i think treant is a good hero

[Prehistoric]

can someone tell me what are the best tings to buy for treant protector and give me some tips how to play well with him

[hamarki]

well i think that getting boots and then radiance right after is pretty good, all u have to do is hide near trees until there's a good time to launch you ultimate and maybe get some kills

[LifeDrainer[RO]]

well.......good decent items for treant....

-radiance
-boots of travel
-sometimes if you want to have fun go mask of madness
-refresher orb
-others...it depends of situation,or game level...if you want to have some fun etc.

edit:well don't forget to use 3rd spell to heal+armor you and your allies as many times you can....wait for a proper moment to activate your ultimate....use 2nd spell,and with some knowledge you can have a big advantage by viewing some esential places from map.......1st spell to escape/organise some gank etc...practice make perfect :)

[-eXtasY-]

Necrimonicon is great item for trent also, while refresher is just must have....

[FLaMeSeeKeR]

Reamember to get Ring Of Basilius as first item ! :>
ps: And don't listen Those NuBs up :D

[IceBird]

Reamember to get Ring Of Basilius as first item ! :>
ps: And don't listen Those NuBs up :D

lol alone u nab :D

always get ancient tangoes of essification to eat ur own kind :laugh:
oh yeah well tree me always get refresher first then maybe a radiance or satanic
if no tanks in team.

[Kazmaer]

I usually go for battle Treant = Sny, Vladmir, Monkey, Heart.

My treant is unstoppable and unkillable.

[Ryaelin]

when u make radiator, u would buy kelen's dagger if they somehow place wards somewhere and u are still in invis :D

[LifeDrainer[RO]]

when u make radiator, u would buy kelen's dagger if they somehow place wards somewhere and u are still in invis :D

yea.....radiator owns

[fatman69]

i don't think refresher is always a good idea. don't get me wrong, 6 sec mass stun is imba but it also requires some mana pool and regen expansions so you'd have to get some nulls or even euls. i'd go for refresher only if they dont have over 2 fat heroes(strength and some ursa-like fat agilities with lots of hp)

but ofc radiance always classic, i think the list of items that treant wouldn't benefit from is rather thin, it just takes some creativity and good play

[ribacbacri]

I ussualy max out second spell at start, because the more u max, the less is the cooldown so i can place a lot of eyes so basicly see whoe map.

Flying courier is good greta benefit for hem because his eye placing range is greater than his sight so to succesfully place eye against some pro players u will need this and place eye on 2nd or 3 td tree in line. This will give u greater sight renage on eyes and they wont see eye except they ave flying courier to.

[VengefulSpammer]

i agree that getting radiator first is the good idea

then get refresher althought im not sure how much would you benefit from something that you can use once in 4 minutes...anyway pros say that refresher rulz on him so i say that too cuz i want to be known as pro :)

[[SyS]-Killer]

Y0u all say that radi 1st item is good...well..in a decent game i only saw 2 brances 1 circlet and radi fast. IS wrong cuz if u play vs EVEN average players they know to buy observers or they pick a lumber jack and buh buy tree w/o boots ( cuz u pro and buy radi).best choise imo is old hot and then radi.

[Intruder.CZ]

Y radi is allway good for famr and mass dmg to enemy, but it depend on game ofc if take radi first or refresh, e.g. in one game i played they own our asses and only hope was my ulti(as a treant) so i go refresh not radi +2 null for mana then double>all death>push mid>again double ulti>win. If i didnt do refresher as first item we certainly lose

[Intruder.CZ]

i agree that getting radiator first is the good idea

then get refresher althought im not sure how much would you benefit from something that you can use once in 4 minutes...anyway pros say that refresher rulz on him so i say that too cuz i want to be known as pro :)

U ask what benefit u have from refreshr? Man u kidding as? Refreshr=double ulti=about 9s of stun+dmg+our team have time to kill them all. Its maximalyze ur and ur team potencial for DEF or PUSH. ofc + radi u do realy serious dmg in double ulti

[Xenocide.]

starting item , ring ( 5 hp reg ) you end with this item into a refresher

radiance
travelings ,
1 heart
cuirass
monkey bar

well this is my item build fo roof

[ThePrivate]

start with 4 tree

dont forget use armor and hp regen skill

always use

first buy scrad relic and make some gang

back base and buy boot

after boot make gang again and farm

buy ring buy void

make gang and farm

andd refresher ready

probably ur team will win

[Hominghead]

im liking Tree Tank,

Cuirass,
Tarasque,
Bfury,
Satanic,
BoT,
Refresher.

are the things that fit him.
Ofc u cant have Tarasque and Satanic in the Same game, since its overpriced, but depends on Situations what u are in and what enemies are against u.

[VamoS_GringO]

You dont see the point,rushing radi is a great tactic since it allows you to farm your other items much faster al let you get some kills or help your carry get the kills.Heart before Radi is not a good idea since imo hes disabling the enemies so your team8s can rape them most of the time,he doesnt tank that much dmg as some other tanks usally do.My starting items:2 circlets,2tangos and 2 branches.These items allows you to spam your armor,eyes and a lot of lifesaving invs.When i dont go for radi as my 1st item im rushing refresher in combination with 2-3nulls or necro.

[Slayzer]

~BoT
~sange and yasha(isn't bad at all)
~heart
~satanic
~refresher
~currias

maybe not the best order...

[VamoS_GringO]

dagon,meka,mask of madness and desolator are the best items for treant,you noobs...

[Mr.7error]

Lil_GringO;772928']dagon,meka,mask of madness and desolator are the best items for treant,you noobs...

Add mjolir and satanic and it's teh best.

[Ubern00b]

Lil_GringO;766425']You dont see the point,rushing radi is a great tactic since it allows you to farm your other items much faster al let you get some kills or help your carry get the kills.Heart before Radi is not a good idea since imo hes disabling the enemies so your team8s can rape them most of the time,he doesnt tank that much dmg as some other tanks usally do.My starting items:2 circlets,2tangos and 2 branches.These items allows you to spam your armor,eyes and a lot of lifesaving invs.When i dont go for radi as my 1st item im rushing refresher in combination with 2-3nulls or necro.

Totally agree. This is probably the first realistic item build in this whole thread.

It is impossible to farm all the items posted in the other ppl posts; well lets face it if u are playing vs decent opponents u should be lucky if u get radi and refresher before the game finishes.

[CroNichaR]

I agree with ubernoob

[[RO]Claudiu]

vs spellcasters : BoT , HooD , S&Y , vladimir , heart , cuirass . ( all these items are more important than radiance .. so no radi )

vs range heroes : BoT , butterfly , skady , Basher , Radiance , Heart .

vs melee heroes : Power Treads (str . when u use ulti switch to int then switch to str ) , butterfly , satanic , burizza , basher , basher .

vs tank heroes : treads ( str ) , blademail , blasemail , butterfly , satanic , burizza . ( lifesteal , evasion , reflect , critical )

in a team of 5v5 :

- BoT : for teleport and ms , u can push on 2 sides using teleport and farm safe ( u see a gang comming to u then u tp on another lane )

- refresher ( 2xOvergroth ) +mana reg + hp reg .

- radiance - dmg , evasion . use invizibility with the radiance effect .

- necronomicon - creates the extra targets ( the demons ) witch can absobe some of the incoming damage ( luna's ulti for example , she kills one demon and not only wastes some Lucent Beam's but takes dmg for killing the demon , the manaburn ( active and passive ) .

-satanic

- Guinsoo's Scythe of Vyse : hex + mana + stats

[VengefulSpammer]

prehistoric, I just want to add, that I found myself being amazed that you think that Treant is a good hero.

[Light_of_Hell]

well you must start wilt radiance ( not with radiator becasuse when I read that word I thinken that I will laugh my head off), the first mistake that you can make is that you will start with refreshorb, so if if you start with taht item you will not do anithing becase your mana will not enough with ulti+refresh+ulti, start with boots radiance, mask of madnes or hyperstone, than you can make refresh orb & what item you want

[-eXtasY-]

In rd is the best to get basilius and 2 tangos , because all you need is mana regen. Take down line solo and mass farm while being close to your tower. Preferable you should have one jungler so your carry will have solo mid , and you'll have someone to gang everytime you get ulty. Since you have that imba invis and eyes , it will be almost impossible to kill you. Great attack animation , great demage , great armour/regen with observers.. what do you want more? Good last hit and you will have radi in ~20 min ;) After it , everything is a joke.

[Sinistermax]

Getting Radiance At First Is pretty Nifting Move You could get radiance by just laning in about 20 Min or So.Since you got Living Armor which +12 armor and Regen Quick as Sh*t + when Gangbang You still got Invis right? Even using Eye as Ward is really a smart move but not recommend on Early game since people still holding Tango also not to talk about his 3.4 Str Grow which make his HP Uber High and Hi Damage easy for last Shotting Creep after that go for a boot then Refresher is quite Good Hope this helps

[Sinistermax]

WTF? Didn't Notice that -eXtasY- already mention almost every thing i say - - honestly what i ja Replied come from myself not from anyone else

[glop2]

Question : Shiva or Radiance?

Well, i was a big fan of Radi on many firestarter STR heroes, until i saw my friend play Shiva on many on them (SK, Levi, Tiny...). And this item can be as good as Radi, and even more with Treant.

Here are the pros and cons...

In teamfight, his ulti will catch a team for 5s (level3). Radiance for 5s = 5 * 35 = 175 dmg. Shiva's blast = 200 dmg (+40%slow). But the blast has a cooldown, radi doesnt...

Radiance will reveal your position and break a part of the advantage you got when you're using Nature's Guise. And with obs wards, your ennemy can even see neutral creeps moving away from their spots when they are disturbed by an invi radiance.

Shiva's aura will not work when you are invi.

Radiance is good for farming, but does the hero with the greatest base damage need something like that to last hit properly? You can even miss creeps because of that immolation...

Shiva will provide you with the necessary mana to use Refresher Orb. And Refresher Orb is a must have. Meaning you must buy something for mana, only to use your refresher (ok, int treads could do the job, but where are your BOT then? Remember, you MUST use your ulti somewhere on the map as soon as you got it ready...)

Shiva = 2700 + 1400 + 600 = 4700 gold (pieces are easier to farm, just start with Platemail, or Mystic staff if you already got Refresher and need mana)
Radiance = 3800 + 1525 = 5325 gold (1525 gold only for the immolation effect + that silly 8% evasion)

And overall, radiance is a carry item... and Treant is a support imho :tiphat:

So, what do you think?

[Tkc]Fear]

Question : Shiva or Radiance?

Well, i was a big fan of Radi on many firestarter STR heroes, until i saw my friend play Shiva on many on them (SK, Levi, Tiny...). And this item can be as good as Radi, and even more with Treant.

Here are the pros and cons...

In teamfight, his ulti will catch a team for 5s (level3). Radiance for 5s = 5 * 35 = 175 dmg. Shiva's blast = 200 dmg (+40%slow). But the blast has a cooldown, radi doesnt...

Radiance will reveal your position and break a part of the advantage you got when you're using Nature's Guise. And with obs wards, your ennemy can even see neutral creeps moving away from their spots when they are disturbed by an invi radiance.

Shiva's aura will not work when you are invi.

First of all that blast is reduced by 25% so it is 150 damage. Same for Radiance aura.

About invi thing, yes it kinda " reveals " your position but let's be serious.....who will know where you are ?

Radiance is good for farming, but does the hero with the greatest base damage need something like that to last hit properly? You can even miss creeps because of that immolation...

You can miss creeps because of immolation? : ))

Shiva will provide you with the necessary mana to use Refresher Orb. And Refresher Orb is a must have. Meaning you must buy something for mana, only to use your refresher (ok, int treads could do the job, but where are your BOT then? Remember, you MUST use your ulti somewhere on the map as soon as you got it ready...)

In case you go Refresher , Shiva pretty good choice.

Shiva = 2700 + 1400 + 600 = 4700 gold (pieces are easier to farm, just start with Platemail, or Mystic staff if you already got Refresher and need mana)
Radiance = 3800 + 1525 = 5325 gold (1525 gold only for the immolation effect + that silly 8% evasion)

Only immolation effect? I wouldn't call it only.


And overall, radiance is a carry item... and Treant is a support imho :tiphat:

So, what do you think?

It isn't " carry item " and it is core build for Treant.

You got guide around here somewhere supporting it also.

Anyway Treant is crap hero overall so why even bother .

[OMGBergrush]

And overall, radiance is a carry item... and Treant is a support imho :tiphat:

So, what do you think?

treat has been a staple hero in both competitive and pub games for as long as dota exists because he is pure quality. consequently item builds for him have been worked to death and radiance is pretty much a necessity while even the mighty refresher is not so dont argue with what is already tried and true just submit to the will of the mass and accept it for a fact.

Fear;834681']Anyway Treant is crap hero overall so why even bother .

are you ****ing lol?

[Tkc]Fear]

You got problem with people stating their opinions ? : )))

I think he is crap hero and no fun to play. Problem?

[-eXtasY-]

I think he is crap hero
You should write it on beggining of your first post so we would know not to lose time reading the rest. ;)

[LifeDrainer[RO]]

a hero with ability of making whole team invis, helping mates to survive. eyes so he can have sight of almost all map (true sight also), +12 armor and 4 hp reg per second, and 5 seconds of preventing enemys from moving/attacking and dealing some dmg per second, is definetely a overall crap hero :)

not to mention very good starting dmg/hp, you can last hit nice with it etc...

and its fun to play too, and to express your opinion is 1 thing, to write that treant is crap is....

[Tkc]Fear]

I don't see that imba hero picked too much in competetive , correct me if I am wrong.

As I said I don't like that hero and I think he is crap compared to other heroes you can choose : )

Here is my explanation :

I mean making team invis is good but in serious game it's normal to have wards.

Eyes countered too easly by tangoes and purge ,since eye spots are quite common f.e always at rune and 1 min after you place someone ate it. ( also eyes are easy to notice )

Ultimate is target spell therefore countered by linken. Also most heroes will have BKB to counter it too.

Living armor is quite good since you can stay on lane unlimited ammount of time.

Anyway that's why I think he is crap , if you think opposite explain your point of wiew : )

You should write it on beggining of your first post so we would know not to lose time reading the rest. ;)

: ) I explained in this post.

Also considering his ultimate . QoP / PotM will be surely picked by enemy team ( at least one of them ) . When you do ulti it is almost impossible you catch whole enemy team since QoP ( or PotM ) will always blink in/leap ( or any similiar type of hero ) from flanks therefore wont be affected. So in best case I think you can disable 3 ^^. Let's say one of that 3 has linken and hasn't been targeted before he will block ulti too so it makes 2 .

[LifeDrainer[RO]]

yea, sure
there are some spots that are not that common, and they cant have wards everywhere, also treant's ulti is not that easy to counter as you may belive...nvm...

forget about it, treant is crap gg no re

[Tkc]Fear]

Yes there are some spots that are not that common . That's few and sure you won't have vision of almost all map ; )

I think it's pretty easy to counter, can you explain why not as I explained why I think it is?

[WhiteAngel10]

Calm down guys....lol....Treant is a GREAT hero....but he isn't hero for killing..he is for supporting team....it's like tiches....he doesn't make fast lvls and it's impossible to kill anybody in 1v1 (at roshan) without placing land mines and suicide....and I think that Fear doesn't like this kinds of hero....he likes heroes for killing AKA agility like troll or riki or trax etc...and as he sayed , everyone with his opinion.....I think that clockwerk is a GREAT hero but he says he is crap , he thinks that treant is a bad hero , I think he is good , so everyone with his opinion :P:happy1:

[Tkc]Fear]

You are wrong I almost never play Riki/Trax/Troll . I will take troll only in 1v1 if enemy isn't pusher hero.

And I don't think treant is bad hero I think he is bad compared to other heroes you can take instead.

[LifeDrainer[RO]]

And I don't think treant is bad hero I think he is bad compared to other heroes you can take instead.

this is signature material no offence ;)

i let this pass since i doubt its worth to explain actually how wrong you are

just as a side note, berg (ex ss mod), extasy (ex ss mod/dota mod), and I, told you same thing, and many others can say same...you think we are wrong and treant is not good ? imba :>

[Tkc]Fear]

Whats weird in that?

If Treant is so good how come he is almost not picked in competetive.....

All I see here Drainer, is you sayng some stuff and when I ask you to explain you say " nvm " . : )

I clearly explained my point if you won't / can't explain yours don't comment mine , thanks.

PS : We saw few days ago how treant was imba when you played it , remember?

PS2 : once again it is MY opinion and you DON'T have to agree with it but then explain yours.

[Joe_SmOe]

Anyway Treant is crap hero overall so why even bother .

JUST lol...if u don't like it don't say he is crap(i say he is imba)

[LifeDrainer[RO]]

treant cant play a game alone

and i explain if i see its worth to explain...when you started that treant its crap, its like trying to explain to my mom why a 1.9 TDI 130 HP runs @ lower turbo presure (1.35 bar) then 150 HP version who runs @ 1.5 bar, and which is the difference between those turbos, or the difference between quattro (torsen differential, permanent 4x4) and 4motion from VW who actually uses Haldex diff who is not permanet, its 4x4 only when its needed...same goes here. And if a team with treant picked lose a game, this mean treant is not good?=)), mby that happend because my teammates were actually pretty low skilled?outpick?etc?hmm?

ps: i dont need to explain some ovbious thing, mby berg or extasy will waste their time doing this for you, but meanwhile you can read Treant Guide

[Tkc]Fear]

I agree your teammates were lower skilled but mine wasn't dream team either apart from 1 clan mate. ( and you had Rake in team also )

You don't need to explain "obvious" thing? Maybe you can't explain ,then don't comment at all because when I take my time to explain my theory then someone comes and says " rofl u sux " , refusing to explain his point , or something like that it pisses me off.

Also 2 times you choose not to answer my question " why treant isn't often picked in comptetive dota? " . I saw him only few times everytime getting owned , usually going mid and giving free farm to enemy .

[LifeDrainer[RO]]

yes i cant explain :funny:

As i said, your first skill will be helpfull many times, yes they will have wards but you cant ward all map, and some good players will plant eyes in some nice spots, not so easy to destroy. Also riki/rexxar/lina/ can destroy eyes but you cant really pick them just for that. And untill enemy sees them/destroys, they can do the job pretty well. What you see in pub, eye planted in the middle of the 'road' where even a blind player will see them its a different story.That +12 armor, and +4 hp reg is total crap isnt it?And you said that BKB counters ulti, but the most important part of ulti is that times spent w/o moving not that dmg. Also you are pretty far from competitive dota level, therefore you cant compare yourself with them, since its a huge difference and a lot of things differ between the dota you play, and they play. And btw you are not that right with that 'picked not so often and fails usually'...And i can write much bigger post but as i said i dont wanna waste my time, or you can consider that i cant =))

[Fika[F]]

Tkc]Fear is wrong when saying treant is crap hero ofc... but hes not completly wrong, there are situations where he is crap, simply depends on pick, if the oposite team has a spell combo, e.g. magnus+shaker+crix+enigma+nevermore then treant is crap y cuz he's ulty doesn't stop the enemy from casting their combo (only when combined with silencer and his ulty they give 100% disable).
In other situations trent is uber usefull (e.g. team got alot of attack/move dependant heroes)... but if u ask me I'd pick silencer with trent always... 2ultys are pure 5 sec of whole team disabled...

edit:
since i described ulty only..
all other spells are gr8 and very usefull to your team, only catch is... your eyes can be countered easy if a hero in the oposite team got a tree-destroying spell :S, but man you gotta remember eyes not only give you sight they give you true sight!

[Tkc]Fear]

Thanks for you explaining.

And it just reminded me BM/lina (not riki) will probably be picked too so they will destroy eyes as well apart from purge/tangoes.

That +12 armor, and +4 hp reg is total crap isnt it?

Learn to read please. And show me where I said it is crap . Here is what I said :

Living armor is quite good since you can stay on lane unlimited ammount of time.

I said it sux? ; )

And btw you are not that right with that 'picked not so often and fails usually'.

Considering I watch 95% games played in competetive I belive I am right since I don't see treant there.

Anyway who cares, you think what you want I will what I want. : )

edit by fear: Don't edit my posts to answer them you can post yourself.

[_Kyuubi_]

Fear what do u say about this : treant with refresher linken radiance,hex??

[Fika[F]]

He didn't mean you said that living armor was crap, he solved that sarcasam he asked you why did you point out that he thinks its crap when he didn't stated it anywhere.
Fear what do u say about this : treant with refresher linken radiance,hex??
gtfo... "what do you think about void with 100 divines, 25 hots, 16567 buterfllys 27 burizas and a satanic (too bad 100 satanic don't stack :<)"

[_Kyuubi_]

Fika u think with ur little head? i asked him, 4 his opinion. it was a simple question and WTF??? u intervine? are u his girl? just stand in ur room BOY!

I asked him a simple question, i dont have bad intention ! i just asked him, and why u intervine?
U fell the need to post off topic?
Im sick of childrens like u who post just because they are bored and fell the need to be seen interesting!

[Fika[F]]

At the first part of your post... I think my dog could make fun of/offend me better... but ok.... lets get to the point.

Im sick of childrens like u who post just because they are bored and fell the need to be seen interesting!
I'm sick of CHILDREN like u who post "what do you think post's" of heroes with imba items, my dear child you will understand that every hero can rule with the certain items, even techie with divine, curias, buriza, satanic, bkb, bot can own. And even so you didn't even put the right items(not completly missed but for that cash you can do better)... you just threw a couple of good items and asked is this rox.
So you see why posts like yours are stupid.

[_Kyuubi_]

dear kinder(meaning children;)) i asked him because u can do that items and not having20-0 in min 15:| u farm with that hero very well, thats my poin and if u dont like it dont post again that -_- ;). in my opinion treat its a balanced hero, mediocre but u can play with him realy good if u know. it was a inocent question i dont gett it why u intervine..:| but what ever.. :| i just asked him $ his opinion, read my post again and u will see ;). stay on topic ;), the threads name its i think treant its a good hero, i just sayd my opinion, and asked 4 another? whats wrong in that?

[LifeDrainer[RO]]

as i said we dont talk about pubs, especially EM where you farm like hell, a lot of gold...so get real

[Fika[F]]

but we are discusing treant, and I say that in a decent game you can't farm those items... no way... maybe you even could if you buy bot farm all game w/o helping mates and using ulty on mass creep waves gg no re u is farming imba :laugh:
In a decent game where oponents gank you (if you say he got invi spell ill say now they got a suport that brought wards so i dont waste forum space on another post) and where you need to be with your team, providing regen/armor/invi as much as possible you can't farm that cash.
And ofc trent is balanced hero, its a balanced game thats one of the things its popular for, many ways-many combos, many counters, and all in a balanced way.

while I was writing drainer shortened the truth a bit :)
;834857']as i said we dont talk about pubs, especially EM where you farm like hell, a lot of gold...so get real


p.s. you really impressed me with your german-language knowlage... I mean you must be some kind of a wunderkind, teach me more words... o great sensei....

[_Kyuubi_]

yes i know but i just wanted a opinion, nothing more ^^;)

u can farm with him well, in pubs u get that kinda cash. but nvm.
sry 4 the missunderstood, i was refering 4 pubs, because they are more frequent

[Fika[F]]

You want an opinion?
It rox, trent with refresher linken, radiance, hex, ROX, KICKS ASS, same as all heroes with imba items so don't ask for any more opinions, cuz rox is the answer to all your questions. When you get real and grow up come back and ask some decent questions, till then be smart and don't ask "what do you think about riki with 5 buterflly and bot in 5 minute it good?".

u can farm with him well, in pubs u get that kinda cash. but nvm.
sry 4 the missunderstood, i was refering 4 pubs, because they are more frequent

pubs... especially em pubs are not relevant in discusing is a hero good or not cuz in pubs everything can go and you can pwn with the most noob build (I remeber making mjolnir on cent just for fun and I pwned lal)

[Tkc]Fear]

Fear what do u say about this : treant with refresher linken radiance,hex??

Good but as Fika said it is hard to farm those items , especially with hero who can't clear creeps ( expect ulti ), in no EM game if your enemies are any good.

;834868']pubs... especially em pubs are not relevant in discusing is a hero good or not cuz in pubs everything can go and you can pwn with the most noob build (I remeber making mjolnir on cent just for fun and I pwned lal)


He couldn't say it any better.

;834800']Tkc]Fear is wrong when saying treant is crap hero ofc... but hes not completly wrong, there are situations where he is crap, simply depends on pick, if the oposite team has a spell combo, e.g. magnus+shaker+crix+enigma+nevermore then treant is crap y cuz he's ulty doesn't stop the enemy from casting their combo (only when combined with silencer and his ulty they give 100% disable).
In other situations trent is uber usefull (e.g. team got alot of attack/move dependant heroes)... but if u ask me I'd pick silencer with trent always... 2ultys are pure 5 sec of whole team disabled...

You forgot items which aren't affected by silencer's ultimate. Also one counter came to my mind, Tide ( if no sile ofc ) and I think it is perfect.

Also I am tired of arguing is he crap or not . As I said there are many better heroes and he is too easy to counter. Anyone can think what they want.

[LifeDrainer[RO]]

Kyuubi, its last time when i say to you, USE EDIT FUNCTION, and stop double posting, thx

[[gdl]shadow]

hi :)

if u have garena isntaled....just enter garena TV>Refresh The WCG channel in it and lots of games will appear....just watch the game name: wcg 3rd-4th indonesia vs malay
start time is 10/08 10:56:26 length 00:57:59

and see "stupid"treant who was the only chance of his team to win the game...gg no re

[Tkc]Fear]

If treant was only chance to win game it is kinda pathetic.

What were picks/lineups?

[Fika[F]]

Fear;835070']If treant was only chance to win game it is kinda pathetic.

What were picks/lineups?

I don't get why you think trent sux SO much... he got a nice ulty, he got nice suport spells everything nice...
apart from the things we discused... but every hero has many counters.

[Tkc]Fear]

Because : )

but every hero has many counters.

Yea but Treant's all skills can be countered and it is kinda easy.

[LifeDrainer[RO]]

this is getting more and more rofl

see?that is why i didnt try to explain, since i dont have where, as far as i see fear lacks some skills, and continues his pitiful statements, after everyone tryed to explain that he is totally wrong, but mby he is some unknown pro :)

no offence meant

Yea but Treant's all skills can be countered and it is kinda easy.

definetely =))

how can you counter ulti?armor?even invis, you cant ward all map you know, not to mention a well placed eye...nvm forget about it

[Tkc]Fear]

Drainer you make me laugh. : )

Again I say you don't know how to read since I explained everything : )

How can you counter ulti?

BKB/Linken/Tide ulti

even invis

You ward lanes and support carry wards with you so you plant when he goes invi : )

Also there is Zeus, which is quite often picked and has truesight spells ( which you witnessed few days ago xD )

a well played eye

Tango for ground ones, DB/purge ( dusa ) for ones which you can't eat.

All the time you say " nvm forget about it " and then you come comment again . Funny.

As I said alerady we saw your imba treant in game few days ago you did imba : ))

PS : Maybe this will be more clear for you : ) , why pick Treant when there are at least 20-25 heroes which will do WAY better in game ?

[LifeDrainer[RO]]

I see you have some comprehension problems, therefore il try to quit this senseless conversations with some final notes

1. You cant say ulti is easely countered by Linken since its not that cheap, and as i said we dont talk about 1v1 nor about noob pubs so there are 349394 skills who will trigger linken before so dont be naive. About BKB i said that not that dmg is important, or maybe you dont know what you said and how that actually works
2.So you must make diffusal in every game so you counter some eyes?or pick lina/riki and gg...rofl
3. I thought you understood that treant cant own alone, and most of my team in that game was nab, and Rake's pc is weak anyway, but in last days he died almost completly, so he barely can see anything through spikes, but this was a unknown issue by you, what does it matter anyway....also i did not play so brilliant that game too. But if you drow a conclusion based on 1 random game, its nonsense
4.why pick Treant when there are at least 20-25 heroes which will do WAY better in game ?
Any decent player knows that heroes are designed for some purpose, and if you say that in his domain, are 25 better heroes then threant, all i can do is roll on the flour laughing, and start doing something more interesting then quoting your posts

ps: now i saw you actually bolded those 20-25, so ther are actually more =)), which is pure lol giving the fact that treant is one of best heroes you can pick of his kind. But it seems no one, no ss mod(s)/dota mods, experienced ss players (pawnzor[rulez] aka shadow)...no one maged to convince you how WRONG you are...but,you as trial ss player, 50-50 for approved, almost average user (almsost), come here and write such things. Pretty imba in my opinion.Il ask you to stop writing anything relating this, I/we saw what you actually think and this might confuse some users who want to actually learn something from these forums

[OMGBergrush]

SILENCE!!!
I DEMAND PROPER RESPECT TO BE SHOWN HERE!

1st of all treat is so ****ing imba because HE WILL FARM...YOU WILL NOT HARASS HIM...you may try but you will soon realize that because of his absurd hp reg and armor it really has no point and the only hope you have to deny him money is to deny creeps which is rather hard considering he has one of the best base attack values in the game.

2nd invis easy to counter? not really unless you count buying tons of wards which costs money and even if you see him it takes A LOT to take down a good treant

3rd eyes easy to counter? mby you like buying tangos all the time to eat trees he placed everywhere i sure dont

his ulty is the stuff of nightmares too going straight through bkb and sphere is easy enough to counter even in 1-1 let alone a team game where any of your teammates can use an expendable skill to neutralize it. and all these solutions you mention to be easy and effective cost A LOT of gold...you know the stuff you need to make good items

[LifeDrainer[RO]]

That is what i tryed to explain, about bkb, that dmg is +/- not so important, imba are those 5 seconds of no attack and no movement, but maybe he does not know that his ulti goes through bkb...i already wrote this twice (not in this way, in a way that should make him understand that, but seems it did not)

ps: ulti its not easy to counter not in 1v1...i saw 1v1 game some months ago

Berg treant vs Unknown player by me, average though who was playing void. He made linken, and berg made Necro, who anihilated his linken and also took all his chances of winning....and this was 1v1, imagine how hard is to counter in 5v5, one hero or 2 or w/e (i doubt all team will have it), with so many skills...

[Tkc]Fear]

Drainer it is simple. You got ego problem and God himself won't make you admit when you are wrong...as I know from time you infractioned me and after I proven you are wrong you didn't want to remove infraction but it's OFFT so nvm.


1. You cant say ulti is easely countered by Linken since its not that cheap, and as i said we dont talk about 1v1 nor about noob pubs so there are 349394 skills who will trigger linken before so dont be naive. About BKB i said that not that dmg is important, or maybe you dont know what you said and how that actually works

If you say so master.

2.So you must make diffusal in every game so you counter some eyes?or pick lina/riki and gg...rofl

Tangoes..something you buy from shop.

In some games you will make DB, not all. It is just option if you got enemy for which you need it.

BM/lina and some other " woodcutters " are in every game expect when they are banned.

3. I thought you understood that treant cant own alone, and most of my team in that game was nab, and Rake's pc is weak anyway, but in last days he died almost completly, so he barely can see anything through spikes, but this was a unknown issue by you, what does it matter anyway....also i did not play so brilliant that game too. But if you drow a conclusion based on 1 random game, its nonsense

One game with such master of dota as you should be enough to draw conclusion . Treant sucks ( or at least when you play him ).

Any decent player knows that heroes are designed for some purpose, and if you say that in his domain, are 25 better heroes then threant, all i can do is roll on the flour laughing, and start doing something more interesting then quoting your posts

His domain? : )

There are 20-25 heroes that will get picked above treant.

Treant so imba saw many games in competetive : ))

Anyway I am tired of arguing one post I say treant sux one you say Treant owns : ) So you think he is imba I think he isn't gg stop posting about that matter.

@Berg :

Well for 90 gold you take down 2 of his trees not that costy.

I know wards cost lot of money and other solutions I said as well. But it isn't that costy , you take down 1 enemy tower you can buy 5 sets of wards which is much .

I know BKB isn't best solution because damage is not big but anyway....it is one of counters.


1st of all treat is so ****ing imba because HE WILL FARM...YOU WILL NOT HARASS HIM...you may try but you will soon realize that because of his absurd hp reg and armor it really has no point and the only hope you have to deny him money is to deny creeps which is rather hard considering he has one of the best base attack values in the game.


As I said in previous posts I agree with this.....he can stay on lane for long time and farm.

[LifeDrainer[RO]]

I dont know who have ego problems here, rather you from what i read here....and yea treant sux because i didnt own in that game!!!imagine this =))

ps: yes bkb counters his ulti as well!: )))

ps2: if you dont know what kind of hero is treant, and who are other heroes of his type who are worse or better...its not good at all

ps3: how can you know how i play treant?from 1 game?hmm?lol....grow up (i already explained that game issue(s) but seems that you really have comprehension problems)

ps4: i already explained that you are milions of years distance of competitive dota so i dont know why you bother talking about that, when you are not that right anyway...

ps5: you can consider yourself pro, and that you are right, only for having a good sleep tonight, it will help you think a bit more clear

[Tkc]Fear]

;835514']I dont know who have ego problems here, rather you from what i read here....and yea treant sux because i didnt own in that game!!!imagine this =))

You have ego problems admiting when you are wrong.

Who said that........don't fall that low to twisting my words. I said you sucked in that game and that is true .

;835514']
ps: yes bkb counters his ulti as well!: )))

Yea bkb is counter because you will get it in most games and not just for him. When you are ultied you can expect enemy to nuke you also when you activate BKB he can't and they will have to kill you with attack .

;835514']
ps2: if you dont know what kind of hero is treant, and who are other heroes of his type who are worse or better...its not good at all

It's not good at all how you can't accept facts.

It doesn't matter about heroes of HIS TYPE it matters he is almost never picked . Why? Because there are BETTER HEROES to pick .

I am tryng to make this easy for you to understand I hope you will : )

;835514']
ps3: how can you know how i play treant?from 1 game?hmm?lol....grow up (i already explained that game issue(s) but seems that you really have comprehension problems)

Yea you sucked . Maybe next time you will play better who knows . : )

edit by fear: Don't edit my posts please, Drainer.

[Uberpr0]

good thing dogmatic behavior will get you denied
which will lead to multi-accounts so to join ss
which will lead to bans
which will lead to janjetina

[Tkc]Fear]

edit by drainer: from 4 post, you really could NOT understand that my team sucked, who provoked me only a average game, isnt that obvious?or you like to deny such facts?damn lol

Fact is you had 1 good player , my team had 1 good player so it was kinda even. Anyway I hope we play again with better teammates.

Can we stop about this please I am kinda tired.

You say treant is imba , I say he is not. gg : ) Was nice talking(arguing :P) with ya tho

edit by drainer: i can edit your posts instead of adding relative useless post again, that is why i got option

ps: good player with bad pc...is not that good

edit by fear -.- how about we argue in one post and then make book?

Yea I know...I have bad pc now too I tried playng dota and...xD I deleted warcraft from here.

[Fika[F]]

Fear I think you are blinded by the fact that he is not picked in competative games, witch is irelevant here since none of us are even close to that level of playing dota... you think that backs you up but it doesn't, just admit it, to counter trent you have to spend moneyyy moneyyy moneyyy. Now name me 5 heroes that can be harder countered than trent, and you will se that you will have trouble finding them.

[Tkc]Fear]

;835757']Fear I think you are blinded by the fact that he is not picked in competative games, witch is irelevant here since none of us are even close to that level of playing dota... you think that backs you up but it doesn't, just admit it, to counter trent you have to spend moneyyy moneyyy moneyyy. Now name me 5 heroes that can be harder countered than trent, and you will se that you will have trouble finding them.

Tangoes and wards aren't moneyyyyy it is just money :P

If he is good he should be picked in competetive, no?

Sorry I am really tired of arguing/proving my points . You think what You want I will think what I want and it's ok : ) Even if you bring army here to tell me different I ain't changing my opinion.

[Uberpr0]

;835757']Fear I think you are blinded by the fact that he is not picked in competative games, witch is irelevant here since none of us are even close to that level of playing dota... you think that backs you up but it doesn't, just admit it, to counter trent you have to spend moneyyy moneyyy moneyyy. Now name me 5 heroes that can be harder countered than trent, and you will se that you will have trouble finding them.

indeed , you need to be a god to play at "that" level

Fear;835762']Tangoes and wards aren't moneyyyyy it is just money :P

If he is good he should be picked in competetive, no?

Sorry I am really tired of arguing/proving my points . You think what You want I will think what I want and it's ok : ) Even if you bring army here to tell me different I ain't changing my opinion.


and a hero is good only if he is picked in competitive? that's new
i tough certain heroes were picked based on the team strategy and preference , but i guess im wrong then

[VamoS_GringO]

OMG i read all of your posts and now its time for some serious ownage,useless mortals...
1st Treant is a uber hero,the fact that he isn´t picked in competetive dota is ignoreable since more then 50% of the heroes aren´t picked there.So if obsidian/meepo/lancer/medusa etc aren´t a competetive dota hero pick,it means they SUX?
2nd Treant is a uber hero cuz all facts that Berg brought up are 100% TRUE.
3rd Trean is a uber hero cuz eyes arent that easy to counter as some of you imagine,you have just to play a good treant placing eyes in a way your enemy wouldn´t expect it (not all eyes are visible if you know what i mean).Even if they cut down 80% of your eyes those 2-3 eyes +wards from your support means still a huge advantage.
4th Treant is a uber hero?ulti easy counterable?rofl ,gtfo...
There are just a few heroes against who Treant fails with his ulti like Naga,Morph;Void,Naix and similar (you got the point,i hope at least).
You can release yourself out those entangle stuff if you w8 till treant casts ulti and afterwards activate bkb (but i think you´ll get owned before you have the chance to do so).Linkens not bad but it triggers on 80% of the spells/abilities so making it just to counter treants ulti isn´t that smart.
The point is he´s kinda useless at early lvl-s,at least when it comes to harassing,killing etc so some people consider him useless which is a unforgivable mistake and imo it should be punished with a painful near death experience.Radi is imba if you have a good farm if not go striaght to necrobook and refresh,i think its manageable to farm in a decent game.If you have some good team pick,if you are willing to cooporate with your teamamtes and if you´re not bored to play this hero then you are a blessing to your team cause he´s one of the most useful heroes in this game...GG?I will spare you from my sarcasm this time but i will give you a good portion of my honest,trueful kindness.KISS
P.S. Treant is a uber hero!

[Tkc]Fear]

Rofl Gringo if he is so uber he would be picked in competetive, I think it's normal.

Anyway I said I ain't arguing about this anymore : )

[VamoS_GringO]

I said already but i gonna repeat myself:
So if a hero isn´t picked in competetive dota games,he sux? And just for the record,almost 50% of the heroes are picked rarley or no at all at these type of games.
If they pick treant they have to change the whole hero line-up they´re usually (often) playing.You can´t kill with treant or help killing with treant early lvl-s like you can with the most heroes,and that´s what they focus on in competetive dota,killing,harassing and outfarming the enemy from those early stages when it´s most important.So they have to change their whole strategy for only 1 hero since the only thing he can do at that stage is to farm,spam armor and eyes.It´s hard to initiate with him later since they have a lot of wards placed everywhere and some of them surely will have necro3 at that stage.It´s just a imba hero but very hard to play and im sure that they exclude him for their picks cause of that fact + some more like there are "better" initiators or let´s say initiators easier for playing and enemies can cast spells while entangled (that´s what you have to prevent by initiating first) so you have to pick some good silencer in combo with roof.All of these things i mentioned above doesnt make treant a "bad" hero,it´s just not their playing style.period
A treant with dagger would solve these problems but it´s a waste of money in his case or maybe not...?
BTW if you´re playing dota like 3-4 months like you once said to me then how come you´re arguing with players with MUCH more experience in professional dota playing?If you´re not lying then you have nothing to add here since you require a LOT more then a few months of pubstomps and weak prvt games to beat my arguements.
Just one more thing:
Treants ulti is one of the best in dota,just a game breaking spell...nothing more to say.
Translation:Treant is a uber hero!
P.S. Treant is a uber hero!

[LifeDrainer[RO]]

As you can see you cant change his opinion...and this is typical young persons (so i wont use kids) behaviour, older/more experienced ppl explain him, but no, he thinks he is only right, he wont change his opinon..he is godlike gg no re so i sugest end this already stupid argumentation since all you will manage to do is to waste even more time...when he will improve his skills or when he will grow up maybe (maybe) he will realise his mistakes, untill then nothing can be done...he will continue with his 'no picked no competitive, hero sux'....and this is so important for a player who plays competitive dota like him.

so vamos how you dare to think like that, you noob

[Joe_SmOe]

OMFG u spammers=))!!!leave TREANT alone!he is confued now,dunno know if he's imba or not(treant about himself) :bhead:

[LifeDrainer[RO]]

i think all has been said...so to prevent further senseless argueing....