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Terrorboy
10-26-2004, 17:57
I wanna you people to discuss here about best combos you can use in team games. Pls write here about the best , most funny or unusal strategies or give replays of them! Especially 2v2 is indicated! And pls vote here about your favorite team:)
Demonhide_PT
10-26-2004, 18:21
Defenitly, Orc + Human---> Slow + Bloodlust, Rifleman + grunts, Gryphons + taurens, etc... a bit weak vs Und, because of Destroyers
Or
Orc + Orc ---> Bloodlust + healing ward, Tauren + wind riders, etc...
these combos really rock
Demonhide_PT
10-26-2004, 18:22
btw, we cant share secrets ;) or they wil be secrets no more
Terrorboy
10-26-2004, 19:20
Demonhide_PT napisał(a)
Orc + Human---> Slow + Bloodlust, Rifleman + grunts, Gryphons + taurens, etc... a bit weak vs Und, because of Destroyers
these combos really rock I think similar:) Maybe its better then 2 orcs or 2 humans etc. becoz you can mix units. Ud destro maybe should be beaten by orcs becoz esnare and trolls betrideyrs. Humans are little weak vs them:( (they are again too strong in new patch, how human could beat them- with rifle?its hard). About strategies u use them when u play, so another people can watch replay and see them:)
Here is little funny game with really mass mortars. Ussually orcs harras humans at begining, this replay is another:) Look how sneaky humans fight versus savage orcs:
kotg + arch + talon/dryad
+
farseer + grunts + sham/walker + taurens
=
pure imba strat xD
Demonhide_PT
10-26-2004, 19:33
ensnare, i forgot about them:D , btw, sorry terror, i cant dl your replay, because:
http://eurobattle.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6572
sum one help me plz:rolleyes:
Terrorboy
10-26-2004, 19:42
Demonhide_PT napisał(a)
ensnare, i forgot about them:D , btw, sorry terror, i cant dl your replay, because:
http://eurobattle.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6572
sum one help me plz:rolleyes: hmmmm....strange. I dunno what is it. Fix problem fast and back on xpam my friend;)
orc/ne, mass hunts potm aura TC stomp hh and its gg
Terrorboy
10-28-2004, 00:11
I like human/orc team becoz endurance/brillance aura, mass WE, wolves and grunts/rifles best tier1 melee + best tier 1 range.....in later game also lots of benefits, as demonidhe wrote before:)
iLLuSiON
10-28-2004, 16:15
i voted Hum/Orc this and orc/ne are best AT teams
UD/UD mass ghuls can fast rush
Demonhide_PT
10-28-2004, 16:25
u only win with that strat if your opponent is noob, if he knows how to defend well, u dont win for sure...:rolleyes:
iLLuSiON
10-28-2004, 16:28
yea but u see gosu ud ??
if i find replay i add here
2x ud (ghuls) vs orc/hum
Terrorboy
10-28-2004, 16:34
I think mass frenzy ghouls with double aura could be very powerfull, but if opponent scout them, he can counter it...
iLLuSiON
10-28-2004, 16:36
Slow + Bloodlust, Rifleman + grunts and gg :)
Terrorboy u likes humans ??
Terrorboy
10-28-2004, 16:38
I like humans and orcs, but I cant play with orcs becoz I have fatal error on them:( so I play only with humans....
iLLuSiON
10-28-2004, 16:42
do u remember AT with me ? 2x Hum and mass rifle and sorc :)
Demonhide_PT
10-28-2004, 17:33
Originally posted by Terrorboy
I think mass frenzy ghouls with double aura could be very powerfull, but if opponent scout them, he can counter it...
yes, u are right, but mass ghouls are only good because they are in enormous numbers!
Ghouls are extremely low Hp, even with frenzy and aura, Taurens with pulverize and and gryphons with storm hammers, oh man... 3-4 taurens with pulverize and 3-4 gryphons can Easly win 20 ghouls or even more!
Terrorboy
10-28-2004, 17:43
iLLuSiON napisał(a)
do u remember AT with me ? 2x Hum and mass rifle and sorc :) I like 2 humans with 2 bloodmages and invisible mortars, it crazy man^^
iLLuSiON
10-28-2004, 18:34
bloodmages are good if u got micro.;)
Originally posted by Terrorboy
I like humans and orcs, but I cant play with orcs becoz I have fatal error on them:( so I play only with humans....
turn music off and try to play orc - it can help
Terrorboy
10-29-2004, 00:39
I know it Rufus...but playing without sound is 50% less fun for me:(
Demonhide_PT
10-29-2004, 23:12
yeah, sound is one of the best things warcraft has, and this is from the beggining, Warcraft 2 had a GREAT sounds, and so do warcraft 3, and that sense of humour, when u click more than 3 times in a unit:D
iLLuSiON
10-30-2004, 09:43
heh 3 cliks on grunt in war2 :)
lol pig cry :)
Who_Am_I
10-30-2004, 14:49
The most imba currently in my opinion is 2 humans. One of them is going Mk 1st and archmage 2nd while other one is going Bloodmage first with MK 2nd. With banish and 2 bolts your heroes are so dead. And withoud heroes you are ****ed up mainly coz MK can own entire ground with his clap, since there are 2 of them it's a GG :D
orc+night elf is the best team 4sure..Elf mass a few hunts and too much archers+dyrads+some talons..Orc tech..gG
TR_black_eagle
10-30-2004, 15:22
amcuk server a baglanabiliyor musun?
Demonhide_PT
10-30-2004, 20:15
Originally posted by AmCuK
orc+night elf is the best team 4sure..Elf mass a few hunts and too much archers+dyrads+some talons..Orc tech..gG
heh, wrong...
grunts = grunts
rifleman>>hunteress
best team is human and orc this is so imba all game build fe and orc go fast tauren and dock human mass tier 1
and gg ^_^
Terrorboy
11-01-2004, 16:16
Who_Am_I napisał(a)
The most imba currently in my opinion is 2 humans. One of them is going Mk 1st and archmage 2nd while other one is going Bloodmage first with MK 2nd. With banish and 2 bolts your heroes are so dead. And withoud heroes you are ****ed up mainly coz MK can own entire ground with his clap, since there are 2 of them it's a GG :D I think its theorycraft....banish works very short on heroes, so is espiecially hard to beat 2 bolts immiadtiatly in team games....me and my friend used to AM+naga (or MK) and MK + pall, it works fine.....but we did it in 1.16, I didnt try 2 humans in 1.17....its good combo, becoz its easy achieved mass teleports and avatar- 2 powerfull ultimates....high archmage give near infinitive mana, palladyn heals them both....check it and u will see.
asisupposed, best 2 combos are HU + orc and NE + orc. orc is simply good suporting race. grunts are simply excellent especially in the start of the game. AM+FS combo is excellent combo, and also human is actually excellent in 2v2 team games. what i like in team games is that orc isnt so good against human fast gryph tech. so human can reach gryphs and orc is generally in big problem. its team game, and massing same units can pass much better than in solo (and gryphon massing is excellent:D).
other excellent strat = elf +orc. well, all people know that orc is for standup fight, and elf is for hit and run. grunts protect high damage units, one of strongest things about night elf.
2 human players arent so good.
big team games = elf heroes own u with ultimates and invuln potion. GG.
Demonhide_PT
11-02-2004, 19:06
dont tell me that mass gryphs is a good strat vs Raiders (wolf and wind) and catapults or bloodlust
gryphs in the ground are **** =\
Terrorboy
11-02-2004, 19:55
hmmm 950 life, 50 damage x 2 and only 4 food.....they arent ****:) trust me man its the best what human have vs orcs. if orc dont detects gryphins army, its GG man:)
MaN-O-WaR
11-02-2004, 21:04
HUM + ORC r imba in AT - the have the best combozz coz:
slow, dispell (sometimes its very important), bloodlust + inner fire combo rox, statis traps (good against enemy piercing units).
- magic turned off (breakers + priests)
one of the best rush (foots + grunts with AM + FS hero combo)
Aa and in the end Taurens + max upgraded rifles + gryphton
Beside Orc + HUM has great air combo: dragonhawk + wind raiders + gryphton (especially good against 2 x Orc)
Demonhide_PT
11-03-2004, 16:21
yes, if he doesnt detect your gryphon army, its gg... but hardly another tatik is used against orcs, cuz slow doesnt work if the other guy has bloodlust, and rifles/sorcerers are owned by tauren chieftain, even knights are owned by taurens
Terrorboy
11-03-2004, 18:06
Demonhide_PT napisał(a)
even knights are owned by taurens knights sucks a little, like all human melee:)
Demonhide_PT
11-03-2004, 21:17
i think that taurens are the best melee in the game, they are better than knights/abos/giants, and with pulverize they rock even more
yes taurens are the best melee I think, special when they are supported by shamans with bloodoust... but knights alaways sould be supported by priests, ALWAYS. Not attack dmg, not hp, but armor is primary atribute they got the hardest armor in the game, so inner fire +5 arm. and healing make them harder to beat...but Its enouth to beat taurens ? Dunno, but when spellbreakers steal bloodoust there we will be have bloodousted, inner fired kinights :D huh paldin`s aura make them happy to ;-). Ah theri + is that they are the fastest, hard armored melee, ground, tier`s 3 units =)
Demonhide_PT
11-04-2004, 16:50
taurens with pulverize and bloodlust owns anything that walks in ground head-to-head (except some heros...)
...this what you think, you wroted over my post...now you just only repeat...maybe somthing new and fresh ?
Demonhide_PT
11-06-2004, 18:46
????
i dont understand what the hell are u trying to tell, maybe some subtitles will help, if someone can understand him, translate and post:rolleyes:
brain-o-man
11-10-2004, 14:53
Originally posted by Demonhide_PT
dont tell me that mass gryphs is a good strat vs Raiders (wolf and wind) and catapults or bloodlust
gryphs in the ground are **** =\
LOL try playin with orcks .............
Demonhide_PT
11-10-2004, 16:32
i do...;)
Terrorboy
11-10-2004, 18:13
Gryphins owns yoU! just take fu***n flying army and destroy the shop!! and he cant build this bum-bum trolls betriders any more:)
surprise enemy by gryphosn, and he is so owned. kill his burrows fast then. and orc is simply owned. yet orc >> human and UD in this patch totally. undead is weakest race. heh, i remember UD was so ****ing **** with destos in 1.16. in this patch it isnt so ****ed, no matter u can get owned by units which should lose that matchup. anyway, UD gets owned against orc totally. owned by wind riders, yeah its crap, now u can see how stupid is to be owned against units which should be countered by what u built.... if someone doesnt know, destos were ignoring armor+ giving full splash damage (like spell damage, but yet it was dealing 2x dmg to heavy:mad: ). so u could own 10 rifles by 4 destos, and we all know how UD heroes with uncapped AOE rape human army. afterall, all UD units are crappy mostly. but some of them are hardly rigged. and heroes are able to counter whole armies by themself only (????).
brain-o-man
11-11-2004, 17:50
its not that easy 2 own human with orc,he can do tech on gryfs and kill burows,or just do rilfe caster whic is hard 4 orc 2,adn yeah destos were abuse in the past,adn they are a bit now 2
well most of ud OWN me hard,realy terrible stats vs ud,i ma downloading replays now,tt so nooby i am vs ud..
just requeres difernt play style...
what ? hum owns orc with rifles and casters ? Hmmm I was always hum player and when I played against nooby orc I can use this strategy. But when I played against semi-good and good orc He always push me hardly on start. When dont kill me in tier one, and I had rifles and caster...demolishers easly masacre my csaters 3 shots and I saw flying meat. Its so easy kill hum army for orc, if it is ground army.
Terrorboy
11-11-2004, 19:03
u can do it, just 2 barracks mass rifle and few casters not mass!! and imba MK kill farseer fast.....but gryphins rox:)
yeah sure, human rifles are so imba against orc. hey, is that the reason because of which orc players like orc vs HU matchup? :mad: oh yeah, orc hates gryphons, maybe remove them from the game also, to secure not getting them even if orc is noob?
i ll tell u, human can beat orc by that strat ONLY if they get A LOT rifles (6 or more rifles) to have effective focus and getting MK on higher level (level 3). but he can own even in such situation by excellent micro also and having casters upgraded to dispell speed scrol and lighhting shield. what orc needs? grunts+ shamans to cast spells+ catas and Fs + TC ****ing AOE spells which end battle before it evne started. yet, u CANT get it, listen what grubby said "i jsut watch if human goes single hero, it measn gryphons very possible, so i push with catas. if i see MK and trying mass rifles, i build grunts and just rush." thats great plan yeah. i m not talking about his micro, because he is good, but maybe u should ask yourself why do human players obviously require MUCH better control thna orc in matchup? any story about gryphon tech are stupid in most of cases. why? because u just have to see few replays, human can hardly defend vs orc even with tower defence , and militia is mostly just xp bounty for orc Fs chain + chieftain spell (shockwave or stomp whatever). and gryphons arent easy to get like bears or dryards, coz elf upgrades base and just upgrades druids to master train, i have to build gryphs on tier3. looong time to get.
orc is definitly much less micro adictive than ANY other race in ALL matchups general. and yet orc can easily OWN all human has except gryphons by grunts max speed move+ TC + FS + catas and few shamans to **** your hero up with purging if they wanna get him down. orc rigged. why the hell, i dont build sorcs vs orc bacause of slowing atack, but slowing their speed to be able to beat them. and speed scrol is OBVIOSLY NOT RETREAT ITEM like blizzard like to say. its 99.9% offence item.
Terrorboy
11-12-2004, 19:14
pls write more becoz I dont understand;)
TheDarkWarlock
11-13-2004, 03:50
dont fotrget that this is only at strategies
u talk about 1v1
in at u need less think & more built :) mass mass mass
D3V1ouSljenni
11-13-2004, 21:44
IT was proved in all last tourney that orc+ne is the best combo,blizzard also said that games is not balanced 2v2 only 1v1...so discussion about best combo is stupid...hmm..i still think that 2 ud with good single harass can beat or+ne but....stil hard to do..so talk about strats not combos...hey sakky noone reads those novels of yours!!!
true. and they also unoficially said all races have imbalances to be answer to other race imbalances. compare orc vs HU and u ll get whats the problem. all orc imbalances are simply made against human, most of human imbalances are hard to get vs orc in solo (gryph, massing rifles+ mk lvl2 focus), or are totally useless in general, u cant do fast exp like vs computer normal, insane whatever. u cant get massed 10 rifles + MK lvl 2 w/o smart orc coming to kill u. and belive me, speed scrol ****s up all stories about outmicroing. especially because u cant get dispell so fast for need of getting as much unts and at lest few priests and sorcs before upgrading. only noob orc players are upgrading shamans to master and then starting building them. yet they still are able to win by being so noob (actually not noob, most of them know u cant rush them, so they can do it like that also).
and orc is best supporting race in 2v2. human is very strong in 2v2 etc etc. real imbalance in 2v2 is getting noob ally, or teamkiller. then try to outmicro that. and face your worse nightmare, player who dont build hero, but asks u from? really? where? how? GG
Species_8472
11-14-2004, 02:07
i voted for hu-ne :)
the best team in the world:
Species_8472
11-14-2004, 02:09
and this 1 shows the imba fiends+dk:mad: :mad:
didnt read the above posts so wont reply, just know that the best 2v2 strat is mass tier 1 + (2x goblin tinkers). The game ends in about 6 minutes (tested and from the first time me and my friend made 5-3 in the tourney... more polishing and it would have been 8-0 :D)
Demonhide_PT
11-18-2004, 22:33
take a look at that tatik here!
it roxx, and it is darn funny=PP
http://eurobattle.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7124
EGV_Undead
11-23-2004, 22:35
When u play 2c2 dont think in the magical habilities you think "oh a rifleman with blood rlz!" or "A ghoul with blod rlz" or many many combinationsc, but, ALL the races hve a spell breakers, druid, destroyer, the revive tauren etc... So dont concentrate in the magical habilites, better in aura, spiders with aura of range, hmmm and ghoul with spikes and vamipir, omfg! so my best team is ne + ud of course heros: princes and keeper + Dl and (Now you can choise, dk, lich, cl, anyway you go to win ;)) eheheh, and remeber the technice is important, but, more importat is the skill ;) gl, hf!
Terrorboy
11-23-2004, 23:25
bah..... every1 know auras rox in team games:) Gryphs + trueshot aura rox:D
Demonhide_PT
11-23-2004, 23:43
hunteress + Fiends + aura trueshot roxx...
brain-o-man
11-24-2004, 16:22
sure 1 od the most simplest working strats is ne+orc,tc+potm -with auras and mass hunts and headhunters
if game gets long switch 2 chims and taurens :>
Originally posted by brain-o-man
sure 1 od the most simplest working strats is ne+orc,tc+potm -with auras and mass hunts and headhunters
if game gets long switch 2 chims and taurens :> that was what i said in the begining of the thread
ORC + UNDEAD **** ALL RACES n/c
ORC: grunts, taurens + shamans (bloodlust) or taurens + shamans + doctors (statistrap + healing wards)
UNDEAD: mass fiends + obstedian statue (later destroyers)
NOONE CAN BEAT (if u have not best, but good micro) THEM.
Originally posted by Kese
ORC + UNDEAD **** ALL RACES n/c
ORC: grunts, taurens + shamans (bloodlust) or taurens + shamans + doctors (statistrap + healing wards)
UNDEAD: mass fiends + obstedian statue (later destroyers)
NOONE CAN BEAT (if u have not best, but good micro) THEM. nope
Demonhide_PT
11-25-2004, 17:48
t_t hum just go to mortars + rilfeman & priest with paladin and orc go the same but with doctors
Originally posted by Arie-
nope
yes
Terrorboy
11-25-2004, 19:44
IMO UD is worts support race.....only with second UD it can be done:)
Originally posted by Kese
yes you're wrong again :D
Demonhide_PT
11-25-2004, 22:27
and human is the best supporting race, thats why human + orc rox, becoz orcs are for melee and humans are for making even longer life for orcs
try stop this tatik: orc --> tauren + spirit tauren + doctor
hum--> rifleman + priest + sorceress
omg.... taurens with priests healing + inner fire/ healing ward + RESSURECTION!!!
omfg...
if not playing vs undead, you can also add bloodlust and etc... making the tatik even more imba
:p
Originally posted by Arie-
you're wrong again :D
NO :p :p :p
Demonhide_PT
11-26-2004, 16:29
this discussion of ( no/yes/you'r wrong/no) looks like flood, state your opinions, specially u arie-
Originally posted by Terrorboy
IMO UD is worts support race.....only with second UD it can be done:)
aura + all races (vampiric, unholy)
statues
very good tankers on front
Originally posted by Demonhide_PT
this discussion of ( no/yes/you'r wrong/no) looks like flood, state your opinions, specially u arie- k
btw, if you read the thread, you can see that im not just talking nonsence.
Sry for the double post, but thats my 500th one :)
Terrorboy
11-26-2004, 17:27
Rufus napisał(a)
aura + all races (vampiric, unholy)
statues
very good tankers on front maybe, but still my favorite is brillance+endurance auras, excellent for supports army, heroes and wizards
Demonhide_PT
11-26-2004, 22:02
DK + his aura (unholly) + [ancient janggo of endurance (endurance aura)] + boots of speed = Turbo DK:D :p
he cant exceed speed more than 400. orc is certainly best supporting race. yet there are massing stuff which can surprise enemy sometimes. generally orc and human are strong combo.
btw if anyone played large team games like 3v3 or 4v4, then u know how it goes,it goes 2 blademasters + MK to stun (in 3v3). belive me u wont escape from nuke.
Terrorboy
11-30-2004, 18:02
probably 4 Blademasters is the worst what can happened to you....:(
2x2 AT - 2 UD + Mass Ghoul
3x3 AT - 1 OR + 2 ELF = The 1 elf make master talons and faery flares, and the other elf makes master bears + dryades (abolish magic);
The orc make shamans + tauren + grunt = everything like a normal game..
btw, need good harras for 3x3!
Sky][RunneR-
12-18-2004, 19:48
well i vote for ORC+UD.
me and hypno played many games and works good :)
btw. ORC+NE are good too!
I'll just point out some combinations that I find well working in this game:
-Giants and docs (with archs talons, grunts and demos) in Ne&Orc team works so nicely. U always have extreme hp regenerated MGs in front of u. Very hard to counter.
-Mass spider in 2 Uds team, one of the hardest strategies in this game to counter. One ud starts with Cl with beetles, the other gets a supporter dk. Cl one techs for statues and burrow, gets a lich 2nd, stays in tier 2 and keeps massing, Dk one continues in tier1 and hits a late tier2. Once reaches, he gets a lich too. Both uses blight all over the map, later adds statues to their army. Very hard to counter if u dont have some AOE style heroes..
-2 Orcs, both starts with far seer, keeps pushing enemies, hits a quick tier2, both gets naga as 2nd. One continues his tiering to reach master shamans, the other one starts pumping wind riders. When done correctly, almost nothing can stand in front of u in this one.
-2 Uds again. DK&Dl, mass ghouls. Both keeps pushing until one enemy is down or damaged so hardly. In the meantime they hit tier2 and goes for mass gargs. Lich is the 2nd choice in this one always. No tier 3 also (especially because of that famous 1.17 stone form bug :/)
Well, surely there r hundreds of ways to show an effective gaming but I find especially these 4 strategies very hard to counter in this game.
LordAlucard
12-21-2004, 15:44
In massive games (3v3 or 4v4) I always use Blademaster. There's no way to stop him. He level-ups fast with windwalk and once lvl 5 he's unbeatable.
Thul-Kazal
12-29-2004, 22:08
4v4 go for 4 fire lord.And go harras,just see that u are not going on elf.
Try that and u will see :D
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