SS channel suggestion

[ZaStarcrafter]

Hello guys,

I got a suggestion that i think will make ss games much more interesting :
Ranking players.

Not the ladder ranking, that one is cool , makes me wanna play to be on the top of the ladder :) .

I'm thinking more of a IHL type of ranking. Why do i feel the need of this ranking?

Well, there are some ss players that play incredibly well, some players that play good and some players that are better than pub players, but can't really handle a ss game. Also there's a big gap of experience between the players.
I saw some rly stupid builds and picks on ss :
- tiny with no toss, but with craggy exterior at level 14
- tinker with no laser but with march of machines
- viper with frenzy at level 11
- zeus with no chain
- lich starting with nova
- rexxar without call of the wild
- leoric/sven starting with aura (not the stupidest thing, but i belive it's unpractical, but this could be a long debate)
- agi/intel threads on heroes with 900 hp
- dagon on obsidian destroyer / puck / furion when the team needed a guinsoo
- 5 agi picks and no disabler (the 1st 2 can be excused, but the rest ? )

The difference between the players usually lead to some incredibly unbalanced games. These games are worst than pubs, because they sometimes lead to flames among players.

So i'd suggest we follow the IHL example and have 3 types of players (i belive IHL had only 2, but 3 types would be more appropiate).
Tier 1 : players we all know play very well and are quite constant about it, basicly the best players from the ss community.
Tier 2 : good players that can handle a game without the risk of doing build/pick mistakes
Tier 3 : players that did not yet earned the trust of the ss community , players that play badly under pressure,players that lack teamplay or players that still need a bit of experience.

When a ss game starts, we should balance the teams according to these rankings . For example
- 2 T1 + 2 T2 + 1 T3 vs 3 T1 + 2 T3 = balanced.
- 3 T1 + 2 T2 vs 3 T2 + 2 T3 = rather imbalanced.
- 5 T1 vs 5 T3 = waste of time. (unless the T1 players decide to play with the worst heroes they get).

Math should help us solve the problem : T1 = 3 , T2 = 2 , T3 = 1
if the difference between the 1st team and the 2nd one is less or equal to 3 than the game should be considered balanced.
if the difference between the teams is greater than 3 but less or equal to 6 the game should be considered rather imbalanced.
if the difference between the teams is greater than 6 the game is imbalanced.

for the 3 equations :
2 T1 + 2T2 + T3 vs 3 T1 + 2 T3 => 6 +4 + 1 vs 9 +2 => 11 vs 11 => 0 balance
3 T1 + 2T2 vs 3 T2 + 2T3 => 9+4 vs 6+ 2 =>13 vs 8 => 5-rather imbalanced
5 T1 vs 5 T3 = 15 vs 5 = 10 -> imbalanced.

The final problem is ranking the players. The ladder, as i said earlier is extremely motivational, but it isn't representative for the players skill.It can be considered as a starting point thou.

I suggest ranking by vouching. Each player vouches 5 T1 and 5 T2. Each player that's been ranked as T1 recieves 10 points, a T2 rank recieves 1 point. For a player to be considered T1 , he needs 50 points , and must have at least 5 T1 vouches. For a player to become T2 , he needs at least 5 points and must have at least 4 vouches(doesen't matter if they're T1 or T2). You can't vouch for a member from your clan (to avoid friendship vouching, allthou, if you and all your friends are T1 most likeley you won't play together).

Each team has a capitan (a T1 player, if they're more, the highest ranked on the ladder) who will decide the picks for the team, and basicly will be the coordinator n stuff. That doesen't make him god or anything , you don't necesarly have to listen to him if he has rly siucidal ideeas.

I hope you will like my ideea, and if everyone agrees to it , post here, and i'll keep track of the votes .

I'll go on and vote 1st (i will post my nicks so i don't vote twice)
Old_ZaPwner (aka ZaStarcrafter)

T1 :
- Hardcore
- SoareS
- gods][maska
- ss-Extasy
- ss-Moon

T2 :
- [NDL]Dark.Magic
- m1sha
- -pony
- Sublime
- [SyS]-Shinde

GG GL HF ! Hope my ideea catches on, it would be nice to play balanced games.:thumbUP:

[Bilis]

nice idea, i hope it will work

[Mr.7error]

In my opinion it is too complicated and useless, this is not IHCL, I think it's ok the way it is. Apreciate the effort tough :)

[EscapeTheFate]

I dont think its good, cause u cant force for example 2 players that want to play together to play in different team just cause they are tier 1. And second how come u put in tier 1 soares, when as far as i remember one topic where he made s&Y on razor. This now shows that the suggestion is not very suitable, its too complicated to make a ladder , then to arrange games, then the human factor will come - players X doesnt want to play with player Z, cause they dislike each other etc, but player X cant go to the other team cause the game will be unballanced, or player X from tier 1 is stuck to play with the "noobs" from tier 3 vs tier 2 team and he looses , he starts to get angry , starts to flame , the mighty "-rep" strikes , more soap operas, etc etc. I think its much more simpler - just play -sp mode and thats it. No need for such thing

[Heldarion]

I like your idea very much, but the picks nominated (especially in T1) are a laugh, the only one that deserves T1 nomination there is HardCore.

Edit by Artan: It's Hardc0re you nabs...

[BlackLagoon]

nice overall idea imo,but the idea about ranking the players with vouches sux hard i think..

[ANANANAN]

Nice idea, but maybe the original vouch can do only mods n also the rebalancing team - change somehow, and use it only sometimes in game :)
And it is also another work, so...btw imo i think that the quality of teams depends also on character/playstyle of them, for e.g. when i play with some of "the better/best" and also the "worse" sometimes its very bad, sometimes better, just every1 has his own playstyle, and some are more/less compatible than other(you know, like the ones who chase enemy 2 much without having wards in forest T_T ) ^^

[LifeDrainer[RO]]

You should create UT0(ultimate tear) and i be only member there ...
And now seriously...this wont work,its complicated,there will be a lot of factors which will make the team balancing not so easy....and some subjectivism in determining user tier or w/e.....just a little comunication and you can make balanced teams like how its now,things are usually fine.And not only players skills determine if game is balanced or no,sometimes a bad pick vs a good pick will definetely loose even if team 1 is more skilled than team 2

[2fuckingbitch]

quote. - zeus with no chain

That is good!!!!
Man if u want u can go with chain but for me it is better w/o it
I play always w/o chain and i don't sux and that is not bad build...
Maybe for u that is stupid...

[ZaStarcrafter]

I must agree that the ranking method is rather immature , but don't have many ideas about how we could do a more appropriate ranking.

Regarding the lack of posibility of 2 players playing together because they're both T1, well, that's why we should make a good T1 ranking (i mean having some players that everyone agree that are really good, but only a few of them).The most of the players will be T2.

The laughing part about my "vouches"... Well these are players that i played with , and that were constant in their playing. I didn't play with everyone on SS enough times to make a good opinion, but i'm sure that if as a community we sit and chat, we could make some realistic rankings.

Pedro : that chain helps you farm, and it triggers your 3rd ability. So for 70 mana you will deal 330 dmg to a 3k hp centaur ! I think it worths it.

[ZaStarcrafter]

And btw, there are some ss-ed players that are underneath the pub players (not only that they play bad, they don't listen to anyone cuz they're gosu ! ). When 3 players like these gather in the same team, it's barley impossible for that team to win. I was thinking that these rankings will be like a warning for the T3 players to do smthing about their playing or get unvouched....

[sublime_]

quote. - zeus with no chain

That is good!!!!
Man if u want u can go with chain but for me it is better w/o it
I play always w/o chain and i don't sux and that is not bad build...
Maybe for u that is stupid...

r u lol ?
i dont know how u think to creep with zeus without chain rly..

[EscapeTheFate]

quote. - zeus with no chain

That is good!!!!
Man if u want u can go with chain but for me it is better w/o it
I play always w/o chain and i don't sux and that is not bad build...
Maybe for u that is stupid...

Man how did u get into ss channel ?

[Nektor]

The overall idea is good, but vouching system is not really reliable. The best solution IMO is the voting system I have seen in some DotA Leagues. After every game, players vote 2x10 Points (for 2 best players in the game) , 2x8 points 2x6 points ... 2x2 points (for 2 worst players in the game). But this system needs some software that can detect the game that was just played and take votes or maybe can be implemented through the Guard (by whispering).
This would also make ppl wanna improve to get in the next tier, and make no more 1-sided games.
Of course, if all this is impossible, -sp is the best sollution.
The problem is that a lot of people here actually don't like balanced games and want to pwn all the time with arranged teams, so I don't think there is a will to do all this.

[ss-Kenyshor]

r u lol ?
i dont know how u think to creep with zeus without chain rly..


If you dont know howto creep with zeus w/o chain it means you cant last hit and you're autoattacking when you dont have enough mana , especially early game. Who safelisted you ? you know that autoattacking isnt allowed right? and you could get even banned.

[sublime_]

If you dont know howto creep with zeus w/o chain it means you cant last hit and you're autoattacking when you dont have enough mana , especially early game. Who safelisted you ? you know that autoattacking isnt allowed right? and you could get even banned.

u have prolly miss understand ...but i rly dont care about u opinion u are not only mod here exist another mods who can approve me for u info ... i know that autoattack isn`t alowed and i didnt autoatack in games u know that yourself when i outfarm you i cannot do it with autoattack or not ? .. thank you alot and if u wanna ban me go ahead..

[Nektor]

Mods should really start deleting all off-topic/flame posts in this thread. Zeus and last hits are not even close to the topic of the thread.

[2fuckingbitch]

Man how did u get into ss channel ?

Lol man... First if u know good to creep u can go w/o chain!
Btw sublime we played ss tour and i saw ur pro creep with akasha..So dont say me how to creep...
And pls go look some replays and u will see that zeus w/o chain is good !
Chain for me isn't good tactic !
That is my opinion !
And EscapeTheFate first don't ask stupid questions ok ?

[Matsumoto]

Zeus with 2.spell and 3.spell passive make him goodlike imba build :)
i take chain on 10 lvl, on the start of the game if you take 1 spell you just lose mana for nothing and make zeus to weak.
Some players on SS is worst then public players "my appinion" T1-T2-T3 is imba game rule for game.
Good thread :)
I am not safelisted but this is public thread :)

[OMGBergrush]

i take chain only once and only once ive maxed out the 2nd and 3rd just to trigger static field a few times and let that % take its toll on full hp heroes

[Mr.7error]

It depends on your lane too, if you're against 2 heroes like lina/sven, you cant get near the creeps to last hit, so you must take at least 1 lvl of chain earlygame so you can creep a little and harass them at the same time.

[ZaStarcrafter]

Last hit with zeus on a solo lane vs viper, can you do that? If yes, come lane vs my viper using 3rd and 2nd spell or whatever with zeus. Zeus's range make him a bad farmer if he solo lanes vs a lane controler.

This thread is turning into a zeus strategy guide. I like Nektor's ideea (defenetly better than mine) , but it will still make more playing >> skill. Nevertheless it would worth it ...

And i must agree that some players don't want balanced games.

[BlackLagoon]

And i must agree that some players don't want balanced games.

y some players just wanna stomp and ggnore cya...

[-eXtasY-]

Who talked about lighting+field?
I think pedro wanted to say lighting+stats, what imo can be very good in some lines , since u have enough mana for such a strong nuke and hp boost is always welcome. Field is kinda useless early game in most cases , because zeus is not ment for melee combat , he should keep distance and nuke .

[[max_serbia]]

I take 2nd and 3rd, coz u dont lose too much mana, and u can kill nearly every hero with 3 nukes in early game. Chain is only used like terror said, if u have rly hard lane, and cant come near to creeps. And Zapawner, zeus vs viper in lane is lol. U must be noob to go with zeus mid, if other team has viper. Viper has spell reduction, and can harass u, and own u pretty easy. So we are not talking about that. U can say, "come with techies vs silencer and u will see" for example.

[OMGBergrush]

Who talked about lighting+field?
I think pedro wanted to say lighting+stats, what imo can be very good in some lines , since u have enough mana for such a strong nuke and hp boost is always welcome. Field is kinda useless early game in most cases , because zeus is not ment for melee combat , he should keep distance and nuke .

static field has 800 range and that small percentage means a whole lot more than 100hp and 70 mana you get with stats

[-eXtasY-]

Hmm if u want second nuke spell , i think chain is better chaise. It choice of a player afterall. Anyway we are offtopick.
Dunno i dont like much your suggestion , it would be hard , and maybe even stupid to make such divide of ss players.

[ZaStarcrafter]

Ex, i'm not saying i want to divide the players. I want the exact opposite!

I mean not all players are ok playing a match that they know the odds are strongly against them. I see we're many ss-ed players, but yet it's still hard to get a game in ss. Why do ss-ed players go play pubs ? If the ss games were to be so awesome and balanced, i would wait in that channel doing nothing for more than 10 minutes.

max_serbia : when you play lane controler with viper you go orb + stats like silencer . And a chain + lightning zeus cand handle a viper on lane, but a lightining + static zeus won't hold even a silencer .

Zeus spam ftw. :thumbUP:

OMBGBergursh : the exact opposite is valid ! 11% when that guy has 600hp means that it will do +60 dmg ...that's a normal hit . a level 8 lane controler usualy has ~800 hp life-full, so the static will vary it's dmg from 80 do 32 (at maximum level !!). A single chain lightining strike takes 75 dmg, allowing you to creep better at the begining. The stats are cool for lane controling, since it makes zeus more resilient torwards the enemy ! And after all, if you manage to make the guy step back, you gain the lane control !

Static is good on zeus after the heroes get some life on them ! Not when they have 500 hp !

[VamoS_GringO]

Ex, i'm not saying i want to divide the players. I want the exact opposite!

I mean not all players are ok playing a match that they know the odds are strongly against them. I see we're many ss-ed players, but yet it's still hard to get a game in ss. Why do ss-ed players go play pubs ? If the ss games were to be so awesome and balanced, i would wait in that channel doing nothing for more than 10 minutes.

max_serbia : when you play lane controler with viper you go orb + stats like silencer . And a chain + lightning zeus cand handle a viper on lane, but a lightining + static zeus won't hold even a silencer .

Zeus spam ftw. :thumbUP:

OMBGBergursh : the exact opposite is valid ! 11% when that guy has 600hp means that it will do +60 dmg ...that's a normal hit . a level 8 lane controler usualy has ~800 hp life-full, so the static will vary it's dmg from 80 do 32 (at maximum level !!). A single chain lightining strike takes 75 dmg, allowing you to creep better at the begining. The stats are cool for lane controling, since it makes zeus more resilient torwards the enemy ! And after all, if you manage to make the guy step back, you gain the lane control !

Static is good on zeus after the heroes get some life on them ! Not when they have 500 hp !

I share his opinion because its quite hard to farm with zeus(low range,****ty animation,base dmg)vs some decent lane control hero players.There was a time where i played w/o chain and it was pretty nice since after casting bolt 2 times enemy is either dead or forced to go back to heal but you can do the almost the same with chain,i mean you can harrass multiple enemies and last hit very often (much easier then with normal attack)and even kill:laugh: .Both tactics depend on a lot of factors like how many and which ally or enemie heroes are with you in your lane and stuff like that.Early static is not that good imo,i would rather get status points or chain instead of it but it can be helpful in early mid game(but that effect is not that great as it would be when enemies get some hp boost).But im noob anyway.:noob: P.S. congrats Heldarion for your dotainvite approval.peace

[[max_serbia]]

max_serbia : when you play lane controler with viper you go orb + stats like silencer . And a chain + lightning zeus cand handle a viper on lane, but a lightining + static zeus won't hold even a silencer .


OMG. There is no "rule" like what style u MUST play carries. If there is some hero with 1 nuke on lane, u will go with silencer's curse, not with stats. If u play viper vs zeus in lane, ofc u will go for spell reduction not stats. U must acclimatise to the enemy. If u play by "the book" u will lose. Thats why are good dota players better then others, coz they are trying to acclimatise to the enemy style of play. I learned that from Berg's 1v1 games, thats why he rarely lose.

[EscapeTheFate]

Lol man... First if u know good to creep u can go w/o chain!
Btw sublime we played ss tour and i saw ur pro creep with akasha..So dont say me how to creep...
And pls go look some replays and u will see that zeus w/o chain is good !
Chain for me isn't good tactic !
That is my opinion !
And EscapeTheFate first don't ask stupid questions ok ?

OK, watch this replay and imagine urself you were playing zeus that game , and u dont level chain, will you be able to creep in this line or will you be first blood on lvl 1

[Heldarion]

no matter what lane you're in, not having 1 level of chain lightning is totally DUMB. Cheap farming spell (compared to lightning bolt), you last hit one creep, and cook another one with chain in a matter of half a second, how's that not good, zeus' speed and attack animation suck, so chain lightning >> everything else.

[OMGBergrush]

isnt it better to max the **** out of 2nd + stats or 2nd + 3rd and nuke the enemy into base and then you can farm all you want even with a ****ty animation/speed/damage
besides that chain shiitning isnt cheap anyway it costs about ½ of bolt and does crap damage compared to it

[EscapeTheFate]

isnt it better to max the **** out of 2nd + stats or 2nd + 3rd and nuke the enemy into base and then you can farm all you want even with a ****ty animation/speed/damage
besides that chain shiitning isnt cheap anyway it costs about ½ of bolt and does crap damage compared to it

I dont think it is. Smart enemy will have regen, will harrass you when he has more range ( lich , mirana , warlock etc ) and even if u force him to go back to base, he will go for 20-30 secs walking and then TP back in , so how much creeps u can farm in 1 min 0o. And then what - you wanna nuke him again , but this time u dont have full mana - u cant fully nuke. Even smarter enemy will force you to go back to fountain till level 3 when your imba 2nd skill does only 150 dmg. Zeus is about chain lightning. There so many strategies, u can nuke all creep wave + the 2 heroes without even going in range cause on lvl 4 this bouces 15 times, its like lunas bounce - they will be forced to stay a lot back or suffer the constant HP loss every 2 secs. And without farm zeus sucks later ..

[Mr.7error]

You are right man, zeus is very strong hero on the start with 2 and 3 spell only,
you are going to creep, when they are dead or they back in the base, taking 1 spell on zeus is imba noobish for him :clap:
P.S. Viper vs Zeus i think Viper is dead on 5 lvl

If you think zeus can kill viper at lvl 5, skilled player vs skilled player then im glad ur not in ss yet. Zeus is FRESH meat for viper, by the time viper gets 5, zeus will have gone to base 1-2 times, if not hes dead at lvl 5. You need some regen and corossive skin and zeus is bye bye.

Speaking of chain lightning, I think having it 1-2 lvls is absolutely necesary in most games, since as ffaf said you will creeps 3 times better and harass at the same time, not being first blood when u get close to creeps to try to last hit.

[ZaStarcrafter]

P.S. Viper vs Zeus i think Viper is dead on 5 lvl

Obviously you never laned against a good viper. Ever .

And viper doesen't need the 15% dmg reduction from corrosive skin vs zeus (15% from 300 means 45 dmg less, that's less than 1 normal hit). Corrosive skin comes usefoul later on when you're nuked by more than 1 hero. But when you lane against one single hero, calculate the average dmg that corrosive skin will absorb, and compare it to the benefits of the stats.

[OMGBergrush]

Zeus is FRESH meat for zeus

flawless victory!

[Mr.7error]

flawless victory!

:laugh::laugh: hurrying spolis the job :D

[Mer]

yeah... another game T1+T2 vs T2+T3. Where's the point in arranging such games?

[Matsumoto]

Mr.7error i want to play with you 1 on 1, because you are good Viper, and we go in same line top or down, start with 600 gold and we play first 15 minutes, i think that i kill you 2 or 3 times :)
,you play bad with Zeus it is obviously, that ss have to bad players in their community,
i saw some Tide make vanguard, and some players go in forest on 1 lvl, and buy first item Sacred, that is stupid to,
OMGBergrush - listen that man, hi is the best player on SS "one on one", he now all weakness of heroes,

P.S. Zeus vs Viper = OMGBergrush appinion

Zeus creep heroes not creeps, i dont need to kill creeps, i just w8 and kill heroes like all agi or int very fast if they come on the line with Zeus, Zeus is bagged hero ")that is mine appinion, i dont have nothing personal against other appinions
enjoy in the rest of the day

[Heldarion]

what exactly is wrong with Vanguard on Leviathan?

[VamoS_GringO]

Who said thats something wrong?by my knowledge it has a great synergy with kraken shell.

[Dark_Seer]

Doesn't stack with reduction from Kraken Shell - depending on order:
-you will have 65% to block 40 dmg, and if it fails, Kraken Shell will reduce dmg by 28
OR
-you will have 100% to block 28 dmg and if it fails 65% to block 40 - of course 100% cannot fail, so in that case dmg block from vanguard will be lost.

Second variant takes place when you first buy Vanguard and then learn Kraken Shell - to avoid it, just drop and pick your Vanguard after learning Shell. So assuming first scenario, Vanguard will give you effective block of 12 damage with 65% chance. Not very impressive ;)

[Heldarion]

Doesn't stack with reduction from Kraken Shell - depending on order:
-you will have 65% to block 40 dmg, and if it fails, Kraken Shell will reduce dmg by 28
OR
-you will have 100% to block 28 dmg and if it fails 65% to block 40 - of course 100% cannot fail, so in that case dmg block from vanguard will be lost.

Second variant takes place when you first buy Vanguard and then learn Kraken Shell - to avoid it, just drop and pick your Vanguard after learning Shell. So assuming first scenario, Vanguard will give you effective block of 12 damage with 65% chance. Not very impressive ;)

to prove this further, here's the link for disbelievers:
http://forums.dota-allstars.com/index.php?showtopic=74630&st=0

[VamoS_GringO]

Okey i knew that theres a little reduction but that much?In that case a few bracers are the better choice.I read a lot of guides and hero discussions but that was a long time ago,since i forgot a lot of things,need to refresh my knowledge and learn new stuff.Thx for the info,both of you.P.S.held you got approved on dotainvite?if its true,congrats bro.As you can see i´m in Austria now,so prepare ppl...i´m a ****ing machine w/o lagg.:laugh:

[ZaStarcrafter]

Mr.7error i want to play with you 1 on 1, because you are good Viper, and we go in same line top or down, start with 600 gold and we play first 15 minutes, i think that i kill you 2 or 3 times :)
,you play bad with Zeus it is obviously, that ss have to bad players in their community,
i saw some Tide make vanguard, and some players go in forest on 1 lvl, and buy first item Sacred, that is stupid to,
OMGBergrush - listen that man, hi is the best player on SS "one on one", he now all weakness of heroes,

P.S. Zeus vs Viper = OMGBergrush appinion

Zeus creep heroes not creeps, i dont need to kill creeps, i just w8 and kill heroes like all agi or int very fast if they come on the line with Zeus, Zeus is bagged hero ")that is mine appinion, i dont have nothing personal against other appinions
enjoy in the rest of the day


:noob:
:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

I can nominate 20-30 ss-ed players that will own your zeus with viper (wich is agi) .

[-eXtasY-]

and some players go in forest on 1 lvl, and buy first item Sacred, that is stupid toOk u must be joking now.... If hero as terrorblade or bb rush radi , its kinda gg..
start with 600 gold and we play first 15 minutes, i think that i kill you 2 or 3 times :) me me me me me Vipy and i bet it will be opposite

[Artanthos]

taking 1 spell on zeus is imba noobish for him :clap:
P.S. Viper vs Zeus i think Viper is dead on 5 lvl

it is obviously, that ss have to bad players in their community,

After this words I started to ignore him. Why you waste your time talking with this noob?

[Heldarion]

Lil_GringO;749885']P.S.held you got approved on dotainvite?if its true,congrats bro.As you can see i´m in Austria now,so prepare ppl...i´m a ****ing machine w/o lagg.:laugh:

nope, not yet, I only have 1 + thus far, so if you've got any friends among vouchers, tell them to do the right thing :p

[IceBird]

bleh how come i dont see my name in tier 10000?
ah well this thread has turned into one dota mechanics discussion ...
and ihcs style wont work here

[Uberpr0]

Mr.7error i want to play with you 1 on 1, because you are good Viper, and we go in same line top or down, start with 600 gold and we play first 15 minutes, i think that i kill you 2 or 3 times :)
,you play bad with Zeus it is obviously, that ss have to bad players in their community,
i saw some Tide make vanguard, and some players go in forest on 1 lvl, and buy first item Sacred, that is stupid to,




Can't somebody request him to get banned from ss forum? atleast let him post non-sense in the DotA forum or somewhere else T_T

[LifeDrainer[RO]]

Can't somebody request him to get banned from ss forum? atleast let him post non-sense in the DotA forum or somewhere else T_T

that would mean way too much work for me....deleting post sux lmao

[IceBird]

rofl drainer u lazy bum :D

[Matsumoto]

After this words I started to ignore him. Why you waste your time talking with this noob?

Omg i Just Jokin People You Are Good Players Omg :)
i am here to have fun just like you all people :cool:
i am the man just like you,
not "noob"

[VamoS_GringO]

After this words I started to ignore him. Why you waste your time talking with this noob?




Omg i Just Jokin People You Are Good Players Omg :)
i am here to have fun just like you all people :cool:
i am the man just like you,
not "noob"

Noob.

[[aRs]HrVaT]

- lich starting with nova
- leoric/sven starting with aura


Lich starting with nova why is that bad? Does he need frost armor...or maybe dark ritual on lvl 1? (maybe only if you using dark ritual to deny creeps lol)

Leoric/Sven..why shouldn't they start with aura? Creeps get the aura which is important, I'd rather have my creeps +2 armor or +5% lifesteal than to pick stun which I obviously won't use on lvl 1 (only if opponent is noob and goes rambo on your ass. Same thing with Venge, I always take 1.aura 2. stun 3. aura 4. stun 5.stun 6. ulti 7. stun 8 aura etc.

Because you don't need stun on lvl 1 it's SS, enemies are pro.

[Heldarion]

1. Dark Ritual lvl 1 is > Nova because you can deny a creep and experience&gold altogether and you're not gonna nuke with lvl 1 Nova because it's too expensive for the damage it makes

2. Sven shouldn't start with aura because then your creeps have higher armor and in the last hitting-only environment this means your creeps will push under the enemy tower, make you more vulnerable to ganks and hamper your farming capabilities.
Same for Skeleton King's aura - if you're last hitting, you won't regenerate a whole lot by those few hits you make. High-profile players just go Stats+Stun and ulti all the way (Blowyourbrain had not a single level of lifesteal at the level 18 with Skeleton King). Skeleton kings needs more mana to throw his Stormbolt when he has to, without stats, he can pretty much do that once, then wait for his mana to regenerate. Sux.

[Artanthos]

With sven, leoric and venge stun + stats is a must. The point is, that with aura your creeps are stronger ===> you push your lane ===> it's much easier to gang you. And stats allow you to dominate your lane. If you don't take it your sven/leoric will be able to stun only once. Stats give you so needed boost to mana and also hp.

About lich. Dark ritual at lvl 1 is best option. And just deny your creep as soon as possible. Ritual is the main reason, why lich is good lane controler. He never push and has more exp then enemy because of it.

[easter_bunny]

ummm... Held, Art, there is a way to use sven with aura. So if we take smth like pugna+chen+sven+lesh+syllabear and push at early lvls, then sven's aura is a must. So we have something like basil+aura+buckler/meka+headdress. Haven't tested it yet, but i think it might work

p.s. game version should be 6.51. New creeps are fine - especially alfa wolf and troll

[Artanthos]

Early push strategies always require other skill/item build.

[ZaStarcrafter]

if you're doing a fast pushing game, you won't pick sven.

Furion/ veno/ ezalor/ leshrac/ pugna/ sylla/ krobelus/ chen/ aiushta(enchant creeps)/ warlock/ lycan/ jakiro . These are the fast pushers. Combine 5 of them and you have a fast pushing team.


PS 10x bunny for the correction :P

[easter_bunny]

since sven obtains lvl 6 he becomes a nice tower-killer cause of his ult. Fastpushing isnt all about summons - it's about doing much damage to towers in early lvls.

if you're doing a fast pushing game, you won't pick sven.

Furion/ veno/ ezalor/ leshrac/ pugna/ sylla/ sven/ chen/ aiushta(enchant creeps)/ warlock/ lycan/ jakiro . These are the fast pushers. Combine 5 of them and you have a fast pushing team.
lol?

p.s. sorry for overposting(

[Matsumoto]

Can't somebody request him to get banned from ss forum? atleast let him post non-sense in the DotA forum or somewhere else T_T

It is very stupid, to think to ban someone from forum, uber, you are smart because you are on SS, that give you right to insult people and give you right to ban someone, this is forum for people, not for people who categorized in noob or pro section, this is public forum man !!!
enjoy in your day man and stop being selfish or arrogant pls

P.S. stop requesting people for being banned because they have other appinion,
reminds me of the time when communists rulez
And one fast killers , Enigma-Sk down - Razor mid - Tauren-Puck top for pushers

[rza]

xD

fun.

[[aRs]HrVaT]

if you're doing a fast pushing game, you won't pick sven.

Furion/ veno/ ezalor/ leshrac/ pugna/ sylla/ krobelus/ chen/ aiushta(enchant creeps)/ warlock/ lycan/ jakiro . These are the fast pushers. Combine 5 of them and you have a fast pushing team.


PS 10x bunny for the correction :P

What about Dirge, what about broodmother, some of these aren't good pushers (sylla,venom)

[easter_bunny]

sylla is a good one, his bear deals mass damage to towers. Summoners are good pushers if only we push at lvl like 1-2, like in the replay below (it is a mustsee). Since lvl 5 after 1-2 aoe spells all the summons die. And those u named are the best junglers, there would always be better push-heroes than broodmother/dirge.

[ZaStarcrafter]

And also venom's wards can do wonders in pushing !

And yeah, broodmother is a good pusher,and i have my doubts about dirge. Anyway i'd might had left out a pusher or too, but i can't knwo them all by heart :).

[bigTomaTosouPWN]

if you're doing a fast pushing game, you won't pick sven.

Furion/ veno/ ezalor/ leshrac/ pugna/ sylla/ krobelus/ chen/ aiushta(enchant creeps)/ warlock/ lycan/ jakiro . These are the fast pushers. Combine 5 of them and you have a fast pushing team.


PS 10x bunny for the correction :P

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