The Serbians - Albanians problem.

[Shakar]

Hi, everybody..
I am a bit inactive at the moment,
but I think I should say a few words about the Serbians - Albanians problem.
To tell you the truth, I don't really know what this is all about.
I usually avoid watching news,
Why would i destroy my day with bad things that are happening in the world?
So much pain and suffering...
But I am skiping the subject here,

I understood that Kosova got independent,
and there are some pepole which are happy about it, and there are some who aren't.
I am not going to try and change any one's mind, but you all must look from both sides of the coin.
Basically, I don't mind that you guys talk about this issue,
but you are taking this to places which I don't like.
you must try and respect every user for being a user, and not from the place he comes from.
you must understand the diffrences...

so, firstly I want to say to the Albanians: Happy Independence day!
and for the serbians: I am sorry that I't didn't turn out in the way you wanted.
I hope that one day you will be united again. (in a good way, that will be best for everyone)

now, since you can't stop offending each others...
creating new threads and replying to ones about this issue, will automatically lead to a ban by me. (and I will look this time)
I won't even look on what you wrote, I will just ban.

you may replay to this thread, no offends please.

I'm espcially warning:
Omgbergrush, Franceska, Extasy, Prime, [God]Marko, YKC, South.Park, T0mmy, Avax, Kazmaer, Goodking, Miaou.

[Bonzy]

I hope that one day you will be united again. (in a good way, that will be best for everyone)


no thx , I am always hostile with immoral people(in slang: scum).

[Shakar]

no thx , I am always hostile with immoral people(in slang: scum).

This is the first user who got banned, anyone else want to call the Albanians Scums?

[pRiMe]

Np,i wont say even a word about that.
But i have one question,why especially warning us when there are users on server who are offending and talking about kosova/serbia all the time and only we got warning : )

[Shakar]

Just a global warning to those who took a big part on this case... not more then that.

[pRiMe]

Ok,understood.

[ribacbacri]

I feel obligated to make some corrections.

You sad "I understood that Kosovo got independent"

Kosovo didn't get independent, but it self-proclaimed independence. There is a difference between those two statements, because one's country can get independence only from her mother state(which Serbia didn't gave) or under special circumstances (which is for example after II world war) , which in this case could be given by Security Council (who is in the moment does not support nor approve independence), which means that this self-proclaim of independence is not legit.

[ribacbacri]

And i also wanted to say that politics shouldn't be mentioned on forum nor server because this is game forum and not some politics, and i like to have fun being here and not discus things like this

[Wenceslas]

Yes, we didn't win independence, we build it.

And the power of the world recognized our independence, that's all.

Just wanted to reply to this guy, won't talk about it no more.

[-__kuRaC..__-]

This is the first user who got banned, anyone else want to call the Albanians Scums?

Yes, please.

I know I will get banned, but I made my point by doing this..
I don't think nobody from curent admins/mods is suited to judge this cases, cuz, pardon me, they don't know s*** about it..

I also know that this isn't a right place to argue, and that all argues lead to flames.. Well... I, as the one who know whats going on Kosovo, can't stand and let Albanians say w/e they want.. Serbian history was written there, Serbs bleed for it..

They have no right in "claiming" it.

Thats all...

Regards.. BB..

EDIT:

@ Wenceslas

U build it ? World recognized your ...... ? ARE YOU LOL DUDE ?

Thrall, I have many aruges about you from past, matter of fact you are the only guy who pisses me off here...

I can't tolerate it all, but not your bull****ing...
U just got this Kosovo as a piece of land, and u will take scraps from USA who got all the goods down there...
For you, place to live.. Piece of OUR land..
For them, another resource source.. Leechers...

USA cares about piece in world ? PLEASE GOD DAMN IT. I think everyone is sick and tired of crappy stories like that one...
Asking me, their policy ****1NG SUX.

I'm not politician to judge them and tell my opinions, I don't pay much atention to news or what so ever..
But one thing that keeps bugging my mind is.. Who the **** they think they are ?
Anyway.. It's completly another topic than this one...

I was out of this discusion for so long, but I can't take it anymore.. So many people posting crap like they know what the are talking about. Get real everyone.

Kosovo seems to be lost, for now.. Leave it like that..
We shall see what future holds for us, and Albania, as our " neighbour ".

I took the burden of my soul, the thing that was bugging me all this time, and I'm out of this topic....

Shakar if u wanna ban me, do it. Your choice... Try not to edit my post, cuz it will lose it's context...

If someone got offended, sorry. Flame me as double as that.. But somethings I just had to say..

Whatever...

[Wenceslas]

The guy's talking about the **** he heard from the orthodox pope, I didn't want to insult anyone on his religion, so if you feel offended you should know it was not my goal.

[-__kuRaC..__-]

Thrall, you know, I know, most of people here know that every post of yours has it's "secret meaning".

Maybe normal user who looks @ it wouldn't give a damn, or some admin how doesn't have a clue what ur talking about.

But I know what ur posts are, and u show to us u can't control ur temper ( by geting about 20 accounts of yours banned ) so don't be a good boy now, please.

It has been like that ever since.. On W3 you were always hodling some image of non-flaming person, and ur whispers were always.. Colorful..

Don't make me remind you of some stuff..

Whatever.. I don't feel insulted by you.. I said u can piss me off, but I won't let myself feel insulted via stupid iNet...

[Brian_Molko]

happy independance day ? albania was independant before if im not mistaken ?
ok let me give u example how ridiculous kosovo independance is.
main reason for albanians to want kosovo independance is cuz they r in biger number then serbs there,not cuz of kosovo history,or anything else (witch is all about serbs).Ok so if wer gonna go that way,why half of the world isnt republic of china ?If im not mistaken they r like 1/5 of world population and thay r all over the world. Kosovo indenpendance will only couse more troubles ... belive that ...serbians r too much proud ppl to give kosovo out without a fight,expecialy when thats part of our culture and history and our heart
This isue is TOO MUCH SENSITIVE to be discused at all . every thread post or anything else related to this issue should be delited . u will say that u will ban everyone who says smth ofensive here ... but by opemning this thread shakar u only made more space for trouble and confilicts,this is gameing server and forum and this is what should we do ... not practise politics


edit:told u whit opening of this thread u will just provoke more bans ...is that what u wont ... pls delite this or close it ... this is going to be a wrong way thread.... i think u should atleast w8 some time to pass before congradulating independance to kosovo ,cuz u know that that will ofend every single serb here. u touched our wound ... the one that is still bleeding

[Ykc]

You can **** off, speaking about the things u said u know nothing about,
then u can **** off "warning" me like im some retarded kid, or i offended anyone.
**** off to inactivity... your nation wages war for so many years still and u say to someone else.

ban me, i wish you to do that.... dont wanna be in this community with kinds of people that are in it now.

im ****ing pissed off at all thing that are ****ing happening, i ****ing want to live my life without anyone putting me in some basket with people which u think are same as me, well to tell you the truth they aren't. everyone has his own opinions and cant be used in globaling ppl by their look-alikes even if they arent alike.

ps. this is for shakar and not for this dude above

[slave]

Shakar u are pretty much the LAST person in this forum that is supposed to talk about this stuff you said above, since your country Israel is in a constant war with Palestina for Gaza or however its written that piece of country you are decades fighting for, so thats basically a prostitute fuc*ing for virginity , if you get me.You also understand the situation on the balkan , but you prefer being a saint here, and im scared of even thinking what kind of thoughts surround your mind at the moment.
The thing is , that serbians have right for not agreeing to this independance (ONESIDED) by kosova. kosova is a serbian territory , we should all accept this fact, which was taken over by the albanian fanatism , if i am allowed to express myself like that, you dont know what its like in the albanian homes, especially the ones living kosova/western macedonia. the mother in a family isnt a mother who takes care of the family, she just gets pumped up and ****loads of new children , 10-15 children, all of them uneducated, so whats it gonna be, AK-47 and fight for the holy land. Thats why the albanian population raises rapidly, difference between natality/mortality is 30 promils , on every 1000 albanian citizen , 30 new are born more the next year. thats terrifying, it affects the balkans like virus.
I respect Ykc and his country, and i stand in his defence. People should fight for what is theirs. Serbians announced protests and incidents , and here they are, about a million pepole today protesting in Belgrade, US embassy is on fire. I hate some quazi-heroes that just hide behind forums and try to sound wise in front of computers. The reality is out there. Go and have a look.
My country on the other hand is pretty much the PION o US, NATO, EU and stuff. Whether we recieve some orders from the west , our stupid politicians accept, make conspiracies and stuff, therefore my country is in danger of changing its name just to get into EU. Dont know how many of you have heard of Lube Boskovksi, or brat Ljube as we insist on calling it.
He will be back from Hague. Than everything will change...

[fatman69]

I feel obligated to make some corrections.

You sad "I understood that Kosovo got independent"

Kosovo didn't get independent, but it self-proclaimed independence. There is a difference between those two statements, because one's country can get independence only from her mother state(which Serbia didn't gave) or under special cumstances (which is for example after II world war) , which in this case could be given by Security Council (who is in the moment does not support nor approve independence), which means that this self-proclaim of independence is not legit.


well did you country aprove of Croatia's independence in 91'? and yet it still was a country and a nation so if their "mother country" doesn't give them aproval it means squat. with country like serbia it's either fight for freedom or stay in chains like many times before in history...

[OMGBergrush]

To tell you the truth, I don't really know what this is all about.
it about illegal land theft committed against serbia. basically eu and usa broke the law and used force to create a false state on our soil a state that will not be recognized.

I understood that Kosova got independent,
and there are some pepole which are happy about it, and there are some who aren't.
1st of all its not kosova and it never was kosova it was is and always will be kosovo
2nd happy are those who violated international law and utilized force for their own gains not happy are those who were deceived and bullied but still havent renounced their rightful land

you must understand the diffrences...
the differences are clear and easily recognizable. for instance one side breaks the law while the other defends it. the choice which side is in the right is more than obvious.

firstly I want to say to the Albanians: Happy Independence day!
this is where all our further contacts end. by siding with enemies of my people with those who illegally occupy a part of my nation and who wish harm and destruction to my country and people you have become my enemy and the enemy of serbia as a whole. i assume you support usa blindly because they are your major ally you would do well to see what it is that they are doing now and what consequences it has for the whole world. lets just say that when the time for retribution comes i will be ready...will you?

[Brian_Molko]

sry for post i made a mistake

[Smurf]

Listen up.
Some things should be clearer to you.
1.Shakar has all the rights to talk about that on this forum,even forbid it's own approach from discussing it.
Wanna know why ?
Well,you should already know it,since it seems like you're here from alot of time and it pisses me off that a guy who's here from 2004 can state such things.
I though,in 4 years,you realised what admins,especially Shakar have done for this place.You should respect that,at least.
Him being israelian doesn't have any importance whatsoever,since he's not speaking from Israel's political,military or social point of view,and not he's country is to be talked about here,he has the right to do it just because he's an admin.
Supreme admin,actually.
Israel bears that war from some time..and it hasn't provoked so many fights as this newly pronounce independence of Kosovo/Kosova or how ever you may wanna call it.
Just by saying that someone who was born in another country has nothing to do with it and should keep his mouth shout ( which is pretty rofl from you to say ) describes you as a self-centered,selfish person.
Now...why am i saying that ?
I saw your attitude as being repugnant towards Shakar,and that can be noticed by the very first words you wrote in your post.
The thing you didn't got about this forum...it's a forum dedicated to warcraft3,which is basically a virtual,pc game.
Yes,that's right...a game.Not related to independence war,not to fights between serbians and albanians,not between Serbia and Kosovo.
We don't know if serbians agree with that newly proclamed independence or not,nor if albanians did those things you're all talking about..wanna know why ?
Cause we are not living there,we are not directly involved into that issue,we don't see it as serbians or albanians see it,we don't have their religious,financial or social status in that territory...but the thing we,as a crew of this member,have vowed to take good care of this server.
We have to take care of every major issue that may conflict with 2 types of users that will probably start flaming each other because of this thing.
Then we have to take a stand,cause we are taking care of this virtual community,not for serbians,not for romanians,not for israelians asside,but for all of them,impartially.
That's all we are doing ..and the simple fact that a user who has been here for more then 4 years doesn't know it end sounds pretty tragic,and can be even considered as a dark comedy episode.
We don't know and some of us probably don't wanna involve in something they have no idea about an albanian mother,only sticking up on home and ' pumping ' childrens.
But,as long as you guys are flaming each other on this forum and on server,we have to take some measures to stop it,since it will lead to a major incident.
Wanna know why ?
Let's figure this out...on server,50 serbians talking about kosovo and the whole issue..then comes that 50 albanians group and they start saying 'this is our country' bla bla,etc.
Then 100 serbian's friends join the conversation...after some time another 100 players join the 'little' chat,them being on albanians side.
Now we got ourselves 300 users flaming each other,spamming whatever channel or thread on forum,and then we get 1000 requests from users to ban those guys,cause they flamed.
Maybe none of them are serbians nor albanians,but they don't have to watch your show on the forum they are all allowed to enjoy,just because you guys decided to argue about it here.
And that whole thing can be easily stopped by 'banning' this conversation,both on forum and server,for preventing this sort of things from happening.
Just because Shakar or any other crew member hasn't given you so many reasons for our way to deal with it doesn't means we're wrong about it.
Although some of you got this wrong idea...and,as you can see,you clearly miss understood some things around here.
Also...about the reality thing...wtf do we have to do with that ?
Do you really think moderators/admins will go to war,to protect serbians/albanians.
That's not our job,we can't protect you in real life,we only have to do it on this forum/server,we have to stop some of you from harming the community,we can't help you on dark streets nor stop albanians from reproducing,but we can prevent incidents related to that subject.
I think you should reconsider what you said.

[sunnis]

as much as I know:

Russia is not recognizing them
Spain is not recognizing them
Romania, Serbia, Cyprus, ...

they have only about 70 maybe even less countries recognizing them, so they are not independent country yet

if they become a country (and I am sure Serbia won't give up on it) we might talk about that matter, since then, they mean nothing to me.

[Shakar]

this is where all our further contacts end. by siding with enemies of my people with those who illegally occupy a part of my nation and who wish harm and destruction to my country and people you have become my enemy and the enemy of serbia as a whole. i assume you support usa blindly because they are your major ally you would do well to see what it is that they are doing now and what consequences it has for the whole world. lets just say that when the time for retribution comes i will be ready...will you?

I support no one.

thread closed.