Just an explanation

[Tito]

About this (http://eurobattle.net/showthread.php?t=65827)

Well, the request and the replay was made after 30 beers : )

In fact, I've never wanted to join SS, with the simple reason I don't have time for this game and mostly when I play it I play it to relax myself and I don't bother with those stuff ( last hit, deny and item build ).

Berg.. So, in your opinion, basi ring was bad chose for start, on a hero who has 1 armor and 240 mana, alright, no problem.

I haven't watched the replay and I don't itend to, but since you say I've made hood for second item, that means I haven't went to base to 12-13 lvl. Same counts about the heart, because I would probably go some bracers or boots of speed. But you said radiance.. I think I was in team with venomancer and viper, who are damage dealers, so, you as SS moderator, a respected dota play, you say its better to go radiance and being a damage dealer and not making heart and being a tank? Alright, np.

About not using the second skill. Well, as far you were able to see, I was on a side with leshar and crix. I believe its better to take the skill that provides you magic resistance better then the skill that costs you hp.

No hard feelings :tiphat:

[Bonzy]

Tito , about the taking resistance spell on pudge before buying hood... NO. why? because hood and that spell only stack if you get hood before even taking lvl 1 f that spell. So your hood basicly did not give even 1% of those 35% magic resistance. I agree about radiance sucking on pudge , it's the best to go smth like hood , 3 bracers , bottle , travels...

[[max_serbia]]

Tito , about the taking resistance spell on pudge before buying hood... NO. why? because hood and that spell only stack if you get hood before even taking lvl 1 f that spell. So your hood basicly did not give even 1% of those 35% magic resistance. I agree about radiance sucking on pudge , it's the best to go smth like hood , 3 bracers , bottle , travels...

no.. this was until 6.47
now in 6.48 u can make hood whenever u want and put skill whenever you want and they will both work..
and 2 hoods or 1 hood + cloak dont stack.
..

[LifeDrainer[RO]]

Actually both of you are wrong
1)in the latset version of map the hood and magic resistance skills are stacking,and the order doesent matter anymore.
2)@tito...you are not seeing the problem from the right point of view.Berg didnt told you to build radiance and became dmg dealer cuz simply with pudge you cant become such a hero...even if you have +500 dmg!But try to think a little:what can you do with 100dmg/s from rot and 35dmg/s from radiance?
a)you can farm tons of creeps/neutrals in a matter of seconds,gain important amount of fleshstr and money
b)'disolve' most of agi/int heroes with no big problems...hook+135dmg/s + ulti + a few seconds chase and he is dead!that is the use of radiance mostly...not that +60 dmg
And yes,basilus is not so great for pudge if you play with decent players ofc,cuz in pubs you can start with any items and sill pwn naps(i man lmao i won with aganim/travel and refresher orb on custom game with pudge....but this doesent mean that these items are good).But in a decent game and one or two agressive enemyes in few minutes you are back at pool if you pick basil ring.Ring or Reg and 2 trees/few branches/1clarity(it depends a little of what enemy you will face on lane)is way much better!And as skill build hook+rot is simply the best choice in 99% of chases!with +2 hp reg/sec you can harass enough your enemy with rot,and at a specific moment hook+rot+ulti =>dead(and dont forget that rot gives 20% slow,and if you dont pick rot even if you can hook a hero you cant kill him cuz he will escape...cuz pudge is slow).Even if you faced leshrac and crix...you think that few percents resistance could save your ass?better stay back and gain xp and at lvl 6/7 you can easely own one of that heroes and then go hunt on map if you pick first 2 skills....without rot is not so easy to harm some1.
LE:the problem of mana is solved with bottle,an good item for pudge!
EDIT2:even if you build heart...lmao you cant be a proper tank even with HoT and important amounts of str you gain by farming and farming a lot of creeps

[Tito]

Have you watched the rep?

I had at least 4k hp : )
you can farm tons of creeps/neutrals in a matter of seconds,gain important amount of fleshstr and money
I didn't have problems with farming even only with rot, but why the .... you believe there is only one useful build for the pudge? I said I didn't went home before I bought reaver, I had some extra money and I invested in something big, not bracers or boots..
'disolve' most of agi/int heroes with no big problems...hook+135dmg/s + ulti + a few seconds chase and he is dead!that is the use of radiance mostly...not that +60 dmg
Yah, but what would have happened if void and crix used ulti and I stucked in the middle of it, my radiance/rot would be really useful back there...
And yes,basilus is not so great for pudge if you play with decent players ofc,cuz in pubs you can start with any items and sill pwn naps(i man lmao i won with aganim/travel and refresher orb on custom game with pudge....but this doesent mean that these items are good).But in a decent game and one or two agressive enemyes in few minutes you are back at pool if you pick basil ring.
With 2 trees I can handle to ring of health on a side, its proved many times.
And as skill build hook+rot is simply the best choice in 99% of chases!with +2 hp reg/sec you can harass enough your enemy with rot,and at a specific moment hook+rot+ulti =>dead(and dont forget that rot gives 20% slow,and if you dont pick rot even if you can hook a hero you cant kill him cuz he will escape...cuz pudge is slow).
Yah, go on a side with Leshar and crix, use rot and start harrasing them. You know what happens next, right? Crix burrows you, leshar use stun and then lighting, if u manage to escape you will be on 100 hp and I bet you will need a hell of a long time to regenerate up.
LE:the problem of mana is solved with bottle,an good item for pudge!
So, you say its better to spend 700 gold for a bottle then 500 gold for a ring who also gives and armor to allied heroes? Alright.
EDIT2:even if you build heart...lmao you cant be a proper tank even with HoT and important amounts of str you gain by farming and farming a lot of creeps
Pudge can't be a proper tank with HoT when everyone else has 700 hp? Okey, np.

Peace~~

[LifeDrainer[RO]]

Its obvious that you are not getting the point here

1)not only hp is important for a hero to be a tank
2)that thing with ror and harass is in general chases.for your particular chase i said that you must stay chilled and earn levels then pwn one of them...not stupid rambo moves
3)its clear that bottle is way much better for pudge than basil!why?cuz if fills up both hp/mana(when you kill some1 or at least try you will waste mana but also some hp,and basil doesent fix last issue)!and hook + ulti waste at least 240 mana which basil refils in a lot of time and in that time you cant do nothing,while with bottle you can be full hp/man with 2 charges in a matter of secodns and kill another enemy hero then go find a rune and you got your bottle 2/3 filled up again

[Tito]

1)not only hp is important for a hero to be a tank
Even when you match 3 int heroes? But okey, I agree about that too. That's why I made basi ring who provides me +3 armor : )
2)that thing with ror and harass is in general chases.for your particular chase i said that you must stay chilled and earn levels then pwn one of them...not stupid rambo moves
Yah, indeed. Just stay behind and last hit/deny, but shall it be more useful with rot, or without it?
3)its clear that bottle is way much better for pudge than basil!why?cuz if fills up both hp/mana(when you kill some1 or at least try to waste mana but also some hp,and basil doesent fix last issue)!and hook + ulti waste at least 240 mana which basil refils in a lot of time and in that time you cant do nothing,while with bottle you can be full hp/man with 2 charges in a matter of secodns and kill another enemy hero then go find a rune and you got your bottle 2/3 filled up again
Yah, I am aware of bottle's adavantages, BUT as you mentioned it fills up 100 mana and 200 hp. Mana is useful, but 200 hp means nothing to a pudge with 2k hp, am I right?

[BlackLagoon]

whats all the fuss about?denied thats all..

[Ogi.]

it isn`t about 'denied or approved' now , as far as i see..
he is just trying to justify hes item and skill build that game , which berg found wrong. Maybe he wasn`t going for the best one , but imo that werent the points he could get denied for.
However , as we all know that berg is almighty non-mistake-able overpowered human [ :) ] , i doubt he would change his mind.
P.S. Don`t take last words as asslicking , cause i was just saying what we all know ;]

[D3c3bal]

P.S. Don`t take last words as asslicking , cause i was just saying what we all know ;]

nop, it's asslicking

[EscapeTheFate]

The thing we are trying to say its - with this build -> basilius as first item u will get owned vs Pros. U need hp regen and a lot. This is not something we read or heard about its something we learned from playing, and i mean a lot of playing. And bottle always is a life saver, sometimes when ur on 150 hp , u need just one heal from bottle so u can take the 300 dmg nuke which is comming for ur sorry ass, i cant count the times ive saved myself like that and yet u are trying to explain how much basil owns. :blink:

[Tito]

In fact, you can't understand I thing I am saying..

There is no ONLY one proper build for a hero and you as a dota player should know that.

One more thing, have you seen me playing? How can you know I will be owned by PROS( at xpam? gimme a break :) )
The thing we are trying to say its - with this build -> basilius as first item u will get owned vs Pros. U need hp regen and a lot. This is not something we read or heard about its something we learned from playing, and i mean a lot of playing. And bottle always is a life saver, sometimes when ur on 150 hp , u need just one heal from bottle so u can take the 300 dmg nuke which is comming for ur sorry ass, i cant count the times ive saved myself like that and yet u are trying to explain how much basil owns.

[BlackLagoon]

yeah bulids are based on synergy of ur heroes/enemy heroes and ur skills..so there is no one imba build,but in every game there is only 1 way to build ur hero to be max efficent...anyway if som1 is denied isnt that the end of it?i mean the rule about denied by mods ?Oo

[Ogi.]

Ogi doesnt like the fact that there are many ss players who suddenly became so pro , and know all about dota-gaming and can give lessons to other mortals and noobs...

[Tito]

anyway if som1 is denied isnt that the end of it?i mean the rule about denied by mods ?Oo

In fact, I've never wanted to join SS, with the simple reason I don't have time for this game and mostly when I play it I play it to relax myself and I don't bother with those stuff ( last hit, deny and item build ).
You really should learn to listen what do the others say.

Anyway, someone define me the word PRO, please. Pro is someone who item builds according to a guide he've read and learned ?

Laguna, dude, trust me, I have match real pros and you, or noone on this server is not even close to them and with this way of thinking, I doubt you will ever be.