Improving on ss?

[ANANANAN]

Well, I have got a question. I saw here many times that ppl have to improve on ss, ask others etc., but when I got to it(e.g. jungling) and I asked (like 1k times), no (or almost no) reply came, and then they said wtf, we dont like your style of doing it-I was at lvl as other ppl, gold wasn't so good, but we got 2 solo lanes etc(i wasnt feeding or so...-I plaied based on what i've seen before)oO So i'm just asking, if ppl must watch some uberpro replays on net, or could they get advice from other ss players(i saw some, but i don't like watching them 2 much...)?

P.S.: this was just example, I saw and I believe this happens also to other ppl and not so rarely.

[[SyS]-Killer]

and what did u want?

[-eXtasY-]

Well only moderators have some lets say "moral" obligation to give you tips about your game play. Now do you want to say that you asked a moderator to explain you something and he rejected to do it? have any proof? I really think you talk nonsense....

[Anderkent]

Well only moderators have some lets say "moral" obligation to give you tips about your game play. Now do you want to say that you asked a moderator to explain you something and he rejected to do it? have any proof? I really think you talk nonsense....

Thats not correct.
It has been mentioned several times for the newer, less skilled players to learn from the better players. This is an obligation not only for the former, but also the latter.

It is indeed easy to personally attack someone for not fulfilling his role in team. It requires much more attention, perception and skill to in time correct someones mistakes such that he can do his job, and learn. Noticing when things start to go wrong and pointing out what should be done is, in my oppinion, the job of those 'top' players.
But even if everything is lost and someone becomes useless for the team, it'd be much better to calmly tell him what should've been done and why what he has done is wrong/worse then to flame him straight away.

And while lack of basic dota skill (like last hit/deny, map awareness, so called dota sense) cannot be improved in this way (or can it?), skill/item build knowledge of all players will surely improve.

Maybe an assess feature should be implemented? Without consequences of -rep, one could post an assess request in which anyone (or only the top players/ mods) could comment on the game: what could be done to adapt to the situation better, which ganks could be played better / escaped from and how?

[-eXtasY-]

You dont understand me at all. There is no way to obligate good players to even say anything to you , not even a "hi". Its their good will if they want to do it, or not.
You have every right to ask and expect explanations from moderators who's job to improve this place, but not for regular players.
I for myself would explain you everything even if I would be normal player, and I think its correct to do so.
What I want to say that both great and low skilled players are just users who play here. They are not obligated to anything except respecting rules, so they have every right to post ban request without even saying a word to you. Yes I do think it would be much better that you get proper explanation from better player always, but its their choice will they do it , or not. You know this is a high level community (at least for XPAM) , so there are some good players who are just bored of low skilled players , who just want to play a nice game where his team will cooperate , when he don't even need to say what and when to do. Its fair to expect something like that, don't you think so?
Thats why i said million times , take only heroes you are sure you can play good and do your role properly. If you are unsure about something , well read some guide or test it in pub/nonss.
Again , some players generally lack dota experience and knowledge , and what we should do? Spend whole game writing and trying to make them do something useful?
Well sorry their place is not in ss and I'm not going to spend life teaching some basics which are expected in even lowest level communities.
You must understand that you cannot expect from someone to play instead of you. This is place where we expect from players to have some knowledge already, to have some decent skill and handle good games. You can always ask "hey what do you think its the best to make" , or "hey what do you think its best to pick" and BE SURE that you will get an answer to your question. But no , this is going in totally opposite directions.
A low skilled player makes mass mistakes , feed and ruin the game by lack of knowledge. And then say "hey why you didn't tell me what to do" . Well because you didn't even ask for it. No one can constantly look on 4 heroes to see if they make correct item/skill builds and plus successfully control his hero. I saw just too many games when such players take carry ofcourse (you know mass kills 400+ dmg really rox) and since it was terrible pick and they cant handle good opponent players on solo lines, they feed. What advice you expect to be given to them? They pick something what they are not able to play and only full share and controlling the hero could help.

So the short overview. I'm sure you will always get a short tip from better player, even hes not obligated to do it, but you CANNOT expect from him to spend whole game explaining you some dota basics. He just cant play instead of you. Also remember to get a tip you have to ASK , but before you **** up the game. Ask on the very beginning, starting from pick. Ask what to pick , what to make , who to share line with. Those are all questions which are easy and fast to answer and there will be someone willing to do it for sure.
You know we have quite good dota-allstarts forum and i really CANNOT see those players who are willing to learn asking or posting anything, do you?
Feel free to open thread about ANYTHING and you will get proper and good explanations from mods and other experienced players. But as i said i guess point of this thread is just finding an excuse for bad games.

[ANANANAN]

Yes, it happened also in team with mods/best ss players, who should have np replying(wont say names till get replay). And moral obligation or no, how can newb(the one you think has to improve) improve, if no1 wants to give advice to him, when he asks? Isn't this supposed to be a friendly community, not a pro-like channel, as some1 from mods mentioned on other thread? You won't improve just by playing with better players, or seeing replays. Then bad luck i didn't play with you....but I played with most skilled players, and only some of them answered, and even that wasnt that big advice ;) And also, they only talk as if they are friendly, dont wan't to ban him, but its 2nd game and he didn't improve, but if they "want" to give him a chance, why don't they say smthing, just flame? Well thats also sort of bad manners...Btw I think I am normal player, don't feed or so, also knew basic about the foresting, but wanted some hints. And cuz it's rd, at begin you got loads of time, so why instead of spamming smthing, write something helpful to others?:)

P.S.: also at pub, its kinda useless to try anything, maybe if you want to see only the real basics, cuz at ss its completely different. E.g. foresting, dumbs at pub wont do anything, but at ss they come gang you and you have it really bad then :) what happened to me 2/2 times xD

E: reedited since extasy came up with normal reply :) thx

[-eXtasY-]

I dont find my post offensive at all, but if you feel insulted well sorry but I said only truth.
I just cannot believe that a moderator didn't give you answer to your question and thats a reason why I asked you for proof. Remember empty words like those look only as silly accusations.
Just answer me. Where are those players asking anything? Did you see our dota-allstars forum? I think they have perfect place to get ANY kind of tips or explanations. Maybe i missed something? Correct me if I'm wrong.
For more info please read my previous post more carefully because i wouldn't like to repeat something i wrote 3 min ago.

[ANANANAN]

1.) i reedited it AFTER your normal answer
2.) you want to see something work in action n based on what team wishes ;)
3.) well, mb this kind of ppl are in minority, but still the attitude on ss isn't well, and ever since the changes came its getting worse, ppl like to ban/req for anything thats really inadequate...well its getting offtopic, thx for reply, I must next time ask you xD And I am reading something, sometimes watch replay, but imo best is to try urself based on team wishes/advices n situation.
Thx for the 2nd+3rd intelligent n helpful reply :)

[xXJesusXx]

1THing,The sad truth is,,99% of ss-newcomer sucks.

I remeber how i came on ss.and i played everytime against ppl like keny,tay,ex,memmon.

i got in every fkcin game on lane against tay and keny..10games-9times.And believe me,,it's not easy to farm against this 2 fkcers.But aafter some time i learn to farm well,to gank,NOT to be ganked etc.TO watch the game,to feel the game,to feel what is needed in some situations.

IMO,1st month Newcomer should play in weaker teams,TO get Owned.After games,they should watch THE REPLAY,and see how to farm some hero,how to play his role,how to gank(and not to farm 70min),how to be usefull for the team!

After everygame i watched at start replays,to IMprove my sKiLLs.but the fckin thing is,the most newcomer wont listen to older and more-skilled player.
They think they pro,they know evertything,they wont listen to pick,to build to nothin,and 2games later,,i see -rep req,NIce(cuz 95% od rep req r my work :D ), IMO we need fast Team Leaders,who have to decide pick and role in team.
1Example,i play with extasy,we have 1tank(centaur) i have abbadon,i say to ex: bro im goin' on meka+shiva,(cuz we had no support),he say,hmm OK(i ask him,cuz he is probably most skilled player-SO,IMo HE IS TEAM LEADER).
1sec later roxad start to ask,hmm why meka,why shive,u noob?go tank,go hot.
Ex asnwer :roxaD PLS stfu,or u go on support with viper.
We ganked them whole game cuz i buy like 20wards,and heal who fckin game.

That is the Best thing i learned on ss..Abbadon=str=tank?NO/YES

It depends on situation.when u have tank like cent,then play aba as babysiter and go support.

Just think about..NO newcomer would play abbadon so..GG no RE
*Keny,EX it's ya JoB to kick theyre ass ,give them 1chance to learn from skilled player,if u see that they dont improve in 3-4days,,Just say Bye Bye Bye,cuz its lossin time to have players like verybad,shadowfiend,hexagram.[x3d]serbian,crosy in ss,cuz u know from start that they r reason for lose,and in 99%THEY RUIN the game :D

[Warkaholic]

and see how to farm some hero,how to play his role,how to gank(and not to farm 70min),how to be usefull for the team!

...

u know from start that they r reason for lose,and in 99%THEY RUIN the game :D

Basically, you're right; I'll just add a tiny thing: did you ever watch the ladder scores? what about ppl having less than 25% wins? scores (win/loss) like 1-7, 3-11?

Of course, someone has to lose, but losing constantly sounds like loser for me.

[Smurf]

I honestly think you guys should pay a little more attention on playing and not foruming.
If you think you're pro,bring it on to the really good players and prove that to them.
Posting -rep ban request or whatever to kick nubs won't help as long as you don't try putting a bit of effort into making your team work,with or without a lower skilled player.
That,or you can keep on whining on forum for some noobs entering SS and wasting your games.
Remember,noobs will keep on coming,bad games also happen.
Better treat this like a fun game and make it worth the time you spent on playing it,else it will all look senseless after some time.
Think about it .. why are you playing dota ?

[IceBird]

smurf dont tell me u actually believe what u said can happen.. seriously

i played an ss game yesterday.. took pit lord
the one mistake i did was not to SPAM SO MUCH my third skill.. and we ultimately lost the game because moon had an overfarmed luna and finished us all.. guess what happened @ end?? everyone on my team flaming me with whispers u **** did u play the game? what the **** u doing with pitlord when u dont know how to play him? why the **** did u ruin our game u ******* and what not..(one of my best friends here in xpam did that also) and calling me a mother****ing pubber.

gl hf with ur gosu MyM skills and proffesional gameplays... we lesser mortals dont deserve ss's respect and worthiness.
P.S if u want to see smurf here is the replay.

all i want now is a goddamn channel OP or just to be safelisted to talk to some of my 'sane' friends there like pofo or moon or other ppl.

Don't insult other members on forum plz. If you don't like ss, none force you to play here. Wish you good day. - Anom

[Ogi.]

Basically, you're right; I'll just add a tiny thing: did you ever watch the ladder scores? what about ppl having less than 25% wins? scores (win/loss) like 1-7, 3-11?

Of course, someone has to lose, but losing constantly sounds like loser for me.
until few days ago i had exactly 20 losses more than wins = worst ss ladder score. But i don`t feel like loser ;] It`s much better feeling when u play with x3m verybad topgun and rest of us noobs and enjoy silent game than to be noob with 4 professional DotA players who enjoy seeing random nabs being beated, or , 1% of games cry all the game and whine if accidentally loosing :(
Then , ofc , it can`t be no1`s fault except that 1 noob who ruined their game :(
basically , u need to know a lot of people here [ important people ] or u will be doomed with eternal playing scourge with me and serbian and others , and therefore u`ll lose more than 75% of games ;p
One more thing , @Warkoholic , ladder stats means shi.t, litterally.Period. But if that same ladder stimulates players to play more, like we all know ,it does ,
it`s ok :) But please stop pointing out those ladder stats since we all know you are among the us , the worst ss players atm -_-
@ Thread starter - it`s not hard to improve. Yes , it might sound dumb but constant playing makes it big part , especially if u need to improve to average ss player level.. Pay atention on better players and remember all the finesses and details , and try to use the head as much as possible :)
P.S. I hope i won`t get shot by supperior staff around here, cause this is my humble opinion :):) so feel free to point out the bad sides of my post :P

[Sagacity]

smurf dont tell me u actually believe what u said can happen.. seriously

i played an ss game yesterday.. took pit lord
the one mistake i did was not to SPAM SO MUCH my third skill.. and we ultimately lost the game because moon had an overfarmed luna and finished us all.. guess what happened @ end?? everyone on my team flaming me with whispers u **** did u play the game? what the **** u doing with pitlord when u dont know how to play him? why the **** did u ruin our game u ******* and what not..(one of my best friends here in xpam did that also) and calling me a mother****ing pubber.

gl hf with ur gosu MyM skills and proffesional gameplays... we lesser mortals dont deserve ss's respect and worthiness.
P.S if u want to see smurf here is the replay.

all i want now is a goddamn channel OP or just to be safelisted to talk to some of my 'sane' friends there like pofo or moon or other ppl.

Don't insult other members on forum plz. If you don't like ss, none force you to play here. Wish you good day. - Anom


About this game and the new ss players. Watch and see how i detect a whiner from start = trilo
a flamer = tala maska

The other 3 ppl form team =me,moon aka vietnam, hisinux = more than 5 years of playing older than keny,tay,extasy etc. no ofence for you but they played with akira, cya-emyeu which i bet you didn,t even heard.... so pls new players start learnig stop whining from s start , stop flaming others cuz if you start from min 5 to flame you will lose game as a team.

So you know flame= from start 1 you go make other noobs etc...

well when i saw rep for moon i was very dissapointed but go "clean" ss if you would like that, this channel died once will die second time no problemo...

p.s. i got rep points cuz keny wanted to clean a replay cuz they post rep, now i saw they don,t do that anymore, maybe lost players? or they got bored of rep?

If you go all pro you will not have players soon, will have only pro's.

p.s.2. the only thing i hate most is when a mod lose a game and rep all his mates but about him n/c, i wonder he didn,t took part of team? if we start to think like individuals in a TEAM game we will not ever had gg. Think pls if team lose-you lose. Don,t think if team lose but i did good cs, good team build =i am good.

NO i think you lost too couse you were very busy saying to others how stupid they are instead of helping the TEAM.
So please when rep someone think what you could do for him before punish him.

[2fuckingbitch]

When i got ss i had respect for other players ...
This new players are here 1 day and they start flame others .... w/o good reason .
First of all they need to learn manners then learn to play.And to stop farm 50 min of game in forest ... because they don't realize that this is not public game THIS IS SS CHANNEL FOR SS games which lvl is much higher then public.
Second i see 10000000000 reports ...When i got ss and until now i just had -2 rep points because 2 long afk ... tay gaveme :p . Now everyday when i log here is see like 20 new -rep or ban req and i start to feel that is good thing... i dunno why but ... it seems that is better to report some1 then to leave him to learn to play because he will never say thx to u...

[rza]

About this game and the new ss players. Watch and see how i detect a whiner from start = trilo
a flamer = tala maska

The other 3 ppl form team =me,moon aka vietnam, hisinux = more than 5 years of playing older than keny,tay,extasy etc. no ofence for you but they played with akira, cya-emyeu which i bet you didn,t even heard.... so pls new players start learnig stop whining from s start , stop flaming others cuz if you start from min 5 to flame you will lose game as a team.

So you know flame= from start 1 you go make other noobs etc...

well when i saw rep for moon i was very dissapointed but go "clean" ss if you would like that, this channel died once will die second time no problemo...

p.s. i got rep points cuz keny wanted to clean a replay cuz they post rep, now i saw they don,t do that anymore, maybe lost players? or they got bored of rep?

If you go all pro you will not have players soon, will have only pro's.

p.s.2. the only thing i hate most is when a mod lose a game and rep all his mates but about him n/c, i wonder he didn,t took part of team? if we start to think like individuals in a TEAM game we will not ever had gg. Think pls if team lose-you lose. Don,t think if team lose but i did good cs, good team build =i am good.

NO i think you lost too couse you were very busy saying to others how stupid they are instead of helping the TEAM.
So please when rep someone think what you could do for him before punish him.

very good post escpecially about mod thingys

[devicem]

Nice post saga, kind words and true up to some point, but you can't deny the fact that whoever player it is about, he simply can't undergo the feeling of domination a.k.a. ordering around, human ego ring a bell ? They will do the exact opposite thing from the one you told them to do.

In last game I played I had to beg for repel, I was morphling. Won't go into detail as it's too damn emberrasing to explain.

So will they listen ? I don't think so, unless they face the fact that someone (better in this case) should give them advices about the strategies they have in mind, they been there before, so it's them who know in which way will the game be played and how. You can't accept it? Than forget about improving...that will never happen, you will always follow your nose until you hit a wall.

[[gdl]shadow]

saga what u said ...its all true..not many people see it but its the truth.


keny sucks as mod...and mods each other should give advices cause some decision ...can be really bad...i was in #ss when it was first priv,and one mistake ruined ss and became pub again...some of you might now what im talking about....cause of that mistake 70% left not just ss but XPAM to...so gg cya keep on doing the ****ty work and 1 by 1 all good players will be outta here

:banana2:

[IceBird]

just by playing with old players i didnt gain any respect
why even i played with [ss]usires(btw [ss]usires joined before [ss]cya-emyeu? [ss]Faust? [ss]omega? [ss]akira? [ss]vietnam?[vn]vudenuong(or something like that..one of the oldest players here, he joined xpam in 2002 july if i remember right? just dont want to dish out more old proffesional members here it will just make me look like a fool. and no point in talking about them anyway since they are long lost..
akira and faust in ggc hlrs.. cya and omega doing something in vietnam and etc etc.
and seeing trng and FB getting rejected from ss and then they going playing pub games 2-3days was heartbreaking.. no comment they were rejected like a pair of unknown nub pub players.

its just that u guys take things wayyyy too seriously. and i dont flame anyone or blame anyone but nevertheless i get the blames. what can i say saga did u take a look @ my pitlord replay?? i got flamed and flamed hard by sentinel players after the game was lost ... do i deserve that?? what did i do wrong except not spamming one stupid third spell of pit lord?? did others admit their mistakes ? no.. blameed it all on me for the loss.

[devicem]

shadow;771874']keny sucks as mod...and mods each other should give advices cause some decision ...can be really bad...i was in #ss when it was first priv,and one mistake ruined ss and became pub again...some of you might now what im talking about....cause of that mistake 70% left not just ss but XPAM to...so gg cya keep on doing the ****ty work and 1 by 1 all good players will be outta here

:banana2:

Are you daydreaming or purposely claiming something which is not the way it is?

Please don't talk as if you know what happened to last ss cause apparently you have no idea what it is. You say mistake? This is crap and won't argue at this point cause we know why we left and why we're still not playing fully here.

IceBird, if you really want to know, than [ss]Usiress came last, at least among the latest. Half of those you mentioned and half of those you missed have quited dota for life. The others, well...what can I say.

[ss-Kenyshor]

shadow;771874']saga what u said ...its all true..not many people see it but its the truth.


keny sucks as mod...and mods each other should give advices cause some decision ...can be really bad...i was in #ss when it was first priv,and one mistake ruined ss and became pub again...some of you might now what im talking about....cause of that mistake 70% left not just ss but XPAM to...so gg cya keep on doing the ****ty work and 1 by 1 all good players will be outta here

:banana2:

I'm really confused, I thought this thread is about how to improve on ss, not about me, really. And why do I such as mod? be kind and share some details with me.
I also readed Sagacity's post and wanted to comment about it, but I really dont understand it, and I've read it twice, maybe if you could be more specific.
Pwnzor maybe I'm not that good but atleast I'm spending time here trying to do something good or bad it doesnt matter, it's SOMETHING. What do you do? you just ran and after that...well we all know the phrase : "after a war many powerfull warriors appear". Also if you could please edit your post a little bit, I'm having troubles compiling about what are you trying to say here.

[ANANANAN]

Something to say: I didn't want to insult mods in any way, was meant in way as if we can do something with manners etc., cuz even the "pro" players aren't as kind as it may look. E.G.: some1, who wants to get to average skill in ss(or mb better), and is playing with/vs better players, get flamed rly hard, after that he gets -rep or ban. Well the ones with bad manners etc., np banning them...the others, uhm, should get a chance..if you take the time watching rep, plz judge also the part with flaming newb or so...if you see he got flamed only, no advices to him etc., why ban him(imo its really hurting your self-confidence etc, your will/effort to continue playing n learning), mb -rep others for bad manners and warn the newb or -1 him? 2.) I think i am minimally at average ss skill, and i want to learn the "finesse" with some heros etc. 3.)Back to topic plz ;) we are not discussing old ss, make new thread bout it^^

[[gdl]shadow]

since ur doing that good job i already see my friends moving from your ss comunity and playing on garona tyvm...:thumbUP:

[-eXtasY-]

shadow;771988']since ur doing that good job i already see my friends moving from your ss comunity and playing on garona tyvm...:thumbUP:

So you are one of the guys who only know to say "everything sux" without any explanation, proof or suggestion? That tells something about you personality... Nice indeed.

[[gdl]shadow]

So you are one of the guys who only know to say "everything sux" without any explanation, proof or suggestion? That tells something about you personality... Nice indeed.
well ext i dont say that everything sucks...i wonder why no1 else flamed me ...maybe keny is the only one that thinks that i suck and hates me....there are less skilled players here and he dont say a word to them

just wanna know from keny what did i do wrong,and im gonna cut the crap :)

tell me so i can improve myself..to be a better person or smth xD

[-eXtasY-]

shadow;772019']

tell me so i can improve myself..to be a better person or smth xD

For the start you could tell us why "keny sux as mod" , why "ss sux" and why are those good players leaving..... I'd like to see some constructive post so i can know what we have to work on to improve our community.

[[gdl]shadow]

For the start you could tell us why "keny sux as mod" , why "ss sux" and why are those good players leaving..... I'd like to see some constructive post so i can know what we have to work on to improve our community.

gonna go on a coffe break :F tell you later

kisses

[bigTomaTosouPWN]

crieit section for "thread that start with i so cool, let get rid of mass noobs" - all say a same

i am used translater


just gos 1v1 and stuf - or all afeared? :)

[Sagacity]

no need to answer to my thread if you didn,t get it...


p.s. my post wasn,t about mods sux really it isn,t my opinion it,s about being fair and learn something from something like STRATEGY game

[Uberpr0]

imo , some players getting punished too stricly , mods could slightly lighten up a little the punishment , ya know one of those bad days...

Then again most new-comers are just total noobs that get friends to play for them. Or a guy could just get a series of consecutive unfortunate
events that completely make him look like a nab

P.S : i only understand people moving to GGC because of less delay , and possibility to save game in leagues / tourneys etc...
far from that , ggc has more noobs then xpam (if you don't count the auahehaehaheaeauheauhe 's) , and ss has far better players then most "high levels of ggc"

btw : how about the "best improvement award" for ss , to motivate the new-comers make em feel like people recognize their improvement ^^

[ss-Kenyshor]

shadow;772019']well ext i dont say that everything sucks...i wonder why no1 else flamed me ...maybe keny is the only one that thinks that i suck and hates me....there are less skilled players here and he dont say a word to them

just wanna know from keny what did i do wrong,and im gonna cut the crap :)

tell me so i can improve myself..to be a better person or smth xD

You came here in this thread and say that you wanna know from ME what you did wrong? Dude I didnt even mention your name/nick anywhere, where is this coming from? You remove yourself from ss, why do I need to say anything do you?.

[[gdl]shadow]

You came here in this thread and say that you wanna know from ME what you did wrong? Dude I didnt even mention your name/nick anywhere, where is this coming from? You remove yourself from ss, why do I need to say anything do you?.
ok :) this thread is about improving..so im gonna tell you a bed time story now :)

i left ss cause i had to study...had 5 exams in 1 week....so if i didnt leave ss dota>>study xD....anyway in that week my free time was used in playing dota on xpam...some TD that doesnt last long or sometimes friends called me for ss game....played few....np.....and as i finished all exams i entered a ss game ...i think jesus called me...and keny was in the game to...just as i entered he said to me "leave now pawnzor cant u see the teams are imbalanced,go play pubs"
i mean wtf? :) we won the game ofc...keny didnt say a word maybe he -rep his team dunno....and since then i spam this crap ...i thought that mods are suposed to be helpfull...but in this case i was wrong.
and ext i cant help u with improving ss ...only players can improve their selves...ur role in their improvement is small.

[EscapeTheFate]

imo , some players getting punished too stricly , mods could slightly lighten up a little the punishment , ya know one of those bad days...

Then again most new-comers are just total noobs that get friends to play for them. Or a guy could just get a series of consecutive unfortunate
events that completely make him look like a nab

P.S : i only understand people moving to GGC because of less delay , and possibility to save game in leagues / tourneys etc...
far from that , ggc has more noobs then xpam (if you don't count the auahehaehaheaeauheauhe 's) , and ss has far better players then most "high levels of ggc"

btw : how about the "best improvement award" for ss , to motivate the new-comers make em feel like people recognize their improvement ^^

Ur wrong. The level of the high level rooms in ggc is better or at least the same like ss.

[Ogi.]

Ur wrong. The level of the high level rooms in ggc is better or at least the same like ss.

Ur wrong. No public room anywhere is better, nor same as ss.

[EscapeTheFate]

Ur wrong. No public room anywhere is better, nor same as ss.

U havent played on ggc i suppose

[IceBird]

U havent played on ggc i suppose

then maybe u could enlighten us with ur expertise on ggc pubs?

look people im sorry first of all that i insulted ss or any other member(s) who might have taken my previous posts as an offense and especially a word of apology to anomandaris. i was blinded by anger and now i see the effect of my words.

i sincerely say to u good luck and have fun in ss, hope u improve as the mods intend for u to do. i see that im not welcome here anymore and people find an easy target for blaming nowadays for a game well lost ..for those people please do some introspection first to see what u urself are doing wrong. i dont want to take anymore blame just as i did before for these kind of things. i just wanted to enjoy a game( its still just a game for entertainment to me , it always has been and it always will be )but since majority of the players take ss very serisouly and view each game as a ladder game lost/won, i see now that i cant fit in and all i do is spoil the few people's fun and time.

@devi thats precisely why i mentioned the players who have mostly quit dota
and moved on with life and because i have some amount of contact left with them i can say atleast something about what theyre doing currently.....usires was one of the first to come here not the last.

[ss-Kenyshor]

shadow;772089']ok :) this thread is about improving..so im gonna tell you a bed time story now :)

i left ss cause i had to study...had 5 exams in 1 week....so if i didnt leave ss dota>>study xD....anyway in that week my free time was used in playing dota on xpam...some TD that doesnt last long or sometimes friends called me for ss game....played few....np.....and as i finished all exams i entered a ss game ...i think jesus called me...and keny was in the game to...just as i entered he said to me "leave now pawnzor cant u see the teams are imbalanced,go play pubs"
i mean wtf? :) we won the game ofc...keny didnt say a word maybe he -rep his team dunno....and since then i spam this crap ...i thought that mods are suposed to be helpfull...but in this case i was wrong.
and ext i cant help u with improving ss ...only players can improve their selves...ur role in their improvement is small.

Yeah, and would you be so kind to tell us WHY did I said that to you? if not I can refresh your memory. Its because you WHINE everytime you enter a game about balance, you have no ideea what balance is but you still whine. I asked you : " ok tell me your version of balance", I ask all players who whine for balance, and what was the response? NOTHING, because you DONT know to balance teams. But its easy to whine first without reasons because if you lose you can always say : " bleah, teams were imbalanced". I'm sick of peoples who act without reasons.


i see that im not welcome here anymore and people find an easy target for blaming nowadays for a game well lost ..for those people please do some introspection first to see what u urself are doing wrong.

You know VERY good why you're not welcomed(if you say so) on ss, lets stop talking non-sense around here.

[-toXic-]

U havent played on ggc i suppose

i play with ogi on ggc whole time + jesus + gringo + bibac.Well we always were playing in cw room still we didn't lose.

[Sns]

blablabla.


before leaving tell me who u are, you can tell me you don't care now : D

I ask all players who whine for balance, and what was the response? NOTHING, because you DONT know to balance teams.


they just want to be with you in team !!

[devicem]

@devi thats precisely why i mentioned the players who have mostly quit dota
and moved on with life and because i have some amount of contact left with them i can say atleast something about what theyre doing currently.....usires was one of the first to come here not the last.

Maybe, I'll ask Void to refresh my memory, as I know it, Usiress came last in ss clan, though his previous nick I do not know.

Anyway, what's up with them, it's their decision of what they are going to do next, if it's to quit than they'll quit, why should we care, we can only mark them as good memory for the old days, nothing more...

And, for those people who constantly have a debate on whether ggc has noobs or not, I'll make a simple comparison. bnet has pubs and ss channel. ggc has hlr's and pvt channels. ss = hlr's ( maybe, I'd rather doubt it ) and pvt channel = way beyond your current imagination of what it may look like, cause frankly ( don't take it personally ) you cannot see what it's like, at least for now...

One more thing, cw room is(or rather was) good, but nowadays its number of ppl have increased, thus finding a good stack team/clan w/e is getting more and more difficult.

[ss-Wolf-X]

P.S : i only understand people moving to GGC because of less delay , and possibility to save game in leagues / tourneys etc...
far from that , ggc has more noobs then xpam (if you don't count the auahehaehaheaeauheauhe 's) , and ss has far better players then most "high levels of ggc"

GGC ? better SS then GGC , i have a lvl 33Acount on GGC , i played on all High Level Rooms , There are imba leavers and laggers on ggc.Evreybody is spaming there and recently all players are improving there skill there using Maphack , because ggc was cracked .... Np Np. PS : not to mention that you have to wait 10-15 min to enter a room if not even more. :thumbUP: , less Delay/Lag my A*S. ( I Dont see me buying goldmember , because that sucks )
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On-Topic: Improving for SS? Take out the Players that we see evreyday playing and not improving.SS comunity is growing slowly because of the number of n00bs joining and getting banned after.I've seen a thread on the forum from a testgame , from 10 players playing a testgame 9 players were Denied and 1 Approved.So , SS comunity is growing slowly but
with skill.Improving SS like i said remove players that are not improving and feeding in almost evrey game.Dont remove players that are already safelisted and make a few mistakes ( i mean dont -rep him immediately if u see him making a mistake , evreybody does make mistakes even the Pro' ones ). BtW Ss stands for many years and will <4 ever stand.

GO : -sprd :thumbUP:

[hahahehe]

Improving SS like i said remove players that are not improving and feeding in almost evrey game.Dont remove players that are already safelisted and make a few mistakes ( i mean dont -rep him immediately if u see him making a mistake , everybody does make mistakes even the Pro' ones ).

I'm totally agree with you Wolf ^_^. You gave a right point here, i hope Mods or every ppl can realize that.

Sprd is a good mode to have a interesting game too!


ps : wofl : did you play pub on ggc ? car as i know all my friends there use to play private game in their own channel such as clan vs clan, and the quality of gaming is high.

[Tito]

Why you insist of doing SP games? If you want SP its obvious you're not up to the level of ss and you should ask for deletion of the safelist.

[Ogi.]

Why you insist of doing SP games? If you want SP its obvious you're not up to the level of ss and you should ask for deletion of the safelist.

guys ,come on , we all know that games are rather imbalanced for over 90% of games ;] but who caressss go see my photos @ss player photos =]

[Tito]

What is the imballance? The games are not played 5v5?

[Sns]

What is the imballance? The games are not played 5v5?

Are you trying to look more stupid than you are ?

[ss-Wolf-X]

Why you insist of doing SP games? If you want SP its obvious you're not up to the level of ss and you should
Are you trying to look more stupid than you are ?
ask for deletion of the safelist.
Yes He does.Not all players are Pro'godlike players on ss and you know it , i know it and evreybody else knows it. so dont act stupid.

Put Arti,Tay,eXtasy,Keny and let us say bonzy ... vs some newcomers.. ( i bet 100$ on 1st Team) :thumbUP: your overreacting Tito , -rdsp is a good Mod or you can balance teams at the start of the game.

I'm totally agree with you Wolf ^_^. You gave a right point here, i hope Mods or every ppl can realize that.

Sprd is a good mode to have a interesting game too!


ps : wofl : did you play pub on ggc ? car as i know all my friends there use to play private game in their own channel such as clan vs clan, and the quality of gaming is high.

Pub/Cw and evreything else. But still ggc Pubs suck because of the 45% n00bs and 45% leavers there are.

[Ogi.]

ye , thats the point : )

[Mr.7error]

Oh excuse me maybe xpam pubs are better, nigga please. The fact is SS=>GGC highlevels>GGC pubs but most private rooms are equal or better than ss, players are better but addicts. You go, play game, if u got a problem and have to pause they'll flame you, if you need to leave for some unpostponable personal reason they'll flame you and act sarcastic and ironic. So if you want to make friends, play dota and have fun with it, while still playing decent skilled games, come ss. If you want to be and addict and not chat a word between the 10 games a day, which are played at the best skill you can find, go GGC.

About the balance, asking or -sp is kinda childish, like in games when you were child and cried for some dude that went the other team when u lost. They dont even get to see their allies and they're like "omg balance plz". Please, be more reserved and just play to have fun combined with the feel a pro game gives to you. Maybe some friends want once to play toghether, you cant ask for sp then. Again, if some game really is imbalanced, balance teams before game, dont go sp, because when MOST PRO from 2 teams come toghether leaving the other ones in team 2, you will again whine.

Then, compunut please cut the crap out with ur imba knoledge of old ss pro players, talk that in private.

Moreover, ontopic, mods AND users who think can help MUST, I mean it's in our social nature to help the ones that ask NICELY, and that want to be helped.
Thanx for reading and sorry for long post but bluked it up in one bigun. Keep it real and stop bullsh.itting.

[[gdl]shadow]

[QUOTE=ss-Kenyshor;772187]Yeah, and would you be so kind to tell us WHY did I said that to you? if not I can refresh your memory. Its because you WHINE everytime you enter a game about balance, you have no ideea what balance is but you still whine. I asked you : " ok tell me your version of balance", I ask all players who whine for balance, and what was the response? NOTHING, because you DONT know to balance teams. But its easy to whine first without reasons because if you lose you can always say : " bleah, teams were imbalanced". I'm sick of peoples who act without reasons.


keny keny keny ur being very funny....as i remember allmost 80% from ss games i played in scourge team(which is not a bad team but all new comers are being swap in scourge)...i never WHINED,cause i like to beat ur ass...do u remember me playing in ur team?? maybe 2-3 games....for me its better to play vs good players then vs nabz...if i wanted to play vs nabz=PUB...anyway since i see u only see things ur way and the way that suites you... wont comment anymore.
p.s:i whined cause of spikes i admit cause i have really bad PC..

[ss-Kenyshor]

I'm seeing my point, you're seeing your point, we're both offtopic, you started, so let it go. Your "no further comment" its appreciated.

[Sns]

About the balance, asking or -sp is kinda childish, like in games when you were child and cried for some dude that went the other team when u lost. They dont even get to see their allies and they're like "omg balance plz". Please, be more reserved and just play to have fun combined with the feel a pro game gives to you. Maybe some friends want once to play toghether, you cant ask for sp then. Again, if some game really is imbalanced, balance teams before game, dont go sp, because when MOST PRO from 2 teams come toghether leaving the other ones in team 2, you will again whine.
Thanx for reading and sorry for long post but bluked it up in one bigun. Keep it real and stop bullsh.itting.

Asking for sp saying "imbalanced team blabla" is childish, but playing sp is not...

When you know who will loose from start, it's realy not funny, even if I try to do my best against 5 good players when I'm with 4-3 less skilled player, with not a lot of experience, It is a lost game...

So sometimes sp is needed... I was used to play this kind of imbalanced games... 5friends against some random guyz, I had my fun, but now I changed and I prefer some hard game but where I know I have a chance to win... :O

[ss-Kenyshor]

SP is a NO NO for me, it's just another for of -ar but with players instead of heroes. SP mode can put 4 good players in one team and 3 in another so where is the balance. The balance should be made before game starts.Period. Almost every sp I played wasnt balanced.

[devicem]

When you know who will loose from start, it's realy not funny, even if I try to do my best against 5 good players when I'm with 4-3 less skilled player, with not a lot of experience, It is a lost game...

So sometimes sp is needed... I was used to play this kind of imbalanced games... 5friends against some random guyz, I had my fun, but now I changed and I prefer some hard game but where I know I have a chance to win... :O

I think this reached the peak of the conversation. Being one of the main problems here, it's not the biggest and we all know what that is...in better words, focus on clearing ss from souls that do not want to improve ( you can easily notice them ) and give chance to those that listen, but do not have appropriate skill atm. IMHO it's the best way towards improvement as topic suggests.

[ANANANAN]

Well, its offtopic ,but i'll answer you. Its imbalanced, cuz as mny said, there are the "nub newbs" and also the old pros, so if scourge got 3 newbs+2 old good, or not so good, and sentinel got 3 mods +2 olds, or just 4 olds n 1 normal, or smthing like that. And say me its balanced. I dont whine cuz of teams, dont request anything(in most cases) cuz its useless, sometimes you get kicked, or they spam you that you are noob etc. cuz of it and dont make anything. Also there is the thing that the old players always playing together got much better teamplay cuz they got used to each others play style, which cant be said when playing with newbs.

P.S.: well, i dont want to say that mods do imba teams, but some other ppl do n they say its my friend, learn 2 play etc ;)

[-eXtasY-]

I agree about balancing game but not sp. I cannot deny that we had period of imba sentinel and scourge without a chance to win and im a bit sorry for it. We really talked about some time ago and if you took a look you could notice that games are much more balanced. Eg if sns me tay and keny are in game , 2 will be up , 2 down. Same goes with newcommers , and we never put few of them in same team.
That was one of the problems of ss and i think we done something about it.
Again , sp is very stupid... Like yesterday , tay came to play game or two after week or two since he has no time. And now that stupid rule should forbid me to play with my friend? Well no, but we put few good players in scourge and had quite balanced game.

[BonzyIsSexy]

Glad to see you are sorry about games being unbalanced , because like 2-3 months ago you really contributed unbalancing games , by playing every game with hardc0re. I remember playing usually with you 2 on team and always winning , but I felt like ****... any of you guys out there know what I'm talking about , I don't believe anyone ever felt good wining with imbalanced teams vs some random dudes. So actually , nobody gets much from imbalanced games , loser or winer.

[OMGBergrush]

Glad to see you are sorry about games being unbalanced , because like 2-3 months ago you really contributed unbalancing games , by playing every game with hardc0re. I remember playing usually with you 2 on team and always winning , but I felt like ****... any of you guys out there know what I'm talking about
i second that

I don't believe anyone ever felt good wining with imbalanced teams vs some random dudes. So actually , nobody gets much from imbalanced games , loser or winer.
i do. i dont care who they are pwnage is pwnage

[-eXtasY-]

i second that


i do. i dont care who they are pwnage is pwnage

I remember you cried and quited when you played against me tay keny etc.... so please :shh:

[Anderkent]

I remember you cried and quited when you played against me tay keny etc.... so please :shh:

cos he likes to pwn, not to be pwned


edit: as we all do ;p

[ss-Wolf-X]

Oh excuse me maybe xpam pubs are better, nigga please. The fact is SS=>GGC highlevels>GGC pubs but most private rooms are equal or better than ss, players are better but addicts. You go, play game, if u got a problem and have to pause they'll flame you, if you need to leave for some unpostponable personal reason they'll flame you and act sarcastic and ironic. So if you want to make friends, play dota and have fun with it, while still playing decent skilled games, come ss. If you want to be and addict and not chat a word between the 10 games a day, which are played at the best skill you can find, go GGC.

Dont be Stupid :thumbUP: GGC high level rooms have more leavers than ss in a 70% , like i said i played on GGc high level rooms , IHCS , other rooms , all the same , YES! your right GGC high level rooms have more better players then normal public rooms but like i said i played in GGC high level rooms , IHCS and other rooms , im level 33 on GGC i think i played alot on it to reach that level and i speak from experience(< of wide experience/reading).In a normal public GGC game you cant play 1 game without a leaver... maybe if you play 10 games maybe you will play a good game without leavers.HMM! GGC high level rooms there are leavers and n00bs too , evrey noob makes level 15-18 in what 2-3 weeks? He can join the "HIGH LEVEL ROOM"! I played there whole weeks ( GGC high level room ) only thing i can say high level rooms dont even come near ss! i played on ss 3-4 games in a row , clean games without leavers/noobs. In exchange on You allmighty GGc i played 7-8 games in a row on your almighty High level room and from 7-8 games that i played in a row , 4-5 were bullsh**t , 1-2 leavers in evrey game,laggers and so on.So dont come here talking about you know something because you dont know she*t.Like i said SS is a small comunity but with pro/normal playable players.GGC is a very very big comunity with 55% n00bs , 25% leavers , 10% good normal players , 10% pro good players and here i speak of all the players on ggc not only a few rooms.

PS: Nigga please? Are you a nigga ? You wanna try to steal the black culture from the black people or what?Are u considering yourself a white nigger or what? fck.ing smartas*

Sorry for long Post/off-topic just wanted to make some clarification

About On-Topic : like i said dont -rep players because they make little mistakes let them improve and fix there mistakes , SS should remove and ban Safelisted players that are not improving at all there skill and farming and so on. :tiphat: I've Read in this topic alot of good ideas about making Ss a better comunity and improving it.But im not the judge,so good luck with does ideas hope somebody will use them clever/Wise.

Regards,
Your Friendly Wolf-X:thumbUP:

[Sagacity]

One more thing , @Warkoholic , ladder stats means shi.t, litterally.Period. But if that same ladder stimulates players to play more, like we all know ,it does ,
it`s ok :) But please stop pointing out those ladder stats since we all know you are among the us , the worst ss players atm -_-


You are wrong. Warkaholic knows more strategy on dota than 80% of players.

Dota is not only same build, cs, and farming.

Play dota in ar mode for 3 years like i did and then see how is to win a imbalanced game. You would like it more than 10 rd games. Beside i am tired of the sames combo heroes. Think of nice combo bh,riki and pa in same team :)
And the other is zeus,maiden,alchemist.

You think you know the result? don,t be so sure it depends on players and you might be surprised. So from my part the coolest mode is still -ar.


AP was the lamest mode and rd is very close. GO -ar and no one should whine if you are PRO.

[ss-Kenyshor]

I will wine when i'll get riki,bh,pa vs viper, lich, slardar. Ofcourse if viper,lich,slardar are played by toppy,verybad and his company ofcourse I wont whine.

[sublime_]

shadow;

i remember allmost 80% from ss games i played in scourge team(which is not a bad team but all new comers are being swap in scourge)...i never WHINED,cause i like to beat ur ass...do u remember me playing in ur team?? maybe 2-3 games....

same here :) i rly miss ss games .. but i don`t have time to play :(
just few lan games per week ..

for imbalanced games ...Yea we all know that u are on ventrilo friends etc ... but
sometimes is much more funny to pwn some good friends oO ( also is good for balance etc.. ) :tiphat:


@IceBird topyy is topgun i think :)


best regards fancy sublime :)

[EscapeTheFate]

Dont be Stupid :thumbUP: GGC high level rooms have more leavers than ss in a 70% , like i said i played on GGc high level rooms , IHCS , other rooms , all the same , YES! your right GGC high level rooms have more better players then normal public rooms but like i said i played in GGC high level rooms , IHCS and other rooms , im level 33 on GGC i think i played alot on it to reach that level and i speak from experience(< of wide experience/reading)

Man i dont know in what kind of rooms u've entered, i dont know what kind of games u've entered but ur , well, not completely wrong but u are exaggerating things. 1st with the leavers - well ofcourse there will be leavers after all there are 4 high lvl rooms with 225 ppl non stop , or at least most of the time, more ppl -> more leavers. But in my playing experience there there were lets say 15 % - 20 % ruined games cause of noobs, leavers which i think is ok cause its the same situiation like in ss ( bot drops, afk .. ). And bout the level - its same or slightly better than ss cause of the no lag issue. And dont complain about ruined games man , 33 lvl acc means u played with most of the ppl from high level rooms so u will definately know which player has skill and which is mediocre - 1 glimpse on the games created and u can tell where are pro players gathered and where are the newcommers/noobs :). I really cant understand this bashing of ggc, after all , most of u play on SS and GGC and yet you still bash it. Tell me pls if u can make same game , with same ppl on ggc and on xpam will u choose the no lag platform or the constant 1 sec or even more delay

[ss-Wolf-X]

Man i dont know in what kind of rooms u've entered, i dont know what kind of games u've entered but ur , well, not completely wrong but u are exaggerating things. 1st with the leavers - well ofcourse there will be leavers after all there are 4 high lvl rooms with 225 ppl non stop , or at least most of the time, more ppl -> more leavers. But in my playing experience there there were lets say 15 % - 20 % ruined games cause of noobs, leavers which i think is ok cause its the same situiation like in ss ( bot drops, afk .. ). And bout the level - its same or slightly better than ss cause of the no lag issue. And dont complain about ruined games man , 33 lvl acc means u played with most of the ppl from high level rooms so u will definately know which player has skill and which is mediocre - 1 glimpse on the games created and u can tell where are pro players gathered and where are the newcommers/noobs :). I really cant understand this bashing of ggc, after all , most of u play on SS and GGC and yet you still bash it. Tell me pls if u can make same game , with same ppl on ggc and on xpam will u choose the no lag platform or the constant 1 sec or even more delay


What about Time spending to enter a room ? i did speak about all rooms not only high level rooms.
PS: and yes the % of SS ( leavers / flamers / ) is more low then GGC and still in almost evrey game you find a leaver or a n00b that ***** the game Up. like i said i played on GGC(with friends ppl i know that play good,but ofc evreytime a n00b enterd with high level <20 (afk CS) ) 7-8 Games in a row and 5 from them were ruined because of leavers and n00bs , but your right to with your afirmation maybe i had a bad day and all noobs joined my games but this was happening evrey day this is the reason why i also changed GGC to SS , on SS i can play 3-4 games in a row completly nice and with no lag at all , and no intentional leavers. -> This is my opinion ( in any case ) -> case closed sorry for the long off-topic.

on-Topic : Improving SS.1st with some item builds with THE CORRESPONDING HEROES
Info : Items:For Int get mostly Scepter(eul's)/dagger to escape from dangerous enemies.The other scepter for stronger ulti.Guinsoos' Sheep staff:Soulbooster:refresher for good nuke Int heroes only
These are probably the best stuff for Int heroes but dont blow all ur money on these items only if u have spare change for non necessary stuff

Items:for Str Battle Fury,Satanic,Black King Bar,Monkey King bar,Heart of Tarrasque..these are the best for str and yet the same advice for the Int stuff

Items:for Agil ,Butterfly,Desolater.Lothar's edge,Crystalys,Good stuff for agil
(SAME ADVICE)

KEEP IN MIND THAT THOSE ITEMS ARE GOOD WITH THE CORRESPONDING HEROES TEST OUT THEIR USES ON CUSTOM GAME IF U WANT MAKE SURE THE ITEMS WORKS WELL WITH THE HERO
Well there is an exception for The Heroes to make items such as str going for butterfly,shiva(agi or int items).Str Hero making agi or int items.
PS : I only say this because i've seen alot of ppl on #ss making stupid builds,this dosent count for old players or good/normal players that know this things, only for the ones with lack of skillbuild

[Ogi.]

But please stop pointing out those ladder stats since we all know you are among us , the worst ss players atm -_-
You are wrong. Warkaholic knows more strategy on dota than 80% of players.

As i see, i never said he doesn`t knows about DotA strategy, i just said that he isn`t competent to judge someone`s gameplay according to SS ladder stats, especiallly because
you are among us , the worst ss players atm -_-
No offence Saga, and Warka too, didn`t mean to be rude, was just expressing my point of view.
And @few posts above me, stop fighting about ggc - xpam relations in this thread, you are ruining the thread point :(

[[gdl]shadow]

You are wrong. Warkaholic knows more strategy on dota than 80% of players.

Dota is not only same build, cs, and farming.

Play dota in ar mode for 3 years like i did and then see how is to win a imbalanced game. You would like it more than 10 rd games. Beside i am tired of the sames combo heroes. Think of nice combo bh,riki and pa in same team :)
And the other is zeus,maiden,alchemist.

You think you know the result? don,t be so sure it depends on players and you might be surprised. So from my part the coolest mode is still -ar.


AP was the lamest mode and rd is very close. GO -ar and no one should whine if you are PRO.

:) about the builds yea its pretty funny here that if u make a "bad" build u get -rep or even banned.imo thats crap...if ur team pick of heroes isnt balanced ...for example 3 strenght and 2 agility ....one of those strenght has to be support ....to get a hex or smth :).... allmost 25% of str heroes with hex are imba....EarthShaker...DragonKnight.....Tiny...Rexx ar....Abadont etc.

:noob:

[Mr.7error]

Wolf, I used to think you are not dumb but I've seen to come to a dilema. I said GGC high level rooms are mostly worse and some equal maybe to ss. IF you play on RO high level room, acces level 10 ofc you will get nothing more than a pub. If you play on EU high level 23 you will find maybe better games than in 50% of ss cause noobs simply don't know, don't enter, can't enter.

IHCS, good PRIVATE ROOMS, you're saying they have leavers and noobs? Then you can go jump trough the window. There are 1% leaves in those games, true noobs maybe don't exist at all. 90% of those games are certainly better than 90% of ss games. If you were an isolated stupid kid with no friends, no connections, no knoledge of good rooms ofc you failed to play some good games. But as I said, the personality of people there is lacking major social skills.

Please, cut the asslick off with ur mod-like comments and blind defending. Its not a shame ss is worse than those upper mentioned, its just natural, just people here are better.

About time to enter rooms, get "autoclick" program from the web and you will find it much more easier.

Btw your lvl33 account owns, too bad you know **** about GGc. So please, "don't be stupid :thumbUP:" and f.uck off.

P.S. "Nigga please" is an expression to adress TO an african-american, not by one, so I see you're trying to be kewl again. I used it in a friendly, ironic manner and didn't want to express any resentment. You can go throw yourself out the window again.

Edit by tAy: Again? WTF :D

ps i think u deleted some other post adressed to compunut :D u or some other mod, dont del them tay :D or ull fail exam

Edit by tAy: fufuf it was keny or anom xD

[IceBird]

ps i think u deleted some other post adressed to compunut :D u or some other mod, dont del them tay :D or ull fail exam

what post? where? deleted? darn i didnt get a chance to see it ! mods pl0x dont delete i want to see what posts are addressed to me anyway.
well anyway i dont see how discussion on improving level of ss changed to comparison of HLRs of ggc vs ss.

[Sns]

on-Topic : Improving SS.1st with some item builds with THE CORRESPONDING HEROES
Info : Items:For Int get mostly Scepter(eul's)/dagger to escape from dangerous enemies.The other scepter for stronger ulti.Guinsoos' Sheep staff:Soulbooster:refresher for good nuke Int heroes only
These are probably the best stuff for Int heroes but dont blow all ur money on these items only if u have spare change for non necessary stuff

Items:for Str Battle Fury,Satanic,Black King Bar,Monkey King bar,Heart of Tarrasque..these are the best for str and yet the same advice for the Int stuff

Items:for Agil ,Butterfly,Desolater.Lothar's edge,Crystalys,Good stuff for agil
(SAME ADVICE)
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This is advice you can give to a player who is playing his first dota game... don't underestimate #ss players, I guess if they know at least safelisted that it's better to make Intel/Support item for Intel hero, Str item for Str hero and Agi/Dmg item for Agi hero : |

It's much more complicated than that, and don't ask to explain = P

Wolf, I used to think you are not dumb but I've seen to come to a dilema. I said GGC high level rooms are mostly worse and some equal maybe to ss. IF you play on RO high level room, acces level 10 ofc you will get nothing more than a pub. If you play on EU high level 23 you will find maybe better games than in 50% of ss cause noobs simply don't know, don't enter, can't enter.

IHCS, good PRIVATE ROOMS, you're saying they have leavers and noobs? Then you can go jump trough the window. There are 1% leaves in those games, true noobs maybe don't exist at all. 90% of those games are certainly better than 90% of ss games. If you were an isolated stupid kid with no friends, no connections, no knoledge of good rooms ofc you failed to play some good games. But as I said, the personality of people there is lacking major social skills.

Please, cut the asslick off with ur mod-like comments and blind defending. Its not a shame ss is worse than those upper mentioned, its just natural, just people here are better.

About time to enter rooms, get "autoclick" program from the web and you will find it much more easier.

Btw your lvl33 account owns, too bad you know **** about GGc. So please, "don't be stupid :thumbUP:" and f.uck off.

P.S. "Nigga please" is an expression to adress TO an african-american, not by one, so I see you're trying to be kewl again. I used it in a friendly, ironic manner and didn't want to express any resentment. You can go throw yourself out the window again.

Edit by tAy: I'M GA.Y? WTF :D

ps i think u deleted some other post adressed to compunut :D u or some other mod, dont del them tay :D or ull fail exam

Edit by tAy: fufuf it was keny or anom xD

I agree 300% !

I'd add, please wolf stop with those % like you are making some really serious statisc studies about everything...

[2fuckingbitch]

Wolf can u pls stop talk bull****s about GGc ?
If u played there and u got pwned that is not our problem .
Stop talk that lies like GGC HIGH LVL ROOM SUX or IHCS SUX , i play in dota gaming room and there is very good players .
If u like games where u farm 60 min and no1 gang u then ... n/c for u.
Next time first think then write post. Btw I saw also sns play there on ggc and devicem , and a lot of others old good players.SO pls if u was noob there or u dont like it because some reason dont talk that ****s here.
I am sick of ppl who talk some bull****s .....
If ggc is that big **** why all ppl move there ?
Lol ... I more prefer xpam because of friends and because i play here 3 years [since i was noob] so that dont give me reason or chance to say that ggc sux or that there are noobs because that is BIG LIE !

[Bilis]

from last posts we could make a movie "all against the wolf"

p.s. on dota-gaming, sp.palit and ihcs you can find v.v.v. good dota games, but 90% of those people have average i.q. bellow 80 and they talk before they think. That's why i prefer ss before ggc

[Warkaholic]

@Ogi. : no worries, I'm not so "disturbed" this week :beer:

20 more losses then wins (your case) still were not 1/4 win/loss ratio, isn't it? I consider as normal any other superior ratios...I'm sure you got it since the first time I said it, but you just want to increase ur posts number :noob:

Less than 25% wins can mean one of 2 things: either imbalanced games or bad player. Anyway, a "must keep an eye on him" player. My oppinion :D (pa'e'ea mea...hic!)

[devicem]

p.s. on dota-gaming, sp.palit and ihcs you can find v.v.v. good dota games, but 90% of those people have average i.q. bellow 80 and they talk before they think. That's why i prefer ss before ggc

I don't know if I.Q. equals manners, but that's what is missing there, in fact that is what is missing everywhere, and there's only one good reasonable explanation for that. Those people hardly have something called real life socialization and prefer to unleash their fury over the internet, cause nobody can say anything to them except be silent and amaze their pitiness, hoping that some day they will realize their mistake -.-

[Sagacity]

I don't know if I.Q. equals manners, but that's what is missing there, in fact that is what is missing everywhere, and there's only one good reasonable explanation for that. Those people hardly have something called real life socialization and prefer to unleash their fury over the internet, cause nobody can say anything to them except be silent and amaze their pitiness, hoping that some day they will realize their mistake -.-

So true you took my words from my keyboard :beer:

[ss-Wolf-X]

True , True
Final Post : like i said it was my opinion..dont jump to conclusions.. and read posts more carefull nextime. 10x

PS : terror auto-clicker wount get you into a high level room if there are 230/255 players in the Room and like i said u need to wait 10-15min only to enter a room.And i said it and i say it again ggc sucks :> . About making a Movie of Me , guess im gone be $$$

Dont need comments potatos :>