Should BD be allowed?

[basics]

What do u think?
Personally i`m for it, yes let backdoor be allowed because :
Firstly it`s something which can be done in game.
Secondly i`m tired to respect it and some1 just skip it when fighting tight games
Thirdly it would be much more intresting and would kill a part of games linearity
Edit: and pls try to give an explanation

[Kava]

are u lol ?
NO !!!

[marko_nedic1]

i think that every bd is the worst thing that can happen in game.

[Deity]

No, cuz it will ruin alot of games.

[FLaMeSeeKeR]

What do u think?
Personally i`m for it, yes let backdoor be allowed because :
Firstly it`s something which can be done in game.
Secondly i`m tired to respect it and some1 just skip it when fighting tight games
Thirdly it would be much more intresting and would kill a part of games linearity
Edit: and pls try to give an explanation

Backdor will be never allowed here ! At least i hope so ...

[[LOA]Kyree]

Why not?It is a custom to bd for ss players.I agree it. o.O

[Warkaholic]

Yes, because:
- the map was build and balanced being aware of this aspect
- bd is just another dimension of the game
- game complexity increases while
- duration is lowered, and
- my backdoor is better than yours.

One argument needing further explanation: game complexity. It involves mandatory wards, tp scrolls, disable. It adds new hero options when picking (how many times did you see bone fletcher picked? lycantrope?)

[Mr.7error]

No, it shouldn't be allowed cause by backdoor you can end a game that could have a totaly other finality, ruin fun, show disrespect, be chicken.

[2fuckingbitch]

First there is 2 types of Bd...
And only 2 tower's are allowed ....
In base is stupid to allow Bd...
If u allow bd then u can just take warlock and other hero for push and just come with infernals and other heroes and destroy tower and base...
U would like to win on that way ? Or u like to win simple to outfarm ppl to outpick them to own them on lines to pwn them .
Bd is allowed but only on 2 tower's as i know in base is stupid to allowed it !

[LifeDrainer[RO]]

creep skippin @ first 2 towers yes,bd in base towers and rax NO!it is not allowed anywhere...

[OMGBergrush]

make the poll public so we can see who voted for what

[basics]

;763310']it is not allowed anywhere...

It is not, but why not? I belive that this is the main reason why boots of travel was created.

[Josh_lopes]

Yes. Since u use the rules ccreate by Rake

[Kava]

u can't win fear so u will BD c'mon ....
BD is for noobs

[basics]

BD is for noobs

I think it`s entirely the opposite way. Noobs can`t defend it, u need some coordination to refute a bd.
Edit: And pls stop giving us comments like "lol" or "BD is for noobs" those are not arguments.

[Kava]

u can't win with skills so u BD.. as simple as that

[basics]

This will be my last comment regarding u. cause it`s begining to seem like a bit off target.
If the defending team is pro than a bd will be refuted and so we`ll get back to our curent gameplay. If not than they are weaker(have a worser teamplay) and it seems they gone a bit wrong with builds.
As for skill, it requires skill to defend and backdoor properly and/or tactics. And pls don`t call a backdoorer newb cause ultimalty his doing the best for his team if he doesn`t get ganged and dies.
As some1 else said, you need wards, tp scroll and/or bot. Now in newbs games u don`t see much of those.

[[LOA]Kyree]

Agree Berg....make next time public poll.

Cyas

P.S. Pls dont stop the music!!!

[Artanthos]

;763310']creep skippin @ first 2 towers yes,bd in base towers and rax NO!it is not allowed anywhere...

Actually it IS allowed in most of asian tournaments.

[devicem]

You gotta ask yourself why they forbid it in the first place...

It's because it is an act of unsportsmanhip and as such unfair to end one game with bd, whereas you should work your ass a little bit in tie oriented games and finish the good old way.

[Nocawy]

Funny thing:
- people who say "yes" for BD give some constructive arguments
- people who say "no" say only "BD is for noobs"

[[NDL]Dark.Magic]

Funny thing:
- people who say "yes" for BD give some constructive arguments
- people who say "no" say only "BD is for noobs"
tell me some constructive arguments...
bd must be forbidden, 'should be' is very weak word, for some heroes bd-ing is peace of cake, whats u think about fletcher [with imba items]
still it is question of arrangement, dont have some better arguments, just think it is stupid and uninteresting...

[Josh_lopes]

u can't win with skills so u BD.. as simple as that

Since u use rake Rules u cant win with BD

"U can only do BD to the fisrt 2 towers" On base the rules are differente so u can c where creep is going and def at time ;)

Allow BD in base i diseagree 100

[-toXic-]

i support bd..not just first 2 towers but everything.
i think same thread was here some time ago(but not safelist section;only dota:))));but what the hell...
ps:here i even found it for you..so if some1 wanna look;maybe find something intresting here it goes http://eurobattle.net/showthread.php?t=62140&highlight=backdoor

[Warkaholic]

2-3 years ago I was hosting games with "backdoor" in the gamename, so everyone knew from the start. -AR games. The interesting part: less than 25% of the games were ended by backdoor. From those, over 80% were won by the team who was winning anyway, except it was way faster.
As a conclusion: less than 5% of the games will have reversed ending because of backdoor.
But...backdoor is for noobs who know how to buy and place wards and tp scrolls, isn't it?

It's like going to war and notice your ennemy: "if you send spies or dynamite my tanks factories, i'll ban you" :D:D:D

Of course, I don't deny the ss rules here: once you request the safelist, you are supposed to agree with the rules. But rules can be changed, and some valid arguments won't hurt anyone's feelings.

[Anderkent]

I am completely in favour of backdooring.

First of all, there are some heroes that are practically made for it. And YES, it is an arguement IN FAVOUR of backdoor. It basically means that if you pick for example rikimaru (which is a great hero to bd with, due to his pernament invisibility), if you play in a game without backdoor, his potential is strongly limited.

Secondly, there is no particular reason for bd to be disallowed. Cmon, i can as well say that attacking a building is an offence in general - you should let your creeps take it down. How long would a game last then, i wonder?

it is also true that a skilled team will defend versus backdoor. A couple of wards can solve the problem. You can also respond by backdooring back. And if they come whole team and get your rax while you were roshing/farming/whatever, well, how could you not notice all of them missing?

Btw there are enough buildings in base for all players to tp back simultaneously. Just a notice.

What does it mean if a teamfight happens while one team was bd?
First of all, the backdoorer's are probably at numerical disadvantage. Whole team backdoor would mean that whole enemy team was missing for like 40-50s (the least it takes to organise and go through the forest unnoticed) and no one noticed. Thats too bad for defenders.
Secondly, the bdrers have, by definition, no creeps by their side. Meaning that lich/luna/etc are a perfect counter to that.
Next, when you rush at them from behind, you can get to the softies (ranged heroes usually) first, while that ugly centaur/levi bi**ch stands near your rax, cos he was attacking it. Win?
Raxes regenerate. So dont panic when they got your rax half-health, just be a bit more carefull next time.
Both teams bded enemy raxes down? Well, welcome back to the age where creeps actually mattered.

And, to counter some of anti-bd arguements:

"bd must be forbidden, 'should be' is very weak word, for some heroes bd-ing is peace of cake, whats u think about fletcher [with imba items]"

I like the [with imba items] part. How do you counter anything that has imba items.
And, tbh, that just balances these heroes out a bit.

"It's because it is an act of unsportsmanhip and as such unfair to end one game with bd, whereas you should work your ass a little bit in tie oriented games and finish the good old way."

Which pretty much means - farm up more.
Wouldnt a game of tactical thinking, both teams trying to rax enemy down while not getting raxed, would be more fun then a game of clearing the forest untill you save for that mkb/buriza/butterlfy/hot/bkb/bot or whatever set you wanna wear? It sure would, for me at least.

"No, it shouldn't be allowed cause by backdoor you can end a game that could have a totaly other finality, ruin fun, show disrespect, be chicken."

If you can end a game by bd, it means that you out-skilled and outwitted your opponents. Therefore, you deserve the win.
Finally a way to win even if you cannot take on them in a team fight. Which makes picking a lineup much more fascinating.

So, i vote YES.

[Fire]

I think it is good that you can attack 2 towers outside the base without creep support,but in the base i am for no backdooring or creepskiping...

[IceBird]

i say no. it ends a game so abruptly and definitely ruins it.
its just too easy to farm well with bone / or some imba dps and while ur base is getting damaged u just go behind enemy lines with a well farmed dps and finish game in 2 mins. its just too cowardly .

[Anderkent]

Well if you cant tp back and get that SOLO bone down, making him spend 1400 for buyback or probably lose the game (cos u'll push when hes dead ofc), gg for u

[Nachi]

no f-ing way!!!!!

reason? noobs will BD you to death ...

I played yesterday a game @ north and 3 of my allies left , it was only me and another one with barthrum (i had enchantress) and we could keep them back and even win but those noobs BDed and won.

Won the game but scores were 30-60 for us 2 ...

so no BD

[Warkaholic]

no f-ing way!!!!!

reason? noobs will BD you to death ...



1. Try to backdoor me.
2. Try to stop my backdoor.

Who's the noob now?

Me Ari Me Nashi.

[LifeDrainer[RO]]

Actually it IS allowed in most of asian tournaments.

w00t i didnt knew....personaly i dont like ideea....dunnow...its not very pleasant.I agree only with first 2 towers bd which is allowed.......

[PiesiekDoBicia]

I'd like to have choice. Many people wants BDs to be allowd, also many does not. So i propose, to change to backdoor rules so host could choose if he creates game with or without backdoors allowed.
So if you see "ss bd" and you don't want to play game with backdoor, you don't play.
If you belive that most players don't want backdoors, there will be almost no such games. Simple. Solves all problems.

[Helpp]

are u lol ?
NO !!!

sure NO!!:)

[Warkaholic]

I'll give only 3 examples with backdooring allowed:
- TDA
- CAL
- WCG (check this rules: http://asian.worldcybergames.com/index.php/skoth/rules)

Those are major leagues/tournaments, not local/isolated.

P.S. and off-topic: Check the rules at that link, those are rly interesting. I'll give 3 examples:

Backdooring
Backdooring in WCG games is allowed. However, instances of teleport abuse are not allowed.

Creep Blocking (Disqualification):
Creep blocking is not allowed but creep slowing is allowed. Blocking here refers to the prolonged blocking of creeps to disrupt their usual path. (ie: Using Chen's creeps to block the entire entrance of the base for a long time.) Creep slowing means that you can stop the creeps from moving in their usual path for a few seconds. (ie: Using fissure)

Disconnections:
The dropped player’s team must leave the items on the dropped hero and is NOT allow to sell the items of the dropped hero. At no time shall a player take an item from the dropped hero or buy an item for the dropped hero. The team may control the dropped hero.

[Anderkent]

no f-ing way!!!!!

reason? noobs will BD you to death ...

I played yesterday a game @ north and 3 of my allies left , it was only me and another one with barthrum (i had enchantress) and we could keep them back and even win but those noobs BDed and won.

Won the game but scores were 30-60 for us 2 ...

so no BD


1. Three of your allies left and you still played. How the hell could the game be balanced then.
2. So, they could win even though they had weaker heroes. Whos the noob now.

[bigTomaTosouPWN]

well the point is that when u are not playing with team of knowns or skilled ppl there wont be enough coordination to stop BD which makes it kinda lame, since its like abusing pubs

but if priv or with knowns np, easy to get 1 to tp

[Anderkent]

well the point is that when u are not playing with team of knowns or skilled ppl there wont be enough coordination to stop BD which makes it kinda lame, since its like abusing pubs

but if priv or with knowns np, easy to get 1 to tp


I thought we're talking SS here. We're all supposed to be skilled arent we.

[sscorpion66]

guys too my opinion bd should be allowed.think in the most games you play after 25' min. then all players tend to play at one lane.so the most aoe heroes win.at the most games i play this happens.if the most agree with me then you may also agree that play at one lane 5v5 is not dota.with bd some ppl will stay behind to defend and also this all to a lane will be too risky even if you own until 15'.in other words at early game.also wards will be must and travel boots most use.so the reason i agree to bd is cause i do not like this all players at one lane at 25' or 20'.with this some players will stay at other lane defending and then you will need to play good at all the game and not only do perfect last hit at your lane.

[Warkaholic]

also wards will be must and travel boots most use

TP scrolls. Travel are useless vs bone fletcher / lycantrope. TP scrolls saves a lot of tower hp. 2-3 consecutive tp's on the tower will save it (the first guy starts hitting the attacker, the other 2 may cancel the tp, they only need to give the extra armor to the tower). Why this? because a backdoorer can ignore the heroes and continue to hit the tower.

[Wiedmolol[bool]]

i agree with warkaholic and anderkent so i vote YES as well

[2fuckingbitch]

Lol i didnt say that all ppl are noobs who vote for yes ....
But actually Bd is for noobs in some cases :D
My vote is NO !

[Uberpr0]

the current bd rules are good enough , altough i think bd should be allowed for all towers that are near-denie-range

and no bd inside platform , unless your furion and you get "creeps" in it :D

[Camper]

BD for inside buildings should be aproved....what is the diference between loosing a first tower or last?

if u play with a good team and play organised u should be able to Defend in the propper way and Atack .

and dont talk about big leagues..cause u dont know nothing about them...not that i know to much but i have payed atention to many and i see that every team dont want to loose one tower,they do everything to deny it ...so my point is if u have a good team...u will ward the whole map get TP scrolls and/have some disablers/and if needed go backdoor with some good tower atackers.

anyway i think BD should be allowed to all buildings :laugh:

bai

[Uberpr0]

BD for inside buildings should be aproved....what is the diference between loosing a first tower or last?

if u play with a good team and play organised u should be able to Defend in the propper way and Atack .

and dont talk about big leagues..cause u dont know nothing about them...not that i know to much but i have payed atention to many and i see that every team dont want to loose one tower,they do everything to deny it ...so my point is if u have a good team...u will ward the whole map get TP scrolls and/have some disablers/and if needed go backdoor with some good tower atackers.

anyway i think BD should be allowed to all buildings :laugh:

bai

ok lets suppose this then , team A picks heroes , all heroes make lothars , they haven't used it yet , so they go inv trough lane ,and suddenly they backdoor the tree / middle rax while team B is pushing up

[Nocawy]

ok lets suppose this then , team A picks heroes , all heroes make lothars , they haven't used it yet , so they go inv trough lane ,and suddenly they backdoor the tree / middle rax while team B is pushing up

ok lets suppose this then , team B picks heroes , all buy tp scrools and push mid lane, team A picks heroes , all heroes make lothars , they haven't used it yet, so they go inv trough lane ,and suddenly they backdoor, then team B tp back and easily kill team A which spend all money on lothars... and when all team A is dead, team B pwns the throne

Such a lame argument... "let's assume all team makes dagon and pwn everyone on sight".

[[gdl]shadow]

ok lets suppose this then , team B picks heroes , all buy tp scrools and push mid lane, team A picks heroes , all heroes make lothars , they haven't used it yet, so they go inv trough lane ,and suddenly they backdoor, then team B tp back and easily kill team A which spend all money on lothars... and when all team A is dead, team B pwns the throne

Such a lame argument... "let's assume all team makes dagon and pwn everyone on sight".


:happy1: ofc lothar thingy wont work :/ TP>99% of BD(outside or inside base)ofc if u TP like team :banana:

[PiesiekDoBicia]

Well, i'll write again. Why there have to be a rule? Why can't host decide? Host currently can choose mode (when other players agrees), so we can play -ap, -sd, -rd with ss rules.
Why cannot host decide which kind of game he is creating?

By default backdoors could be forbidden, but if all players agree, then game would be played with backdoors allowed. I really cannot see disadvantage of this solution.

[REplayER]

Gogogo Bd Ftw !

[[RO]Claudiu]

ONtopic : im not from ss but i voted NO . for the 3rd and 4th rank of Ancient Protectors . for the first 2 ranks there is no problem but for the 3,4 ranks .. that is bad sportsmanship .

OFFtopic : im surprized how many of you voted yes ...

[basics]

I keep seeing ppl talking about sportmenship/fairness.
What is not fair if both sides agree to it?
Some1 said that the map was created and balanced based on this normal play not bd...Then towers/building should have been invulnerable unless they`re attacked by creeps (which is like 1-2 line/s of code)
In my opinion backdoor alowes a more intense gameplay, which i belive is good.

[Warkaholic]

Some1 said that the map was created and balanced based on this normal play not bd...

No, I said the map, items and heroes were balanced for backdoor :)
In time, the map was resized; in the first version, you could backdoor with a level 1 troll, die 7-8 times and get a rax if you were careful enough to remain level 1. The map was so short, you could do the run every 30 seconds.
Now the map is big enough, you have plenty of space to push, farm, backdoor and even fart :)

@[RO]Claudiu: don't worry, most "no" votes are from non-ss players :)

[c_blizzard]

I voted for no it shouldn't be allowed. Btw we are talking crappy things, that anyway will not change the SS rules concerning the BD.

[Artanthos]

Btw we are talking crappy things, that anyway will not change the SS rules concerning the BD.

Why? Rules are for players, not players for rules...

[Anderkent]

CLAUDIU;763958']ONtopic : im not from ss but i voted NO . for the 3rd and 4th rank of Ancient Protectors . for the first 2 ranks there is no problem but for the 3,4 ranks .. that is bad sportsmanship .

OFFtopic : im surprized how many of you voted yes ...

I'd respect your oppinion much more if you provided at least one arguement on why is it bad sportsmanship.

[[RO]Claudiu]

I'd respect your oppinion much more if you provided at least one arguement on why is it bad sportsmanship.

ok . it shows bad sportsmanship because the bd-er is the type of player that wants to win no matter what ... the object of the map is to destroy the ancient but let the other team try to stop you .. if you think you are pro .

its also noobish ... sign that u are scared to play againtst the other team on face to face .

just today i lost a game vs some noobs . they had nesaj ( 4 sec stun ) , raigor (3 types of stun ) ogre magi ( multi-stun :D ) rashta ( hex + shackes ) and bone fletcher . i had luna ... i managed to make satanic , butterfly , aghanim , refresher and bkb .... then we lasted a little but they started to bd and we lost from bd .

another game in -nb 2v2 i played today . a player from the other team had doombringer , after 40 mins of play the teams were very stable and he started to take out the towers from the bottom lane where there were no creeps ... u call that fair? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ??///? /


@[RO]Claudiu: don't worry, most "no" votes are from non-ss players :)

so if u cant beat the other team on a push u bd to win the game . what pros (noobs) . what determins a bd ? the non-ability to make a good push ( noob players , non team players )

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is this enough argument why bd is for noobs and is considered bad sportsmanship?

[Nocawy]

CLAUDIU;764090']ok . it shows bad sportsmanship because the bd-er is the type of player that wants to win no matter what ...

I hate Brazilian football team! I just can't stand them! I think their playing style is so bad sportsmanship because they always want to win no matter what!

By the way, I think Riki is also bad sportsmanship hero - he stays invisible almost all the time and doesn't fight the enemy face to face.

Dota isn't a game where heroes stand next to each other and shot into face. Well, it often looks like this when noobs play dota... But good players sometimes use strategy.

If you want fair duels with farmed gosu heroes, go play Diablo 2. Dota is kind of a strategy game, isn't it? You don't play dota to farm your heroes, then tell everyone: "look I have 3 bfly on my Luna".

[sscorpion66]

"so if u cant beat the other team on a push u bd to win the game . what pros (noobs) . what determins a bd ? the non-ability to make a good push ( noob players , non team players )" says claudiu but at push they are some heroes who are the best for push.aoe skills.
so they are also some heroes who good for bd.if you had ward down
you may have noticed them.the game was designed and for bd and some heroes good for it some heroes not.at picks the most plays heroes with aoe skills which they good for 'face to face' push and also one lane tactics(stupid tactic and simple i think) and they forget the rest who may not have aoe skills but can bd more easier with higher attack speed.we just play the half game with no bd rule.cause if bd was on someone will defend someone will attack not all attack the same lane and all defend.

[Mer]

@[ro]Claudiu aghanim on luna... it was noobs vs noobs.

when opononets are feeded and you don't have chance in face-to-face fight, you have to use more cunny and stealthy strategies. if oponents play well and stick together all time only thing you can do is BD(you don't have chance in teambattle). if it's not allowed so where's fun in playing already lost game?

[[RO]Claudiu]

By the way, I think Riki is also bad sportsmanship hero - he stays invisible almost all the time and doesn't fight the enemy face to face.

Dota isn't a game where heroes stand next to each other and shot into face. Well, it often looks like this when noobs play dota... But good players sometimes use strategy.

get gem and riki = freekill . without his primary advantage


@[ro]Claudiu aghanim on luna... it was noobs vs noobs.

i challenge you to a dota game -aromshnp ( most ballanced ) and we post the replay in replays section . you call me noob i must prove you wrong and make you eat your words .

aghanim on luna was necessary . i needed mana for refresher, extra hp and the upgraded ultimate because i had to prepare for a 5v1 encounter . if i died it was game over .

pls accept my challenge . my nick on the server is STN_STARFALL . cya online . and pls reveal your true identity . you cant posibly begin posting on this particular thread o.O and call me a noob on your first post .

[LifeDrainer[RO]]

rofl...now stick to the topic.And if you didnt noticed this is not the place for imba 1v1 challanges,to prove uberskill or w/e.Don't start any type of argue, here which is not related to backdoor,etc.That is why PM function owns.

[c_blizzard]

Why? Rules are for players, not players for rules...

Well all i say is that i live to see BD allowed on SS. rofl :clap:

[[RO]Claudiu]

;764206']rofl...now stick to the topic.And if you didnt noticed this is not the place for imba 1v1 challanges,to prove uberskill or w/e.Don't start any type of argue, here which is not related to backdoor,etc.That is why PM function owns.

ok back to the topic . do you aprove of BD for the last 2 ranks of ancients?

i have a solution for this : let BD be alowed 1 month .. for test purposes and see how its better .. with or without .

[[gdl]shadow]

the topic is about BD not about ur imba uber skill :beer:

[bigTomaTosouPWN]

LOL luna!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

gogo 1v1 /whois luna

[Anderkent]

CLAUDIU;764090']ok . it shows bad sportsmanship because the bd-er is the type of player that wants to win no matter what ... the object of the map is to destroy the ancient but let the other team try to stop you .. if you think you are pro .

its also noobish ... sign that u are scared to play againtst the other team on face to face .

just today i lost a game vs some noobs . they had nesaj ( 4 sec stun ) , raigor (3 types of stun ) ogre magi ( multi-stun :D ) rashta ( hex + shackes ) and bone fletcher . i had luna ... i managed to make satanic , butterfly , aghanim , refresher and bkb .... then we lasted a little but they started to bd and we lost from bd .

another game in -nb 2v2 i played today . a player from the other team had doombringer , after 40 mins of play the teams were very stable and he started to take out the towers from the bottom lane where there were no creeps ... u call that fair? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ??///? /



so if u cant beat the other team on a push u bd to win the game . what pros (noobs) . what determins a bd ? the non-ability to make a good push ( noob players , non team players )

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is this enough argument why bd is for noobs and is considered bad sportsmanship?

Let me follow your logic a bit.
Think about ganking. You cant kill someone 1v1 so you ask for help and you go on him with a teammate or even two. Thats so bad sportmanship! I mean, you should have waited, outfarmed him, and got the fb at like lev 25.

GG dude, i dont know what you're playing but for sure it aint dota.


Edit: i also lol @ -np mode.

[REplayER]

Jesus christ Artanthos (http://eurobattle.net/member.php?u=351508) sounds more g.A.y than tAy ! ZOMG Fagzor ))))

[[RO]Claudiu]

Let me follow your logic a bit.
Think about ganking. You cant kill someone 1v1 so you ask for help and you go on him with a teammate or even two. Thats so bad sportmanship! I mean, you should have waited, outfarmed him, and got the fb at like lev 25.

GG dude, i dont know what you're playing but for sure it aint dota.


Edit: i also lol @ -np mode.

that is completly besides what i sayd . ganging is teamwork and is not bad sportsmanship . the ganged player is responsible for pushing alone or farming alone across the enemys half of the map . ofc in this situation he should die .

you just proved nothing . :noob::noob::noob: i sayd that the bd is the reason my team lost that game not theyr gangs . later with bkb i was almost imune to gangs .

[basics]

My last argument for backdoor:

Consider the following situation: full team goes for bd (naga included) they`re near barracks and opposition team comes to face them, naga hit song of the siren.

I think that backdoor supports better teamplay and item builds. We all know what will happen if they don`t have linken.
The list of heroes that could do simillar things goes on, but so does the counter for that. Treant with refresher, tide with refresher and on...
In the end picks will matter more, builds will matter more. So if better builds, better picks points more to a pro game, why not allowing it?

[[RO]Claudiu]

My last argument for backdoor:

Consider the following situation: full team goes for bd (naga included) they`re near barracks and opposition team comes to face them, naga hit song of the siren.

I think that backdoor supports better teamplay and item builds. We all know what will happen if they don`t have linken.
The list of heroes that could do simillar things goes on, but so does the counter for that. Treant with refresher, tide with refresher and on...
In the end picks will matter more, builds will matter more. So if better builds, better picks points more to a pro game, why not allowing it?

if bd would be alowed then no one would bother to push with the creeps , they would just go straight to the towers .

that would change a lot coz if u go for bd with luna + lich + rootfellen ( and they all have refreshers ) .. no creeps = slaughter of the opposite team

so whenever i see a bd i ban and quit . waste of time to keep playing with no rules . i like order not chaos .

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Please continue discussion in "bd test" thread. Thanks