Death penalty

[Smurf]

Haven't really documented about it lately ,but last time i did check,USA was applying death penalty for all kind of satanic killers,vicious rapers,serial killers and so on.
Don't know any country that does agree with it.However,i'm probably mistaken.
What do you feel about it ?
Is it a good thing ?
Killing all those murderers,for doing bad things,facts that can be wrong some times,or proofs faked ?
Their family .. do they deserve it ?
Taking one's life is equal to getting yourself killed ? Even if you did or didn't do it ?
Will you still go to Heaven,if you 'paid' for the crimes you did by your own life ?
Will the death of the murderer ease in any way the pain of the victim's family ?
If that family wants the killer dead and the state doesn't apply the death penalty,would they be empowered,or better said .. right to kill that man by themselves ?
I know about roman ancient times .. who ever committed a murder was either caught and judged by trial or even if someone else killed him first,that someone would be set free,with no punishment whatsoever.
Discuss.
Further comments/documentation along the way.

[perito]

killer should be killed.

[Smurf]

Would you like to comment your reply ?
4 words won't do ..

[kranz]

if u find a way of killing someone without making him suffer-ok for death penalty but since there is no such way nowadays I say no-life imprisonment will do. it was also proven that d.pen. didn't scare those guys e.g usa-d.pen. in most of states(all?)and crime level like hell...

[KeweLi]

There is no way USA would allow capital punishment Smurf. Although their democracy is not as great as they say, proceeding in the death penalty will be against what they have been doing (more so in the Coldwar).

Back to the point... I personally do not believe in it and I would prefer something like an exile. All people make mistakes, and there are moments in life when good hearted people make bad choices at the wrong moment.

[Smurf]

Not at all,Kew.
Check this out : http://deathpenaltyinfo.org/
USA is applying death penalty for as long i heard of it.
And about the exile part ..
Exile where ?
From that country to another one,so he can keep on spicing his acts with 'targets' talking another language ?
Or you mean some other place, deserted,forsaken place type ?

[IceBird]

There is no way USA would allow capital punishment Smurf. Although their democracy is not as great as they say, proceeding in the death penalty will be against what they have been doing (more so in the Coldwar)

incorrect info kew. we have had death penalty for a long time now although the methods are quite different from whaat u would see in third world countries. and it isnt in anyway against our constitution.

Back to the point... I personally do not believe in it and I would prefer something like an exile. All people make mistakes, and there are moments in life when good hearted people make bad choices at the wrong moment.

exile... what if the person returns to the same country after the exile and continues the same thing? what if he commits anti social acts in the host country offering the exile? then would u exile him to mars or something?

[[GOD]Marko]

Death brings nothing.

[Mustafar]

We already had this ****in discussion.

I'll say it again - Slavery is a better choice to make those murderers useful.

[Smurf]

But it also breaks one of the most vital social rules in the world : freedom.
You'll say 'so does jail ',but we don't really know the treatments prisoners get at the lockup,may it be bad or good,but i'm pretty sure the PR strategy is kinda bad,since media will be all over the place, ' Murderers being treated as mutants !! ' , ' They are human too !! ',etc ..
And what do you intend on using them ?
Working for ?
You do know most of those vicious killers are being held in top security prisons .. bringing them out of there increases the chances of escaping.
And no,you didn't have this ****ing discussion with me.

[obey.my.dreamz]

Im actually against death penalty myself,..but i would invent some much more painful torturing tools ,so that death penalty would look like a simple gaMe!!

[Bonzy]

We already had this ****in discussion.

I'll say it again - Slavery is a better choice to make those murderers useful.

many people cant find a job these days when everything is done by machines , and slavery would just reduce it. so it's not a good idea

[Mr.7error]

Death is the only single way to prevent them from recidivating. They had a bad day, bad choices, moment-insanity, psychopaths, I don't really care, as long as they kill a child, slice him into 10 pieces and feed them to the ravens, I would personally put a bullet in their head.(That was just an example)

[LoveHurts]

well ,well ...nice topic

First i want everyone imagine this : your little daughter is caught and tortured to death by some pedofile maniac or smth . Dont u wish to see that a**hole in the ground??

I see the punishment like this : If u kill someone young ,on purpose, then yes ,you deserve death penalty . If you were drunk ,or u killed someone accidentaly ,then u deserve 15-25 years.

[Smurf]

I'm just curios .. would you guys feel the same if some of your relatives or someone close to you would be on a death row ?
Would you try saving him or just let him die like a dog,since he murdered someone,out of accident or not ?

[Mustafar]

I'm just curios .. would you guys feel the same if some of your relatives or someone close to you would be on a death row ?
Would you try saving him or just let him die like a dog,since he murdered someone,out of accident or not ?

I'd use any means necessary to save him. I don't give a **** who she/he killed as long as we're of the same blood.

[Smurf]

So your principles suffer of some kind of selfish metamorphosis,when someone close to you might be on the line.
Pretty interesting,i might say ^^
So the beast has a heart indeed :)

[IceBird]

So the beast has a heart indeed :)

post of the year and 1000% truth ;);)
but i do say once again that only the worst of crimes which degrade human morality should be punished.

[TBK.Goldy]

As a lawyer i can say that a death penalty is (or would be) a worthy mean of repression in a highly populated contries like the U.S. or China, or Arabic countries etc. It would be flaud to reinforce it in for ex. Croatia which has only 4.5 mio. ppl and the prevention/repression system works fine already on this imginary percent of criminals. If you hypothesize that there are 10% of criminals in any country, the difference between f.e. Cro and USA would be 400.000 to 30. milion ppl. So the state legislative has to deal with vast number of criminals and to enpower stronger laws to prevent and to scare others to commit crimes... also dealing with state heritage in laws, religious opinions, and the general voice of the citizens.

[KeweLi]

Wow I am so surprised you Americans are into capital punishment. After all, in the American Revolution and days when democracy was set up there, they clearly were against this. If I can remember clearly, the guide lines of John Locke, Rousseau, and Voltaire are against this. And they were the philisophers behind your system.

I know that exiling someone is impossible now days. I was thinking of times when the British exiled their cons to Australia and the New World etc. The thing I was trying to say was that the death penalty does not work. I don't see what it brings.

[IceBird]

ideas of voltaire rosseu milton etc etc were a long time back. they no longer hold in today's world clearly kew.
sure in those days yes exile them somewhere or even a half a century back some of our worst criminals were imprisoned in alcatraz but the number is just too many to have that kind of high security prisons and keep in mind the amount of security required

[Mr.7error]

I'm just curios .. would you guys feel the same if some of your relatives or someone close to you would be on a death row ?
Would you try saving him or just let him die like a dog,since he murdered someone,out of accident or not ?

Hellooo, I'm talking about sick premeditated murders, from psychos. Ofcourse, if it was by accident or so it shouldn't be punished so bad, regular jail would do. And yes, if someone close to me would react the same, I would agree with such a punishment. If you chose such people to be your closeones, then you are to blame too. If it's relatives, then it's a tragedy but nonetheless punishable.

[Smurf]

Hellooo, I'm talking about sick premeditated murders, from psychos. Ofcourse, if it was by accident or so it shouldn't be punished so bad, regular jail would do. And yes, if someone close to me would react the same, I would agree with such a punishment. If you chose such people to be your closeones, then you are to blame too. If it's relatives, then it's a tragedy but nonetheless punishable.
Temporarily insanity might be considered a mental accident,right ?
Based on high 'voltage' stress or extreme situations.
Also,you can kill hundreds or even thousands people by accident and still be convicted to death penalty.
Plus,let's not even talk about fake proves and so on ..
You're basically not thinking right and not putting yourself in the actual hypothetical context.
Think of your father,the one that walked you down to school while you were 7 yo being accused of a brutal murder.
Now try it.

[Kominterna]

Death penalty

me against.

reasons:

- killing bad thing
- waste of money by making expensive substances for instant kill, gases
- sux

It would be better to force a person which did a bad things on labor, work work work work work and make smth constructive to be used for smth
dead sux, no dead hard prison, feeding 235326897 prisoners not expensive, they can plant food for themselves lol and yea...

Good side of it is that there will be less crime/prime, coz noone wants to die lul ;IO omg

[Mr.7error]

me against.

reasons:

- killing bad thing
- waste of money by making expensive substances for instant kill, gases
- sux

It would be better to force a person which did a bad things on labor, work work work work work and make smth constructive to be used for smth
dead sux, no dead hard prison, feeding 235326897 prisoners not expensive, they can plant food for themselves lol and yea...

Good side of it is that there will be less crime/prime, coz noone wants to die lul ;IO omg

Actually money for a lethal injection is ridiculously low, search for it. If you dont kill such a psycho serial killer, he will most likely strike again the person the it the most close to him, his jail guard, any1 that comes in contact with him, and you just can't take that risk.

[Kominterna]

Don't you believe in second chance ? :P

Yea, it's delicate subject.

It would be even better to take them as experimental rats. haha

Why testing some medications on animals or even inosent humans (in secret) when there's a bunch of psychos :)

But the point is, whatever someone will decide to do with criminals there will always be someone who will find such treatment unappropriate.
If you kill them, there is church and variety of ''morally and ethically'' enlightened ppl
If you don't kill them, there's is unplesent society and fear and much more, and my Eng sux

[Mr.7error]

That's true, all of world's people will never come to an agreement relating death penalty. The fact is that who kills one, accidentally, is given an average punisment. The one who kills one, on purpose, is given a harsher penalty, but not death by any means, worst can be life in prison without perole. The one who kills a lot of people will probably kill until he is stopped so the only way to deal with that for sure is death penalty. :)

[TBK.Goldy]

The one who kills a lot of people will probably kill until he is stopped so the only way to deal with that for sure is death penalty. :)

yes, no matter what you say, it's proved that some people can't be rehabilitated, and f.e. american legal system enabling the death penalty just shows how they deal with criminals of the worst sort, and you mustn't take the U.S. as the general "uni-form" state, cuz that it is not - but the law of the U.S. consists of so called interlocal federal state laws, where only some of them practise DP (death penalty) and some don't. So regarding to that it's the "local rules" (wild west) that govern the mini laws of those who encourage DP.

[[VoX]Innos]

Question : what if your father kills your mother ,not by accident and not drunk, would you give him another chance? Would u still want to see him ?

The ones that kill by accident dont deserve death penalty ,but if u kill on purpose then yes ,u should get death penalty.
Maybe one day ,one of your relative ,children will get brutaly killed by a pedofile or w/e ,and u will realise that these kind of people who kill for pleasure deserve death penalty . ( if it`s not by accident ,then it`s pleasure or revenge)

And yes ,if one of my friends /relative would kill someone (not by accident) then i wouldnt care for him /her. I`m glad that i dont know this kind of persons :D

[Mr.7error]

I've already said, if my father was to kill my mother, not under any drugs, medicin, alchool, other halucinogens and on purpose, I would give him life in prison without perole and would neverl like to see him again. The ones that kill premeditated but once should not be given death penalty but just life in prison. Serial killers are the ones that need that kind of punishment.

[[GOD]Marko]

As I said, death brings only pain, the one that hurt others cannot rest in peace. In case of sick people, they need help of course.

[[LOA]Kyree]

Agree with death penalty for people that comits crimes with high cruelty and without care like :rapers,pedofilia,mass murderers(example:hitler,osama,sadam,etc),serial killers(like we saw in the "Milenium" tv series,if someone saw that series),etc.
They dont deserve our pitty and compasion.They deserve the most slowly and painfull death and they deserve to be "forgotten".

Sorry my bad writting..etc...

Cyas

[[GOD]Marko]

No one deserves death, you are so wrong and dull. Everyone eventually do die in the end.

[[LOA]Kyree]

Marko;777198']No one deserves death, you are so wrong and dull. Everyone eventually do die in the end.

And if i come to your home take a axe and start slauthering ur familly,cutting ur familly in pieces and put them in the fridge and waiting to prepare dinner with them u will think the same?
There are some categories of people that doesnt deserve any pitty and compasion.
I ask u one question: For example why it was needed to die so many innocent people in september 11 only couse osama hadded some conflicts with bush?Why old,young(even baby),middle age people,almost 5k people if i remember right,all kind of nationality(even my kind),needed to die?So it was written in the "BOOK of FATE" that theyr life should end in 5 seconds?Who decide that?GOD or osama?U or me?
Damm u maked me so angry,i must drink a coffee... :smile3:

[phaNtom.]

If u ask me, every person that does that, should be(by my opinion) punished with death penalty, cause nobody didnt make them to do that, so if they want to kill ppl, they should be punished SAME WAY!