Request for -sp mod

[-toXic-]

i dont know if it happens to you but when i play a game sometimes teams are so imbalanced and its cuz;i'll give u example "dont take it personal just to say SyS guys wanna be together some other clan wanna play together;mods wanna play together.So i ask for all ss games to type -sp mode;yes it does not mean that this will help to get balanced team but atleast it will be some chance.thx

[Sagacity]

i don,t agree

[sublime_]

I agree .. much more better if we play -sp ..for many things

[d_tain]

well i agree what he sad...
SOMEtimes you know the game will end before it begins...i know there is a chance it wont but its very demoralalizing...
its hard to watch unjustice in real world, so its hard to look it here...
when u know the guy is a noob, and enemie will own him, its just hopeless and its killing u inside and u dont wanna play...u just want sometime, in a virtual world to see there is fair games to be played...
so SP mode is not bad...
friends dont have to be on the same side, the game is GAME for a reason and not matter of life and death..
the definition of game is that is not matter of life and death, the outcome, whatever it is, is not important u live or die, or some part of u lives or die..

so its not really important to play on the same side, as long as u are playing...

i came to a conclusion that if got owned or enemie survives with 1-10 hp is not bad thing if its done out of luck, its extremly funny as long its kept fair :laugh:

we know the rules, no backdooring and stealing items...we could broke the rules without any regret cuz its possible and its logical, BUT still we dont do it... cuz the magic of the game is lost...

and i play dota cuz there is magic within it... i feel love and friendship... yet i see hatred and selfishness too...

still i want to keep mind open and to be fair...:tiphat:

[[max_serbia]]

Agree. I would really like that every ss game be played in sp mode. I am sick of team-clan-friend-teams

[_Seeker_]

Doesn`t matter,i just played -sp and lost.

[[miL]Obst]

I don't care. I even enjoy joining a game and seeing a team of opponents who are friends. That way its more fun to own them. I think all ss players are quite good, it's just that sometimes they lack teamwork.

[Warkaholic]

Not a good idea. Maybe you are a little new, I'll explain:
-sp games will lead to private games in ss, something like ss in ss. You won't have access to play against good teams, you'll never see good tactics, eventually you will learn nothing from playing.
You'll play against some random ppl and think you're good. Until you'll meet them :)

I don;t say I don't agree, I'll say it's not a good idea. Even if I chose to not play sometimes, it's not because of the ppl "up" but because of the banlisted ppl I recognize "down". I can;t deny them the right they earn - to play ss games, but I still have the option to avoid them :)

This topic gives me the kick to start a discussion about something more interesting: the history of dota on eurobattle, as we see it :)

[-toXic-]

well i thik Warkaholic that u re wrong...my point of dota is not to be the best and never to lose....but it's not either to lose everytime when i play vs arranged dota players who have good team work..how will i learn to be like them if i dont try TO ACT LIKE THEM AND PLAY WITH THEM.we have here in ss some imba players who can lead a game;and organize team work...and lets say that all those ppl play with arranged players..they do swap 3 swap 7 swap 2 swap 8 and here we go....lose...pissing off....and we start to play alone...If i will have chance to play with some good team player and organizer it would be much better...once u play with imba players once with lower quality but that's point of sp mode.

[sunnis]

1 team has to win, other has to lose.

Anyway, no sp needed, just make balanced teams before start, It is easy to swap with bot.

[Snow-Berry]

-rd is ok as long as against few of one clan, there are few of other clan, and this will be important when ladder will start working =)

[D3c3bal]

many players play with ventrilo and thats why they don't want -sp mode, ventrilo should be used in all ss games by all ss players.

[Warkaholic]

many players play with ventrilo and thats why they don't want -sp mode, ventrilo should be used in all ss games by all ss players.
Players who play together daily don't even need the chat line or minimap signals, they just synchronize. Don't you have enough spam in games? now you want to ruin my music, too?
Just play the GAME...remember? it's a game, have fun...when the fun stops, you better stop playing, because that's why you started, don't you?
You have to make a list of compromises you'd make to play this game
For me, it's like:
- spend some time? yes
- learn all about items and effects? yes
- try the best I can, to win a game? yes
- ventrilo? no
- stress? no
- favour gaming against real life? no
- ruin other people fun? (excepting winning against) - no

Let ppl be...no ventrilo, no -sp...
Just like a curiosity, I was playing with DVille for a loooong time, we were playing -sp daily, and there was only one game we were not in the same team :D we found that funny

[Silver-Berry]

dont agree. -SP not on all games. But this mode can be added to most of them.

[[YY]Kai]

This idea fails big time ... When i host i will not make it sp unless my team and other team agrees.

Whats the point of making a clan if u cant play together , so yes if this sp rule takes place i will probly just play private games elsewhere.

ThxBai.

[[max_serbia]]

OMG .. Ur comments : " I played sp, and i lost it " i mean wtf ?? U think that u will win every game when there is sp ? lol .. I just think that there will be more balanced games, coz in last 5 ss games i played, difference was enough for ff(25) ... Or, it should not be sp, if like Caine says, there are balanced teams be4 start ( but it rarely happen.. ) And i 90% of times know who will win that "imbalanced games" before start .. So i think its really good idea that all ss games be played in shuffle players mode.

[[YY]Kai]

So i think its really good idea that all ss games be played in shuffle players mode

NAAAAAAAAAAH. Dude its a crap idea.
Bcos i know for e.g. Berrys want 2 play together , sys do ,sst do , 300 do , So why the **** must we put SP in our modes if we want to play together.

[Mr.7error]

Almost the most stupid idea I've heard for this ss.
Quote:
For me, it's like:
- spend some time? yes
- learn all about items and effects? yes
- try the best I can, to win a game? yes
- ventrilo? no
- stress? no
- favour gaming against real life? no
- ruin other people fun? (excepting winning against) - no
Ventrilo no because u get to know your team mate ? And how about laughing with them when something funny happens, how about calling ganks and pushes easier, how about instant knoledge about what's going on ? I think you messed up hard. Stress ? Ofc not. Ruin other people fun ? Of course if that means my fun ? Just kidding but how the **** does me being with my clan mates affect your fun ? We are just safelisted like you, skilled just like you. I want to play with my friends more than just play some nice balanced game. If u can't keep up with us than go train dude don't ask for -sp, that's really really stupid. Also in sp i've seen some much more imbalanced teams than normal. I think this should be closed because it was made by some kids who just can't win like this and want sp to get a chance.

[[YY]Kai]

Thank you 7error ;)

[rza]

IS 73RROR SUM KIND OF A PROEZ?! XD

gj :) no sp

[[DjoxY]]

I am not for sp either...

[Warkaholic]

Almost the most stupid idea I've heard for this ss.

1. First, check your reading skills. I am against the mandatory -sp, not pro -sp.
2. What happened when your pro ventrilo clan played our clan (FUBU) in tournament? Just ask them, if you were not there. Oh, let me tell you, I really enjoy to serve you this: FORFEIT 2 GAMES? and I played techies???
Go hide in a dark corner before making my posts stupid.

[Bonzy]

Sometimes there really is a need for -sp. Lets say for example that tay and extasy and mby nennad play in the same team and they are on vent. Oke they wanna play together cuz they are on vent and cuz they are in same clan and that causes advantage because its rly easier to achieve better teamplay by using vent+they are class above most of other players so that gives them more advantage to win , i would say 90% chance. i think they can sacrifise their vent connection and "playing with friends" for the sake of more imbalanced game... so what is the point of playing for scourge if they have so low chances to win? For fun? Naaaaah , people don't have fun while losing , im pure example of it. dont throw bricks on me cuz of my post plz :) ty in advance XD

[D3c3bal]

2. What happened when your pro ventrilo clan played our clan (FUBU) in tournament? Just ask them, if you were not there. Oh, let me tell you,
that was so long ago, we were at the beginning many of that players left the clan, we even didn't know about ventrilo ^^ => we were v. nubish
we don't play with vent on all games, 1-2 games max per day
and **** it if a game is with -sp mode i don't have nothing against that

[FLaMeSeeKeR]

Rules would support -sp mode in case when players want this mode.

For me doesn't matter if i play with random team mates vs 5 clan mates ... It's even better since playing vs betters players makes you better :p

[IceBird]

Rules would support -sp mode in case when players want this mode.

for me doesn't matter if i play with random team mates vs 5 clan mates ...For me it's even better since playing vs betters players makes you better :p


yes i agree :D doesnt matter since im used to tay + extasy + nennad + kais in same team but yes definitely playing against good players has made me better

[Mr.7error]

1. First, check your reading skills. I am against the mandatory -sp, not pro -sp.
2. What happened when your pro ventrilo clan played our clan (FUBU) in tournament? Just ask them, if you were not there. Oh, let me tell you, I really enjoy to serve you this: FORFEIT 2 GAMES? and I played techies???
Go hide in a dark corner before making my posts stupid.
I wasn't in this clan back then, further more D3c3bal who was said they didn't even use ventrilo and they were noobish then and not skilled, ofc you could just play them like pubbers. But what does that have to do with ventrilo being useless ? If u can read and I see u can u'll notice that you're the only one here who sais ventrilo is bad, doesn't that give you something to think about ? About tay extasy nennad, what is so bad against playing with some skilled players who maybe approved/denied you and u get to see what was required. I would be glad to play against them since they are all good and have good teamplay. Further more they rarely are all logged on and get to play a game toghether, so when they do they wanna do that, ofc. Sure if u play all day with same team it's booring but then u can just arrange the teams before starting a lil bit so it would be more exciting.

[Mer]

The problem are games that you know that you will lost before game started. When you and your team play as good as you can and you haven't ANY change to win it's frustrating and boring. for example in match 'mods vs random ss players' it's clear that mods win. You could tell that random ss players have chance, but... it's like 1% and for me it's same as no chance to win.

I'm not against teams, becouse I understand that players than know each other likes to stick. However if best players stick together and play against others it's impossible to get equal match.

IMHO it will be great if a mod or other very skilled player go another team and take captain/mentor role. At least as long as we have huge diffrence in skill between ss players.

[ss-Kenyshor]

I've did what this(going to team 2), and trust me is wasnt fun at all, i`m lucky i dont have a heart condition, otherwise i wont be writing here now:P. The problem is with some ss users that are very low in skill regarding teamplay(ok they can last hit/deny), but when i`m host i`m trying not to let 3-4 of them in same team, cause is no fun at all. But they should try to improve also. Not to mention that almost no one listen, so why bother teaching them? they'll all UBER pro.

[sunnis]

Sometimes there really is a need for -sp. Lets say for example that tay and extasy and mby nennad play in the same team and they are on vent. Oke they wanna play together cuz they are on vent and cuz they are in same clan and that causes advantage because its rly easier to achieve better teamplay by using vent+they are class above most of other players so that gives them more advantage to win , i would say 90% chance. i think they can sacrifise their vent connection and "playing with friends" for the sake of more imbalanced game... so what is the point of playing for scourge if they have so low chances to win? For fun? Naaaaah , people don't have fun while losing , im pure example of it. dont throw bricks on me cuz of my post plz :) ty in advance XD

players don't win games on their names, and everyone can be beaten, I remember playing a game vs tAy, diablo, and rising in same team, and I remember pro_fighter ([si]pedro) playing with me scourge. They made a deal in chat to gang me every 5 minutes so I would uber feed, but unfortunately pro_fighter told me of such deal, so I picked gondar :D. We won in the end. The point is that everyone can be beaten, every pick can be countered etc

I've did what this(going to team 2), and trust me is wasnt fun at all, i`m lucky i dont have a heart condition, otherwise i wont be writing here now:P. The problem is with some ss users that are very low in skill regarding teamplay(ok they can last hit/deny), but when i`m host i`m trying not to let 3-4 of them in same team, cause is no fun at all. But they should try to improve also. Not to mention that almost no one listen, so why bother teaching them? they'll all UBER pro.

talking about teamplay, huh? I remember seeing 5 carry in ss games... And than they cry on last picks, as it was rd. That is why I always prefer ap.

[BlackLagoon]

yes i agree :D doesnt matter since im used to tay + extasy + nennad + kais in same team but yes definitely playing against good players has made me better
true the only way to get better is to get pwned :D

[sublime_]

about mods in same team .. i enjoy to pwn them :)

[[TbG]butcher]

hmm today i just wanted sp mode. But keny and tay didn't want......they said will swap me in their team but no sp mode. maybe they thougt if i will play with them and own, i shut my mouth up. they said they want to play togheder, but i ask anom to balance team and he also didn't want; and i was right,anom was imba. If u wanna win every time just say and we just act like puppets. some players can't accept to lose....and for that they make teams like when we was kids and played footbaal in the school yard.

P.S. :diablo u could have a point of view in this thread

[-eXtasY-]

Hmm u want my oppinion ...
Well what to say i understand both sides really . I also very like to play with my friends since we are here , together on this server for few years I really dont look on them as on random players , and with them dota is more then just a game . I can chat with them make stupid jokes like calling tay noob/feeder if he dies , say "fu" if he tells me to buy wards etc. :) I always played dota for fun and my mates are more important to me then competitive dota. Many times we agreed to play via msn and came online together just to have some fun , so its kinda hard to expect that we play against each other . About your case buther , tay and anom are brothers its normal that they want to play together ;) I understand the other side also , i remember when i played aginst ss clan , devi , void , sivy , sns and others in old ss. Scared to feed , to get outfarmed etc , but those were the games i learned the most. Saw how team should look like , how to counter particular combos / players , how important is to have proper farm . Learned much about both item and skill builds . Its was kinda interesting to me . Anyway i dont have anything against to play sometimes sp , but im totally against making it an obligation . Its fine to cross the swords with friends sometimes , but i dont want to lose right to play with my mates when i want so ;)

p.s. ok i promise when i buy graph card ill play few games against them , just to prove they are naps and that u have nothing to be scared from :)

[Artificial]

it's obvious... people with lots of friends/clan mates etc will not like the idea..
people with less friends will like the idea..
Kai;710986']
Whats the point of making a clan if u cant play together

Well it surely is much more about playing clan wars, rather than owning some less skilled guys on ss

[[TbG]butcher]

Hmm u want my oppinion ...
Well what to say i understand both sides really . I also very like to play with my friends since we are here , together on this server for few years I really dont look on them as on random players , and with them dota is more then just a game . I can chat with them make stupid jokes like calling tay noob/feeder if he dies , say "fu" if he tells me to buy wards etc. :) I always played dota for fun and my mates are more important to me then competitive dota. Many times we agreed to play via msn and came online together just to have some fun , so its kinda hard to expect that we play against each other . About your case buther , tay and anom are brothers its normal that they want to play together ;) I understand the other side also , i remember when i played aginst ss clan , devi , void , sivy , sns and others in old ss. Scared to feed , to get outfarmed etc , but those were the games i learned the most. Saw how team should look like , how to counter particular combos / players , how important is to have proper farm . Learned much about both item and skill builds . Its was kinda interesting to me . Anyway i dont have anything against to play sometimes sp , but im totally against making it an obligation . Its fine to cross the swords with friends sometimes , but i dont want to lose right to play with my mates when i want so ;)

p.s. ok i promise when i buy graph card ill play few games against them , just to prove they are naps and that u have nothing to be scared from :)

1st of all i have nothing to learn from tay or keny. they are just good player but not invincible; if u look at tay when he has no agil hereos he is not soo imba.
And i'm not scared to play against anyone....i just wanna play some decent game because for that we all w8 10-20-30 min for one game, not to play a unbalanced game. If u look with more atention i said sp for balance, not to make a rule or to play with someone.And the most anoising part is that they tried to make me shut up, and to disimulate the problem. That is not working with me, maybe with others underage players.

[ss-Kenyshor]

@bonzy you're right, but i couldn't take it anymore. All day only whiners withou reasons, that's my problem. I can understand when someone ask for sp IF they have reasons, but dont come ask sp just for the fun of it. Sorry anyway

[2fuckingbitch]

No SP...
But we need to make balanced teams...
Sp sometimes cant balance teams..
So we can before start swap with bot and balance teams and everything will be good.
And if some clan want to play together that is their decission if u dont want to play againt them u can simple leave game... and find another ss game.