pit lord

[sscorpion66]

guys one week now i was wondering one thing.what is best about pit lord?arcane ring or perseverce?my opinion persevernce cause with 1800 g you get hp regen and enouhg mana regen(with one null talisman is perfect).some others ppl saying arcane ring(which is 1500g and only gives you mana.) better.so plz write opinions.

[[RO]Claudiu]

perseverence can be upgraded to battlefurry and bf is way better than arcane , and seeing as how bf has become cheaper than before it is a little matter of time and very little effort to make it from perseverence .

perseverence gives u enough mana to farm and if you have basilius it gives u enough mana reg

[-eXtasY-]

Battle fury on pit lord? hmmmm what for?
Ofcourse that arcane is much better choice since you have 4 mana requiring spells and it will increase you mana pool and allow you to constantly cast your spells with recharge. It will benefit your team in gangs/pushes, also. For hp regeneration get tangos.

[Bonzy]

Yes , and battlefury on pit is kind of useless , because he is not meant to be damage-on-hit hero , he is meant to be
1.spell based disable/nuker with his aoe disable/2 aoe nukes
2.a tank with easily farmed heart of Tarasque after the arcane which allows him to farm with spells
3.supporter in smaller amount with his ultimate and even bigger supporter if there really isn't any other in team because he is a type of hero that farms easily and isn't really item dependent , so he can ward+go for meka+hex , buy a chicken/crow/crow lvl2
4.pusher because he can kill upcoming wave with his aoe spell(s) and use his ultimate to push also

I am sorry if you find my long post about pit bothering , but instead of just answering on your question , I kinda felt like making an expanded explanation...

[Anderkent]

Not to mention that while perverserance only boosts your regeneration, ar restores mana in a considerable aoe, which may help your other casters.

[TBK.Goldy]

i voted for arcane, cuz when you obtain it - its neverending rain of fire. Similar when you get arcane for shaker. Constant bombardment.

[Kava]

arcane ...

[IOwnYouAll]

why not get both?(scratch that...that was stupid :p)

well i voted for persev. make fury satanic and smth for atackspeed and he's a real killing machine

lots of times when i was playing and recived him(ar mostly,altough i picked him a cople of times in ap) ppl were saying REPICK...USELESS HERO,in mid and lategame i was abel to do 1v1 with almost any hero(going for bfury)

[Bonzy]

Yeah , well , that's a pub...

[sscorpion66]

Perseverance vs. Arcane ring
Arcane ring
Pros.

1. Gives a virtually infinite mana pool with replenish.

2.Gives slight armor.

3. Replenishes allies too.
Cons

1. Loses value as Pit lord starts to get more mana and regen from items and leveling.

2. Pit lord needs more than just mana. And that is all arcane ring provides.

3.Cannot be made into a new item.
Perseverance
Pros

1. Gives lots of mana regen making for easy spamming.

2. Gives hp regen to keep pit lords health up so he can stay in lane.

3. Gives slight damage.

4. Makes into battlefury later on.

5. Does not lose value as pit levels up.
Cons

1. Does not give as much mana regen as arcane rings replenish early on.

ok i found this at internet searching guides for pit lord.here something a guy wrote at dota strategy.com.
also the link here as i copied from my browser to see the full strategy(http://www.dotastrategy.com/strategy-12686-Coco616sTripleCirclesofDeathRemastered.html?sid=e6 d13234f87a97bc568e931fb7dd18db it also explain why pit does not need last hit(and you farm with skills,i hope some ppl reading,including the person critisize me).some comments also are there.at any case perse not useless
versus arcane but i like perse for the reasons it explains better at the guide and i told at the first post.so search you too at internet also to see what the majority of ppl at world think.and goldy here it also speaks of bombardment:P

[OMGBergrush]

it also explain why pit does not need last hit(and you farm with skills,i hope some ppl reading,including the person critisize me).some comments also are there

pit lord has one of the highest base damages if not the highest on start and he has a good animation although he lacks attack speed but excels in last hitting so why discard such an advantage? you know that arcane/perseverance isnt going to farm itself you need to last hit good in order to get it asap and even when you have it remember that while mana may not be a problem spells still have a cd and you dont want your ass ganked and raped because you farmed all the time using your spells like some noob. and ill say it again anyone who says last hit is not needed or obsolete is a noob

[-eXtasY-]

sofDeathRemastered.html?sid=e6d13234f87a97bc568e93 1fb7dd18db (http://www.dotastrategy.com/strategy-12686-Coco616sTripleCirclesofDeathRemastered.html?sid=e6 d13234f87a97bc568e931fb7dd18db) it also explain why pit does not need last hit(and you farm with skills,i hope some ppl reading,including the person critisize me).some comments also are there.at any case perse not useless
versus arcane but i like perse for the reasons it explains better at the guide and i told at the first post.so search you too at internet also to see what the majority of ppl at world think.and goldy here it also speaks of bombardment:P

FIrst of all if some average player made a guide you shouldnt take it as bible, i dont see anything what would prove that hes better player then any of us.

About last hit , its one of the most stupid things i heard recently. Rain SHOULD NOT be constantly used on creeps. Why? Well because you will masivly push , be close to enemy tower and very fragile to gangs. Something what every decent player evade to do. Share a line with a good disabler and use your spells to kill or at least send to heal or put outside of XP range, not farm. You have great base dmg with nice hp and you should use it
I really don't care what majority speaks , bfury will never be a good item for pit. Hes not meant to be dps except in noobish pubs. He is very good tank and supporter also (arcane + wards + maybe even meka)

p.s. i see you are aiming to test game where i denied you. I wouldn't take perservance as big mistake , but you made both venguard and it, so it was a CLEAR waste. Venguard+arcane - not bad since you get both mana and hp pool/regen,
perservance+venguard - big no since you get mass hp regen what you dont really need for so much money without any mana pool improve (what you DO need).

[[RO]Claudiu]

O_O i made that choice thinking of a 1v1 game , i mean pittlord vs pittlord .

in a team arcane is better ffs next time specify . in team games arcane is better than perseverence on pittlord

[-toXic-]

CLAUDIU;767924']O_O i made that choice thinking of a 1v1 game , i mean pittlord vs pittlord .

in a team arcane is better ffs next time specify . in team games arcane is better than perseverence on pittlord

well its not better.Preservance and fast battle furry(love to make it).
And if u go on arcane first u can say good bye.

[-eXtasY-]

Please make fury in a ss game toxic

[m1sha]

hex >> arcane >> perseverance :D

[-toXic-]

Please make fury in a ss game toxic

yes sir:)
i see him as a killer who will gank.U will get big reg mana from fury and dmg also.Dont see what's big deal to make him fury.
What u suggest?I mean to make of him fast killing machine?Not to mention if u manage to success in that he become killing machine and (fact)hes one of the best defending heros + good pusher (team hero).

[sscorpion66]

ok finally i have come to a conclusion.let suppose at lvl5 you can have ar or persevernce.i saw the mana regen/sec and it is 2.18at lvl5.At lvl11 it becomes 3.46 mana per sec.arcane ring gives +115 mana every 33sec(gives 135 mana with cd 33sec and 20 manacost if i remember right)so 115/33=3.48mana per sec.so for mana regen as it seems better arcane ring.so numbers show the answer clearly now and i understand me too why.i hope and others guys now will understand that arcane is better for mana regen.then for hp regen tangos until 6 or 7(4 may be enough)and until then i think a ring of health can easily be farmed and then make vanguard.
finally yes extasy i though of it cause the one of 3 things i denied.i could not understand why perseverence at pit a reason to deny someone(what is this big deal and the big difference with ar that make perse useless)?the other 2 things ok.now i see with numbers that this is a reason if you have told this way there or here or someone arcane fun make it with math it will be easier for ppl to see what is better.and i post the link not to tell that this guy better of you or someone at ss or something like that just to check some opinions cause there was the opinion of the guide writer and from the ppl who comment on it.and sorry if you felt offence from my side with this thread i just make it to see if other ppl too say arcane and why(which is the importand thing).sorry for long post:P

[Bonzy]

If you really think that you will be able to make more than 5 normal hits in some team fight with pitlord in decent ss game , than my friend think twice.

[DrunkElf]

The replies here have given the answer to this post.

So im off topic and Im here to flame sscoprion65:noob::laugh:
Hes just a friend and i have to say this also
DrunkElf 8===D sscorpion65 :laugh::laugh:
I hope u remember this:funny:

Regards to all
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[FLaMeSeeKeR]

hex >> arcane >> perseverance :D
Yes :)
Perseverance don't gives You instant mana boost like Arcane ring :D
Absolutly Arcane ring, and after some hp regen ;)

[[RO]Claudiu]

well its not better.Preservance and fast battle furry(love to make it).
And if u go on arcane first u can say good bye.

well u cant give mana to ur team mates with battlefurry/perseverence and if u make arcane its perfect for farming with those aoe spells therefore u can make any item .

afterall in 5v5 games ar > perseverence . case closed .

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offtopic:

Please make fury in a ss game toxic

and whats that suposed to mean :) is it forbidden to make bf on pittlord in ss ? i make it all the time on pittlord and after bf i make burizza and satanic , perfect for pushing , the enemy creeps die from 2-3 strikes :) and one more thing i love about bf on pitt is that it modifies his attack :) makes some green poison animation splashing from the weapon

edit : here is an example build for pittlord :) i left that empty space just to leave a variation :) id fill it with cuirass/dagger/bkb/linken etc depending on what i need

[LifeDrainer[RO]]

giving examples of builds with who you own public games is 100% irelevant....i had 20-0 or so score with pudge with aganim and refresher, does that mean those items are good for pudge?...in a decent game fury on pitlord is simply wrong

[-toXic-]

well i can also combine preservance to make some other item.Its good for starting to dominate a line.U can get some hits and hp reg mana reg.You only calculate how many mana u gain?What about hp?115/33x3.46=114.18 almost the same + hp that u reg + and u can combine preservance to make some items but ar cant!

[Mr.7error]

Perseverance >> BattleFury is just wrong on pitlord, his natural attack speed is ridiculous this making cleaving is just WRONG. However, making linken's in these new versions just come natural in my opinion, you need that hp boost also, it gives all that u need. Even refresher wouldn't be such a stupid build with 6 secs of dissable and constant nuking in that time. Bfury is a nono. Get it trough your minds, pitlord is a support-tank hero, so his role will be to support and tank. Items correct for him are linkens, skadi maybe, travel, necronomicon, (arcane), guinsoo.

[sscorpion66]

toxic 3.46 have perseverence at lvl11 if we suppose you have no other items that boost mana regen or int..the other if we suppose you press every 33 seconds this is why i am doing 115/33 to see how much per sec gives so we can compare same things.and you will use these items perse or ar at lvl5-11 will be valuable then for hp regen you should have others items more than perse.i start this post cause i though they(ar and perse) have not big difference at mana/sec and yesterday i did the maths and they have.with tangos and then vanguard at lvl7 i think is good as wrote at my previous post.and claudio pit does not need bf to make dmg,i usually not combine perse.with his first and third skill he makes huge dmg and you have it from lvl6-7 if you not open ulti.this is what i think now from yesterday.arcane,vanguard and then you make fully threads(you may buy boots at lvl8),after tarasque.
offtopic:
drunkelf i have told you so many times sscorpion65 8=====Drunkelf
it goes perfect with you first letter:Pthey stuck:P

[ribacbacri]

Since pit lord is a pusher arcane is just natural to him, and when i play him i always make ar, but even if i took preservance, i wouldn't make bf, only 2 items that could be good to make of preservance for him are linken and bloodstone.

P.S. PT on Pit is defintaly NoNo! BoT much better, combined whit his ulty makes mass lane jump perfect.

[just][meE]

perseverence for sure :)

[IceBird]

;768108']i had 20-0 or so score with pudge with aganim and refresher,

lie :|
score was 0-20 ;)

[Tito]

Arcane ring/perservance/bot and then of the perservance you make refresher or linken, depends of what you need. After that again depends of what you need you go HoT or vyse. Pit lord is not that good in chest to chest fights. His job is catch his opponents with the creeps and cast all 3 spells on them. If their team doesn't have a meskansm, they will be at 30%hp till they get to your base.

[glop2]

Pitlord + Arcane + Enigma in lane = GG I LEAVE RMK PLEASE


BattleFury on Pitlord is like Lothar's Edge on Riki : why some pityful AOE item on the AOE-king hero?? And more important : Why Damage Item on Support-caster tank?

Arcane >>>> BattleFury

[KINGLEVORIC_97]

depend if u wanne go linken or hex vanguard : pers

abaut arcane i rather have rob and a void for eul or hex or smtn

[tigernic]

with arcane in the start you dont need to get in combat only cast spels and you make money , sow you make mor money with arcane after a good item is perseverance-battlefury.
in the start i chose arcane but depending on the game if you are tank chose perseverance and hp boost.

[KINGLEVORIC_97]

OMG U NOBS

why make batlefury on this hero try explain me pls

u think it good to make 2 OMGWOWSPLASH hits under his aoe stun or to disable enemy/give mana team/anything else

?

[IOwnYouAll]

Pitlord + Arcane + Enigma in lane = GG I LEAVE RMK PLEASE


BattleFury on Pitlord is like Lothar's Edge on Riki : why some pityful AOE item on the AOE-king hero?? And more important : Why Damage Item on Support-caster tank?

Arcane >>>> BattleFury

he's the AOE king only in PG...in dota he doesen't have AOE

in dota , the AOE kings are sven and magnus...oh and mb u can put davion,in eldar dragon form


with arcane in the start you dont need to get in combat only cast spels and you make money , sow you make mor money with arcane after a good item is perseverance-battlefury.
in the start i chose arcane but depending on the game if you are tank chose perseverance and hp boost.
yea well...talk about last hit/deny skill
OMG U NOBS

why make batlefury on this hero try explain me pls

u think it good to make 2 OMGWOWSPLASH hits under his aoe stun or to disable enemy/give mana team/anything else

?

what? try in chinese,maybee we will understand better

[sscorpion66]

guys as i see you are arguing about if bf is for pit lord or not.it is not for pit lord cause your job at 5v5 is to cast the spells and go front to tank for 5-8 secs.after around 8 secs the 5v5 battle will be over and pit lord can not make much damage in small period.leave this to the carry or generaly at the dps heroes at your team.the best is ar,bot and then hot or cuirass or shivas.

[[VG]King]

perseverence

[[BfBt]Goxx]

ofc perseverence..

[phaNtom.]

Ofc pers. then make bf, then he can farm 5k gold in 10 damn minuts ;/
Most imba nuker FTW!

[yotaras]

ofc perseverance then battlefury and then you can go to 5v5 battles and hit your enemies 2 times?NICE and then dead before you even know it...
pit lord--> supporter/tank!

[Fika[F]]

simple as this, he got almost best farming/aoe dmg spells in game, so why make splash attack on him... when you can do that with your spells? waste of gold, imo he is a very flexible hero, he can fill in a gap that a team needs, he can be tank if he farms hot, suport if he farms guinso/shivan, or what the hell he farms fast... he can be turned into a killing machine(warning pubs only).


btw i once owned with nevermroe in a pub so my opinion very good!

[G@le]

Because pit lord can't farm, get on him Battlefury and Radiance so he can farm up his itemz!!!11one * sarcasm *
When i play him i often go arcane asap, and then rush HoT for the team, and maybe linkens after that. It makes u tank + support and u fulfill ur role, and sure u can buy battlefury and get 2 hits off in his AOE disable, but it is GOOD, it has DMG and SPLASH!!!!11 Getting bfury on him is similar to getting orchid on CM - sure u won't suck with it in pubs, but in team game u need other better items

[MaN-O-WaR]

Where i play ppl tend to make 2xbracer and sheepstick. In 95% of games its everything we can farm coz we r newbs and dont farm with this hero, but involve in mid-game team fights/defend towers/push/buy wards and only our carry farms :(

Now to be serious why u ever make any dmg items on him? His ias is just terrible. His role is to support, deal dmg using his aoe spells in team fights, clear creep waves during pushes and sieges.

Arcane is not that good on him imho, as he doesnt need that much mana for early game, coz simply he is not as good ganker like i.e. zeus and u will be lasthitting anyway instead of farming with spells coz u dont wanna have your lane pushed and beeing vulnerable to ganks.

[darkprince27]

I think perseverence because pers can be upgraded to bf and give good health reg and mana reg

[G@le]

Maybe buy 3 BF it's 105% cleave OMG!

[Tkc]Fear]

No boots! 6 BF!!111!

[G@le]

And buy 6 BF on your chicken or crow too bcoz it rox!!!11