Zeitgeist

[_TerrorBlade_]

http://zeitgeistmovie.com/dloads.htm

"Zeitgeist, produced by Peter Joseph, was created as a nonprofit filmiac expression to
inspire people to start looking at the world from a more critical perspective and to understand that
very often things are not what the population at large think they are"

discuss...

[CaRaMBa]

http://zeitgeistmovie.com/dloads.htm

"Zeitgeist, produced by Peter Joseph, was created as a nonprofit filmiac expression to
inspire people to start looking at the world from a more critical perspective and to understand that
very often things are not what the population at large think they are"

discuss...

I downloaded it and watched the first part, it's quite interesting. Now I'm checking some historical facts on the internet but they seem to be true :)

I think it's worth watching it, but i will comment it when i watched it fully. Anyway thanks :)

[IOwnYouAll]

downloading :)


i <3 movies that inspire people to look at the world from a critical perspective ;)

danke her terrorb1ade :) :P


PS:jeesus christ ... 3.5 mb dl ....

[Rasta]

downloading in progress.....:p

[_TerrorBlade_]

i forgot to say(i thought u'd figure that out), its not a movie, its a documentary made of 3 parts;1.religion ; 2.war and then its goes to the contemporary days... each part links with the other, so dont skip parts and be sure to watch them all; better all at once( consecutively ofc xD)

[kranz]

since I'm a catholic the first part didn't convince me-was quite funny, second was interesting but mostly based on materials available on the net-but makes u think about that case a lot, third-haven't seen yet

[_TerrorBlade_]

as said in the video, no one says you should believe/accept the 'truth' you must realize the truth.

[CaRaMBa]

The first part was really interesting for me, I haven't heard about Horus in connection with christianity yet. However, the religion has positive attributes too, not so bad as in the film.

About WTC: I allready heard this theory and i've allready seen some of its proofs (time of falling, 'nice' collapsing...) Nice jobs gathering the proofs, it can be true

I didn't like the third part very much, it seems to me unreal. North Amercia Uniting+amero currency?:blink:
And the African Union is a bit funny for me :D I just can't imagine that all Africa unites in the close future. The same goes with Asia...there are so different countries (Africa and Asia are so colourful :))

[IOwnYouAll]

africa unite? why not?

some time ago,one of my friends dreamth that the AntiCrist was born...in africa ...geez...and africans ruled the world and we were all speaking the same languadge...

ODOGNGODONGO (cheers) :D

[_TerrorBlade_]

i strongly recommend you all watch it; the torrent has good seed and you`ll dl it in less than 10mins.

[CaRaMBa]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q95kX_EP2Nk

That is Bill Hicks speaking in the video (the guy they quoted at the end of Zeitgeist). If you don't understand, here is the text
http://www.ojar.com/view_7270.htm

There is a comment at youtube, which got the point very well.

"Zeitgeist has some great underlining points, the main one being to not believe everything you see in the media. Unfortunately the morons of today's society cannot grasp such a concept and will watch a film like Zeitgeist and fall into the same trap, sure its "believable" but so much of it is false and those that choose not to think for themselves fall for it. "If the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch." Matthew 15:14. And no I'm not religious."

And this is ****ing true...Zeitgeist is just another video, a conspiracy. You can't know what really happened at WTC, you can't be sure about third part neither. The film just make you believe, that now you know everything and you are so smart now, you are better then those, who thinks it was a real terrorist attack.
I do not know what happened 9/11, I do not know whether God exists, I do not know if the whole world is controlled by bankers, and i won't ever now for these for sure. And to be sincere, I don't care very much. Would you make things in an other way if 9/11 was not a terrorist attack? I wouldn't change anything in my life, so I don't really care about it. I can't do anything, I can't know anything for sure.

I don't really understand some of the smartasses here arguing at other topics at Serious Discussion (for example in WW2)...They think they know everything about WW2 since they read X books about it. But OMFG...somebody wrote those books. He couldn't know everything. He can change the story. And sometimes they do change the history. Writers may express their feelings, they might exaggerate things, they might make the history nicer. Or maybe they just don't remember things correctly.
Anyway, you can't be sure about things you read, whether they are true or not...and a lots of people blindly believes in what they read...and they can swear each other just because they see some things from different point of views.
They are arguing about how Hitler could won WW2, or if Nazis could have won the war whether they do not attack Russia etc etc...but LOL...they can't think about everything, they are NOT able to calculate what would have happened...pathetic...


Ooops, i didn't want to make such a long post :)

[Xfire]

I don't really understand some of the smartasses here arguing at other topics at Serious Discussion (for example in WW2)...They think they know everything about WW2 since they read X books about it. But OMFG...somebody wrote those books. He couldn't know everything. He can change the story. And sometimes they do change the history. Writers may express their feelings, they might exaggerate things, they might make the history nicer. Or maybe they just don't remember things correctly.
Anyway, you can't be sure about things you read, whether they are true or not...and a lots of people blindly believes in what they read...and they can swear each other just because they see some things from different point of views.
They are arguing about how Hitler could won WW2, or if Nazis could have won the war whether they do not attack Russia etc etc...but LOL...they can't think about everything, they are NOT able to calculate what would have happened...pathetic...

History means facts. WW2 was not a war that happened hundred of years ago, it was a war that happened few decades ago. There are people who still live, and they survived the war, so cut the bullcrap with 'they were written by x, they have been modified'.. C'mon, give me some arguments to show us that history is fake and we are all bullcrapping around there, we're some idiots who don't even know what we're saying. Or is it just the fact that you didn't even touch a history book and you're trying to call us all idiots, but despite that, you don't even know who was Hitler or Roosevelt? Better don't talk about others' discussions; and, be tough enough to write this in WW2 thread, not here. Or, are you afraid of owning yourself?

[CaRaMBa]

History means facts. WW2 was not a war that happened hundred of years ago, it was a war that happened few decades ago. There are people who still live, and they survived the war, so cut the bullcrap with 'they were written by x, they have been modified'.. C'mon, give me some arguments to show us that history is fake and we are all bullcrapping around there, we're some idiots who don't even know what we're saying. Or is it just the fact that you didn't even touch a history book and you're trying to call us all idiots, but despite that, you don't even know who was Hitler or Roosevelt? Better don't talk about others' discussions; and, be tough enough to write this in WW2 thread, not here. Or, are you afraid of owning yourself?

hehe...
I wasn't referring to you. Yes, there are facts which can't be modified. Did you read the conversations between Rutkowski and kranz? I was referring to them.
Did you watch the film (Zeitgeist)?
It gives an alternative solution for the collapse of the Twin Towers (9/11) It was 7 years ago, not 65, and still there are such theories existing.
About WW2: Yes, there are people who fought in WW2 but probably they didn't know much about the global politics (Hitler's plan or ...go watch Zeitgeist, there is a part in connection with WW2). They were just soldiers, they saw only the local war, not the things globally.
I can't give arguments to show you that history is fake (how could i prove? this is what i said^^), but there are events, which are unclear. In most cases there is only one story which remained for the future (this is called 'the truth'), which might be true. Still, there are events which are unclear and played important role for a country or for even the world (Creation of the world(religion vs big bang)?, How hungary entered ww2 (who bombarded our city? germans/romanians/russians?)). So according to this, that is also possible that in connection with an event the 'wrong' story remains for the future, not the real one.
Btw how do arabians learn about the Crusades? How do we learn about it? Kommunism-imperialism at the age of the Cold-War from different sides?
The same event, totally different stories at the two sides.
I never said that you are an idiot or anyone else there is an idiot.
And yes, I've allready touched a history book:thumbUP: (and learned history...)
What i wrote about has nothing to do with ww2. I said this in connection with history and about historical beliefs (as in Zeitgeist there are some). That's why i wrote it here.
I'm really sorry if you feel offended, I didn't want to offend you.


oh I almost forgot: I know who is Hitler and Roosevelt.:thumbUP:

[_TerrorBlade_]

@caramba i havent read all your bull~ i mean posts bcz i`m kinda in a hurry however dont be foolish(regarding the 9/11); if you believe that 2 planes can take down WTC's and 1 plane can crash into the pentagon then vanish completely then your either incredibile stupid or just ignorant.

[skywalker3]

History means facts. WW2 was not a war that happened hundred of years ago, it was a war that happened few decades ago. There are people who still live, and they survived the war, so cut the bullcrap with 'they were written by x, they have been modified'.. C'mon, give me some arguments to show us that history is fake and we are all bullcrapping around there, we're some idiots who don't even know what we're saying. Or is it just the fact that you didn't even touch a history book and you're trying to call us all idiots, but despite that, you don't even know who was Hitler or Roosevelt? Better don't talk about others' discussions; and, be tough enough to write this in WW2 thread, not here. Or, are you afraid of owning yourself?

caramba is right in some points ,dont forget that we`re talking about human brain ,and the ones who wrote the books ar also humans ,and their brain gets older too ,and they also forget some things .
I am a sceptik ,like Caramba ,and i also believe in many things that you consider non-sense
And for terrorblade i wanna say that i`m with you ,despite the fact that it`s a popular case around the world ,there are still some hidden facts that u dont even dream about . Like terrorblade mentioned the planed that actualy hit the MIGHTY PENTAGON and then vanished completely ,that`s simply stupid ,i mean come on how can u even believe this? i watched many documentaries about that incident on 11 september ,and it looks like it was faked (although i dont see a good reason)

[[GOD]Marko]

Everyone has hes own perspective as he has his own opinion, same as everyone has hes own ass.
If you want to see the world from a different perspective, you should watch movies like The Matrix, Vanilla Sky, Apocalypto, 2001: A Space Odyssey, Dark City.. or animes like Fullmetal Alchemist or Neon Genesis.

[alek95]

We cant say much about part 1,bicus it has happend very long time ago.

on the 9.11.2001 I was at my home I watched TV and I saw live colapse of the 2 towers,It looks like the explosivse vare planted inside building,and termite mass.Theat teory was not first on this move I suspected theat explosives wasre josed instantli and theat was a word of a controled demolishion.I newer so on TV nothing about WTC 7.

There are meny evidence theat part 3 it TRUE!!!

Mass media: e.g.
Couple of weeks ago there ware protests organised across Serbia.And one of the biggest was in Belgrade.On CNN,BBC,EuroNews... u can just saw how Serbian are Burning the embasi robing stores... BUT I CUDNT SEE OUR PEOPLE THEAT WARE CRAING FOR SAIVOR OF SERBIANS ON KOSOVO AND our PATRIAH(MAIN PRIEST,LIKE PAPA TO CATOLICS)WAS LEADING THE PRAIERS for savieur of Serbs there and for seiviur of Kosovo hundrets of people gaderd in front of the Bigest ortodox cristian church in Belgrade with candels,craing... (when I just remember I start to cry to).
2. e. g. When our former president Slobodan Milosevic died,autopsy was done first 10min after the end of the outopsy the conclusion vas theat he was poisoned in Hag tribunal (hi was poisoned meny times so he cudnt defent him slef on the cort)after 10-15min sudnly without thinking they changed story they teold theat he dided from cardiac arest.
Meny more prufs can be foun in Serbia about the media is LAING!!!cover up's...
So why we shud bolive theat scenes wheat we see about Osama Bin Laden,War in Iraq,North Korea,(past)Soviet Russia...

Do u think theat an IDIOT named J.W.BUSH can lead America??? If u know more about him your answer shud be NONONONOONOOOONONON,*****ING MO"""""ER IS AN IDIOT.

DEVIDE AND CONQUER:Prufs can be found almost evrywhere in the former eastern block.

I dont want to afend enyone but teen Americans are ****ing stupid...
about 60% teen Americans dont even know who is Adolf Hitler.Bicus ther goverment does not want to teach em about harcis,bicus American polici is almost the same as Hitlers....

I am sure theat this post will be deleted as on other forums...
at least someone is going to see it...

Sorry for bed wrighting.

one more thing I hate English languege!!!

[OMGBergrush]

Its guys like you that make serbian people seem ignorant and stupid.
Learn some english and some facts so as not to make a fool of yourself like now.

[_TerrorBlade_]

those who realise such things will most likely not generalize...

[alek95]

Its guys like you that make serbian people seem ignorant and stupid.
Learn some english and some facts so as not to make a fool of yourself like now.

Daj nemoj vise da kenjas.

[EverDream]

they are turning this into politics... again... close and ban noobs for flaming Serbia!

[CaRaMBa]

Do u think theat an IDIOT named J.W.BUSH can lead America??? If u know more about him your answer shud be NONONONOONOOOONONON,*****ING MO"""""ER IS AN IDIOT.


I dont want to afend enyone but teen Americans are ****ing stupid...
!!!

they are turning this into politics... again... close and ban noobs for flaming Serbia!

Who is flaming who? Not the serbs are the ones who are being flamed...

[OMGBergrush]

Daj nemoj vise da kenjas.

1st of all talking in language other than english in this section is grounds for a ban and 2nd what the hell do you know about life 13y old war3 player. and especially what do you know about world politics. you wrote a bunch of speculations and conspiracy theories none of which have been proven. when you enter a political discussion no one care what you think or what you believe the only thing that counts are facts. and when you grow up you will learn the difference between an opinion and a fact and until then i recommend you to stop writing more stupid posts.

[EverDream]

berg just dont fight with them

[alek95]

1st of all talking in language other than english in this section is grounds for a ban and 2nd what the hell do you know about life 13y old war3 player. and especially what do you know about world politics. you wrote a bunch of speculations and conspiracy theories none of which have been proven. when you enter a political discussion no one care what you think or what you believe the only thing that counts are facts. and when you grow up you will learn the difference between an opinion and a fact and until then i recommend you to stop writing more stupid posts.

:noob:

Opet kenjas... :clap:

[DremoraLord]

This movie is made with INTERESTS! There are some things that you can almost not disapprove, like the 9.11 thing, but i'd like to mention that some of the facts are LIES. Up-front lies.
For example: The USA joined the first world war, not because of Lusitania, but because the Germans tried to convince Mexico to turn against USA. That, and many others. I think it's an interesting movie, one should definitely watch it, as long as you do not believe some of the bull**** that's in it.

[alek95]

Is this lie to u!!!

http://www.truthinmedia.org/truthinmedia/Kosovo/War/PhotoAlbum/photos-war-7.html

Ou no,this are not real ptictures,thet women there is a plastic dummy,and theat huse there is not in Serbia.(thete houses are maybi on mars,or on moon)

[sheepXcat_sk]

I think alek95 is true... Who knows what happen better than the one who lives there?
..... Back to the film : I've seen first 15 minutes and then I realised it's a complete and total BUL**** so I stopped watching, but when I will haVe more time I'll try to watch
Zeitgeist seems to be clever, maybe he is, but why does he lie?
For example : Jesus was not born on 25. december, it's just tradition [this is a fact]. When we know this, we can realise that the bul**** with sun going down, not moving for 3 days and then rising makes no sense. Also there's one point less that is similar with other 'religions'.
another thing: Zeitgeist said that 3 kings gave gifts to Jesus ..... NOT TRUE - everybody thinks that they were 3, but it's only 3 gifts, I don't know why everyone thinks every man gave him 1 gift (I don't say it couldn't be 3 people but it could be 2 or 5 or whatever). And were they kings? Bible says about some wise men, astrologes or magicians [I'm not certain which of these 3 possibilities is the right one] but surely not kings.

And when he made a christian cross from circle and 2 lines (btw thats the sign of skinheads) I had enough.
And in the start when he named all the 'gods' including Horus, Krishna ..... Jesus .... I checked one of them (sorry I forgot the name but u can check it) ... he cut off his genitals and then turned into almond tree ... well.... n/c

[Sky][RunneR-]

an awesome piece of documentary whos gattering a lot of facts, mystiques revealing all kind of malversations and showing the real side of the world, putting a big accent on the illuminators who rule the world nowdays. it really makes you think deeper than you ever tought and ask yourself how would be the life on the planet in about a hundred years forward now. i personally salute the director of the movie and look forward in future to see more of that kind.

[KeweLi]

I finally got time to DL and watch it, but I stopped after 40mins.
First of all that intro showing the stone tablets of the ten commandments being dropped on a human and sending him to hell is ludicrous. There is always a way to make something normal sound bad or stupid depending on how you say/show it.

The idea about patterns being found in older religions is again exaggerated. So what if the number 2 repeats itself...I remember someone making a thread before about how 9/11 was linked to a variety of other things that had the dateor title 9/11 as well.

This video ruins people's faith in God if they are not sure of things, and it is easy for people to create a video about the flaws and patterns of evolution too.

[sheepXcat_sk]

I don't understand Zeitgeist.... he knows he lies, so why does he do it?! And why so many people believe him? Just a stupid video..

[Sky][RunneR-]

I don't understand Zeitgeist.... he knows he lies, so why does he do it?! And why so many people believe him? Just a stupid video..

i also dont belive in the ''facts'' explored in the pard one, however there're ppl who strongly belive the human kind was created following the biological statement.:dry:

[[GOD]Marko]

Saw the part on youtube about mass media abuse, and its nothing new really, but I'll see the whole movie.
Tell me please if it has something to do with Nibiru? Cause I heard that it has to do something with religion.
Anyway I'll reply my conclusion here after I see it.

[[GOD]Marko]

Can't see edit button :S
Anyway saw the movie and I have no reason not to believe that all in it is 100% truth. In fact it is, an many people knew that long ago. But people of this world are selfish ignorant bastards and you have to live with those. Recommed movie to anyone who uses hes brain for thinking.

[[GOD]Marko]

[RunneR-;759056']i also dont belive in the ''facts'' explored in the pard one, however there're ppl who strongly belive the human kind was created following the biological statement.:dry:

Search on youtube for Nibiru and you'll see an alternate version of how humans were created. Its maybe not 100% true, but has fragments that makes you believe that we were created by "aliens".

[efko.wbs]

I agree with part two. Cause passport of one ,,terrorist,, survived without any damage and steel machines from plane were totaly crushed,....and mby part 3 is true too.
IN part 1 are many facts like about 50 different gods from many countries borned at 24th dec, 3 days before was visible big commet, died, crucified, resurrected after 3 days etc....
but imo its not true......

[[GOD]Marko]

it is true, its all astrology

go youtube Nibiru...