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Warkaholic
21st April 2008, 10:25 AM
We just clean ss. It's not pub channel anymore.

Finally, someone noticed the difference.

A few more thoughts about the gamplay:

1. Some ppl started to be afraid of assuming risks. So they prefer a conventional style, leading to 60-minutes-farming-games. Then they still do a mistake in a 5v5 combat and the game is lost 2 minutes after.

2. Wards placements.
Totally defensive and I don't like it. Ppl saw some movies on tv, where the stars bought wards. So they bought wards, too...but placed them @ runes, to see if they're ganked.
But: the chance to be constantly ganked in ss games is the same to play pubs without quiters; even so, you don't need the wards in those positions, because you know you can be ganked by watching the minimap.
A better use of wards: in the ennemy forest, with only 2 wards you can cover the critical points. All you need now is to BEG your team to come ganking. If this still doesn't work, report them (if you know you're right!) or stop throwing good gold on useless wards.
A good example is one of the last games I played: "ppl, pls gank their forest, we can easily kill them then push" "no, we need wards" "no, we don't need wards, we all know they're there, farming" "yes we do". So I bought wards "ppl, PLS come gank" "ok we come" "look, there they are, let's go". And a 5v2 gank transformed into a 3+1+1 vs 5 because of ppl not coming, or coming too late, and chasing (btw, never chase if not 5). They were too busy farming...but still saying "coming"

3. Play to win, not for your score.
Let the killers take the kills, and when you are not too short on gold don't mind to die just for saving them. Doubled by constant ganking, will make the strongest heroes in your team able to make the difference while midgame. Remember: strong killers will keep you safe while farming. It's like a health insurance.

4. Chickens.
Need a chicken? BUY IT. I never buy chickens I don't need, and I won't go on lane butt-naked only because someone else needs it. Don't tell me about the "team" ****, most ss games you won't see teams, only egocentric players who want to farm more than the others.
You start the game with 600 gold, so spend them wisely. Over 200 spent on chickens you don't need = suicide. As for me: very low hp after a battle? I use the rest of the mana (if any) on creeps and I go full heal for the next one. I won't starve on a lane leaching xp while needing 3 times more to recover.
The funniest thing is most times ppl I have banned in pubs as retarded noobs or leavers come now, imperative, in ss games: "you have to buy me chicken". GO TO WORK, BEGGARS!!!

As a conclusion:
Even if the rules and organisation are a big improvement (thx to the mods), the game quality is still behind the old ss safelist. Don't take it as a whine, take it as an impulse: YOU can play better than this.

[LOA]Kyree
22nd April 2008, 08:28 PM
Totally agree Warkaholic(chiar daca noi nu ne intelegem prea bine gandesc destul de matur sa dau dreptate cuiva care are dreptate).


I play here and ggc also.There on ggc games are 50% more shorter than ss games.Why?Becouse in ggc the goal is to win the game,not to be the biggest farmer/denier/killer in the game.Good player play for tower/rax's.

The second reason is constant gank.Constant gank=low farm on oposite team(especially if they dont play united/they dont go gangs,they try farm alone/etc),=theyr morale lowered(it really lows ur morale,afects u psihicaly/makes u angry/ when u are constantly ganged/and it is a fact/true),u give low "randament" to the game(u make mistakes,u dont pay attention to details,and details are important/etc).U beggin argue/complain/whine/swear/acusse ur team of lack go play(but u dont realise u must make maby the first step to improove the teamplay),etc.

Another problem that exist here on X-pam/ss is there some people have bad picks.Stupid ideea to pick for example:razor,viper,nevermore and trax vs tauren,rashta,tiny and treant.The first team is good only in late game,with high items.The second team if it is good played can break midd lane untill lvl 10(if a side is broken,it is almost gg for for the team that breached the lane).Thatswhy i dont understand why in -RD or -AP games,i always end the the team with bad pick :P .

Now i dont have more ideeas about this topic,i am kinda tired(after work),but latter i will edit it and post more.

Warkaholic
22nd April 2008, 09:38 PM
I think this replay is a good example of what I meant.
Without bonzy, begging and shouting, we could lose easily. Maybe he was a little bit harsh, but it was - my oppinion - the only way to win the game. And this is a "pro-captains" replay, too. Thx team for a nice game.

EscapeTheFate
22nd April 2008, 11:06 PM
That's why I'm for introducing -ap mode in ss. Cause in ap u wont have excuses they took the hero i wanted, there is no nevermore in the pool of heroes etc.

[LOA]Kyree
22nd April 2008, 11:19 PM
That's why I'm for introducing -ap mode in ss. Cause in ap u wont have excuses they took the hero i wanted, there is no nevermore in the pool of heroes etc.


Did u even understand what i have written above?Or u just post without to know the subject?

Cyas

P.S. Look up! -^-

Anderkent
23rd April 2008, 05:07 AM
Well, about the chicken thing, there are some heroes that can be effective in a lane without that circlet+branch, or whatever, and there are some heroes that cannot.

I hate it when i buy a chicken and no one uses it though ;/ People, learn to spend asap, gold in pocket = gold that can be lost. You dont (usually) lose items...

Other then that, sure ;]

roxad
23rd April 2008, 02:29 PM
You are so god damn WRONG !

Kyree - gg and dota-league doesn t compare with ss playing. I played there and they we re all wondering - OBS ???? Chicken ??? Why buy chicken ??? STFU with obs ! I need 2 grow ... 3 sec later - ganked.
games finish sooner cause 1-2 pros in some team make the whole game.

Warkaholic - u generalize too much.

First - We are begining to know each other here and I personally prefer to play with persons and friends close 2 my style. If some1 creeps is because they kinda own us now - so we need a better dps and a support get a dagger, etc.

Secound - wards ??? Dude - who've u played with ??? I usually take min 4 obs - 2 for runes and 2 for key positios - in push, in def, etc. The runes warding place it s A MUST (exception when u have other obs that cover the zone till runes so u know who s comming.

Three - i disagree to let someone particularry to take a kill - but I also disagree stealing. Course - dps have a higher probability to get the frag when u all normal hit a target.

Chicken - if u are intel - BUY CHICKEN ! If not - don t take intel when playing with me and my friends plz !

Anderkent
23rd April 2008, 02:44 PM
Thats a bit too much of generalisation, there are some int heroes that shouldnt buy chicken imo (f.e. storm, who needs the extra hp from a gauntlet if he wants to harass at all), and there are some non-int heores that can buy chicken at almost no expense (f.e. pudge, rexar [if NOT jungling], vengeful).

Well, tbh, any hero can buy chicken and it isnt really that much of an expense, you can buy the things you would have after one, two waves, and bring it to ya.

Warkaholic
23rd April 2008, 04:46 PM
Three - i disagree to let someone particularry to take a kill - but I also disagree stealing. Course - dps have a higher probability to get the frag when u all normal hit a target.

Chicken - if u are intel - BUY CHICKEN ! If not - don t take intel when playing with me and my friends plz !

Well, I played Rhasta and had Morph (Pony) on the same lane. Nobody asked me to buy chicken (not as I would), so I could support him with briliance aura while having trees to heal myself.
I tried to play for him, maxing shackles first, suiciding to get the ennemies low hp and double kill for morph. All the game I was next to him, disabling and shooting lightning at cooldown. This is what I call support, not buying a dumb chicken. Being a nice person (Pony) helped a lot, and he played very similar to my old friend DVille, so it was double fun for me; I wish I could say the same about all the ss players.

But I think you are bringing this discution towards off-topic. I don't like the aggresive style when bringing arguments (shouting louder doesn't mean you are more right). You took it too personal, and I don't know why you feel it this way.

We were talking here about increasing the gameplay and fun in ss games.

ss-Kenyshor
25th April 2008, 10:12 AM
OMG, U saw PONY? Did pony see u ?:).

Ontopic : intelli hero doesnt neccesarly means you have to buy chicken, some other hero can buy a chicken(but prolly you'll have to upgrade her:) ). There's also many types of support like you said wich are very important(like making kills for carry, protect him, die for him ,etc). I hope I wont see anytimes soon things like : ok I bought chicken, my support is OVER.

[YY]Kai
25th April 2008, 11:48 AM
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[LOA]Kyree
25th April 2008, 06:29 PM
I wonder sometimes,why some ss players aren't ashamed that they are part of our comunity.
For theyr own sake,do self-delete to your accounts.
Played yesterday a ss game...a pro/imba omni instead to repel me(yugger) he repeled axe(enemy hero)...and ofc i died...after i died he used guardian angel...i asked him why he didnt used before...he told me he forgot...IMBA!!!
Cyas

P.S.1) Dont ask the name i wont tell who was...isnt my custom to say public the stupidity of others...
P.S.2):
I wanna take you away,
Lets escape into the music,
DJ let it play...
I just can't refuse it,
Like the way you do this,
Keep on rockin to it,
Please don't stop...
Please don't stop the music!!!

VamoS_GringO
28th April 2008, 02:41 AM
Sry,Kyree i really forgot to cast that angel thingy...:cool:
Some guy told me that im noob cause i had like 2:5 score with omni (died a few helping our carry to survive,healed him instead of myself so he was to one who got away,ofc no "thank you" from him) and my final items wereboots,lvl3necro and 2 bracers (he forgot that i bought lvl 2 bird and tons of wards).The point is he played the ****ing carry hero and i saved his ass like 20 times and ensured him a nice farming w/o being ganked with my wards and he calls me noob!?! his words were:"i never have negative score with support heroes" bla,bla...n/c.I dont wanna call names but i know a few of this kind of ppl that can only play a easy carry hero and nothing else.It doesnt matter to him if his team saved him or helped him with killing hes the only imba player there cause he had 15:0 score. So pls "Razor and Sniper all the time" players try to play some nice support like Dazzle,Enigma or Jakiro and show your real skills.thxbai
P.S.In a real pro game its quite impossible to have beyond godlike with these heroes(like a few of my friends mentioned above) so pls dont even try it.:)

ANANANAN
28th April 2008, 06:53 PM
Gringo, you forgot NEVERMORE!!! Anyways, y, there are really many players playing most time carry, picking carry 1st etc...and btw dazzle is gr8 hero, can lh/deny/haras/suport nicely :-) i luv him!