

beastmaster and panda are usefull if u play with elfs

[keke]

yes if you play elf
Hmm... no firelord here? :D

[Terrorboy]

[1]kaiser napisał(a)
i prefer DarkRanger... bcoz she is soo cool and her attack are really awsome!! yea she good with archmage, naga , dark ranger^^ powerfull range attack....also silent rox if enemy has mass wizards:D

[[1]kaiser]

and her arrows deals 20 bonus damage + skeletons.... too good, and charm has 60 seconds cooldown, so each minute u get 1 unit more

[Demonhide_PT]

naga also have bonus damage! and i prefere much more naga than Dark ranger, because and mainly naga's shots slow

[keke]

I love those naga lightning shot. If you combine fs and naga lightning and shoot those ghouls..say bye bye :D

[brain-o-man]

Originally posted by keke
I love those naga lightning shot. If you combine fs and naga lightning and shoot those ghouls..say bye bye :D \
and healing scroll+statues?

[Demonhide_PT]

Originally posted by keke
I love those naga lightning shot. If you combine fs and naga lightning and shoot those ghouls..say bye bye :D

omg... thats a bit nooby, cuz Tauren chieftain shockwave is WAY better than naga's lightning shot!

[Terrorboy]

hehe, the best vs ghouls is imba MK and his CLAP CLAP:D

[sakky]

clap clap yeah yeah. actually there is difference of going spells for MK against UD and other races mainly. for UD, u get lvl 2 clap instead of bolt if u see that massing. u wont kill DK anyway if enemy is just a bit smart.

but impale + nova bye bye, watcha. oh, naga makes you not having chance to pull back any foots if enemy is using it a bit close to good. beastmaster for elf. bear completes massing and here we go.

dark ranger against UD. if u are elf player, then u certainly asume why. not jsut because of possible nuke, no. but because of excellent focusing and getting skelies. it is simply created to counter UD in a way by itself if u are elf. nah, but beastmaster is also having all ppl need:)

if u have feeling u need to get bigger army but fast for pushing, tavern heroes (especially in turtle rock) can be of good use. u went to oyur eneym and buy hero, and save yourself of waiting for other one..... soon after u got on tier2.

[brain-o-man]

Originally posted by sakky


if u have feeling u need to get bigger army but fast for pushing, tavern heroes (especially in turtle rock) can be of good use. u went to oyur eneym and buy hero, and save yourself of waiting for other one..... soon after u got on tier2.
well actualy mostly the time it takes ur bought hero 2 reach tavern=time when u can bye tavern hero.....

[[1]kaiser]

you all say naga's lighting is cool when combined with FS... and i say NOOOO it isn't... its just cool to see two lighting attack, but there are far better attack, (panda combo) or shockwave...

[sakky]

Originally posted by brain-o-man
well actualy mostly the time it takes ur bought hero 2 reach tavern=time when u can bye tavern hero.....

no it doesnt. and thats why exactly in turtle players get tavern hero if they want to push enemy fast after they reach tier2.

[Demonhide_PT]

thats right, because recuiting 2nd hero from tavern = instant



btw, sakky, do u feel allright? you are writing such short posts...:D :D ;)

[Who_Am_I]

Panda=ultimate imbalance in this game it's just most of the playes don't realize the power of it. It is ultimate imbalance and no hero can be compared with it. And yes i am using it in every game.

[sakky]

this is what i consider good hero:
clap, bolt, briliance.
nova, coil, impale.
no, serious, u can even find thinker as good choice in a way. now he has much more hps. and he got +1 armor. better spells...... just what it needs is ability of loading sappers to zeppelin and party comes.

if u watch which race has best heroes, and which is dependent on heroes mostly, UD certainly. and their heroes even cover those sux units which they have until tier3. if u play UD, u wont change your lich for anything. and lich with DK is so IMBA:D

[TheDarkWarlock]

if u play humen i dont think u need neutral hero-
am is maybe best first hero with the imba we
mk is the best hero killer in game i think
and pal is the best 3rd/supporting hero in game becouse he is hard to kill and can save ur hero
maybe the FL can make good combo with the am but im not sure if its better from mk

[[1]kaiser]

the only race where neutral hero is needer are Nightelves
watch replays, they will prove my point...

[Demonhide_PT]

hhmm, maybe, but u can also add a few neutral heros for UD and Orc's, because they come usefull

[Who_Am_I]

Wanna know the reason why elfs only use neutral heroes?Coz most of their heroes suck in certain situation and there isn't any good hero combo from NE like there is AM/MK , DK/lich/crypt lord... And then also the pretty good reason and that is ORCs don't have skills to try something new, humans are like UDs addicted to AM and UD are just dependant on DK/lich

[Demonhide_PT]

lol:D , too true;) brilliance aura is worse than cocaine ^^

[sakky]

Originally posted by Who_Am_I
Wanna know the reason why elfs only use neutral heroes?Coz most of their heroes suck in certain situation and there isn't any good hero combo from NE like there is AM/MK , DK/lich/crypt lord... And then also the pretty good reason and that is ORCs don't have skills to try something new, humans are like UDs addicted to AM and UD are just dependant on DK/lich

elf heroes arent weak. especially DH, if u rate him weak, then i dont know, paladin = pe0n:D now serious. elf isnt going tavern heroes because elf players like to change their strats. its the fact that they can e.g. get strong counter to specific race with good choice form tavern. or get strong hero like beastmaster whihc is excellent for masisng archers strat.
remember, elf is able to go so much different strats because of moonwells, not because their heroes suck, or because they like to change their strats. why UD techs so fast? i ve played about 20 games with UD continously. and i know one thing. u are FORCED to tech fast with UD. until tier3, u have suxed units. only heroes are what helps u, and thats why heroes are seriously strong. but if they get level up, its certain that UD wins the game.
elf is lacking of good combo, true, thats why elf is having excellent solo combo of leveling up demon hunter and after getting level, they start pushing, ofcourse if my 2 heroes get big levels also, u cant expect one hero will outpower my 2 heroes of same level. on tavern maps, elf is certailny going 2nd hero as tavern one. naga witch probably. (at least against human).

yes, elf is lacking of 2nd hero for combine with their best choice (demon) in most of cases. thats why there is bonus on soloing. to make elf getting its hero ultimate faster, to have serious advantage while opponetn heroes are still weaker. but the truth is that elf is having best units if he is microing them. only disadvantage is not having such great combination for second one.

like i hear rifles counter dryards, lol yes they are supposed to counter them. and they are stronger. but for gold price, u ll see that elf can mass more dryards. there goes the story why elf is race which masses unarmored against good balanced army, its because of their units being cheap.
and i was hearing how huma nwill be imbalanced with bloodmage, all people would abuse him, how footmen will counter any strat.... and foots are still useless, bloodmage isnt imba at all. knights are still not worth to be teched for. i m still going tier2 and massing rifles and casters, since its best imbalance human has. casters and rifles and level upping heroes.

[brain-o-man]

Originally posted by Demonhide_PT
thats right, because recuiting 2nd hero from tavern = instant



btw, sakky, do u feel allright? you are writing such short posts...:D :D ;)
yes ,but i was talking about 1st hero ..

[Who_Am_I]

Sakky one advice: Don't watch european human replays :P They still mass rifles but now everybody knows how to counter it, better watch YolinY_Sky ,Swain[FrienZ] and 4K.ToD coz they are at least for me the the only human players that can compete on the highest level. By highest level i don't mean players like mtw-taker or SK.Wizard or Panic_Wasano and players like that. They are certanly still very gosu and can rape 99% of players but they just can't even be near the skill of the very top players like Cherry-Reign(probably best UD), Spirit_Moon, SK.Zad, grubby etc. P.S. If elf is making you problems i have new imbalance for you sakky:D Fast expand make 5 towers@exp and @main and mass gyros and take down the elfs building one by one. There is just no counter to it. And i forgot one thing, you are right all NE heroes are good in certain situations unlike other races which are "forced" to do same hero build but problem is that 2 natural NE heroes just can't work nice together so it is better to stay single hero and hope you can get avatar of vengence or metamorpthosis(on non-tavern ofcourse).

[sakky]

i watched 4k.tod. and he goes rifles generally.
kind of stratrs with towering.... and yeah towers @ exp and @main... and u spend resources on towering. and enemy gets teched army. dont worry, hypos will kill any air unit. tey are the strongest antiair.
best human players are fatc, heman, insomnia, yes swain[frienz,], tod...... and u ll find them all having main strat same. massed rifles in general. twisted meadows maybe towering on that way... but its generally not better than rifles.

rilfes and casters, great control and getting MK at high levels. when 2 human heroes get high level, DH alone with ultimate isnt so much untouchable. MK getting high level is big disadvantage to elf then. AM is not problem, they can handle him later, but MK is problem.belive me, i know it is.

[Arie-]

i mostly use panda when i play vs Ud. All ud makes ghouls lich dk, but i make fiends dk panda and then rape and you know why. Secondly, I think the tinker is REALLY underused. The fact that those little goblins deal 15 - 80 dmg on death and also they attack (most players are too stupid or too busy to kill the factory), you can creep witht that hero alone, harass (just make a defence at home and you can harass the whole game long with only one hero) and the ultimate is gg for every race. It is a very good solo choice for an lf player (ever seen Cyberlama's replays on 1.16?).
The Pit Laard. I only use this guy in 2v2, when my tp is orc. I take dk, he takes Pit.
DR is an excelent hero for creeping and a very good third choice in ffa. Simply silence ownz. Skellies are only good for creeping and in the beginning, when u dont have a 100 army. Charm rox too, u get it if u go solo DR.

The rest heroes are unused by the dead: bm needs healing, naga is slow and needs healing, the firelord may be good, but he still needs healing and alchy is just too weak.
That's only my humbe oppinion.

[sakky]

true about the thinkerr. ok, maybe he isnt good for the first one because he has no summon and few other things. but in this patch he has 600 hp and got aditional armor. his spells are stronger, cost bit more mana, adn even cooldown was reduced to cluster rockets, spell which is use if i get him mostly.

arie, i know about what u think, when he gets lvl 6 and comes with factory in your base and destroys your base alone. i fall on that trick once when patch was released, but opponent lost the game anyway because of me getting bloodmage ultimate and MK ultimate also..... 2v1 with ultimates waged the game. yet, that was when the patch was released, and most of players were testing all kind of strats.

but serious, main mistake is that players are tying to kill him, and especially when workers are around to repair him. i figure it out when i saw him destroying all and not dieing.... then u just get rifles to shoot on factory. cause factory ****s your army and base up, especially when its on lvl3 when suicidal goblins have AOE damage like that....

dark ranger? if u ask me, its obvious that its best used for elf. for best focus. and skeletons are imbalanced while your oponent still has no dispell ability. if i see him, i simply push elf to stop archer massing in any way, while i upgrade to dispell. otherwise it can be pretty ****ty.

useless neutral heroes in general: alchemist, pitlord. u simply cant go alchemist cause other heroes are simply having better perspective. pitlord is out of any kind of use mostly:) slow, bad turn rate, big collision..... his collision is collision which chieftain had in some older versions.... enough to say. thats why u can surround him and hit him with 12 foots at once:D big enough?:D
beastmaster is far away form useless.

[brain-o-man]

Originally posted by sakky
useless neutral heroes in general: alchemist, pitlord. u simply cant go alchemist cause other heroes are simply having better perspective. pitlord is out of any kind of use mostly:) slow, bad turn rate, big collision..... his collision is collision which chieftain had in some older versions.... enough to say. thats why u can surround him and hit him with 12 foots at once:D big enough
hmm alchemist can be very usefull in 3x3 ,4x4 games maybe even 2x2 when its mass ranged units,cause of the healing,and armor reduce 4 great focus .. stackes with faerie fire ? oO...so it can be good
and pit lord can be k,as 2,3 hero when u are pushing ur oponent and he is towering or having lots ofarchers ... etc ;P

[sakky]

yes. evry hero can find purpose. but main difference is is there is other hero which can do that also, and have some advantage also over other one.

i know bloodmage is beter than AM if u see his e.g. flamestrike and siphon mana spell. i know he has more hps, better attack rate.... but when u look whole case, u ll find him hard, because he has no summon, (and is a bit slower moving). and u use summon to creep with it (hey, where goes that militia creep and exping? AM does that far way better than BM). in solo, for choosing one hero as first, main things are: summon, nuke ability, fast move speed is expected for melee ones also. and few other racial identity vulnerability coverages by that type of hero. (WE fits perfectly). FS? scouting, eushing, creeping.... chieftain cant be expected to be better just for revive ability or whatever, jsut few games with orc show that.... he isnt that good to be chosen as first over FS at all.
yes, big team games are showing much imbalances. thats probably why blizzard says they dont balance game for 3v3 or 4v4.

[Arie-]

i was talking about undead army or my own army and how i use heroes.
Btw its TINKER not thinker.

[sakky]

yeah. wrong spelling. i simply dont know how i didnt notice it before in his name:) but whatever, i was spelling gryphs wrong for long time :D

anyway, whatever u call him, he can destroy half of your base very fast:)

[D3V1ouSljenni]

so...lemme tell u hoq crazy i am.. xaxaxaxax.... for me ALCHEMISt is IMBA... axaax... alchemist-second magic+third..... +unholy frenzy+bloodlust...=IMBA attackrate...and damage...axxaxa GIMME THOSE ARCHMAGES

[Demonhide_PT]

IMO alquimist sux at low level, but when he reaches lvl 3 thats a diferent story, becoz of chemical rage + acid bomb

also he has a lot of HP, but i never use him

[Sky][RunneR-]

Naga is the best Neutral Hero 4 me......and Firelord maybe!