View Full Version : Memorable characters in our history
Along with thousands of years, humanity has had lots of briliant minds, lot of geniuses, people which marked history by acting on every possible human side: science, global conflicts, philosophy, literature, arts, sports and many others.
Each of these personalities brought something good or bad into our history, as well as having unreversible impacts and accents for our present condition.
Each of them was and is appreciated or not, loved or hated, envied or ignored, admired or contempted.
Each of them has left a big mark on the line of humanity progress, a different size of mark, a mark that can be interpreted in many ways, by people from overall world, most influenced by mass media, public opinion, or a political 'MUST'.
This ain't fair, on a side.. People should have the right of believing in anyone, liking anyone, admiring anyone, claiming anyone's name as honorable and sharing their thoughts.
I am opening this for everyone, because EVERYONE has his own 'idol', a person from history or present which he considers to be most special, a person who's character may be disputed by different factions and ways of thinking. You must remember, that you must act and think on your own feelings, and not by some people's fake words, just because 'they say so', so you have to say so too. Wrong.
So, who's the most memorable character into humans' history and why HIM/HER?
LSD_efect
03-18-2008, 21:29
i got 2-3 music idols does that count? hehe j/k
i think easily the most memorible person in our history is Hitler cos he was one evil genius.He's not my idol but i think it's fascinating that for idea he had in his head he was ready to sloter half of the world
fatman69
03-18-2008, 23:34
i'd vote for Columbus.
it's not that i'm a fan of America or it's discovery, but the fact that he had the guts to sail across the sea to the unknown is just fascinating. he's not my idol of any kind but i do admire that kind of courage. when you look at it from his point of view in that time and place that move was extraordinary.
on the other hand his voyage didn't save any lives or bring any wealth(not directly that is) but his moves certainly showed that sometimes you have to risk your life if you want to be a "star".
in my opinion, you can't compare it to anything. other sea explorers only repeated themselves, finding new routes was just a matter of time and luck after 1942. exploration of other places of earth was done with more care and caution. such was the case with the exploration of space. the fact that you dare to put your life on a gamble to travel on a very big piece of wood across the unknown and uncharted sea is just astonishing.
ofc, similar trip was supposedly made by people of south america when they moved on rafts to indonesia. some of you may have read the book "Kon Tiki" so they could know what i'm talking about. others will ofc mention the fact that the Vikings discovered America many years before. indeed, they have, but when Vikings traveled to America they used a route with stops. they went from Scandinavia to Iceland, from Iceland to Greenland, from Greenland to New Foundland (North America) thus making the journey more comfortable with many stops for renewing supplies.
when you take all those aspects into consideration, that was ONE BIG STEP FOR A MAN (ok that's just beer talking now :D )
Gengis Kan, Napoleon Bonaparte and Adolf Hitler.
I admire powerful leaders above everything.
I was born to be one, but life doesn't offer me many chances to become one.
OMGBergrush
03-19-2008, 03:47
Alexander Suvorov.
He was a military leader his whole life and never lost a battle, a feat very few can claim...
EverDream
03-19-2008, 10:11
Nikola Tesla. Invented alternative current and its transportation trough power level line, and wireless communication that allows us to play w3, turn on the lights at night, and everything that comes in touch with 220-240V :)
Hes the new Prometheus that showed to people what means control over power.
_Spartan_
03-19-2008, 11:21
Alexander the Macedonian
I admire his courage and him as person..
He was one of the most successful military commanders in history ever..
He never lost a battle, until his death...
He nearly conquered whole world..
Gengis Kan, Napoleon Bonaparte and Adolf Hitler.
I admire powerful leaders above everything.
I was born to be one, but life doesn't offer me many chances to become one.
nice guy to admire.. xD
yep he was great strateg but you cant admire som1 who is sick person, he is like the badest/twister mineded guy in history of earth, except moonstar ofc xD
fatman69
03-19-2008, 15:25
what made him a great strategist?? please, man invaded Poland that practically had no defense. invasion of France was done merely by avoiding the infamous Marginot line, and other countries fell like grapes. he didn't conquer UK, where he lost too many men and planes, he squandered another few million men in Russia, not predicting Russian winter. that's how great his sense of strategy is, he didn't even count the weather factor which is just lol. and ofc he took Italians as his main allies,the fact that kinda tells its own story.
he was a good speaker, visionare and manipulator of crowds. he had good timing and sense of how to appeal on emotions of patriotism in his people. you could say he was a good leader but he just knew how to "give a dog a bone". german people in those times craved for such a leader to take them out of their misery, but he was too iratuional, egocentrical and greedy to achieve his goal.
but he definetly was not a good strategist
Since talking about great generals, here is one more:
Belisaurius
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belisaurius
He was great general under cesar Justinian (east rome). He conquered back most of lost roman territory, such as Africa, Persia (defended) and Italy. His battles are discribed by east roman history writer Procopius (I read shortened version of wars he described, that's where I got to know about him).
LoGiStiK
03-19-2008, 17:17
what made him a great strategist?? please, man invaded Poland that practically had no defense. invasion of France was done merely by avoiding the infamous Marginot line, and other countries fell like grapes. he didn't conquer UK, where he lost too many men and planes, he squandered another few million men in Russia, not predicting Russian winter. that's how great his sense of strategy is, he didn't even count the weather factor which is just lol. and ofc he took Italians as his main allies,the fact that kinda tells its own story.
he was a good speaker, visionare and manipulator of crowds. he had good timing and sense of how to appeal on emotions of patriotism in his people. you could say he was a good leader but he just knew how to "give a dog a bone". german people in those times craved for such a leader to take them out of their misery, but he was too iratuional, egocentrical and greedy to achieve his goal.
but he definetly was not a good strategist
Let's not forget that in Normandy , instead of letting his troops on high-ground defensive possitions , he choose to throw 150.000 soldiers against 1.000.000 americans and british and french etc.
Actualy he didn't conquer anything ... he just took them by surprise...you don't have to be a genius to attack without a declaration of war when your enemyes are unprepared.
And about the battles in Asia , it was Rommel and other generals who were top dogs not him. If the whole german army would've followed his strategy , it would've been over in 2 years maximum.
ONTOPIC:
Hmm , a memorable person would be imo Julius Ceasar , without him , The Roman Empire wouldn't have been formed , and our technology would be preety bad right now because we would still remain 'barbarians' with lower knowledge than the Romans.
That's what i would call a great strategist.
Nikola Tesla ... the greatest mind ever ....
LyCaN.WarLorD
03-19-2008, 19:34
Barbarosa - one of the smartest guys in medieval time,he conquered Jerusalim in a diplomatic way :)
TBK.Goldy
03-19-2008, 19:36
Albert Einstein. He said: there are only two infinite things; the space (universe) and human stupidity. So true... very smart guy.
Instead of saying something about the Theory of Relativity you talk about that quote.
theory of relativity is useless...
LSD_efect
03-19-2008, 21:21
if you talk about generals you should know that Alexandar has had the bigest empire the mankind has ever seen.
and inheriting the kingdom at such a young age and doing what he did is fascinating.Just an example when the batlle with the persians hapend the troops were outnumbered 3 to 1 and still won...
And he went to Africa, where he fought elephants, at that time they didn't even know what elephants are.
Supergirl
03-19-2008, 22:40
Albert Einstein. He said: there are only two infinite things; the space (universe) and human stupidity. So true... very smart guy.
“Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe.” You more like this one?
GoD-ThundeR
03-20-2008, 00:04
“Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe.” You more like this one?
this better :D
Two things are infiite: The universe and human stupidity; and im not sure about the first one :)
**
^^ For me Guinso and Ice-Frog :beer:
if you talk about generals you should know that Alexandar has had the bigest empire the mankind has ever seen.
and inheriting the kingdom at such a young age and doing what he did is fascinating.Just an example when the batlle with the persians hapend the troops were outnumbered 3 to 1 and still won...
You were not present on history lessons? Alexander The Macedonian was NOT the biggest conqueror , but I won't reveal who it was , find it out yourself. Of course you mention him as your idol when you are Macedonian , right? Well , actually , those old Macedonians were Greeks , and you know it , all that is similar between your people and him is name Macedonia. All I wrote here are checked facts. I respect your people very much but this is just the truth...
And about my idol...? Well I had no idol , but I had some people I admired , like the ancient Greek philosopher Aristotle , Leonardo di ser Piero da Vinci , a scientist, mathematician, engineer, inventor, anatomist, painter, sculptor, architect, botanist, musician and writer , etc etc
fatman69
03-20-2008, 03:08
y c'mon make some elaborate spam...
btw on topic of hitler. rommel was one of the greatest military strategists, eluding allied forces with limited man power for such a long time...
ofc there were many great minds, but people tend to exagurate the power of some military geniueses. like it takes some brain to predict men's action and kill hordes of men...
Richard the Lionhearted
To me he was a great leader who stood up against the Asia-pacific empires as well as strengthening England to foreign relations and affairs.
_Spartan_
03-20-2008, 11:34
You were not present on history lessons? Alexander The Macedonian was NOT the biggest conqueror , but I won't reveal who it was , find it out yourself. Of course you mention him as your idol when you are Macedonian , right? Well , actually , those old Macedonians were Greeks , and you know it , all that is similar between your people and him is name Macedonia. All I wrote here are checked facts. I respect your people very much but this is just the truth...
Greeks can talk what they want..
If you read history well, you'll see that you are wrong..
You cant say those are facts..
In those times, the macedonians were called ancient macedonians..
They were called "barbarians" by Greece , who were democratic in that time..
And then Philip Conquered Greece and after philip's death, Alexander conquered nearly whole world..
The Greeks are hiding imporant information that can prove that Macedonia was once one of the greatest empires and that we are "independent" and that we arent connected with Them!..
Our territory was bigger then now, but it was cut off in the balkan's wars in 1912..
You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below
Stop making idols, just respect people.
Mr.7error
03-20-2008, 13:40
You were not present on history lessons? Alexander The Macedonian was NOT the biggest conqueror , but I won't reveal who it was , find it out yourself. Of course you mention him as your idol when you are Macedonian , right? Well , actually , those old Macedonians were Greeks , and you know it , all that is similar between your people and him is name Macedonia. All I wrote here are checked facts. I respect your people very much but this is just the truth...
And about my idol...? Well I had no idol , but I had some people I admired , like the ancient Greek philosopher Aristotle , Leonardo di ser Piero da Vinci , a scientist, mathematician, engineer, inventor, anatomist, painter, sculptor, architect, botanist, musician and writer , etc etc
Actually I think he was the greatest conqueror of dated times, unless you are talking of some 123012893012 B.C.
You were not present on history lessons? Alexander The Macedonian was NOT the biggest conqueror , but I won't reveal who it was , find it out yourself. Of course you mention him as your idol when you are Macedonian , right? Well , actually , those old Macedonians were Greeks , and you know it , all that is similar between your people and him is name Macedonia. All I wrote here are checked facts. I respect your people very much but this is just the truth...
And about my idol...? Well I had no idol , but I had some people I admired , like the ancient Greek philosopher Aristotle , Leonardo di ser Piero da Vinci , a scientist, mathematician, engineer, inventor, anatomist, painter, sculptor, architect, botanist, musician and writer , etc etc
I happen to like Michelangelo Buonarroti's art.
And yes, ancient Macedonians are not the ascendants of new Macedonians, that's true.
fatman69
03-21-2008, 12:28
Richard the Lionhearted
To me he was a great leader who stood up against the Asia-pacific empires as well as strengthening England to foreign relations and affairs.
Richard the Lionheart was a murderer and common thief. his so called "crusaders", army of christ, burned christian cities and raped all across the Europe. richard didn't bring anything good to any of the countries, so how can u talk of him as someone great? it's ridicilous to even try comparing him with some1 as Alex the Great or Barbaross or such..
Albert Einstein. He said: there are only two infinite things; the space (universe) and human stupidity. So true... very smart guy.
You fit in that quote very well.
if you talk about generals you should know that Alexandar has had the bigest empire the mankind has ever seen.
and inheriting the kingdom at such a young age and doing what he did is fascinating.Just an example when the batlle with the persians hapend the troops were outnumbered 3 to 1 and still won...
Wrong. He conquered the entire ''known'' world but the largest empire ever was Gengis Kan's.
Wrong. He conquered the entire ''known'' world but the largest empire ever was Gengis Kan's.
Exactly, Gengis Kan was known as the greatest conqueror of the world, since he conquered most of Asia.
Exactly, Gengis Kan was known as the greatest conqueror of the world, since he conquered most of Asia.
And Europe, although he didn't occupy it, just ravaged it.
LoGiStiK
03-21-2008, 18:41
Another person would be... Bill Gates , i mean without him we would probably talk using telegrams or the classic can&wire.
And...maybe...this postulho guy , will get in Xpam Humor History
http://www.eurobattle.net/showthread.php?t=68186
I don't know about macedonian, but I know turkish. Mby someone remember Kral, he care some time on this forum. Someone said he owned the whole world + the planets of the sun's barrier.
OMGBergrush
03-21-2008, 19:48
Another person would be... Bill Gates , i mean without him we would probably talk using telegrams or the classic can&wire.
are you for real? what does gates have to do with phones?
if you want to learn more about telephony search up Alexander Graham Bell and Mihajlo Idvorski Pupin
EverDream
03-21-2008, 20:17
Nikola Tesla, owns everyone. If you deny him, start living with Edison light bulbs that work on direct current, and a hamster that powers them up... and you'll need a hangar for batteries.
My 2nd fav. are Mozart or Johan Sebastian Bah, Beethoven. Those were extraordinary people.
efko.wbs
03-21-2008, 21:33
Napoleon Bonaparte and hundreds of inventors,chemists.....
that invented cures, facts about Space, all what deal with electricity( i prefer Faraday),nuclear power........
LoGiStiK
03-21-2008, 21:42
are you for real? what does gates have to do with phones?
if you want to learn more about telephony search up Alexander Graham Bell and Mihajlo Idvorski Pupin
Was talking about Windows not phones...
fatman69
03-22-2008, 02:34
guys could you just stop naming every famous person and elaborate someone that was actually extraordinary, that did something no1 else did before??
you are all naming conquerors. what is thedifference between the deeds of Genghis Khan, Julius Ceasar, Alex the Great, Barbarossa, Rommel?? they all conquered, they all lead, but these things happen before?
and how many people did u name that did something that wasn't actually too extraordinary? ok in my opinion, Einstein was a great mind, but can some1 tell me how exactly did man kind benefit from Theory of Relativity?? did works of Bell, Koch, Faraday, Pasteur and such people really cross the lines and broke the limits of mankind? or were they a mere link in the chain of human improvements of their life?
why no1 speaks of any1 that really set a new boundary?
this thread really seemed promising, so i beg you, do write more than 3 words about yur person not just something like: "i like atila, he conquered a lot of asia and europe and made them all fear him" that's all..
LSD_efect
03-22-2008, 05:37
You were not present on history lessons? Alexander The Macedonian was NOT the biggest conqueror , but I won't reveal who it was , find it out yourself. Of course you mention him as your idol when you are Macedonian , right? Well , actually , those old Macedonians were Greeks , and you know it , all that is similar between your people and him is name Macedonia. All I wrote here are checked facts. I respect your people very much but this is just the truth...
And about my idol...? Well I had no idol , but I had some people I admired , like the ancient Greek philosopher Aristotle , Leonardo di ser Piero da Vinci , a scientist, mathematician, engineer, inventor, anatomist, painter, sculptor, architect, botanist, musician and writer , etc etc
Those old Macedonians were not greeks jeez, how stuped can you be. A lot of pp think that way cos the greeks talk bullshi.t and think that they are some kind of divine country and something good can only come out of them.
I've been to my history lessons and i've reed some books too, can you say that about you? or you came up with this facts from some stuped movie?
I can see no one mentioned Jesus..
I can see no one mentioned Jesus..
not much of spirituality or otherwise i guess
Ah.. Someone said greeks invented the sex.. He forgot to say the macedonians shew them how they do it with women =))
Ah.. Someone said greeks invented the sex.. He forgot to say the macedonians shew them how they do it with women =))
haha ! :laugh:
but thought sex started since mammals evolved oO :)
fatman69
03-22-2008, 15:17
Ah.. Someone said greeks invented the sex.. He forgot to say the macedonians shew them how they do it with women =))
rofl :clap::clap::clap:
nice1
-Kyuubi-
03-22-2008, 15:31
Alija Izatbegović
I think few of u would know what hes done
SmrtPederima
03-22-2008, 16:39
Alija Izatbegović
I think few of u would know what hes done
Hahahahahm got screwt by Milošević, hahah. He bent over, that's what he did.
OMGBergrush
03-22-2008, 16:42
Those old Macedonians were not greeks jeez, how stuped can you be. A lot of pp think that way cos the greeks talk bullshi.t and think that they are some kind of divine country and something good can only come out of them.
I've been to my history lessons and i've reed some books too, can you say that about you? or you came up with this facts from some stuped movie?
actually its you and your falsified history which is the bull****. alexander was born in a greek province[macedonia was a greek province and the biggest part of it today is still in greece] he spoke greek language and believed in the greek mythology. and now you guys claim that he was a non-greek macedoniam/ one of slavic origin but the slavs came to the blakan about 1000 years after his death.
SmrtPederima
03-22-2008, 19:14
actually its you and your falsified history which is the bull****. alexander was born in a greek province[macedonia was a greek province and the biggest part of it today is still in greece] he spoke greek language and believed in the greek mythology. and now you guys claim that he was a non-greek macedoniam/ one of slavic origin but the slavs came to the blakan about 1000 years after his death.
True, but who cares?
It's not like anyone of you is great as he was.
-Kyuubi-
03-22-2008, 20:19
smrt pederima is just some **** who doesnt have real life -.-"
who do u think that Alija was. He was a great president. We got independace mostly coause of him and u know that Milosevic was War criminal or how should i say. You know that bosnia defended its self alone with no weapons, army, its miracle man. So stfu u stupid kid and go find a girlfriend, or start to wank mby u should go out sometimes...
SmrtPederima
03-22-2008, 20:49
smrt pederima is just some **** who doesnt have real life -.-"
who do u think that Alija was. He was a great president. We got independace mostly coause of him and u know that Milosevic was War criminal or how should i say. You know that bosnia defended its self alone with no weapons, army, its miracle man. So stfu u stupid kid and go find a girlfriend, or start to wank mby u should go out sometimes...
Oh, please ''no life, no gf, wanker'' is so old, man. You figured out all of that from a single post of mine or you just used your personal example to get back at me?
I think the last option is most likely true because the first one sure isn't.
We all should agree that the MOST IMPORTANT person in history is Charles Babbage who invented the First difference engines in 18XX (i don't really know the exact year ) and that's the true origin of the one of most popular and used things on earth , the
COMPUTER !!!
Urizen 2
03-23-2008, 14:11
We all should agree that the MOST IMPORTANT person in history is Charles Babbage who invented the First difference engines in 18XX (i don't really know the exact year ) and that's the true origin of the one of most popular and used things on earth , the
COMPUTER !!!
He came up with an idea of a programmable computer but difference engine was created by other people using his scheme.
This thread is not about the most important people (although Babagge certainly isn't the most important person) but the most memorable people in our history.
fatman69
03-23-2008, 15:58
smrt pederima is just some **** who doesnt have real life -.-"
who do u think that Alija was. He was a great president. We got independace mostly coause of him and u know that Milosevic was War criminal or how should i say. You know that bosnia defended its self alone with no weapons, army, its miracle man. So stfu u stupid kid and go find a girlfriend, or start to wank mby u should go out sometimes...
We all should agree that the MOST IMPORTANT person in history is Charles Babbage who invented the First difference engines in 18XX (i don't really know the exact year ) and that's the true origin of the one of most popular and used things on earth , the
COMPUTER !!!
yea really bloody important ande memorable people...alija's importance is only limited to his country, u think any1 in croatia gives a shizm about him?? come on, enough with cheap berg-like local patriotism and try finding some that did something extraordinary and important.
why no1 spoke of pasteur or koch? those guys saved lives?babbage's invention (and inventions of others that improved his work which lead to computers we have today) changed the world, but in my opinion world could live without computers, whether u admiti it or not. it would be a good life too, though a bit technologically impaired...
Urizen 3
03-23-2008, 16:27
yea really bloody important ande memorable people...alija's importance is only limited to his country, u think any1 in croatia gives a shizm about him?? come on, enough with cheap berg-like local patriotism and try finding some that did something extraordinary and important.
why no1 spoke of pasteur or koch? those guys saved lives?babbage's invention (and inventions of others that improved his work which lead to computers we have today) changed the world, but in my opinion world could live without computers, whether u admiti it or not. it would be a good life too, though a bit technologically impaired...
In my opinion the person who killed the most benefited humanity the most.
fatman69
03-23-2008, 18:14
In my opinion the person who killed the most benefited humanity the most.
once again you show us why u get banned on a daily basis and comfirming the theory that selective sterilisation should be used in come cases (yours in particular)
The man who finds cure for AIDS will be the most memorable character in history... but since AIDS virus mutates in every person who gets it , and is completely different from AIDS in some other person , this will be almost impossible.
Urizen 3
03-23-2008, 20:24
once again you show us why u get banned on a daily basis and comfirming the theory that selective sterilisation should be used in come cases (yours in particular)
Not really. The humanity is udnoing itself. Each year there's more and more of us hence the earth's resources are running out quicker, more pollution, less space, more crowd. Your philantropic point of view is nothing but insane and ridiculous.
Urizen 3
03-23-2008, 20:32
The man who finds cure for AIDS will be the most memorable character in history... but since AIDS virus mutates in every person who gets it , and is completely different from AIDS in some other person , this will be almost impossible.
Do you really think AIDS is such a problem? The most exposed groups are negros in Africa and homosexuals. God bless AIDS, may there never be a cure for it.
The real problem is the cancer - it's the nr.2 killer, following the cardio vascular illnesses, but mostly old people die from it whilst cancer doesn't always care about age. You could be having an osteosarcoma right now, Bonzy, without even knowing it. Once it starts to hurt, it's too late and it will be an agonizing, indignifying and miserable death. There's a 13 - 20% chance you'll die from cancer, Bonzy.
But ilnesses are just a nature's way of getting rid of excessive population, so no new medical or genetic advancement should be praised. Death is a natural and inevitable part of life, maybe if we would stop curing people who are genetically prone to some disorders or ilnesses we wouldn't allow them to pass on their weakness to their descendants.
Josh_lopes
03-23-2008, 22:28
Not really. The humanity is udnoing itself. Each year there's more and more of us hence the earth's resources are running out quicker, more pollution, less space, more crowd. Your philantropic point of view is nothing but insane and ridiculous.
lol :pet:haha take it easy or u will die with heart disease :shh:
OneTrickBurny
03-24-2008, 00:36
^^That's the death I'm hoping for.
Btw, I wonder which wiseguy banned me just for expressing my perfectly sane opinion under the explanation that I made an immoral and irational comment.
fatman69
03-24-2008, 02:14
oh guys there is a "Mankind at peril " thread so post your predictions there.
OneTrickBurny
03-24-2008, 02:17
oh guys there is a "Mankind at peril " thread so post your predictions there.
There's nothing to add in that thread. It's inevitable.
EverDream
03-24-2008, 10:15
Ah.. Someone said greeks invented the sex.. He forgot to say the macedonians shew them how they do it with women =))
pwnd.
Sky][RunneR-
03-29-2008, 04:28
You were not present on history lessons? Alexander The Macedonian was NOT the biggest conqueror , but I won't reveal who it was , find it out yourself. Of course you mention him as your idol when you are Macedonian , right? Well , actually , those old Macedonians were Greeks , and you know it , all that is similar between your people and him is name Macedonia. All I wrote here are checked facts. I respect your people very much but this is just the truth...
And about my idol...? Well I had no idol , but I had some people I admired , like the ancient Greek philosopher Aristotle , Leonardo di ser Piero da Vinci , a scientist, mathematician, engineer, inventor, anatomist, painter, sculptor, architect, botanist, musician and writer , etc etc
Ancient ones had no such relationship to what you call today ''your nation'' (and I spit on it) even you greeks are familiar with the fact of the conquest done upon you by one of the greatest kings and extraordinary diplomat called Philip II.
Philip II was a Macedonian ruler who succeed to rise and to strengthen the Macedonian Empire by turning the Ma
Philip II was a Macedonian ruler who succeed to turn the Macedonians from sheep farmers into solders to rise and to straight up the new-born Macedonian Empire he build it. After that it camed the War-time era in which you greeks were conquired and treated like a slaves (even the mother of Alexander the greek Olympia was treated that way no matter if she was a spouse of the king at that time, she was day and night crusified by Philip and in a debt of that she was running away of him coming to the place called Olympiada -present Greece)
Forward the time of Alexander the Macedon stepped off the fact his mother who was pushing him so badly to treat the greeks in more civilized way he continue what he father started to develope the country and reach the limits his father never dreamed of -to defeat Persia and become the next ruller of Asia. However I missed to mention Alexander was born in the city of Pella the capital of Ancient Macedonians and a hometown of Philip II as well. Pella has nothing to do with Greece at that time. So whether you greeks like it or not thats the truth whether you keep teaching your children to have that nazi attitude against my county it a decision you should make it by your own the history remembers the truth and you cant run away of it.
OMGBergrush
03-30-2008, 19:32
i dont know how to explain this to you so-called-macedonians since you obviously dont get it. you are NOT descendants of philip ii or alexander the great. they were helenic i.e. greek believed in greek mythology and spoke greek language. at the time when they were present on the world scene your ancestors were somewhere in the caucass/ukraine region
OneTrickBurny
03-30-2008, 20:36
i dont know how to explain this to you so-called-macedonians since you obviously dont get it. you are NOT descendants of philip ii or alexander the great. they were helenic i.e. greek believed in greek mythology and spoke greek language. at the time when they were present on the world scene your ancestors were somewhere in the caucass/ukraine region
True, Macedonians are mainly of slavic origin, so abandon all hopes of having Alexander's genes.
i dont know how to explain this to you so-called-macedonians since you obviously dont get it. you are NOT descendants of philip ii or alexander the great. they were helenic i.e. greek believed in greek mythology and spoke greek language. at the time when they were present on the world scene your ancestors were somewhere in the caucass/ukraine region
OK man tnx for everything ... 1st u dunno nothing for Macedonian ppl and the biggest imperia in the world All ppl know that Alexandar and Philip are macedonians not greek Because of they Hellass asses they change all the history of us ... And they wanna to rush us ...Like 2nd. They took PART from Macedonia and they wanna more ...+ my name is Philip... And ppl like YOU make chaos between us ... And i don't wanna to fight with u because u r my friend ...
I was every time when u needed help ... i dunno what u r talking now BUT U R TOTALLY WRONG ...
The biggest IMPERIA =Macedonia= ...
And pls BERGy Don't talk anymore against me and my Nationality and my country... because all the world know ABOUT MACEDONIAN HISTORY ...I am patriot like u ... I know what u do for your country and u lost your mod ...
And 1 more time BERGy pls don't talk anymore against ...
Sky][RunneR-
03-30-2008, 21:45
True, Macedonians are mainly of slavic origin, so abandon all hopes of having Alexander's genes.
these fields were not a hundred percent unpopulated as u all know on these fields were leaving the ancient macedonians and when the slavic tribes started the massive colonization they mixed up (a history fact) so that explains the origin we have with the ancient macedonians.
OMGBergrush
03-30-2008, 22:51
The biggest IMPERIA =Macedonia= ...
i read a lot. especially about history and i never read anywhere that alexander called his empire macedonian. you have to understand that as a banana country with basically no identity prior to yugoslavia [just like bosnia] your propaganda machine had to make some sort of a common history to gather the population into a single whole. for instance the bosnians centred around their faith and call themselves muslim while macedonians claimed alexanders legacy as their own which of course isnt going to be tolerated by the greeks because
1. Alexander the Great (July 20 356 BC – June 10 323 BC), also known as Alexander III, was an ancient Greek king[macedonian king?] of Macedon
2. Macedon or Macedonia was the name of a kingdom in the northern-most part of ancient Greece, bordered by the kingdom of Epirus to the west and the region of Thrace to the east. For a brief period it became the most powerful state in the ancient Near East after Alexander the Great conquered most of the known world, inaugurating the Hellenistic period of Greek history[macedonian period?].
[RunneR-;750870']these fields were not a hundred percent unpopulated as u all know on these fields were leaving the ancient macedonians
you are right they were populated...by greeks
fatman69
03-31-2008, 01:36
omg does every single thread in this section has to end up with berg and others fighting over the historical existence or value of any ex-yugo country whethere it's macedonia, croatia or bosnia
OneTrickBurny
03-31-2008, 02:25
omg does every single thread in this section has to end up with berg and others fighting over the historical existence or value of any ex-yugo country whethere it's macedonia, croatia or bosnia
Yes.
Sky][RunneR-
03-31-2008, 03:08
i read a lot. especially about history and i never read anywhere that alexander called his empire macedonian. you have to understand that as a banana country with basically no identity prior to yugoslavia [just like bosnia] your propaganda machine had to make some sort of a common history to gather the population into a single whole. for instance the bosnians centred around their faith and call themselves muslim while macedonians claimed alexanders legacy as their own which of course isnt going to be tolerated by the greeks because
1. Alexander the Great (July 20 356 BC – June 10 323 BC), also known as Alexander III, was an ancient Greek king[macedonian king?] of Macedon
2. Macedon or Macedonia was the name of a kingdom in the northern-most part of ancient Greece, bordered by the kingdom of Epirus to the west and the region of Thrace to the east. For a brief period it became the most powerful state in the ancient Near East after Alexander the Great conquered most of the known world, inaugurating the Hellenistic period of Greek history[macedonian period?].
you are right they were populated...by greeks
i've explain that already in my first reply im sure u check it out cuz u've made a question upon it i gave you the answer, i belive u find it difficult and now you're trying to role over the discussion once again heh so likely a serbian:rolleyes:
Sky][RunneR-
03-31-2008, 03:12
i read a lot. especially about history and i never read anywhere that alexander called his empire macedonian. you have to understand that as a banana country with basically no identity prior to yugoslavia [just like bosnia] your propaganda machine had to make some sort of a common history to gather the population into a single whole. for instance the bosnians centred around their faith and call themselves muslim while macedonians claimed alexanders legacy as their own which of course isnt going to be tolerated by the greeks because
1. Alexander the Great (July 20 356 BC – June 10 323 BC), also known as Alexander III, was an ancient Greek king[macedonian king?] of Macedon
2. Macedon or Macedonia was the name of a kingdom in the northern-most part of ancient Greece, bordered by the kingdom of Epirus to the west and the region of Thrace to the east. For a brief period it became the most powerful state in the ancient Near East after Alexander the Great conquered most of the known world, inaugurating the Hellenistic period of Greek history[macedonian period?].
you are right they were populated...by greeks
Remind Alexander as well as Philip were born in Pella (and Pella had nothing to do with Greece at that time) remind he tortured the greeks and treat them as slaves and u ''might'' understood what im trying to say here
OMGBergrush
03-31-2008, 03:59
[RunneR-;751026']Remind Alexander as well as Philip were born in Pella (and Pella had nothing to do with Greece at that time) remind he tortured the greeks and treat them as slaves and u ''might'' understood what im trying to say here
in all my study of the subject i never found the 'born in pella' or 'tortured greeks' parts of your claims anywhere. perhaps a link or a reference?
Sky][RunneR-
03-31-2008, 04:20
in all my study of the subject i never found the 'born in pella' or 'tortured greeks' parts of your claims anywhere. perhaps a link or a reference?
somehow i keep more and more surprised of your ignorance :huh:
you can find it everywhere
btw. where's alexander the macedon born judging by your knowledge?
OMGBergrush
03-31-2008, 15:09
http://www.e-classics.com/ALEXANDER.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_the_Great
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/historic_figures/alexander_the_great.shtml
OneTrickBurny
03-31-2008, 15:41
In that wikipedia link it says he was born in Pella, Macedon.
[GOD]Marko
03-31-2008, 15:44
its ancient old, what it has to do with population of flies on the moon?
OneTrickBurny
03-31-2008, 22:28
Marko;751170']its ancient old, what it has to do with population of flies on the moon?
What does your post have to do with humor? Nothing.
OMGBergrush
03-31-2008, 22:33
Marko;751170']its ancient old, what it has to do with population of flies on the moon?
what are you saying?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timur
And someone else named "Kursad"
Actually I couldn't find any resource of him in English or in other languages like Chinese (It was better to translate) But I heard about rumors that Kursad passed the Great Wall and brought down the Chinese Palace with his 40 horsemen But he got died in palace with a poison in his food.
Richard the Lionheart was a murderer and common thief. his so called "crusaders", army of christ, burned christian cities and raped all across the Europe. richard didn't bring anything good to any of the countries, so how can u talk of him as someone great? it's ridicilous to even try comparing him with some1 as Alex the Great or Barbaross or such..
Nah to me he was a hero. Western Europe was being over powered and they needed someone brave like a lion to launch the Crusades. Some say the stuff about the Knights Templar and all that was just a false story told by people at that time because they were captivated.
fatman69
04-06-2008, 12:52
Nah to me he was a hero. Western Europe was being over powered and they needed someone brave like a lion to launch the Crusades. Some say the stuff about the Knights Templar and all that was just a false story told by people at that time because they were captivated.
your precious little hero king was a common murderer. i say this because his army burned and pillaged my city (zadar) in 1202... look it up if you want. at that time whole croatia and zadar were christians and man burned entire christian city, raped and sacked it just because Venice asked him to do it in exchange for transport to Holy land...
i understand you gotta pay your fare somehow but i think a "hero" would think twice before burning a perfectly normal christian city. and those wars were "religiously" motivated like christianity vs. islam (yeah right, but if you claim to be christian at least try to be at least a little bit humane)
and don't think it stopped here. crusaders were a bunch of looters, when they came to holy land they did even worse stuff which i'd rather not discuss here...
Widowmaker
04-06-2008, 14:34
Nah to me he was a hero. Western Europe was being over powered and they needed someone brave like a lion to launch the Crusades. Some say the stuff about the Knights Templar and all that was just a false story told by people at that time because they were captivated.
Go get an education.
Well fatman, you must have been taught history differently to me. My teachers always taught me of how great he was and his victories over the Muslims. No one ever said to me he murdered Christians who were normal because he himself was a Christian...Why not go on about the Crusaders? I don't see them doing anything wrong in he made agreements and only assaulted when people revolted.
fatman69
04-06-2008, 16:36
yes that is the point... your teachers, you don't think there is a little bit of english patriotic influence in their teaching? as it is said on the start of "Braveheart": History was written down by the people who hanged others (or smth like that, but the context remains the same)
here's a wiki link check out chapter called "Crusades and suppression of heresy": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Innocent_III
i can understand that he's a part of your history, but you sometimes gotta face the fact that there are no black and white heroes...
I agree with you there, history almost always has a point of view. There are many educational text books out there who are in favour of America.
BonzyIsSexy
04-07-2008, 15:21
I agree with you there, history almost always has a point of view. There are many educational text books out there who are in favour of America.
So what did we learn from this? :D
That Richard the Lionheart sux :D
Sky][RunneR-
04-14-2008, 03:49
I agree with you there, history almost always has a point of view. There are many educational text books out there who are in favour of America.
it's called brain-washing:shh:and it seems pretty effective:thumbUP:
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