BoS vs OvP (first round game SS TOUR #2)

[Anomandaris]

Brotherhood of Steel vs OvErPoW3ReD

OvErPoW3ReD won game after 2 BoS players were dropped by bot in 2545 min.

I hope ovp will agree to remake this game.

[Rasta]

remake this ffs
don't think they wanna have this kind of win

[D3c3bal]

if they want this kind of win i just say: LOL

[rza]

what was score in that 25 min?

[teeron]

18:20 for OvP i think , drow in towers i think ;p

[Ogi.]

1st - i would gladly give you rmk but non of my mates will
2nd - heres the rep , all of my mates including me think they din`t have chance for win.
EDIT] Anom , u said 25 min? -_-

[Ludwiczek]

1st - i would gladly give yuo rmk but non of my mates will

LOL?

2 players dropped 3v5 and you dont want rmk?
if no dont have painfully adeventae in game and 99% chance to win try keep a bit respect for BoS and let them play RMK....

but i think some trusted admis/modes + neutral persons shoud check repaly think and decide...


PS what about other game JAM (berries) vs ... ? played on my lil Rom and reefer Logistik? serwer was offline
and i cant check who win, and that any dropped or no?

[Beliarh]

Lol 25 min?It seems around 45 to me...
Besides that,notice that one BoS player dropped,then others put 'GG',then one fellow LEFT.
There were not 2 leavers.One dropped,other left after he dropped.
My humble opinion,hope noone will be angry. :D

[zaqwsx123]

PS what about other game JAM (berries) vs ... ? played on my lil Rom and reefer Logistik? serwer was offline
and i cant check who win, and that any dropped or no?

We (berries) lost game, good play VPM, I think someone will post replay soon.

[Ludwiczek]

how about d/c lag/delay? i hope playable... ended 5v5?

[rza]

gg no rmk ^^:beer::pet::read::thumbUP::noob::cool:

[-eXtasY-]

I would really like to see rmk here, OvP please arrange it with BoS , since it would be defenetly fair...

[teeron]

Me and asus had countdown in same time, others heard that on ventrilo. When countdown had finished they wrote "gg". Believe what u want..

Well u think that we hadnt chance to win, mb its true mb not, i saw rly bad games that team who was 'owning' lost unexpectable.

[zaqwsx123]

how about d/c lag/delay? i hope playable... ended 5v5?

No dc, lags a bit, but full playable, no influence on score.

Btw. thx for hosting and time.

[-eXtasY-]

I really request rmk , come on lets see little fair play ... Its totally unfair , and i first wouldn't like to lose or win like that..

[maryaChi]

Yea.

This is totally unfair. It was not dc cuz someone was out of energy, out of connection or other stupid reason. They were dropped by bot(dunno what it exactly is this bot - i play on GGC for year).

I am sure that Bos won't play longer on ss tour if this game is not rmk. Its not a threat or sth like that. We r just little sad because we wanted to play, and we saw chance to win this game. We do not want to play in tour where we can lose cuz of bugs. This is totally unfair and i do not think some1 of us wants to have same situation in future.

[Ogi.]

Come on guys...I don`t quite understand where all that pressure comes from.You played 43 minutes , got one disconnect , then another....And would be much more fair if you 3 remaining players stayed in-game and asked for RMK , or asked for anything else , whatever you had in mind, since we are very conservative.But you left straight away , and run to forum trying to make us give you RMK by making public thread...We could have solved this in private , because none of us needs useless comments like this few , which people in this thread made after you , Anom. My mates are dissapointed with that attitude,and they strongly denied every thoguht about giving you rmk...
However , since I had a little talk with a respective ss mod , i`ll have a talk with my friends in the morning...Other bad thing is that ONLY free time this week we have tomorrow at 18.00 , so if I anyhow manage to convince them to play rmk , please be on stand by , and try to be there at 18.00 , i`ll tell you by 12.00 if I made it.
Sorry for long post ,but i got little nervous and pissed , so i had to.

[Ludwiczek]

you can lose game or games and win a game or games, its always happen and normal, but if you won tournament game like this, all will be remember it and in future remind it: hehe they win cose hacked or disc/bugg 2 enemy players! and dont want rmk ;)

its hard to organize team and sacrifice time for tour which can be so "retarded" (mean: not skill, not teamplay, but BUGs own the tour and make winner...)

btw, it worh thinking.. this is just normal group game, but what if situation will be in finals? semifinals? rulez was made before we discover bot hosting system, system is nice but nasty d/c happen, think about it

[[YY]Kai]

[QUOTE]btw, it worh thinking.. this is just normal group game, but what if situation will be in finals? semifinals? rulez was made before we discover bot hosting system, system is nice but nasty d/c happen, think about it


Ludwi has a good point there we should put in some kind of system for (bot dc) or something like this , allthough on my bot players hardly ever drop or get dced , and i use version 0.30 but the problem is that i will be leaving on the Wednesday the 12.3.08 to ibiza ... so i will not be able to host for the start of this tour , i might be back for the semifinels or finels when it will be usefull for a non droping bot. and can i ask who's bot did u play on in this game?

[teeron]

seekerbot

[straider]

as from a point of a neutral side .. i dont understand why are you forcing them to a rmk ? You are speaking about fairnes ? C'mon give it a break ... The game has been played after your rules, they folowed it. You just cant say you this is not fair ... coz its just a subjective statement. Bugs, DC has been here for years and no1 made such a mess.
Think one more time about this, i mean you Mods, You made the rules and now you are forcing someone to smthing because you THINK that its unfair? Oo gg no re

[teeron]

w/e gl

[Ogi.]

I`m sorry , but none of my mates have time , nor they want to remake it.
If mods want , you are free to sum the game as free win for BoS since it 'wasn`t played' , and its our side who doesn`t want to rmk, and + we aren`t gonna leave the tour , nor xpam if we get a lose ,as a guy who stated it above.
however, I hope we will stay with no hard feelings , gl in next matches. You`ll need it.

[hahahehe]

Me, from a neutral side point of view : At 43th mins, BOS team had 2 disco (why u wrote about 25th min ?) any decision should have been made immediatly... not after the game. Who was referee in that game ? he didn't do anything.
But if 2 disco at 25th mins, a rmk was raisonable.
About fair or unfair : it's a part of game, like football, referee gives opposite team an unfair penalty , because of that you lose the match. You must accept it w/e he is wrong or not. ALl you can do is to blame UEFA community this problem, but the score would not ever changed. That's the game.
Otherwise, if Ogi's team can't be able to do a rmk (Ogi can, but others can't) , you can't force them to play a rmk.
what's apitty. gl to both teams!

[teeron]

No hard feelings Ogi, i could stay in tour but im afraid my team will not - just stop f.....g telling smth like one player get dc and second left...

btw about that 25min - i think i was the one who said that it was 25min, that was just after game and i simply misscalculated time (sry my bad) and Anom straight away make post thinking that was true.

GL for u and rest of teams, u all will need it, and i hope that thing happend to us will not happend to U.

[hahahehe]

c'mon teeron, life is not usually like we want. ALl U need is LOVE and SEX, your sig already answers all we need :P, it's just a game. Love and SEX rulezzz ^_^!

[teeron]

hahaha what part of my post make u think that i see dota>live?

[hahahehe]

no i don't think so, u and ogi . I mean your team mates, don't give up the tour!

[teeron]

i said i can stay, but its not just up to me, ill talk to them later, lets :beer: tonight :tiphat:

[Ludwiczek]

Who was referee in that game ? he didn't do anything.


xp artifical but..... (28-35min?) he get disc before BoS disc xD pawned!

[Smurf]

Well,here's my humble opinion.
A guy that hasn't watched the replay,didn't see who was winning(guess OVP ? ) or what were the ods for BoS to succeed a comeback,however..as far as i see it,a remake should be the choice of OVP team,since they had the most chances of winning the game,and they probably would even if those 1/2 player(s) haven't been disconnected.
If they can't or they simply won't,i don't see your act as a fair one,since moderators are supposed to be neutral,as law enforcers,not slightly suggest something to the opposite team.
I really think this is entirely OVP's decision and BoS shouldn't feel anything offending with the non-rmk policy,since they would have lost that game.
Anyway,if dota section of BoS stands up to it's pg section's value,you won't have any troubles qualifying for next stage,i guess ;)

[Anomandaris]

Sorry for long post ,but i got little nervous and pissed , so i had to.

So was me.

You were offline when I started to think clearly Ogi, so had no other way to ask you about rmk. And dunno why did I write 25 min :P.
Anyway I hope we will resolve this problem (maybe match in other term or sth). Till drop it was really good game and I enjoy it.

[maryaChi]

I cannot agree with opinion that ovp was winning. It was 18-20 in kills in towers et was 4-4 or 5-5? With lvl it was square too. Thats true, we lost 2 or 3 actions 5 vs 5, but on sides we r better, we had better gangs and the result was open. They were pushing our mid, we were waiting for them and... 2x dc. And its bul**** that some1 left. On ventrilo i just heard " OMG COUNTDOWN, ****! I WAS DROPPED BY BOT!! " - and it was said by der_herr and teeron at the same moment. Teeron plays from GB, herr from Poland, it was not cuz of connection.

All from me.

[Beliarh]

Niiice.
Anom and Ogi. should clean up this mess.They should respect each other,as they do.None of us others should make the influence (or difference),not even the mods,no matter in how good relations are they with a captain of any team.
Mby they should both be given points,who knows?
Anyway,it's their decision,they are adults.With no hard feelings on each other,I hope.

[Artificial]

I was the referee of the game, I got dropped at the 36th minute of the game.
It was bot's fault I guess since I stayed on bnet and my connection was fine.

The rules are as follows.
VI. Drops/Disconnects
- On eurobattle.net save option doesn't work. After drop you must restart game (with same lanes and same items) only before first blood. After first blood it's up to you. If both teams agree, you can restart game.
- If bot disconnect, game will be remaked with the same heroes.
- You can normally use dropped hero, teamsell his items, or take his items. You can also buy items for dropped hero, but after that you can't sell it, nor take it to other hero.
Although the game was pretty much intense, and no one can say for sure who would have won, according to this rules it's up to Ovp.
It would be fair if they want to rmk, but if not nothing can be done.. it's up to them.

So we are waiting for the final decision of Ovp which should be said till Sunday.

That's it.

[MaN-O-WaR]

U might want to read those rules again:
- If bot disconnect, game will be remaked with the same heroes.
Imho they should play rmk according to rules quoted by Artificial, however i must admit i havent red them all, coz i was only curious how BoS is going in this tour ^__^

Sorry for my 5 cents, but i dont understand why dont u make saves every 5-10 minutes and after big battles or lost towers? It`s kinda common habit, it works so why dont u take benefits from this? ^^

[Ludwiczek]

if bot disconnect mean probably host/bot dc all players :)

'save' dont work on eurobattle :)

[teeron]

maniek, bot didnt disconnect he just drop me and der_herr

and yes save/load dont work on xpam that make any serious leage a bit unserious but :happy1:

[Artificial]

@man-o-war ludwiczek answered you

Since there is no answer, Ovp won this game.

[_Seeker_]

w/e if bos continues to play they can leave group with 2 wins.

[MaN-O-WaR]

maniek, bot didnt disconnect he just drop me and der_herrfor me its the same and tbh i dunno about what bot u guys r talking about xD

and yes save/load dont work on xpam that make any serious leage a bit unserious but :happy1:Why dont use other platform then? U know there is sth like GGC, LC (this might be problem as most of xpam players doesnt have legal cd-keys - i`ve only heard that ofc :D ), hamachi, battlelan, where there is no problem with saving the game and lag is decreased due to virtual lan environment.

[Smurf]

for me its the same and tbh i dunno about what bot u guys r talking about xD
Why dont use other platform then? U know there is sth like GGC, LC (this might be problem as most of xpam players doesnt have legal cd-keys - i`ve only heard that ofc :D ), hamachi, battlelan, where there is no problem with saving the game and lag is decreased due to virtual lan environment.
Hamachi = lan-line ( network),no spikes,no lag,custom games only = imba
I'm using it for ages and it would really be a cool solution.

[Artanthos]

Are you lol?
Do you know why it's ss tour? Because it's xpam tour, played on xpam, and teams are also from xpam...
Sure we can make tour on ggc, but it's not the point of ss-tour.

[rC]MarveL[Oo]

but if u are trying to make professional tour your gonna make it on ggc,but for this kinda of fun tour w/o save and others advantages of ggc your gonna make it on xpam.

[teeron]

BoS is @ ggc tour DSL (Dota Serious League) and doing well, in any games lost of saves, sometimes loads - but we joined ss-tour to play @ xpam. We all was afraid situation like that. Just b4 game we couldnt find 5-th player and we was confident to play 4v5 from begining, but honestly nobody could predict that 2 of us will dc in same time :S Anyway TonyC is offline a week, Anomandaris will be around 6 more days and Seeker said that he wont play so i see our mission on that tour in black colours...

[boogi3]

so what now with our group on tour?

[teeron]

patience my love

[_Seeker_]

I have to support tay here,ss-tour has no point playing it on different server/platforme.You guys spam now,the problem has been solved so no need for more spam.Ovp got win and us lost,life goes on.

[Sagacity]

MarveL[Oo;738948']but if u are trying to make professional tour your gonna make it on ggc,but for this kinda of fun tour w/o save and others advantages of ggc your gonna make it on xpam.


Man profesional means you get money from playing till then your words of profesional tours and games are just kids dreams.:cool:

[boogi3]

so whats MYM then?Or ADC? u get money for tours sponsored by GGC.....

[Ludwiczek]

when you all understand what eurobattle.net is????

it is not ggc...
it is not hamachi
it is not LAN
it is not single player ;)
it is not official oryginal serwer to play based on your license keys

eurobattle.net have serwers, have forum, own rules, banlists, safelist, PG sections CG sections, users talk on this forums and play on this serwer

safelist is created/reborned to improve our skill and fun and games played on higher lvl then normal pubs

eurobattle safelist is community and have own tournaments own rules/posibilities

accept this and play or if not accept, go for others tours/comunities

want play tour with load/save and money prizes? go and find some comunities which played like you want

you are from ggc? dota league? other ****? ofc you can join us and play but remember we have own rules and own posibilities and when you want play you must accept it

[teeron]

Ludwiczek i think u missed the point :]

[Ludwiczek]

Ludwiczek i think u missed the point :]


maniek, bot didnt disconnect he just drop me and der_herr

and yes save/load dont work on xpam that make any serious leage a bit unserious but :happy1:


Why dont use other platform then? U know there is sth like GGC, LC (this might be problem as most of xpam players doesnt have legal cd-keys - i`ve only heard that ofc :D ), hamachi, battlelan, where there is no problem with saving the game and lag is decreased due to virtual lan environment.

Hamachi = lan-line ( network),no spikes,no lag,custom games only = imba
I'm using it for ages and it would really be a cool solution.

MarveL[Oo;738948']but if u are trying to make professional tour your gonna make it on ggc,but for this kinda of fun tour w/o save and others advantages of ggc your gonna make it on xpam.

Man profesional means you get money from playing till then your words of profesional tours and games are just kids dreams.:cool:

so whats MYM then?Or ADC? u get money for tours sponsored by GGC.....



i think i no miss the point ;)

[MaN-O-WaR]

Imo u actually did. Even if it`s ss tour or how u call it it shouldnt prevent ppl using other platforms (more reliable ones) to play matches. SS should be community not platform. Im about 1,5 year in dotainvite. When i started playing there platforms where u could add were BNet and Hamachi, since GGC was crap in those times (rendered too many random drops) - now u can add up for a games played via LC or GGC. My point is that SS should be DotA community and community r ppl making it - not the platform. Life`s changing - same is software so why dont use better one when u can?

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Polish version (in case Ludwiczek wont understand it - note that i dont mean by this any offensive behaviour, i just wanna be sure im understood as i should)
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Sadze, ze tak wlasciwie to nie bardzo wiesz o co biega. Nawet jesli to jest SS tour czy jak to sie nazywa, nie powinno to w zaden sposob uniemozliwiac ludziom uzycie innego softu (lepszego w zasadzie) do rozgrywania meczy. SS powinno byc wspolnota a nie platforma. Jestem juz 1,5 roku na safeliscie #dotainvite i kiedy zaczynalem tam grac dostepne platformy jakich wtedy uzywalismy to byl BNet (northrend) i Hamachi - GGC bylo do dupy w tamtym czasie z uwagi zbyt duza liczbe dropow. Obecnie gramy przez LC albo GGC. To co chcialem to powiedziec ze SS powinno byc wspolnota graczy a wspolnote tworza ludzie, a nie soft przez ktory sie gra. Zycie idzie do przodu i tak samo soft, wiec dlaczego nei uzywac nowego, ktory jest lepszy?

[Ludwiczek]

My point is that SS should be DotA community and community r ppl making it - not the platform. Life`s changing - same is software so why dont use better one when u can?

answer:

[QUOTE=Tayschrenn;738913]Are you lol?
Do you know why it's ss tour? Because it's xpam tour, played on xpam, and teams are also from xpam...
Sure we can make tour on ggc, but it's not the point of ss-tour.

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PL answer (srry my englih is to poor)

Tobie chodzi o tworzenie wspolnoty najlepszych graczy bez względu na platforme (serwer/sposob grania)? Ja nie lubie ggc, sparwdzlaem go wielkrotnie i nie pasuje mi, LC odpada bo nie ma na xpamie, hamaczi odpada bo tak samo marne jak ggc, orginal odpada bo nie chce mi sie kupowac (chociaz mialem taki zamiar) wiec cieszy mnie takie cos jak eurbattle.net

tu nie chodzi o tworzenie jakiejs ogolnoswiatowej safelisty czy jednoczenia roznych saflisty w jedną (moze nie najglupszy pomysl, ale nie o to chodzi)
chodzi o to ze czesc graczy chce grac "lepsze gry na okreslonych zasadach"
dla nich zostało zrobione ss tutaj na eurobatle i oni sobie tutaj pykają spokojnie, ale czesto ktos wpada i pisze i wyśmiewa eurobalte, ze nooby ze lagi ze smiecie.. ze nie ma load save, ze jak mozna tu wogole grac...
ze jak przyjdzie virtrus cytrus czy inny mym to nas pozamiata jak smieci
itp, gowno mnie obchodzi jakis mym, a wiekszosc sterotypow o eurobatle jest nieaktulna, wiec skoro gruba ludzi grajaca tutaj i tworzaca tutejsza safliste nazwaną "sajflistą eurobatle net" chce sobie robic turnieje to sobier robi.

jak sobie to wyobrazasz? ludzie ktorzy poswiecaja tu czas i pracem napisza,
zeby zasinalwowac ggc i tam grac? troche dziwne..

prawdziwi twardziele nie placzą jak maja 0.0001 delaya lub od biedy maly lag,
wiadomo ze gra sie gorzej ale sie gra, gracz z xpamu poradzi sobie na ggc, ale jak ktos od dziecka gra na ggc i jeszcze ma takiego fuksa ze mu ggc dobrze dziala i wpadnie tutaj to placze ze lag

a ostatnio ludzie sie dziwią ze tutaj jest lepiej/szybciej niz na ggc niekiedy... --> zastosowanie botów do hostingu

nie uraziles mnie, mam nadzieje ze ja ciebie tez nie, ciezko mi zebrac w kupe mysli bo jest 3 cia i robie projek, wiec pewnie gowno wynikinie z tego co napisalem ;)
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ps zawsze czytam twoje posty dokladnie i szanuje twoje zdanie bo wiem ze grywasz sobie na tych inwajtach i innych i skila na pewno masz, a do tego piszesz z sensem :)

[Beliarh]

Give people room to spam and they will use it whenever they can. :D
And if you spam,you can at least use english language.
Imo that would be fair.

[maryaChi]

a ostatnio ludzie sie dziwią ze tutaj jest lepiej/szybciej niz na ggc niekiedy... --> zastosowanie botów do hostingu




Widać, że nie masz zielonego pojęcia jak gra sie na Garenie (dawne GGC), wiec po co stosujesz takie wywody? Prawda jest taka ze na Garenie grajac u jakiegos dobrego hosta, ma sie delay mniejszy niz hostujac gre na xpamie. Wlasnie skonczylem grac kolejny turniejowy mecz i bylo strasznie na tym waszym bocie.

Byla taka reklama coca-coli, gdzie dziadek stwierdza "kto by za moich czasow pomyslal zeby pic cocacole do obiadu... Kto powiedzial ze wtedy bylo lepiej?"

To zdanie pasuje tu idealnie, bo garena we wszystkich mozliwych kategoriach miażdży xpam, z tego tez powodu jest platformą ktora aktualnie kieruje swiatem doty i wyznacza standardy gry.

Od siebie dodam tylko, ze Bos gra dalej, ale jeszcze jedna taka wpadka i zwyczajnie wycofamy sie z rozgrywek. Na dzien dobry przegrywamy przez jakis systemowy disconnect gdzie wypada nam dwoch graczy i jeszcze czytamy potem na forum ze zasady sa zasadami.

pzdr.

[Der_herr]

[QUOTE=MaN-O-WaR;739718]
My point is that SS should be DotA community and community r ppl making it - not the platform. Life`s changing - same is software so why dont use better one when u can?

answer:



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PL answer (srry my englih is to poor)

Tobie chodzi o tworzenie wspolnoty najlepszych graczy bez względu na platforme (serwer/sposob grania)? Ja nie lubie ggc, sparwdzlaem go wielkrotnie i nie pasuje mi, LC odpada bo nie ma na xpamie, hamaczi odpada bo tak samo marne jak ggc, orginal odpada bo nie chce mi sie kupowac (chociaz mialem taki zamiar) wiec cieszy mnie takie cos jak eurbattle.net

tu nie chodzi o tworzenie jakiejs ogolnoswiatowej safelisty czy jednoczenia roznych saflisty w jedną (moze nie najglupszy pomysl, ale nie o to chodzi)
chodzi o to ze czesc graczy chce grac "lepsze gry na okreslonych zasadach"
dla nich zostało zrobione ss tutaj na eurobatle i oni sobie tutaj pykają spokojnie, ale czesto ktos wpada i pisze i wyśmiewa eurobalte, ze nooby ze lagi ze smiecie.. ze nie ma load save, ze jak mozna tu wogole grac...
ze jak przyjdzie virtrus cytrus czy inny mym to nas pozamiata jak smieci
itp, gowno mnie obchodzi jakis mym, a wiekszosc sterotypow o eurobatle jest nieaktulna, wiec skoro gruba ludzi grajaca tutaj i tworzaca tutejsza safliste nazwaną "sajflistą eurobatle net" chce sobie robic turnieje to sobier robi.

jak sobie to wyobrazasz? ludzie ktorzy poswiecaja tu czas i pracem napisza,
zeby zasinalwowac ggc i tam grac? troche dziwne..

prawdziwi twardziele nie placzą jak maja 0.0001 delaya lub od biedy maly lag,
wiadomo ze gra sie gorzej ale sie gra, gracz z xpamu poradzi sobie na ggc, ale jak ktos od dziecka gra na ggc i jeszcze ma takiego fuksa ze mu ggc dobrze dziala i wpadnie tutaj to placze ze lag

a ostatnio ludzie sie dziwią ze tutaj jest lepiej/szybciej niz na ggc niekiedy... --> zastosowanie botów do hostingu

nie uraziles mnie, mam nadzieje ze ja ciebie tez nie, ciezko mi zebrac w kupe mysli bo jest 3 cia i robie projek, wiec pewnie gowno wynikinie z tego co napisalem ;)
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ps zawsze czytam twoje posty dokladnie i szanuje twoje zdanie bo wiem ze grywasz sobie na tych inwajtach i innych i skila na pewno masz, a do tego piszesz z sensem :)


Haha :D

[Ludwiczek]

wielka łaska ze zagracie ;) naprawde...

a ty nie masz pojecia o botach i to nie jest nasz bot tylko, wiele roznych botow i nie moja wina ze gracie akurat na chujowym..

to tak jakbym zagral na ggc u perwuianczyka i napisal ze to wasze ggc to strasznie chodzi ;)

sedno jest takie ze to nie jest turniej w dote na wszystkich platformach tylko turniej eurobattle ss i nikt nie kaze wam grac
jezeli preferyujecie inne platformy

bez urazy, bo ostatnio cos duzo ciśnień tu jest... i ludzie skacza sobie do gardeł

jak cos to pisz/piszczie na priva bo moj ograczniony angielski uniemozliwia mi plynna dyskusje a i moze powodowac nieporozumienia,
najepiej nie pisac tu PL tylko Private msg jak cos

[Artificial]

how about using the pm option?

[Ludwiczek]

how about using the pm option?

in last post i tell it ;)

"najepiej nie pisac tu PL tylko Private msg jak cos"