A question

[klemen]

Since ss-Kenyshor didn't answer my question in PM, I will ask here.

What is wrong with item build threads+s&j for bone?

treads? + sange?

plz explain me, because I really don't know what is wrong with that


cheers

[-eXtasY-]

I guess its not question only for keny , so ill answer u . First of all bone is dps (demage per second) hero , what means that he should be main dmg dealer of team who will eat low hp heroes in few sec . What do u need sange&yasha for?
Lets start from sange .. it gives u hp boost, what i agree , u do need. But isnt it much better just to buy few bracers and solve your problem? Maim? what for? With proper build with help of your team you opponents will be dead before they try to run. Yasha gives u move and attack speed , again what for ? For as u have your first spell , while move speed isnt so important since u have ww. So yes i can freely say that so much gold is waste in this case. With such great farmer u can get expensive items very fast , so defenetly MKB would be my choice . Personally i don't prefer PT but it can be fine for bone, but of course not if u get it fast without any dmg items , because its a fact that AS in early game without dmg is kinda useless...so again .. its waste of gold.

[D3c3bal]

i see that diablo posted in front of me, i'm 100% with diablo's post

[klemen]

Thanks for your kind reply.

You can close now if yu want.

[Flowy]

so maim never can work with arrows -> +40 dmg / maim

[klemen]

I will use this thread for another question:


Why I can join ss chanel, but my friends can't (you are banned from this chanel messege)? I dunno if I still can, but I could few days ago.

[Ludwiczek]

from time to time Guard (bot which secure ss channel) got retarded or pawned and cant secure and then you and others non ss can join ss channel ;)

[BlackLagoon]

i vote for renaming thread to "noobs corner" and hf ;]

[klemen]

from time to time Guard (bot which secure ss channel) got retarded or pawned and cant secure and then you and others non ss can join ss channel ;)

it looks you're right


thanks for all answers...

[LifeDrainer[RO]]

+for every hero power treads as 1st item is kinda lame....you went with boots of eveleskin and you waste all your starting money...why?at least you could buy belt of ogre (or how its called),+6 str is better than +6 dmg for begining for sure,and this was just a comparation cuz there are better items which you can buy for bone with starting money...and i dont remember but you did not converted pt into strenght(while hp boost is very good for bone since he has some pitiful hp,and especially vs those enemyes,which can kill you almost instantly)...why?+10 str is signifiant amount of str while again +10 dmg and +10 attack speed(bone alrdy have spell which give you nice as increase)is not a must....

[Uberpr0]

S&Y .= 5100 gold = +16 str + 16 agi + 16% IAS + 16% MS +16% to hit MAIM

Bone has strafe , 16% IAS for ?
Bone has windwalk , (481 ms with treads) 16 % MS for? Having 522 when your windwalking?
Bone has firearrows 16% To hit maim? what for? when your playing a dps hero with the incovenience of having such low hp so i would say that +16 str for 5100 gold is kinda of stupid.

vanguard : 2,275 gold +250 hitpoints + 5 hp regen + 65% to block 40 damage
Buriza :6200 gold +75 damage 20% to hit 2.2x Criticals
Mkb :5400 gold + 75 damage +15% IAS +30% to hit 100 damage ministun
Radiance : 5325 gold + 60 damage + 35 immolation damage + 8% evasion
(this should come later)
Butterfly :6000 gold +30 agility + 30 damage + 60% increased atackspeed + 30% evasion


you can compare and see if it's realy worth making s&y on such a hero as bone. Your LONG away from ss if you still think that s&y is good for heroes such as bone or trax , it would be much much better making treads(str) vanguard if you dont want to make bracers and mkb or buriza (or rad)

[klemen]

Ok, I played today with your "pro" item builds.

Bone without threads moved like an old lady with 300 ms. Inv is not all you know. It costs mana and you can't hunt heroes with inv on.

So about threads lame item build: I will keep buying.

About mkb: 2x Javelin=you spend 2800 gold for +32 damage and 20% for 40??? I say spending 2800 gold for nothing.

I also can't go butterfly from the beginning, impossible to farm 3400 gold.

Radiance: as you said, late

The only items I could get by your suggestions is buriza and vanguard. But without threads, I can't catch anyone.

[[YY]Kai]

I also can't go butterfly from the beginning, impossible to farm 3400 gold.

Farming 3400 gold is pretty easy with bones tbh , just solo mid max fire arrows and max the last hit , im pretty sure if u can last hit well u will be abble 2 get 3400 for eagle or 3800 for relic in max 20 mins ...

[klemen]

Kai;735084']Farming 3400 gold is pretty easy with bones tbh , just solo mid max fire arrows and max the last hit , im pretty sure if u can last hit well u will be abble 2 get 3400 for eagle or 3800 for relic in max 20 mins ...

I am too big "noob" to get in ss, so don't talk with such ease with me. :)

[LifeDrainer[RO]]

lol and you say that +15 ms which treads provide boost so imba your movement speed?n/c....and yes use ww to catch enemyes so dont whine on mana,buy 1 basil and even with +15 ms i dont think that you are so fast related to boots
MKB combinet with high attack speed = > nice item so i dont see your point with that calculation...and is not our problem with the farming problem of ealge and stuff...

[Ludwiczek]

Kai;735084']Farming 3400 gold is pretty easy with bones tbh , just solo mid max fire arrows and max the last hit , im pretty sure if u can last hit well u will be abble 2 get 3400 for eagle or 3800 for relic in max 20 mins ...


:) i want see you in ss game with bone farmed 3400-3800 till max 15-20 min
vs hmm for example tay or kenshor or chainsaw ;)

[Mer]

@klemen bone without threads have 350 speed not 300. you missed sth.

@lolo you get the point. I wasn't ever such outfarmed in pub(even if i autoattack all time) as when i stand against tay or keny.

[Mr.7error]

if you are with bone solo-ing a lane against a skilled oponent with a nice hero that suits solo-ing, you can get 3300 for eaglehorn in like 25 minutes or such(includes tay,keny, mym or virtus or whatever).

[Ludwiczek]

if you are with bone solo-ing a lane against a skilled oponent with a nice hero that suits solo-ing, you can get 3300 for eaglehorn in like 25 minutes or such(includes tay,keny, mym or virtus or whatever).

so what? what you mean?

i say its (3400-3800) hard till 15-20 min vs good enemy, and its true, cose enemy deny and harras too and can have nasty hero, and organized team can gang you easy

i dont understand sens of your post..

[Heldarion]

Bone + Treads + WW lvl 4 = 510 ms
It comes handly all game long, you're on haste practically all the time when in invis.

[Desty]

xD xD I wanna see one from ss farming agaisnt some MYM xD with real pressure... it would be funny.

[Ludwiczek]

xD xD I wanna see one from ss farming agaisnt some MYM xD with real pressure... it would be funny.

you think it is impossible to farm with bone vs them 3800 in 19 min? xD?

[-eXtasY-]

xD xD I wanna see one from ss farming agaisnt some MYM xD with real pressure... it would be funny.

ok ill give u rep where ss-nennad owns levant ;)

[Desty]

how much time i need to wait ? :D

[Artificial]

yeah, i've outfarmed levent and h4nn1 few times..

[Artanthos]

And I've outfarmed arti few times.
So me > MyM
gg

[BlackLagoon]

And I've outfarmed arti few times.
So me > MyM
gg
we know tay,we know :thumbUP:

[2fuckingbitch]

HAHaH
Btw punishment>tay => punishment>all
HAHAH pwn xD

[Mr.7error]

You don't need to go zomfg mym imba gosu omfg pros, it's not like that...but about ludwiczek's post, ya its rather impossible to farm 3800 with bone in 19 minutes against such players with a decent last hitter.

[[YY]Kai]

You don't need to go zomfg mym imba gosu omfg pros, it's not like that...but about ludwiczek's post, ya its rather impossible to farm 3800 with bone in 19 minutes against such players with a decent last hitter.
__________________ Cmon , it is not impossoble , bone has +40 dmg on lvl 7 that is so easy to get a creep , u can almost attack the creep when it has 45% hp and they cant deny it at 45% hp same goes for silencer ... even if there SOOOOO skilled its not imposoble.

[Mr.7error]

Kai;736117']Cmon , it is not impossoble , bone has +40 dmg on lvl 7 that is so easy to get a creep , u can almost attack the creep when it has 45% hp and they cant deny it at 45% hp same goes for silencer ... even if there SOOOOO skilled its not imposoble.

I meant when you are against some nice last hitter...remember that silencer vs bone we had like 1-2 days ago on ss, nice last hitters and i had like 4200 in min 24..so you cant farm that amount with bone vs lets say same skilled silencer or nevermore or maybe some obsidian etc, these kind of heroes.

[Ludwiczek]

hmm, now dont know, what bone freak can... i play 2 pubs with bone,
i hate him and dont know how to play him, and dont feel hist attak
but in both games, with poor last hit/deny i got ~ 3500 in ~20-22 min
so proper bone player can reach huge more...

so mayby [YY]Kai have right, that bone with proper player can reach 3800 in max 20 min, but imo it still depend on enemy heros/skill/playstyle

[BlackLagoon]

so mayby [YY]Kai have right, that bone with proper player can reach 3800 in max 20 min, but imo it still depend on enemy heros/skill/playstyle

i think it depends most on player skills and pc/net then enemy heroes/enemy skills

[klemen]

I got an answer is Item build thread: Evasion is not needed for one and I agree with this. So I don't have to farm 3400 gold afterall. ;)

[ss-Kenyshor]

Shinde.

[[YY]Kai]

Shinde.

??

[Artanthos]

Shinde.

Post of the month.

[Uberpr0]

Post of the month.

Post of the year.

[Heldarion]

don't forget your human factor - since you're not a robot, you'll not automatically last-hit creeps all the time, so you're probably gonna JUST SCREW UP 1/4 of last hit tries.
In order to be able to last hit all creeps, you require some goddamn imba focus on your lane

[Rake]

xD xD I wanna see one from ss farming agaisnt some MYM xD with real pressure... it would be funny.

Sory for offtopic, but I don't understand point of this post.

What are you trying to prove ? That MYM are one of best players in the world ? We know that.That 'ss' is much worse ? We know that. That MYM would overfarm most ( or maybe all ) of us ? We also know that.

But does it matter ? We're taking here about 'ss' not GGC, not MYM.Just because there are some better players, people can't say that X or Y is good player here or they can't compare to each other ?

You know, I'm pretty sure that if some of current 'ss' players decided to switch from fun gaming to progaming and continued playing at decent dota communities and leagues, they would be able to face those 'OMFGImbaBestGozuMYM' players surely, without any fear.

Go back to your Imba GGC with imba players, and let others to have fun with things, they have here.And stop posting such bull****.Thanks.

[Desty]

:D lol ,
What Am I trying to prove?With that post, There is absolutely nothing to prove,so if u state that I am " trying to prove something" with that so that's the first mistake you did by understand it , the second one could be the way you decided to take it ; why you personally took this bad ? since im actually a ss former dota player and personally I just have no reason why to joke sarcastically about this community I was in much time ago.I actually do not even care about MyM , TeG , Or whatever but to see people arguing on ss with their" wtf i farmed more than u blabla"is pretty pointless when farming doesnt depend on skill 100% and I state that every idiot who plays a lot of time + has a nice hardware could become a nice farmer if there's no real strategy made to prevent that farming.Now if you went on the " go b to ggc " ;/ ... it's really awful since i just do not play on ggc and nor even interested since i left gaming and plus , i just do not think i spoiled any good mood of ss players since I am myself a ss player so you could take what i posted into another way instead of getting it straight seriously and started stating that bull****s like " what you wanna prove " alone while I just wanted to get rid of those guys who are taking dota in a ridiculous way.So I would like you to understand what I am explicitly saying and stating instead of understanding things I never openly said nor even ever thought.And by the way , being so much serious(which means having a certain style of meaning's interpretation ) In a Gaming Platform such as this PVPGN server which is pointless+senseless and brings bad mood.So next time try not to get into that " misunderstanding frenzy " and try to understand if it really interests you more deeply Thanks.

[ss-Kenyshor]

This thread was about sange+treads items for bone. Since lately you are completing offtopic, I realise that you have nothing else to say, so I'll close this one. Further debates can be made via PM.