7 Major Problems Our World is Facing

[KeweLi]

This is a summary of the Earth's biggest problems, its effects, and what we as an ordinary citizen can do. Throughout this thread you are free to contribute with your own ideas, but may I ask that you put consideration into whatever you write. Some of these issues and facts are pretty obvious, but it seems like people are not really thinking about it.

1) Poverty
Did you know that 1/5 of the world's population consumes 4/5 of the world's food?

I was at an all you can eat buffet one time and next to me was a fat guy. Yes I know, you are ahead of me here, but I must emphasise that he stuffed himself up with food. After the man had his load of food, he went to get 9 plates of different cake. First he had a bite out of each just for the taste, then he only ate 1 of the 9.
At the same time, almost 30,000 people die each day from starvation.

Things will only get worst. I'm sure you have heard that food prices everywhere in the world are rising. Food like rice is getting expensive, and more people are finding it difficult to feed themselves. Next time you are ordering/cooking food, ask yourself this question: Do I really need that much food? Because remember, there is a difference between curing your hunger and stuffing yourself to the max.

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2) Global Warming
Did you know that species are suffering as a result of us?

Everyone is fully aware of the problems which global warming poses. We know what is good for the environment, and what is bad. But the thing that counts is what we actually do.

The fact is that more and more heat is being trapped inside Earth as a result of the green house effect. There are small, but countless things we can do to decrease the amounts of carbon gases in our world. It can simply be from taking a walk instead of a vehichle, to refilling your plastic water bottle rather than buying new ones. How are plastic bottles made? I don't know but surely the factory released carbon gases while producing it. How did the bottle of water get from the factory to the shop or vending machine? I don't know but I'm sure it was transported in some kind of vehicle and thus releasing carbon gases too.

Message from Al Gore: Do we really want to realise that change is needed when it is already too late?

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3) Energy Source
Did you know that our oil is running out and we are yet to find/manage an alternative source which is as reliable?

A lot of you would probably have already heard me go on and on about this before. Fuel prices have risen 500% in this decade and doubled in the last 2 years. The oil companies will continue to push the price up because they know it will come to an end. So picture what will happen when oil runs out? Major cities like London, Washington, Hong Kong, and Tokyo all depend on imports from other places to run the entire city. Obviously they will be a real crisis. Hundreds of trucks run around everyday for deliveries. Thousands of cars run around everyday for business. In China, an average of 10,000 brand new cars are sold per day. The people are willing to throw sums of money to buy this oil because at the moment, China is advancing incredibly. How do they expect to run the place when the oil is depleted? And the worst thing is that people don't know it will happen sooner than they think. It is true energy cannot be destroyed or created, but due to the rising population and rising demand, we are consuming much faster than the renewal process!

You might be reading this now thinking of alternatives like coal, hydro electricity, or nuclear power;
*Coal releases much more pollution and it is only sufficient for things like steam engines, NOT vehicles.
*Hydro and wind only work when there is a low population. Hundreds of them will only support a tiny population not to mention how inconsistent they are.
*Solar power has been a failure though there is much talk about it.
*Nuclear Fission is cleaner than oil, but it is non renewable and we still have to store the used uranium under the ground.
*Nuclear Fusion has also been a failure, but I see this as a good possibility to our future.

Trust me on this one guys. Oil will run out in your life time and there is no doubt about it. The last time I checked, it was 84 EUROs per barrel. The big questions is if we'll be able to develop/handle a reliable energy source before oil runs out. You can look at it as a chick trying to hatch out of its egg. After a certain duration it will die if it does not break out. And a lot of them do die like that.

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4) Warfare
Did you know that one American stealth bomber costs around $1.2 billion US? That is over 615,000,000 pounds (770,000,000 euros).

I am not even going to go on about the money involved in this topic...
More and more countries today are obtaining nuclear missiles, which means more countries can remove our planet from existence. Civilised countries like Russia, Britain, and America would think twice before launching one. But what we fear is when things like this get into the hands of the corrupted. Countries like North Korea and Syria have nothing to lose. Thus they have the upper hand. If you have been catching up with the news lately, you would know the Americans are sending the North Koreans supplies in return for their nuclear reactor plan outs. It was something like 11,000 pages.
The development in weapons of mass destruction will never stop progressing. This is the part where we turn towards or away from Bush's idea of setting up missile defence systems in Eastern Europe. Would this make the planet safer? or would it be safer the way it is now (giving America less control)?

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5) Disease
Did you know that the Spanish flu killed more people in 6 months than the bloodiest war did in 3 years?

The ease of travelling around the world has helped diseases to spread. Some diseases vary between different groups of people (like when the Spanish first went into South America), but many do not.
With years and years of constant and expensive research on STDs/STIDs/HIV, we have not even come up with a proper vaccine for it. Although there are now medicines to supress it, it has been quite a while now in which experiments are carried out on it.
But I am not here to talk about sexually transmitted diseases, I am here to talk about diseases as a whole. What doctors and researchers fear the most is mutation. Mutation occurs in many illnesses such as cancer and flues. A good example would be the bird flu which has already mutated and adapted many times in order to survive inside the body of a human being.
I know there is not much we can do about this, but one thing for sure is that a big outbreak is destined to come sooner or later.

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6) Waste Management
Did you know that in the sense of nature, our world is supposed to have almost no rubbish or very little of it?

As far as wastes go today, it is virtually flooding our world. Land fills are running out around the world, especially in China. I'll talk about the groups of waste management first. Iron and other sorts of metal can be melt down and instantly reused. Paper can be reused to make newspapers (which maybe a billion people purchase everyday). Recycled plastic can be made into things like jackets... but the thing is that all these materials are being thrown out to land fields and it takes a tremendous amount of time for them to breakdown. The only waste that should be deposited into land fields are things like organic waste. Organic wastes decompose real fast but deposing metals, plastics..etc disturbs this system. Thus, new land fields will have to be dug and it is not easy to make one. Each landfill must be surrounded by clay to avoid leachate from being leaked. Without a well built landfill, it can turn water systems toxic.

This issue is rising and as more waste is deposited, the less room we have. There is obviously a problem here and that is why you see governments in developed countries stressing for citizens to bring their own bags. A study shows that in Australia alone, 7150 recyclable plastic bags are dumped into landfills every minute!

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7) Population Growth
When we talk about species, there is a lag phase, a growth phase, a stationary phase, and a death phase!

If someone asked you what the Earth being sustainable is, what would you say? I can tell you now, a sustainable environment is an environment that does not endanger the habitats and survival of a specie(s).

Lets use rabbits for example.
A is the lag phase, where only 2 rabbits are on the new island.
B is the exponential phase, the rabbits are increasing.
C is the stationary phase, the population is at its limit and stays the same for some time.
D is the death phase, diseases spread easier with so many rabbits, resources are lacking, conflict rises between rabbit and rabbit.

Somewhere in the process of B, there is a line called the carrying capacity. When the population goes past this line, the habitat will no longer be sustainable and it will be in peril. The more each rabbit consumes, the lower the carrying capacity will be. This is the same for us, if we use more than what we need, it will just be gameover for us faster.
I see that the death phase will come upon us eventually no matter what.

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[KeweLi]

(I have to double post to refresh this because I started it ages ago)

Please feel free to post any intellegent questions or comments. :)

[phaNtom.]

4) Warfare
Did you know that one American stealth bomber costs around $1.2 billion US? That is over 615,000,000 pounds (770,000,000 euros).

Yeah, and we cant even imagine what we can buy with that sum of MONEY!!!
I dont know why is War even needed on this world, if we would all agree as a one nation on the whole world, we would be mileniums ago in a real HEAVEN, so called EARTH HEAVEN. But, politicion and war, that is all corrupted today, so stupid. And why? There ain't an real answer.

[-eXtasY-]

More and more countries today are obtaining nuclear missiles, which means more countries can remove our planet from existence. Civilised countries like Russia, Britain, and America would think twice before launching one. But what we fear is when things like this get into the hands of the corrupted. Countries like North Korea and Syria have nothing to lose.I just dont agree at all. Who lunched only 2 a-bombs in history on Japan in ww2 without any real need for it? You call it civilized? Why do they have thousands of them? Why are they doing nuke test all the time and pulating our planet on that way as well? Why are they spending hundreds of billions of dollars on military every year? If there are civilized they would think about spending money on things you mentioned , not building super army.
Countries as Korea, India, Irak (if they were even doing it) are making it just to defend themselves, to make aggressors like usa think twice before attacking them.
Im 5x more scared from usa then any other country. Who is leading most of the wars in the world? Who is invading countries just for economy interests? Bah...

I dont agree about energy problem as well. The only reason we are still using oil is because its in economy interest of great countries to do so. Im sure they know and have plenty of alternatives but its just stupid to use them when they can sell oil for astonishing prices. Even tesla proved its possible to make wireless power transmition, so do you really think its something what cant be done in 21th century? Every car would go on electic power, which is unlimited source. Ofcourse there would be no polution for trafic, also.
Ofcourse el. power has to be made on some way, but im sure that nuclear power is just one of good answers for that.


About waste... Imho it should be launched in space.


Population grow

Dont worry we have wars and diseases to fight with it. You really think AIDS showed just like that? Laboratory ftw.... Get rid of poor and uneducated people on an easy and clean way... sad but true


2) Global WarmingThe biggest and real problem we are facing, the only one im really scared of.... But again first who will be attacked by rising of ocean level is usa, so i guess they will have to start thinking about it.

[fatman69]

I just dont agree at all. Who lunched only 2 a-bombs in history on Japan in ww2 without any real need for it? You call it civilized? Why do they have thousands of them? Why are they doing nuke test all the time and pulating our planet on that way as well? Why are they spending hundreds of billions of dollars on military every year? If there are civilized they would think about spending money on things you mentioned , not building super army.
Countries as Korea, India, Irak (if they were even doing it) are making it just to defend themselves, to make aggressors like usa think twice before attacking them.
Im 5x more scared from usa then any other country. Who is leading most of the wars in the world? Who is invading countries just for economy interests? Bah...

totally agree on this one. if USA should be allowed to have nuclear armament, so should Pakistan, India, hell even Croatia, Albania,Serbia..

it is true, Americans are the only nation so far that has launched nuclear missiles for military purposes, not testing. and just cuz some countries, like India, Pakistan etc. dont agree with USA politics that doesn't meen you should refer to them as uncivilised

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Countries like North Korea and Syria have nothing to lose. Thus they have the upper hand.[/QUOTE]
yeah, nothing but their lives. you think lives of people in rich countries are worth more than those of people living in poor countries?


The biggest and real problem we are facing, the only one im really scared of.... But again first who will be attacked by rising of ocean level is usa, so i guess they will have to start thinking about it.
hm... if we are facing global warming how come i am experiencing the coldest July in the past 20 years (not that i mind getting some fresh air once in a while)?

[-eXtasY-]

hm... if we are facing global warming how come i am experiencing the coldest July in the past 20 years (not that i mind getting some fresh air once in a while)?

Well those are climate changes, just as we had 25c last November... Expect the same this year :)
The average temperature is that should concern us. 1c doesn't me anything for me and you, but for poles does, very much.

[Slayzer]

FIRST OF ALL: I think u missed one very big an important problem:There is less and less drinking water in the world, second one is polution I wont be so surprised if I wake up in the morning and I became a zombie...

Btw about nuclear bombs.. those two which were used against Japan, do u really think that they are the only once who were launched? They had to experiment first before using them isn't that true?

[KeweLi]

FIRST OF ALL: I think u missed one very big an important problem:There is less and less drinking water in the world,

That partly goes under poverty,
we are taking our sources including water for granted. The average person uses too much water to wash, brush their teeth..etc.
On the other hand, many people in Africa die or become seriously ill because of the water they drink.

[fatman69]

FIRST OF ALL: I think u missed one very big an important problem:There is less and less drinking water in the world, second one is polution I wont be so surprised if I wake up in the morning and I became a zombie...

Btw about nuclear bombs.. those two which were used against Japan, do u really think that they are the only once who were launched? They had to experiment first before using them isn't that true?

i meant for military purposes, not testing...these were the only 2 that had a goal to kill people.

please don't be so dramatic about the zombie thing.the problems with water can be solved easily. Africa itself holds some of the biggest rivers in the world. the only problem is pollution and distribution.

[-eXtasY-]

Don't forget what % of earth is watter. Dunno if you knew but it IS possible to clean salt, sea watter, and make it suitable for drinking. The problem is price, but i guess when we become forced to do it, it wont be a problem any more.
Also, if you didn't know usa spent more almost 300 billions of dollars just on wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. For conperation, bill gates wealth is 43 billions. So, there is more then enough money for such things.It's matter of time when it will became the priority.

[KaworuNagisa]

In 1 million years, the sun will burn down everything on earth
in 2-3 more, it will destroy it 100% by expanding it self
life will be possible on mars for less than 1 million years
then only place for life in our solar system will be the moon Titan
After that our solar system will collide with another system and moving to unite with the milky way
who knows what then...
For those like you who want to make human a better person, there were already people ahead of you. Some of them even made anime NGE that describes human as the most worst creature to ever existed. Or not?

We either evolve into a creature that can survive worse conditions, or we find a way to protect our self, which is pretty much the same.
Or we just die :D
Its not that I don't care, but I can't do sh1t about it. I'm just another noob ^^
Don't care much for the energy. Tesla Motors exists.
For Poverty, why people make children when they are unable to handle them. Thats what my mother says.

edit:
Hey! Lets make 30000 people die everyday, and they will send us food for free. Good idea! xD

This are not the Seven deadly sins? :D
Lust Gluttony Greed Sloth Wrath Envy Pride

[KeweLi]

Now that is something we "really" don't need to care about because humans won't even live close to that long as a result of the 7 factors I listed. lol

I know I have been bragging on and on about this, but we will be ****ed up when oil runs out!!!

[KaworuNagisa]

www.teslamotors.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOl_1S10jTk

[Slayzer]

Now that is something we "really" don't need to care about because humans won't even live close to that long as a result of the 7 factors I listed. lol

I know I have been bragging on and on about this, but we will be ****ed up when oil runs out!!!

Well I honestly hope that we will run out of oil soon coz we will lower the polution by making cars that wont use petrol.

[Kiel]

Im not trying to be rude, but Geeez Keweli each time i look into Serious Discussions section i see some doomsaying from you. I mean really - you got no problems of your own so you are looking for them all over the world?

Start to enjoy your life, stop looking for problems everywhere - all of us are going to die anyway sooner or later. You bring up those problems all the time - im not paying much attention to forums anymore but i swear that there was a thread about oil, and there were people who prooved that even water could be used as fuel and that this isnt so big problem as you are trying to show us.
You should turn off your computer (to save energy), sell it, give money to red cross or something instead of whining on forum.

PS http://eurobattle.net/showthread.php?t=63398 - one thread about this wasnt enough? Well i noticed that this one got better formating but still.

PS2 You were that guy who said that humans evolved from rocks and acid right?

[KeweLi]

Kiel, I am aware that we should all enjoy life and yes I am enjoying mine at the moment. But if what you say is true then this serious discussion forum shouldn't even exist because we should all be relaxing. This is a normal forum for people to express their ideas and if you find it boring then it's not my problem. And if you are going to come here saying "You should turn off your computer (to save energy), sell it, give money to red cross or something instead of whining on forum" then you might as well go play your video games instead.

there were people who prooved that even water could be used as fuel
That is not the point. We are not talking about if something simply works, but if something can replace the old and still work as efficient.


PS2 You were that guy who said that humans evolved from rocks and acid right?
I was the guy that said evolution cannot exist and that there is no way we evolved from rocks and acid.


@KaworuNagisa: The first thing is that those cars cost a fortune to manufacture and regular businesses or people would not buy it. The other problem is that the max speed is only 60mph. If you look at the video you will see how "big" that car is, and how "fast" it runs (not).

[KaworuNagisa]

Evolution exists :noob: to many things prove it. We evolve with every second.
Give money to red cross?
To give MY money? 5uck my d1ck! I work hard for it! Its the cruel nature kid. Sorry. People that need money should stand and fight. Thats what wars are, thats why people die. Its all nature.

2 people alone on an island
only 1 fish to eat
it mine! I saw it first!
no! its mine!
give it to me
look what you did -.- now its for nothing
its all your fault!
DIE!

non related woman and man
man gives fish to woman
man to him self
you are an idiot...

only 1 human on an island
makes a boat and runs away...

:thumbUP:

[KeweLi]

This has nothing to do with evolution and Kiel just brought up an off-topic thing. There are other threads for that.

Anyway KaworuNagisa, do you still think this electrical motor car is still so great now?

[KaworuNagisa]

I believe in science xD

[Kiel]

Evolution exists :noob: to many things prove it. We evolve with every second.
Give money to red cross?
To give MY money? 5uck my d1ck! I work hard for it! Its the cruel nature kid. Sorry. People that need money should stand and fight. Thats what wars are, thats why people die. Its all nature.

If you want to save the world it would do more good than whining about it on forum. Anyway i dont know why you respond to posts not directed to you, but whatever. Im not giving my money to red cross anyway i just suggested it.
Btw, there's no such thing as "money" in nature.

2 people alone on an island
only 1 fish to eat
it mine! I saw it first!
no! its mine!
give it to me
look what you did -.- now its for nothing
its all your fault!
DIE!

Fishes dont appear out of nowhere. Someone had to catch it first. And it belongs to that guy. Also humans dominated the world because they know how to cooperate with each other. Thats why you live in city right now instead of being hermit.

non related woman and man
man gives fish to woman
man to him self
you are an idiot...

Say what? Another magical fish appeared out of nowhere?

only 1 human on an island
makes a boat and runs away...

:thumbUP:
Shoulda have told this to Robinson Crusoe ;p
Anyway i saw no relation between topic and those island examples but whatever.

Anyway Keweli i think that discussion between us is pointless - we got such drastically different points of view that its impossible for one of us to convince other one that hes right. I should have thought about it in the first place ;p

PS Im not playing games anymore :( They became too boring for me - Im too old I guess haha :P:thumbUP:

[KeweLi]

Anyway Keweli i think that discussion between us is pointless - we got such drastically different points of view that its impossible for one of us to convince other one that hes right.

Agreed.



2 people alone on an island
only 1 fish to eat
it mine! I saw it first!
no! its mine!
give it to me
look what you did -.- now its for nothing
its all your fault!
DIE!

That reminds me of Lord of the Rings lol...
2 friends go fishing
1 finds the ring and tries to keep it for himself
The other chokes him to death
And of course the ring keeper turns into this xD:
http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/avl/pics/lotr/ttt/smeagol.jpg

[CaRaMBa]

1.Poverty
What you must know about humanity that humans are greedy. Lots of humans don't give a **** on people starving every day. What you can do: make such threads and bustle people to give money to some charitative organizations. Some people are really charitative, they can do against poverty. Other thing: Some politicans can do some actions to be more popular (greeeeeed again). As a simple man you can do nothing else i suppose.

2. Global warming
Well...yeah. It has to be stopped, it's the interest of the whole mankind. Governments should make some regulations to decrease pollution caused by traffic and by industry. As transportation improves it can be solved (eectric car in the far future, mass transport in the near future. Maybe railway transport should be increased (at least here in Hungary)).

3.Energy source
I don't think it's a problem...We should build more nuclear power plants. They can solve these problems. I think in the moment the amount of uranium remaining is no problem.

4.Warfare
There have always been wars and there will be always wars. You can't change the nature of humanity. Humans are greedy and envious (yes, me too sometimes even if i don't want to be). What could be done? Somehow make regulations to decrease the amount of money which a country can spend on warfare, and totally ban nuclear weapons from earth (too dangerous). At the moment no available solution come to my mind.

5. Diseases
You can do nothing against them, at least i have no idea. Diseases should be found quickly and quarantined as soon as possible. Yes, it sounds cruel i know. Of course, scientist should be immediately working on finding the cure.

6.Waste management
well...well...regulations should be made
-it's neccessary to make corporations interested in making minimal waste (by some kind of fees)
-waste should be gathered selectively everywhere and then they should be recycled. It can be solved with regulations i believe (some fees).

7.population growth
The population of Hungary doesn't increase, it decreases with around 30 000 people/year.
About world: Once more: regulations should be made :). As i remember there were some regulations in China that say that if you have at least 2 child you have to pay a lot. Population can be controlled this way i believe.

I think you should worry about: warfare and global warming if regulations are not gonna be made soon.

Global warming seems to be easier to solve. Why? coz if it gets hotter and hotter, even the politicians will feel unconcfortable...and so will do people. Who wanna get more vote, will take some actions against global warming. And yeah...there are lots of ways to reduce the CO2 emission.
Warfare is a great problem i believe. Weapons are improveing, there are more and more ways of slaughtering MASSES of innocent people. The probability is growing that a mad person gets a weapon capable of mass distruction. And the politicians are NOT interested in putting down weapons, reducing money spent on researches. Yeah, i fear there will be some serious consequences soon. :-/


P.S.: @keweli: you asked me to answer your questions. Now i ask you to answer my question at maths+logic coz you seem to understand science and that's only a 3-4min logic problem. I don't wanna solve it myself SO pleeeaaaseeee :)

[[RO]Claudiu]

you missed one :) ignorance is also a huge problem , the people are more and more ignorant .

[KeweLi]

CaRaMBa: :D also I just wanted to inform you those electrical cars are no good as I wrote before, "The first thing is that those cars cost a fortune to manufacture and regular businesses or people would not buy it. The other problem is that the max speed is only 60mph. If you look at the video you will see how "big" that car is, and how "fast" it runs (not)."

[CaRaMBa]

Yes i saw, but i say that in the next 20-30 years it will be much better. :) At least i hope.

[SRBAle]

for most problems u sead are related to USA,and U forgot to add USA.


P.S. and pope if noone minds

[-eXtasY-]

CaRaMBa: :D also I just wanted to inform you those electrical cars are no good as I wrote before, "The first thing is that those cars cost a fortune to manufacture and regular businesses or people would not buy it. The other problem is that the max speed is only 60mph.
What was speed of first, regular car? Its just the very start of something new... its going to be developed and improved just as it happened with fuel based ones.

[StillTesting]

Nice explanations, but don't worry you or anyone else, if there isn't problems life wouldn't be interested. And all that problems aren't big as they look, because all those give something good. I mean Ok, for example we can reduce garbage quantity but as you know we would have to suffer more than we suffer with garbage, I mean on all types of garbage, which would mean in the end that we shouldn't do nothing and we would have our Earth clean and all...Anything good gives something bad and vice versa...
PS: I saw some guy said it would get better, it is best now to live in history of Earth, and 99% chance that if time passes it will be just better and better. I guess you would like to live now rather than in some XII century w/o almost everything you have now...

[Kyree]

Claudiu;822702']you missed one :) ignorance is also a huge problem , the people are more and more ignorant .

The most major problem our world is facing is our existance(humanity) resulting what Claudiu told: " ignorance" .What nature created in millions of years we destroyed in 150 years (animal extinction/species,cutting forest,poluation,bad natural resources administration,etc;also we can include: wars).
All thoose desasters are the conclusion of our acts...we did it with our hands...now we must pay.The thing that is sad,is that futures generation will suffer from this.

[fatman69]

ye ye i read those green**** articles how this species and that species had gone extinct, and the way i see it it's very often some small type of animal. and i ask you this, who gives a crap if a species of spider goes extinct, it's the survival of the fittest, if that mother****in spider intends to outlive me he better come out and make me understand he's tougher, if not, we win....


i mean this is a bit extreme way of thinking, we shouldn't exterminate every living being, but this is our world, we are the survivours, we are the destiny of this planet. species have died before, they all die eventually, we are the only ones that can try to secure our "immortality"... that is, we are the only ones striving for it.

[Kyree]

ye ye i read those green**** articles how this species and that species had gone extinct, and the way i see it it's very often some small type of animal. and i ask you this, who gives a crap if a species of spider goes extinct, it's the survival of the fittest, if that mother****in spider intends to outlive me he better come out and make me understand he's tougher, if not, we win....


i mean this is a bit extreme way of thinking, we shouldn't exterminate every living being, but this is our world, we are the survivours, we are the destiny of this planet. species have died before, they all die eventually, we are the only ones that can try to secure our "immortality"... that is, we are the only ones striving for it.

Nice thinking...thatswhy u must look at the other thread what i answered you ("Why idiot people exist).U are a perfect match in that category.
Now let me show you some examples why...maby i can "enlight" you a bit:
I give you first reason and examples why to save and preserve thoose species:

Plants and animals hold medicinal, agricultural, ecological, commercial and aesthetic/recreational value. Endangered species must be protected and saved so that future generations can experience their presence and value.
Medicinal
Plants and animals are responsible for a variety of useful medications. In fact, about forty percent of all prescriptions written today are composed from the natural compounds of different species. These species not only save lives, but they contribute to a prospering pharmaceutical industry worth over $40 billion annually. Unfortunately, only 5% of known plant species have been screened for their medicinal values, although we continue to lose up to 100 species daily.
The Pacific yew, a slow-growing tree found in the ancient forests of the Pacific Northwest, was historically considered a "trash" tree (it was burned after clearcutting). However, a substance in its bark taxol was recently identified as one of the most promising treatments for ovarian and breast cancer. =GG no rmk ?

Additionally, more than 3 million American heart disease sufferers would perish within 72 hours of a heart attack without digitalis, a drug derived from the purple foxglove.

Agricultural
There are an estimated 80,000 edible plants in the world. Humans depend upon only 20 species of these plants, such as wheat and corn, to provide 90% of the world's food. Wild relatives of these common crops contain essential disease-resistant material. They also provide humans with the means to develop new crops that can grow in inadequate lands such as in poor soils or drought-stricken areas to help solve the world hunger problem. In the 1970s, genetic material from a wild corn species in Mexico was used to stop a leaf fungus that had previously wiped out 15% of the U.S. corn crop.
Ecological
Plant and animal species are the foundation of healthy ecosystems. Humans depend on ecosystems such as coastal estuaries, prairie grasslands, and ancient forests to purify their air, clean their water, and supply them with food. When species become endangered, it is an indicator that the health of these vital ecosystems is beginning to unravel. The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service estimates that losing one plant species can trigger the loss of up to 30 other insect, plant and higher animal species.
The northern spotted owl, listed as threatened in 1990, is an indicator of the declining health of the ancient forests of the Pacific Northwest. These forests are the home to over 100 other old-growth dependent species, which are at risk due to decades of unsustainable forest management practices.
Pollution off the coast of Florida is killing the coral reefs along the Florida Keys, which serve as habitat for hundreds of species of fish. Commercial fish species have begun to decline, causing a threat to the multi-million dollar tourism industry, which depends on the quality of the environment.
Commercial
Various wild species are commercially raised, directly contributing to local and regional economies. Commercial and recreational salmon fishing in the Pacific Northwest provides 60,000 jobs and $1 billion annually in personal income, and is the center of Pacific Northwest Native American culture. This industry and way of life, however, is in trouble as salmon decline due to habitat degradation from dams, clearcutting, and overgrazing along streams.
Freshwater mussels which are harvested, cut into beads, and used to stimulate pearl construction in oysters form the basis of a thriving industry which supports approximately 10,000 U.S. jobs and contributes over $700 million to the U.S. economy annually. Unfortunately, 43% of the freshwater mussel species in North America are currently endangered or extinct.

Examples of valuable extincted species:

Schomburgk's Deer, (http://www.petermaas.nl/extinct/speciesinfo/schomburgksdeer.htm)Falkland Island Wolf, (http://www.petermaas.nl/extinct/speciesinfo/falklandwolf.htm) Arabian Gazelle (http://www.petermaas.nl/extinct/speciesinfo/arabiangazelle.htm), Bluebuck (http://www.petermaas.nl/extinct/speciesinfo/bluebuck.htm), Steller's Sea Cow (http://www.petermaas.nl/extinct/speciesinfo/stellersseacow.htm), Caribbian Monk Seal (http://www.petermaas.nl/extinct/speciesinfo/caribbeanmonkseal.htm), Sea Mink (http://www.petermaas.nl/extinct/speciesinfo/seamink.htm), Sardinian Pika (http://www.petermaas.nl/extinct/speciesinfo/sardinianpika.htm),
Tasmanian Tiger (http://www.petermaas.nl/extinct/speciesinfo/tasmaniantiger.htm), Japanese Sea Lion (http://www.petermaas.nl/extinct/speciesinfo/japanesesealion.htm), Bubal Hartebeest (http://www.petermaas.nl/extinct/speciesinfo/bubalhartebeest.htm), Western Black Rhinoceros (http://www.petermaas.nl/extinct/speciesinfo/westernblackrhino.htm), Tarpan (http://www.petermaas.nl/extinct/speciesinfo/tarpan.htm), Syrian Wild Ass (http://www.petermaas.nl/extinct/speciesinfo/syrianwildass.htm), Quagga, (http://www.petermaas.nl/extinct/speciesinfo/quagga.htm)Caspian Tiger (http://www.petermaas.nl/extinct/speciesinfo/caspiantiger.htm), (http://www.petermaas.nl/extinct/speciesinfo/arabiangazelle.htm)Bali Tiger, (http://www.petermaas.nl/extinct/speciesinfo/balitiger.htm)Javan Tiger, . (http://www.petermaas.nl/extinct/speciesinfo/javantiger.htm)

Click on any name,u have links for details about that extincted
species(history,causes,etc).And the list can continue.Theese species look like a "f.o.c.k.e.r. wannabe spider" that wanna overcome you and eliminate your race(humans)?

U said before that :

we are the destiny of this planet

U wrong.Our entire planet is a "one living entity".What i mean is that we (humans) cant exist (survive) without the presence of others species:animals (pigs,cows,etc=they provide us meat,milk,etc),plants:corn,grain,etc=they provide us flour/creating bread,etc,u "wise man",u understand),forests=they provide us "natural air reclycle".If we dont preserve what we have...and we destroy everything in our path like a nuke...for money,lands,houses,factories,etc...then soon the next extincted species will be us.Think twice!!!

Cyas morron...no offense...but u are the first morron i've meet on this forum with such a "enlighted ideology".

P.S.1.) Sry for my bad gramar if u find some mistakes...
P.S.2.) Credits for links and etc:google.com. :P

[fatman69]

yes we can survive and that's a final...god i should know better than to go into these kinds of arguments with some greendweebs. you can shove that "one living entity crap" up your ass. where are the dinosaurs? dead, killed by a meteorite (the most plausible theory), where are the trilobites?? dead again... mass extinctions of animals have happened before and whether you hippies like it or not it will happen again, these few thousand years of human civilisation are just a mere second in Earth's history and yet we made a bigger impact on it than all the other species put together.


imagine this scenario, we all go extinict, animals, plants and humans,and some1 comes to Earth and explores its history. whose remaints will they see?will they see all the wonderfull piles of manure that cows left to remember them by, or the pretty bird's nest, or will it be the remaints of a civilisation whose buildings last for centuries and centuries, and who were the only ones smart enough to record all of that, to preserve the memories of the earth and all its beauties.


it is our god given right to conquer this earth, not to destroy it but to put it to our use, we are the ones that can change the world, and yes we need the help from animals, but we shouldn't cry like a bunch of sissies just cause a certain species had gone extinct...

[KeweLi]

This is where the question comes in:

Are we just species that get decomposed and recycled with no real life purpose, or are we part of a design?

You can believe in evolution...
There is no meaning of life. Life started from an explosion and the only outcome for us is to be recycled.

Or you can believe in creationism...
There is a meaning to life. A creator designed us to dominate all others (with a balance) and that creator will destroy the Earth one day.

[Kyree]

yes we can survive and that's a final...god i should know better than to go into these kinds of arguments with some greendweebs. you can shove that "one living entity crap" up your ass. where are the dinosaurs? dead, killed by a meteorite (the most plausible theory), where are the trilobites?? dead again... mass extinctions of animals have happened before and whether you hippies like it or not it will happen again, these few thousand years of human civilisation are just a mere second in Earth's history and yet we made a bigger impact on it than all the other species put together.

First of all in am not a "green dork" trying to explain and make propagand to "green hippies".In fact,to be honest i dont even like nature.I hate to take care of animals (home pets,ex: cat,dog,parrot,etc=too much responsability),i hate take care of plants (when i was little my mom banned me from TV becouse i didnt wanted to wet her flowers pots).But i have a "ideology" that in my opinion is fair and normal: what was left by "GoD" ,let it how it was left.What means that ? I mean that humans shouldnt interfere in nature's balance.If "GoD" left animals in wild (lions and goats to live together,eating eachother) is theyr problem.Why we must go to destroy all what nature created?We bring "inbalance" that finally will affect us too.
For example u buy a land near my land.And u want to build a house.But i am stronger that you,i come to you,i beat ur ass,i take your land and i build a condom factory on your land.It's the survival of the fittest?Same thing happends in nature too: we go destroy forests ( home of animals) to build factories,houses,etc.We pollute oceans,seeas,rivers (we kill entire species of fish) for what ?We use cars that pollute and thins the ozone layer,resulting the grow of the seea level.And for what ?Take example Amsterdam: in the center of the city u cant travel with cars,only with bicycles.Same in Finland (they try to reduce the pollution) using non-pollution vehicles.
After that u come to me with the answer that "GoD" put us in this world to rule it and do w/e we want ?
P.S.U cant compare dinosaurs extinction with what is happening now.That happend millions of years,happend once.We do this every day !



imagine this scenario, we all go extinict, animals, plants and humans,and some1 comes to Earth and explores its history. whose remaints will they see?will they see all the wonderfull piles of manure that cows left to remember them by, or the pretty bird's nest, or will it be the remaints of a civilisation whose buildings last for centuries and centuries, and who were the only ones smart enough to record all of that, to preserve the memories of the earth and all its beauties.

What beauty u see here to leave for others civilisation that might visit earth after our extinction?
http://images.google.ro/imgres?imgurl=http://kassandraproject.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/air-pollution-systems.jpg&imgrefurl=http://kassandraproject.wordpress.com/2007/12/03/corporations-profit-and-pollution/&usg=__d_AW-Wx2HfLOHPEFmkc7lPfvDFc=&h=340&w=393&sz=22&hl=ro&start=2&um=1&tbnid=y8vO7KpiRE_qCM:&tbnh=107&tbnw=124&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dpollution%26um%3D1%26hl%3Dro%26client %3Dfirefox-a%26channel%3Ds%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:ro:official%26 sa%3DNhttp://taheny.com/2006_12_31_lahore_rubbish_pollution_520x390.JPG
Here?
http://www.mousetrax.com/PetPics/Hurricane_animals.jpg
Or maby here?
http://www.mcgillcharities.com/bin/modules/mod_global_content/universality-of-suffering/human_suffering_14.jpg

it is our god given right to conquer this earth, not to destroy it but to put it to our use, we are the ones that can change the world, and yes we need the help from animals, but we shouldn't cry like a bunch of sissies just cause a certain species had gone extinct...

A certain species? Man where do u live?Moon ? Its about thousands...not 1-2 species.Looked the example in the other post?We extincted a tree,and now we discovered that,that tree coulded provide us some treatment to cancer.Was it good?


This is where the question comes in:

Are we just species that get decomposed and recycled with no real life purpose, or are we part of a design?

That is a very interesting question.Are we part of a plan,plan that includes our destruction and after that to be again recycled or not.
A theory was that we humans,long time ago reached our tehnologically apogee and we destroyed ourself.Some survided but started again from zero.The thing is that this cycle is repeating again,and that in the end we destroy ourself again,then again start from zero...again destroy...etc...

[fatman69]

look, the reasons my posts are extreme is that i'm pretty much sick of every generalised opinion. almost every thread opened on this topic has a a similar scheme :

1st post- long, big, lotsa descriptions how and where we are destroying the earth (or sth similar), generally ending with the basic idea : "If we don't change sth soon, we are dead in 20 years or something...."

2nd post- ye i agree, very big pollution around us
3rd post- omg yes, we are so destroying the earth, (gives example from his/her own experience/posts a pic similar to yours)
4th- (now this is where the true spam garbage begins) - agreeing, quoting 1st and 2nd post, agreeing with them, then also giving his/her own example
5th- omg We are so destructive (humans) we gonna suicide earth (this is basically quoting, i don't know what retard is responsible for this, but i know i've seen it somewhere)
6th- ye i agree we need to take care of this earth, after all we didn't inherit it from the past but borrowed it from our children
7th - ye stop destroying our beautiful earth...bla bla bla, another paragraph of hippy garbage and so on and on and on...


it's not that i don't agree withe ecology, it's not that i hate nature, i'm actually quite an outdoorsman, i enjoy wildlife, but i'm already sickened with tv-news being filled with similar junk. everytime a small accident happens, our tv-reporters blow it out of all proportions, not to mention the global-warming theories and global climate changes....man when those things appear on the screen i feel like throwing the tellie out and finding those bastards to brutally murder them for blowing the thing that was blown out of all proportions for so many times.

ye we get it species are dying, it's not right what japs (and other nations' fleets) did to whales, but species come and go, the earth is constantly changing, so it's just a matter of time.all we are doing is speeding the proces up a bit, i agree we could benefit from some species, but i believe too much time and effort is wasted on some environmentalist actions.

and believe me, i really hate to see one-sided discussions (like this), i guess no1 believes that we are the carriers of knowledge on this earth, why shouldn't we live in harmony and nature with the rest of the wildlife, until something hits us and we become another extinct species. isn't it better to make the best out of our own existence and leave a trace...(again keeping in mind, that mass murdering animals isn't gonna help anyone)