Humans: To rush or not to rush... here is the question

[Demonhide_PT]

well, i just liked to know your opinions about best start with humans, vs diferent races

Hu vs Hu --> Rush or FE or creep?
Hu vs Elf --> Rush or FE or creep?
Hu vs Ud --> Rush or FE?
Hu vs Orc --> Rush?Harass?FE?Creep?



i would like to know, specially vs orc and human

i usually dont do FE, i rush and 90% times i do rush, i win, cuz i can get to keep/MK very fast

but when i do FE, specially vs orc and NE (the massing races) i have lotsa trouble to expand

[XyNuletz]

FE is very good for HU vs almost all races ...i think

[keke]

FE is good against all race? I don't think so.... Orc >> hu FE..
And for my opinion:

hu vs hu -> creeep
hu vs elf -> rush
hu vs uD -> FE
hu vs orc -> rush? lol..., -> FE! YEAH! :D :D :D

[Demonhide_PT]

i usually do:

Hu vs Hu -> Rush
Hu vs Elf -> Creep
Hu vs Ud -> FE
Hu vs Orc -> FE

it works...

[Terrorboy]

hehe, it depends what map you play.....on LT is always good, only orcs could stop it;) Also it depends from position on map LT....if enemy is on the cross or right position vs you its easier:cool:

[Demonhide_PT]

the easier maps to FE are TM and LT, 2R is quite easy, but you can scout there whenever u want

[TheDarkWarlock]

i usually try rush on undead becouse i think hum have advance on undead in start ( with ok micro )
vs ne i do fe only if i see that i cant avoid bears..
vs orc & hum its defend more on the map...

[Demonhide_PT]

hhmm.. u say u rush vs undead, but what about the freezing towers? i never rush undead, becoz i fear those towers :D

[sakky]

generally AM MK rifles casters. fast exp sometimes when u think enemy wont find it, sometimes on the start of the game maybe (LT is good for that). but i m considering FE is better to establish a bit later, becaues all races are exploring. crossed positions are good thing for exping in LT, but u have 1/3 of chances of geting that, and it isnt still key of victory.
anyway, i m not considering FE as biggest advantage, i m seeing that camp in LT as good for creep with militia ofcourse. thing which i see as primary is getting MK lvl 3, and getting massed rifles and casters. your primary against orc ( as i see u ask what to do against it) is getting massed rifles and casters and MK lvl 3. and ofcourse to be very very good with controling, because a bit orc control is enough to be good rush especially on strart. and belive me, if u try to play with human army of such units like UD or orc does, with low microing (fiending, or gruntapulting) u are doomed for sure.

[Demonhide_PT]

i read your post!:D ;) :p

[TheDarkWarlock]

rush on undead- i mean before they have this ice towers
than u can kill few ghouls and run and force him to upgrade towers
after his army supposed to little weak so u keep him in base and go creep & heal , or maybe f e if availble
all this is what that "supposed to be"
sure in realety it sometimes harder
and sakky- sure u need micro. micro many times win the game
i played vs some other lev 15 on his host
i had better army after i killed more & run
and still in the last fight he beat me and won
all this was on his host when i had 2-3 sec lag ( !!! )
sec after game i search and found the same person but now on my host --- than the RAFE ofcourse ( it was even lt map :D )

[brain-o-man]

ye i noticed in at that warlock can realy own ud @ start : )

[Terrorboy]

yea, I saw it on Frostmoon replay when he came to UD base and kill few acolites....BTW on TOP REPLAYS deadknight is ussually this 1, who harras.....;)

[fk-tyrq]

its no need to FE aganist NE I just rush NE =) or haras...
against another hu FE is the best option I think or fast upgarde to tier 2 and exp...dont remeber against orc and ud but I always defend against FS harasing...blah ! I playing DOTA now, leave me alone :P

[D3V1ouSljenni]

OMG come to me little humans come to ur PAPPA....... hum FE vs undead also very risky..... hidden in gnol wood ot hidden in lt yeah but once found 75%-gg