History of your country.

[LoGiStiK]

Okay , here anyone may post several moments of their country's history , critical moments , tyrans's lives and reign of domination etc. And we may debate on them , again , retarded spam or childish posts will be deleted and you will recieve infraction(s).

[-Kyuubi-]

ok I fell from history in school. I'll edit this post later and tell u all about Bosnia :D

[Taz.]

welll i come from lebanon its in the middle-east..small country but a nice one..

so here it is..

lebanon has politicals problems like big one... ex: ppl did not like the president so they voted to ban him (lol i say ban.. i mean take off the president job..), so hes out know..Unfortanetly till now we have no president.. cus every candidate is from diff religion which makes it hard to do...

in 2006 in summer i went to lebanon and in the middle of my vacation war was declared.. i was so afraid... its rly not funny war, in middle of night you hear bombs explode and the windows start makin nose and you cant sleep, you hear tthe F-16 planes flying.. Israel was vs Heseb Allah (dunno wats in english sry) so we had to leave lebanon as soon as possible... we called th Canadien Embbassy and they sed like in couple of days there gonnna start evacuatin canadiens ppl. THANK God i have im canadien so we were part of it...

next day they caled us to go to the port and we were heading to Turkey in a boat... Israel Forces forced the boat captain so accelarate if not he will bombared us..

the boat was going so damn fast i was trowing up for 10 COMPLETE hours, then the other 7 hours i felt better,,,

arrived therre we were in a place were we can take our shower eat and everytinhg ..

then we meeet our friend... (which is good) we arrive to the airport with a huge buss.. and there that friend that we meet know a guy that vollenteers for Air Canada so he asked us if we wanted to go first class we totaly accepted (lol i was so happy) in the plane we took off from Turkey and arrived at Canada safe.. Thank God.

So this it it... i told you lil bit bout Lebanon and a ll story bout the war there..

BTW please dont think im vs Israel ppl just cus im lebanese... im not with no one in the war..

Ps:i was with my mom bro and sis...

ouff that was long..

hope you learned bout my country lol!!

Cheers!

edit: Meem00 i think you should know bout this since you come from Egypt lol...

[fatman69]

interesting story man...well i'm not a racist, but i dare to say that i'm 100% against israeilis in most of the wars (no offense IL guys, i just feel that way)

again, i'm not for any nazi politics, but i feel that most of the recent middle-east conflicts were casued by Israrel, and judging by the news they don't spare any1 civil or soldier. which is kinda hypocritcal when u consider how much the complain about their WW II losses. they prooved to be nothing better than their former prossecuters (i repeat IMO)

[IOwnYouAll]

well a critical moment in Romania's history was in WW2 when we turned our weapons against Hitler and sided with Russia. My friends(historical geek friends) say that even if Germany would have won,and we would have stayed on they're side,we would be somehow in the same situation that we are now...well i need some arguments/opinions on this... cause i think if Germany would have won,and we would have stayed on they're side thing would have been a lot better for us now.

(ofc there are other historical important discutions about Romania,but i want to debate this..." WHAT IF ? ")

PS:interesting thread ;)

[LSD_efect]

we have had the bigest empire the manking has ever seen in the time of Alehandar The Great.now one of the smalest...

[`AVAX]

Ancient Macedonians and the new Macedonians are not the same people, actually they have no relations at all, it's just the name.
Ancient Macedonians were Greek.

[fatman69]

@IOwnYouAll - hmmm i don't think germany would share their power even if you stayed on their side. germany had a pact with russia at start, so look what good came from it. i think you country didn't benefit much from comunism either, but thinking that germany under nazi regime would share their power with any of "inferior" races (from their point of view) seems unreal.

[kranz]

Iownyouall-I suggest you should find what Hitler said about Japan.Since it may be hard to find I'll tell you the essence-"after we win=conquer the world, we will have to take care of them=they were not of a proper race".IMO it would be just a matter of time for Fuhrer to "clean" Europe of not-arians.But he couldn't win this war.

Croatians were also German's allies but unfortunately they belonged to the "balkanian pot" nation which fought and still fight for their independence.

[OMGBergrush]

well a critical moment in Romania's history was in WW2 when we turned our weapons against Hitler and sided with Russia.

i believe the correct term for this is: we are cowards and fight for the winning side
Ancient Macedonians and the new Macedonians are not the same people, actually they have no relations at all, it's just the name.
Ancient Macedonians were Greek.

well you got that right. ancient macedonians = greek modern macedonians = slavs. the difference is obvious

[kranz]

calling Romanians cowards is offending when it comes to WW2.They were brave soldiers but lack in experience and tech.Read some memories concerning eastern front, battle for Stalingrad etc.
PS:and I'm not from Romania

[LoGiStiK]

i believe the correct term for this is: we are cowards and fight for the winning side


well you got that right. ancient macedonians = greek modern macedonians = slavs. the difference is obvious

Actualy , Hitler sent a letter to us saying 'Ally us , or you will be erased from the face of the earth'.
Think that we were between Russia , Germany, Bulgary , Hungary , wich were on Hitler's side , so what should we do? Say no and get slaughered? Of course we had to accept that.
We also had to: Give Germany our agricultural resources for 90 years , give Russia Basarabia and Bucovina de Nord , give Hungary half of Transilvania , so think that this was really really hard, we were forced.

[OMGBergrush]

Actualy , Hitler sent a letter to us saying 'Ally us , or you will be erased from the face of the earth'.
Think that we were between Russia , Germany, Bulgary , Hungary , wich were on Hitler's side , so what should we do? Say no and get slaughered? Of course we had to accept that.
think that this was really really hard, we were forced.

well hitler gave us a far better deal: give us right of passage through the country with your own police officers securing the trains and in return you shall have the greek city of salonika. to which we said no because we serbs dont make deals with enemies we stomp their balls as was proven on multiple occasions. yes that decision cost us a few million people just like in ww1 but we had proven once more that we dont bow down to tyranny and greed and make deals with the enemies of the people even though at the time of the our refusal the situation in world looked like this:
-germany, italy and japan allied
-spain, hungary, romania, bulgaria, finland pro nazi
-china, france, belgium, netherlands, luxemburg, norway, poland, czechoslovakia, austria, albania occupied
-portugal, sweden, switzerland neutral
-england, greece still fighting

so yeah we were pretty much alone and the demand wasnt that bad but still we said no and paid for it but our conscience as well as our history is clean.
its never about not having a choice because there is always a choice its just that sometimes the correct choice comes with a lot of pain and we serbs are not afraid of it. im saying this mostly because all you serb hating land stealing scum who want to take kosovo away from us better gear up for war because all who messed with us ended in failure. but obviously such scum are too busy with laundering money and political scheming to bother to learn from history.

[kranz]

don't treat it as an attack but:
"give us right of passage through the country with your own police officers securing the trains and in return you shall have the greek city of salonika."
You did get the city but secured the trains poorly-guerillas on Balkans were one of the strongest(beside Russia).Next:"we serbs dont make deals with enemies"-how about gen.Nedic and the "chetnics"(probably I misspelled this word-people of Mihailovic)Not to mention hundreds of serbs in Waffen-SS.I would also not agree with the "division" you did.Spain government was not so pro nazi as most people think.Spain was neutral. I would put Austria with Germany becacuse the general climate of this country was heavy pro-nazi.

For Logistik:Hitler sent similar letter to polish gov.but we declined his offer.You know what was further.

[KeweLi]

England/HK:
-Battle of Agincourt (One of our greatest victories ever)
-Defeat of Napoleon and Hitler
-Colonisation of Hong Kong (which is why I am here :))
-George Washington defeating the British (important for Americans)

[IOwnYouAll]

England/HK:
-Battle of Agincourt (One of our greatest victories ever)
-Defeat of Napoleon and Hitler
-Colonisation of Hong Kong (which is why I am here :))
-George Washington defeating the British (important for Americans)

keweli you are british or Japanese ?

[kranz]

imo the agincourt middle finger story ROX, hong kong is chinneese, am I right?

[OMGBergrush]

"give us right of passage through the country with your own police officers securing the trains and in return you shall have the greek city of salonika."
You did get the city but secured the trains poorly-guerillas on Balkans were one of the strongest(beside Russia).
what the hell are you talking about? germany never got right of passage they had to come with an army and allies to take it from us. and even the government that supported germany[before it was overthrown] didnt accept to take the city since greeks were our friends.

Next:"we serbs dont make deals with enemies"-how about gen.Nedic and the "chetnics"(probably I misspelled this word-people of Mihailovic)
general Nedic was leader of an occupied serbia because some authority has to be maintained if [relatively] normal life is to be had by the people. this man was no traitor in fact he served in the royal army which fought the german invasion. chetniks were a guerilla force just like the partisans but unlike the communists they fought to restore the monarchy. they were initially supported by the british but the later stopped attacking the germans when the retributions against the people were too high.

serbs in Waffen-SS.
no

I would also not agree with the "division" you did.Spain government was not so pro nazi as most people think.Spain was neutral. I would put Austria with Germany becacuse the general climate of this country was heavy pro-nazi.
spain sent expeditionary forces to germany which fought at stalingrad the blue division i believe it was called

oh and before you end up looking stupid again i suggest you read up on from some real historic sources and not the western anti-serb propaganda.

[kranz]

I really "end up looking stupid" because I didn't get your wicked point of view. So when the germans came "with an army and blablabla" what you did?Let's see:on 6th April Fall Margarita begins, on 12th April Belgrad asks for a cease fire.7 days and u are pwned.Nice.But you fought.No Serbs in Waffen-SS.REAL LOL.Do yourself a favour and read some books.Just check 7th P.Eugen and 13th Hanschar.Serbs even had a Gestapo police forces born on 1st april 42.If you say that serbs were not cooperatiing with Hitler.....Yes it was "blue division" and so what?As I said-Spain was a rather pain in the neck than a help for Hitler.The last but not least-what happedned to your favourite hero Nedic ?Arrested and committed a suicide.What do you think of Quisling ?Did Norway need him to "maintain normal life" ?Why there was no such a government in Poland(and believe me-I'm not a nationalist)?The Poles were able to maintain normal life without licking ass and giving men for arms.And I'm not influenced by "western anti-serb propaganda". Srebrenica and Mladic are not propaganda-made.They are real so the world could see what serbs are capable of.
PS:Artur Seyss-Inquart once said(before he was hanged):If you were sitting in the first row in good times you should sit there in bad times as well. I hope you got the point-don't try to fool us that serbs were innocent and hated Hitler.I won't believe you.

[OMGBergrush]

i would advise you to back off with such words for you have no idea what you are talking about.

I hope you got the point-don't try to fool us that serbs were innocent and hated Hitler.I won't believe you.
its not about you believing me or putting your distorted malicious and antiserb point of view im talking about FACTS!

fact 1. serbs didnt agree to steal someone elses land in ww2 even though it was offered to them for practically free
fact 2. serbs threw down the goverment that sign the pact with germans
fact 3. in serb populated areas the answer to mobilization in `41 was ~80-90% in croat populated areas it was less than 30%
fact 4. serbs actively fought the nazis during whole war time
fact 5. there was no serbian ss division although there were units in nedic`s serbia which were under the de facto command of german ss they were never under direct order and didnt wear ss insignia
fact 6. srebrenica was an act of retribution and serbia was proven innocent by the tribunal of war crimes for planning to commit such an act
my opinion: you are a jealous serb hating scum

[-toXic-]

fact 6. srebrenica was an act of retribution and serbia was proven innocent by the tribunal of war crimes for planning to commit such an act
my opinion: you are a jealous serb hating scum

berg...come on...and yes ofc is proven that ""they are innocent""but they did it(i dont want to say serbs did it;;organized group of chetnik's did it),,tribunal just dont have proof's..u know that they locked down proof's of so they were not used on court.I my from bosnia and most of ppl here dont like serbs and ofc serbs dont like us...but i dont hate them.I respect when some1 is from serbia and says:CHETNIK'S ARE BAD!!THAT'S WRONG!I HAVE BRAIN!.But i saw ppl who are proud of being something like that,,and i think that they have some serious problems,dunno just how some1 can say something like that.
But what are you here trying to do.Do u want to say to us that serbia was made of gold.That u were not guilty for starting war(i read that u wrote something like this"we can all agree here that it was you croatians who started a war.)U closed thread so i couldn't write LOL x 100

[fatman69]

i would advise you to back off with such words for you have no idea what you are talking about.

its not about you believing me or putting your distorted malicious and antiserb point of view im talking about FACTS!

fact 1. serbs didnt agree to steal someone elses land in ww2 even though it was offered to them for practically free
fact 2. serbs threw down the goverment that sign the pact with germans
fact 3. in serb populated areas the answer to mobilization in `41 was ~80-90% in croat populated areas it was less than 30%
fact 4. serbs actively fought the nazis during whole war time
fact 5. there was no serbian ss division although there were units in nedic`s serbia which were under the de facto command of german ss they were never under direct order and didnt wear ss insignia
fact 6. srebrenica was an act of retribution and serbia was proven innocent by the tribunal of war crimes for planning to commit such an act
my opinion: you are a jealous serb hating scum

i knew this thread was a bad thing just bcuz of retards like berg that don't acknowlidge world history and say that : "only serbs know what happened"

serbs fought against germans?? lol....serbs kicked enemy... heavy lol...
i'll just make u skip your further comments berg. both the ustasa fighters on cro side and chetnics on serb side were pro nazi. if not pro nazi then definetly not against.
if not so, how come the partisans (commies) fought against both chetnicks and germans?? if you don't admit go find books about "Battle on Neretva", go watch the ****in movie...if they fought against germans and chetnicks (and ustasha for that matter) how can u claim such stupidities?

and to again comment in advance, partisans were mainly croats, thier leader Tito was born in Croatia, bosnians and serbs were not so numerous at start, but conveniently joined them at the very end of the war...

point 6. - you were sentenced innocent, by the same tribunal that u spit on for taking "your soldiers" for recent war. funny, when court sentences you innocent it's valid court, when it says you're guilty you're like: OMG those lieing bastards... and btw, it was retribution for what?

one more thing de facto means real, current state. so what you're basically saying is that gen. nedic's forces were under real german command...

go brush up on your history and while your at it get a ****in brain and learn some english

[EDIT] y i agree with -toxic- 100%,no1 shouldnt be proud to be either chetnic or ustasha....it's a ****ed up thing. and y i remember that thread berg said, i got a comment saved for that.

[kranz]

"you are a jealous serb hating scum". jealous for what?For killing innocent civilians?I'm curious why you quoted only the last line-if you have strong arguments opposing mine go ahead.But you decided to tell me about moblization.LOL.Fact 4 is just crushing.How many per cent of them?100%? 50% 10 serbs.And don't call me anti-serb because it's the cheapest trick.Next step would be inviting some of your friends to support your "idea".
If I said:Croatians were in Waffen-SS, would you or any Croatian called me anti-croat ? I will give you an example:now in Poland we have a guy.A jew named Gross.He wrote a book "Fear" in which he says:Poles were killing jews and helping germans to finish them.80% of society said:oh you mother**** , you are a liar, **** you.But most of historians said:but this is the truth, not all poles were killing jews but there were several cases etc. Your only task is to decide what side will you join.Back to SS.-after let's say-1943 there were only a few examples of a one-nation ss divison.(there were 38 div).Many poles from Silesia(a district where I live)where taken by force or wanted to join Wehrmacht and SS. But this is the truth.We won't change it.

[2fuckingbitch]

All facts are correct
BTW Serbia hated Hitler ....
and we never gave them passage trought our country ...
We were in WW2 because that...

[kranz]

And I guess you are from Serbia? In fact Mussolini also didn't like Hitler(not so harsh as "hated")because Hitler was doing sth and later informing his ally.But that didn't discourage him to help Fuhrer.I've never said that Serbia was german's ally from the beginning. But there is a difference between saying "Serbia" and "Serbs".

[SetoKaiba]

serbs fought against germans??**** yea.
both the ustasa fighters on cro side and chetnics on serb side were pro nazi. Ustase are pro nazi. Infact in Jasenica they killed around 600,000 Serbs and others but in recent times Croatians are reducing the number with every year that passes. Chetnics were never nazi and never fought for Germany.
if not so, how come the partisans (commies) fought against both chetnicks and germans?? if you don't admit go find books about "Battle on Neretva", go watch the ****in movie...if they fought against germans and chetnicks (and ustasha for that matter) how can u claim such stupidities?you show that you dont know Serbian history right here. Which is logical since you are Croatian. They fought each others cos of difrent ideals they had. Partizans are hard-core comunist while Chetniks were for monarchy. And if battle on Neretva is your source of information i can just laugh. After the war when Partizans came in power they made many movies/books/ and other bull**** propaganda to make Chetniks look like traitors like they were fighting on German side etc. All who would disagree would end up dead or in jail. Chetniks
were greater fighters against nazi than Partisans but they were for King which was not good for komunist bastards.

and to again comment in advance, partisans were mainly croats,Hoiw come that "guerila" resistance in middle of Serbia was made up mainly of Croats ? thier leader Tito was born in Croatia, bosnians and serbs were not so numerous at start, but conveniently joined them at the very end of the war... lol. Tito was a ****ing ******* and he came in power after the war during it he was not leader of any kind , thou with all the media **** after it was presented so.

I wanna know do they teach you in school that or you based your facts on after war Partisan movies which are 100% made of bull**** ?

[bibac_boom]

Chetniks were greater fighters against nazi than Partisans but they were for King which was not good for komunist bastards.

well those bastards won the war without any help and in unhuman conditonals for few years while Chetniks were killing civilans(muslims mostly) and drinking all day long. **** your Chetniks we won the war YUGOSLAVIA WAS GREEAT COUNTRY UNTIL YOUR CHETNIKS CAME AGAIN IN 90s first you fought for King when u were left to have your KINGDOM u didnt like it so attacked few nerbay countrsy. WHAT DO U WANT MAN WHAAAAAAAT!!!!!!!

[-toXic-]

and u re from serbia 2(SetoKaiba and 2****ing*****,aren't you).U just talk about your country like god live in it.Can i see any1 who is not from serbia or greece(cuz they love yaa(mean serbs))with nice arguments who are on your side.

[OMGBergrush]

berg...come on...and yes ofc is proven that ""they are innocent""but they did it(i dont want to say serbs did it;;organized group of chetnik's did it),,tribunal just dont have proof's..u know that they locked down proof's of so they were not used on court.I my from bosnia and most of ppl here dont like serbs and ofc serbs dont like us...but i dont hate them.
first of all the whole srebrenica incident occurred because muslims were attacking serbs and then withdrawing behind the "protected zone" so eventually serbs got pissed told the dutch or belgians whoever was there that they better leave if they dont want to die and being pussies like they are they fled and left the populace unguarded. this is an act of retribution i in no way support but you have to understand that people who were in those paramilitary units had their brothers/friends/compatriots killed by muslims so when they got hold of them they killed them in revenge. the reason this wasnt genocide is because there was no order for serbia political or military top to execute those people.

CHETNIK'S ARE BAD!!THAT'S WRONG!I HAVE BRAIN!.But i saw ppl who are proud of being something like that,,and i think that they have some serious problems,dunno just how some1 can say something like that.
first off all im going to tell you where the word chetnik originates from. chetniks during ww1 were volunteers who crossed the danube/sava/drina rivers from austrohungary to fight to serbia. since they were citizens of austrohungary they were treated as traitors and for them there was no surrender because they would be sentenced to death. so they fought to the last man in the most dangerous missions or protecting the rear of the retreating army. i lost 2 great grandfathers in this way. they were called chetniks because cheta is a word for a small military band since these people were rarely able to form any bigger unit because of the lack of manpower.
the later ww2 chetniks have in common with these people is name and thats all. they fought for the restoration of the serbian crown and if they were pro nazi why did they end up in the same prison cams with the partisans? was hitler maybe crazy and imprisoned his allies?

That u were not guilty for starting war(i read that u wrote something like this"we can all agree here that it was you croatians who started a war.)U closed thread so i couldn't write LOL x 100
first of all i didnt close that thread and 2nd it was the croatians who started the war because they wanted to destroy a legitimate state through illegal means we were fighting to preserve the country our ancestors died to make so.

and u re from serbia 2(SetoKaiba and 2****ing*****,aren't you).U just talk about your country like god live in it.Can i see any1 who is not from serbia or greece(cuz they love yaa(mean serbs))with nice arguments who are on your side.
actually it is your side which has no arguments. all i hear from you is serbia is bad chetniks evil srebrenica massacre etc. i guess the reason you bosnians are now pissed off is because nobody cares for you. where are your muslim middle east allies now? where is the usa for you now? all you have left is the poor country which is emptying. it may be hard for you to admit but if you had stayed with serbia you would have been far better off now. same story with macedonia and montenegro. enjoy your independence poverty and isolation we on the other hand are prospering both economically militarily and politically.

[bibac_boom]

maybe we are poor maybe we are left behind but we are not coldblooded killers with they SUPERselfines and one more thing in HALF OF BOSNIA AND HERZEGOVINA LIVES YOUR PEOPLE U IDIOT DONT YOU WANT TO HELP THEM ahh there is no way with u

[fatman69]

**** yea.Ustase are pro nazi. Infact in Jasenica they killed around 600,000 Serbs and others but in recent times Croatians are reducing the number with every year that passes.

pff, yeah sure 10 ****in millions...gimme a break, 600 000 would be like a 10-20 of the serbia's population of that time...it's actually serbs who made up those numbers (like partisans did after the WW II) to get cash from reparations


Chetnics were never nazi and never fought for Germany.you show that you dont know Serbian history right here. Which is logical since you are Croatian. They fought each others cos of difrent ideals they had. Partizans are hard-core comunist while Chetniks were for monarchy.

yeah, ok but what about that part some1 mentioned that serbs fought bravely agaisnt germans, you guys fough bravely for maybe 2 weeks. i said myb not pro nazi but definetly not agaisnt them...


And if battle on Neretva is your source of information i can just laugh. After the war when Partizans came in power they made many movies/books/ and other bull**** propaganda to make Chetniks look like traitors like they were fighting on German side etc. All who would disagree would end up dead or in jail. Chetniks were greater fighters against nazi than Partisans but they were for King which was not good for komunist bastards.

i mentioned the movie as a reference two what happened. history books speak of that as well. now lookie here, and find out how many troops axis (germans ) gathered, i quote : " six German, three Italian, as well as two Croatian divisions and a number of Chetnik and Ustasha formations"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Neretva
as i stated before ustasa, were as chetnics..,

and lemme see who'll be the first to say that wiki's not a valid source of info. it's accepted as a frame refference in many educational facilites, and if the facts were not correct, they would probably not be there.


Hoiw come that "guerila" resistance in middle of Serbia was made up mainly of Croats ?lol. Tito was a ****ing ******* and he came in power after the war during it he was not leader of any kind , thou with all the media **** after it was presented so.

were today's parts of Bosnia and Herz and Croatia ever a part of Serbia??no! then, wtf are u babling about. if u had your royalist monarchs (chetnics) how da **** did u manage to squeeze in another rebels. wtf, you say that every1 that fought bravely and fought agaisnt nazi was only in Serbia. da **** outta here with that bollocks..

ehm, while you're on that link check this out as well :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Serbia
Serbia in WW II

i'll just summarize my points briefly :
-when WW II started ustasa founded NDH 1941.(not at very start but still), we finally got our country which proved to be a total bull****, our leaders sold us to germans- nazi, did bad things, not a thing to be proud of
-same year 1941. siege of Belgrade (serbia) and serbs fight bravely for a few weeks, sign capitulation, co-operae with germans (hey,what you gonna do)
-sometime around 1942 or 1943 partisan movement appears- fighting the ustasa, at this time very brave thing to do. but if you're fighting ustasa (NDH) in which country are you?seto...
-at the same time chetnic rebels fight NDH (admirable, fighting agaisnt nazi) but again, at battle of Neretva fight alongside nazi both germans and cros...
need i comment that?
- war ends, partisans prove to be the same crap actually as the nazi (same **** different package we'd say).they install totalitarism, media control, and history goes on...we'll not discuss the remainder of history for now

[-toXic-]

first of all the whole srebrenica incident occurred because muslims were attacking serbs and then withdrawing behind the "protected zone" so eventually serbs got pissed told the dutch or belgians whoever was there that they better leave if they dont want to die and being pussies like they are they fled and left the populace unguarded. this is an act of retribution i in no way support but you have to understand that people who were in those paramilitary units had their brothers/friends/compatriots killed by muslims so when they got hold of them they killed them in revenge. the reason this wasnt genocide is because there was no order for serbia political or military top to execute those people.

first of all i didnt close that thread and 2nd it was the croatians who started the war because they wanted to destroy a legitimate state through illegal means we were fighting to preserve the country our ancestors died to make so.

actually it is your side which has no arguments. all i hear from you is serbia is bad chetniks evil srebrenica massacre etc. i guess the reason you bosnians are now pissed off is because nobody cares for you. where are your muslim middle east allies now? where is the usa for you now? all you have left is the poor country which is emptying. it may be hard for you to admit but if you had stayed with serbia you would have been far better off now. same story with macedonia and montenegro. enjoy your independence poverty and isolation we on the other hand are prospering both economically militarily and politically.
BERG U TALK BULL****.STOP USEING YOUR EMOTIONS TO DEFEND SOMETHING.i must save this somewhere.This is so...LOL.I wont comment this cuz u lie man.MUSLIMS were attacking SERBS .....no comment.
YOU GO TO UNIVERSITY BUT I CAN BET WITH MY LIFE THAT U DONT STUDY HISTORY.ONE MORE THING
THIS BERG MAKES ME WANT TO BECOME HERO

[OMGBergrush]

BERG U TALK BULL****.STOP USEING YOUR EMOTIONS TO DEFEND SOMETHING.i must save this somewhere.This is so...LOL.I wont comment this cuz u lie man.MUSLIMS were attacking SERBS .....no comment.
YOU GO TO UNIVERSITY BUT I CAN BET WITH MY LIFE THAT U DONT STUDY HISTORY.ONE MORE THING
THIS BERG MAKES ME WANT TO BECOME HERO

you know boy. it is you who are talking through emotion not i. and you muslims used every opportunity to attack orthodox serbs including but not limited to:
-assassination of archduke franz ferdinand
-serbian occupation in ww1
-yugoslavian occupation in ww2
i can give you the details if you wont its not hard for me because my father is 75 years old and has many books form those periods and also happens to have lived through all of ww2 as a refugee. furthermore and this is directed to the pro-nazi fatman from my mothers side both her father and mother are from the slavonian region of croatia and both my grandfathers parents and both my grandmothers parents were slaughtered[literary] by the ustasa scum like you. not only that but the church where they were baptized was burned and all data in it destroyed so to this day even as they are dead i know not their precise birth date.
you people [im talking about muslims and croats] seem to suffer from littleman syndrome and are jealous of everything that is positive about serbia.
yes muslim, my parents kept the faith in their fathers while your convered to islam so they would have less tax and better treatment and the right to carry arms
yes croat, my ancestors not only had a kingdom but also an empire. we recieved crowns from both the pope of rome and the patriarch of constantinopole. we liberated our own country and we had more intellectual people and what intellectuals you had [like ivo andric, josif pancic and imbro tkalac] were all pro serbian and openly opposed pro-nazi scum like you.

[-toXic-]

jealous on serbia...i wouldn't live in serbia if u would give me all fortune that u have.Yeah u are some time ahead us but dont give ****.I love my country berg and im sick of your stupid posts here about perfect sebia and JEALOUSY;i mean come on u have brain of a kid and i think that u all see in black/white version.
That's it from me here...i dont like to fight especially when some1 lies.THX
no more posts from me here;and i think u should stop 2.all do respect LOVE YYAA YOUR -toXic-

[bibac_boom]

man on ****ing 3213 post u are speking of your grand.... i dont giva a **** about them man how do i know u are not lying u just make propaganda like everyone else making it and u are so ****ing into your self man when will u understand that Serbia is not like before what u will bring war again on Kosovo u know what happans Russa ****s u up u got BOMBARDED by NATO AGAIN this is NOT ww2 ww1 roman age or medevil age WHEN will u get that u dont decide about your conutrys fate anymore where were your BRAVEST CHETNIKS WHEN NATO WAS DEMOLISHING BEOGRAD WHERE WAS YOUR ALLMIGHTY DEFENCE WHERE u can play bully with lowere countrys and some **** talking and saying we do this we great i dont care we great we great MY GRAND dady was so breave he died like HE WAS ****ING rambo there is millons people like your grand... who lost they lives and about Srebrenica and BOSNIANS attacking Serbs and escaping to safezones """ HOW COME THEY DIDNT DEFEND WITH THOSE WEPONS THEY HAD TO ATTACH SERBS"""

[OMGBergrush]

u are so ****ing into your self man when will u understand that Serbia is not like before what u will bring war again on Kosovo u know what happans Russa ****s u up u got BOMBARDED by NATO AGAIN

may i remind you that russian chief of staff has expressed the willingness to use a preemptive nuclear attack if russia or any of its allies are threatened.
btw serbia may not be what it once was i agree in fact it is a whole lot stronger now and so is russia. just look at putin and you know there is one badass who no one wants to mess with.

p.s. you may not want to being a serb or live in serbia but mesa selimovic and emir kusturica seem to disagree with you.

[fatman69]

first of all you stupid dimwith, when did i claim to be pro-nazi??****in illiterate moron, can't u read people's posts??
secondly,ivo andric WAS BOSNIAN U tard...
thridly, slavonia isn't a part of slovenia, but croatia
fourthly, assasination of franz ferdinanand (not rock band guys)was done by Gavrilo Princip, a bosnian, but under a command of Serbian intel service, link here:
http://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gavrilo_Princip

other thing, i don't aprove of any killing of civilians so i do think it's ****ed what happened to your family, hey **** happs my great grandfather died in the same circumstances at the same time. but do you know what i don't aprove of also?? judging one country by acts of the few.. u did that, i don't aprove of killing of civs but a minority of people did that, those who praise ustasa (or chetnic for that matter) movement are idiots. those who follow(ed) those ideals, don't speak of it.

main reason, we're jealos of serbs? no,we are not. every time i meet some serb on xpam, he goes (if the racil insult doesnt come first): "ah cro's serbs, we're same, brothers..." let me tell u one thing, we are not the same. we are not your brothers. we had our dignity...

it's was not croats who suddenly started to live in serbian cities in the 60's, serbs lived all over our country like gypsies without a home. it was not us that live in other people's homes. it was you. it was not us who fled from those cities the very second the war started. i condem every attack on civilians and i give credit to every serb that stood in croatia during last war. congrats to them. but how many bastards fled and now want "their" lands? "their" houses?if those were their houses why did they leave?
don't give me that bull**** that we would massacre them, we barely had any special police forces, hardly any weaponry when u *****es attacked.

no. i'm not jealos of you... you and your attitude, and the attitude of the likes of you, make me sick

[-toXic-]

p.s. you may not want to being a serb or live in serbia but mesa selimovic and emir kusturica seem to disagree with you.


Berg Come On Stop Allready.that's Ex Yu Man EX YU.cut it out your are again wrong!

[NumbAndTimeless]

Aww Berg, your Nationalism i guess is being Crushed... To bad was quite funny.

[SetoKaiba]

I dont wanna argue since its pointless. but one thing i must say: all info on cetniks you can read at books/wikia is 80% bull****.

I have met many cetniks that were in WW2 , most of them are now dead if not all, who told me their stories and stories of others people during war. But i dont think anyone would care about it nowdays anyway.

[fatman69]

hehe for once in Serious Discussions, i agree with u NumbAndTimeless :D

[EDIT] y i agree with seto 2, enough was enough, but i watned to point out some errors.

[OMGBergrush]

secondly,ivo andric WAS BOSNIAN U tard...
he may have been born in bosnia but he was born of croatian parentage and was catholic but since he criticized your nazi majority i guess you arent too fond to accept him. i mean who was ivo andric anyway i mean he only won the nobel prize.

assasination of franz ferdinanand (not rock band guys)was done by Gavrilo Princip, a bosnian, but under a command of Serbian intel service, link here:
http://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gavrilo_Princip
Gavrilo Princip was a serbian born in bosnia however some of his accomplices in the black hand were in fact muslim.

those who praise ustasa (or chetnic for that matter
there is a world of difference between chetniks and ustashe. for instance chetniks didnt have concentration camps and they most surely didnt lure populations of whole settlements into churches for some butchering.


it's was not croats who suddenly started to live in serbian cities in the 60's, serbs lived all over our country like gypsies without a home. it was not us that live in other people's homes. it was you. it was not us who fled from those cities the very second the war started.
if you would bother to read cenzus reports in austrohungary you would see that about 1/3 of population of croatian territory were serbs. today less than 5% are left thaks to your genocidal policies. and its not true that we went there we were settled there to defend the land with our blood because as everyone knows serbs excel at war.

btw you havent really answered anything ive put out you just repeat yourself but thats typical from someone who takes his info from the battle on neretva and claims ustasha=chetniks.

oh and for your previous post i would just like to point out 2 things.
1st you say that serbs dont have the rights to croatia and bosnia and for the first part you are mostly right except for the krajna which was the land we fought for and earn and your country had illegally annexed and for bosnia there is no doubt that is serbian land. if you would take the time to study the historica maps you will find that bosnia was always inhabited by serbs and was ruled by kings of the nemanjic dynasty [i.e. serbs] sure some of them took up islam but that doesnt mean they are not serbs. there are people like those in serbia and we have no problems with them its just these balije that piss me off since they claim no affiliation with the serbs as if they somehow miraculously appeared as muslims in the balkans. well i guess that story is easier to take in that the fact that your grandfathers betrayed the faith of their ancestors and converted to gain privileges.
and 2nd i will also have you know that i dont condem all croats nor do i claim that all croats are nazi but if you speak about leadership that allied you with the nazis and made those concentration camps you have to remember that those people had to come to power somehow. and they came because the majority of croats were pro-nazi.

[KeweLi]

keweli you are british or Japanese ?

Chinese and British. A lot of Hong Kong people are British people has it was still a British colony 10 years ago.

[LSD_efect]

.
Ancient Macedonians were Greek.

you are stuped.fact

[Bonzy]

Because of what I see in this thread , you just lack arguments when arguing with berg and going mad because of it... he's not a bastard , but you just seem to dislike him because he answers all you write with a proper argument... so chill out , I don't wanna read you flaming like "you ****tard he was not bosnian , he was croatian" or similar. When you want to argue arm yourself with arguments , not insults.

[bibac_boom]

may i remind you that russian chief of staff has expressed the willingness to use a preemptive nuclear attack if russia or any of its allies are threatened.
btw serbia may not be what it once was i agree in fact it is a whole lot stronger now and so is russia. just look at putin and you know there is one badass who no one wants to mess with.

ye ye i was little boy that time but i think he or whoever was leader of Russia sead same thing and again Beograd was bombard and one more thing BUSH IS DUMBER THEN PUTIN AND THAT MAKES HIM EVEN GRATTER BADDASS SO STFU MAYBE U ARE OLD AND MORE EXP GOT BUT u have something in your head and u will not change it even when u die AND ONE MORE THING ABOUT 6 MORE COUNTRYS GOT NUKES AND RUSSIA IS ON 5 OR 4 PLACE LAST TIME I SAW MILLITARY STATISTIC they got only nuks and u know what everyone thinks about nuks
AND WHEN DID RUSSIA LAST TIME HAD WAR 80s in AFGANISTAN US IS HAVING WARS FORM WW2 EVERY 10 years DO RUSSIANS KNOW HOW TO HOLD THEY WEAPONS ? WHEN WILL U ANSWER ME DO U CARE ABOUT SERBS THAT LIVE IN BOSNIA AND HERZEGOVINA U JUST MUBBLING ABOUT SERBIA MAN WE DONT CARE SO MUCH ABOUT HERE WE CARE ABOUT PEOPLE

PS: KOSOVO IS PART OF SERBIA AND I THINK IT SHOULD STAY BUT YOUR GOVERMANT THAT U PICKED IN 90s DIDNT AND **** HAPPEND AND NOW ARE HAPPANING

[Bonzy]

Bibac , stop using the damn caps lock , this is a serious "peacefull" discussion.

[bibac_boom]

and berg i dont know how u can say U adult person to someone why didnt u answer my quesitons when even u arent answer not even 1/10 of questions u were given
about Gavrilo Princip i dont know what it says in W but hes mother****er with no brain who started ww1 and milions of people lost theyer lifes and muslims didnt had nothing to do with it
oo man u talk so much rubis i need 3 topics to write all
about ustasa and chetiks = same there are ustasa make CC and chetiks didnt and thet makes them better why dont u say what did they do on Drina
PEPOLE CHETIKS FULL 2 BARELS WITH HUMAN EYES they didnt make CC but they were barbarins who slaugther everyone on they path (mostly muslims) and they are breave warriors first fight against one enemy then fight with them against the peoples army i just cant belive that a adult person that know all of this and more still can defed killers and some "BRAVE WARRIORS" and i sead if i didnt now i will i dont like serbs like u and who call them self chetinks other serbs i love and maybe i ll have wife from serbia man as i sead people is what matters

[fatman69]

he may have been born in bosnia but he was born of croatian parentage and was catholic but since he criticized your nazi majority i guess you arent too fond to accept him. i mean who was ivo andric anyway i mean he only won the nobel prize.

if he was of bosnian parentage, and was a catholic, how can u claim him as a serb intelectual as u did 5 posts ago??

he was not against my pro nazi politics, CUZ I DONT SUPPORT ****IN NAZI POLITICS !! do i need to repeat it? i dont support ****in nazi, i dont support ****IN NDH, nor country with serbs. only thing i support is a free Croatian country that we have today. that is all we wanted throughout the history, sinnce we were forced in the union with Hungary in 12th century.

again, NDH (independet state of Croatia) was a good idea, but done very wrong. AGAIN, I'M AGAINST KILLING OF THE CIVILIANS, AND AGAINST VENGENACE AND RETRIBUTION if it implies killing innocent civilians.if you're so hot and patriotic go kill soldiers, not ****in old men and women. same goes for croats who did it, same goes for serbs who did it. it's unexcusable.


there is a world of difference between chetniks and ustashe. for instance chetniks didnt have concentration camps and they most surely didnt lure populations of whole settlements into churches for some butchering.

oh y chetnics were santa clauses's helpers... gimme a break. man that kills civilians to get even is a murderer. they were no better than ustase who were bastards.
and one more thing, this goes to your and (p)seto's attitude, i guess international history books are always wrong when they say smth that doesnt't fit you. checking austrohung reports for some demographical reports is ok, but 80% of books lie about chetnicks , huh (p)seto?



if you would bother to read cenzus reports in austrohungary you would see that about 1/3 of population of croatian territory were serbs. today less than 5% are left thaks to your genocidal policies. and its not true that we went there we were settled there to defend the land with our blood

what croatian territory, those are very subjective assumptions. if u claim it that was in slavonia, it's normal, the border is near and population flow was always big. if u claim dalmatia and krajina, then no, there were no serbs here until 1950's...

land of your blood,what land what blood, your lands are across danube, you don't belong here. you got your country so **** outta here. genocidal policies my ass, when did we do them?? give me the years of our genocidal policies and make me laugh.


because as everyone knows serbs excel at war.

yeah sure u do. when u fight unarmed civilians you're top class...unmatched warriors. but when 40 000 of your tank, artillery and infantry troops attack 600 infantry in Vukovar you certainly don't win so easy. yes, our guys evenutally lost. lack of logistical support, supplies. what was your excues for waging a battle for 6 months. our 600 troops defended that city for as twice as much as time your whole country defended itself in WWII. that's how you excell at war my friend...do i even need to comment what else happened in the last decade's war here?


btw you havent really answered anything ive put out you just repeat yourself but thats typical from someone who takes his info from the battle on neretva and claims ustasha=chetniks.

i never claimed ustasha=chetniks. i say their role was pretty much similar. brutes and barbarians. fighting on the same side in that battle and that battle was just taken as an example.


oh and for your previous post i would just like to point out 2 things.
1st you say that serbs dont have the rights to croatia and bosnia and for the first part you are mostly right except for the krajna

kninska krajna(in today's croatia) is , if u mean that by krajina, 300 kilometres from your country. u gotta be real moron to claim that land as yours. as for the rest of bosnia, it's not my country or mine to discuss so i won't.
my point is, we were and still are, proud christians. the land where we are now is ours, and it has been since 7th century. we finally got it as our own, and that desire has led to many blood spilling in history. NDH, again was a idea to get our country. our people were mislead and betrayed by their leaders once again. it proved to be the **** of the decade. we didn't want ethnical clensing, the fact that ustasa performed it remains correct. i said before, it was unfair, unhumane and unacceptable. our people didn't want that, we are only guilty for following bad leaders. but, the fact that someone makes a revenge and kills half a million of people as a revenge makes him even a more savage and uncivilised abomination. if you think the acts of ustas justifies your vengenace, you're so wrong, acts of others don't justify our behavior.
we got our country. we fought for it, we won the war and got it fair and square. if it were not for international community repucblic srpska (in bosnia) would not have existed. our troops were there in the 95. but orders came and we (ok not me, our troops, but my father was in that unit) were ordered even to stop the muslims of performing a massacre.
our country was recokngized as soveren by entire world, even your country.we now hold our lands, they were never yours. whethere you accept those facts, is up to you, not just berg. u can either go on, and fix your today's country, or dwell in the past and only claim how great u once (upon a time) you were.

[-toXic-]

Because of what I see in this thread , you just lack arguments when arguing with berg and going mad because of it... he's not a bastard , but you just seem to dislike him because he answers all you write with a proper argument... so chill out , I don't wanna read you flaming like "you ****tard he was not bosnian , he was croatian" or similar. When you want to argue arm yourself with arguments , not insults.

dont read it man,i dont know how to express my arrgments when everything i say berg have an answer which is NOT CORRECT.But it seem that everything that he says wrong he just pass it like it's nothing.BERG AS MORE U WRITE.U MAKE MORE MISTAKES.

[Bonzy]

dont read it man,i dont know how to express my arrgments when everything i say berg have an answer which is NOT CORRECT.But it seem that everything that he says wrong he just pass it like it's nothing.BERG AS MORE U WRITE.U MAKE MORE MISTAKES.

Well just give him arguments that prove he's wrong. If your arguments are bad (as they kinda were in some of your posts) he will surely answer you with his arguments. If you can't take the fact that he is proving you are wrong don't flame him , but try to disapprove what he is saying. That's all.

[SetoKaiba]

(p)setoja tebe nisam vredjao tako da iskuliraj. Ako se neslazes samnom nemoras da vredjas a i zabole me kurac da se sa tobom raspravljam na ove teme jer nema jebene poente.

[fatman69]

ja tebe nisam vredjao tako da iskuliraj. Ako se neslazes samnom nemoras da vredjas a i zabole me kurac da se sa tobom raspravljam na ove teme jer nema jebene poente.

y, my bad.. sry for insult
but that part about your attitued still goes...

[CaRaMBa]

Let me tell a story.
It's about the way how Hungary (my country) joined WW2:

26.07.1941: Unknown aircrafts bombarded ex-hungarian city Kassa (Cassovia/Kosice/Kaschau/Kasha or w/e), which now is the second biggest city of Slovakia.
Hungary sent a deputy to Russia to declare war. Molotov (current Russian minister) didn't want to believe it. Hungary doesn't have any vindications to Russia, and Russia demands only to stay neutral in the war, so he didn't understood. Molotov sent back the deputy with the following message to Hungary's prime minister: Consider the declaration of war as undone, forget it. When the deputy told it to the prime minister, he sent back the deputy again to declare war, because it's not the deputy's task to give suggestions to the prime minister, just to fullfill the orders.

December, 1941: Hungary declares war to the US and UK as well. The following dialog shows the reaction of USA at the Secretary of State to the declaration of war:

-What kind of country is this Hungary?
-It's a smaller kingdom in Western-Europe.
-Who is the king?
-Well, it doesn't have any king.
-Then who is the leader?
-Miklós Horthy Rear Admiral.
-Rear Admiral? And which sea is next to Hungary?
-Well, Hungary doesn't have any sea neighboring.
-Really? And what kind of problem does Hungary have with us?
-Nothing with us. They have territorial claims to Romania.
-Is Romania our ally?
-No, Sir. Romania is Hungary's ally. :D


The story is true :)

[-toXic-]

Well just give him arguments that prove he's wrong. If your arguments are bad (as they kinda were in some of your posts) he will surely answer you with his arguments. If you can't take the fact that he is proving you are wrong don't flame him , but try to disapprove what he is saying. That's all.

I already point about berg bad arguments but when he saw that's he is wrong he just started to answer some other questions.i think that berg dont know what is serbia and what was ex yu.He said something about mesa selimovic who wanted serbia;i mean it's just lol,but than he started to use google and wikipedia to answer some other questions...with sentence "FIRST OF ALL"
PS:where did u saw that i insulted any1???? YET

[sakky]

although i dont post messages lately, i visit xpam form times to times, and actually do read all those stuff around forums in here.
on this forum i watched kosovo topic in particular as we see it over here like it is some of political 'soap series'. i personally don't care if it gets independent, ends in serbia, or gets in albania or anything.
but i noticed writings of certain persons like berg. and some people actually speaking to him.

why do you bother answering or asking anything to him. read his posts over several forums and it will be all clear. what he said about srebrenica, chetniks, ww2, etc.

if you consider that as a topic to discuss with, and with a person like him, then do it, but i have my opinion and all neutral sources said same anyways. thing is that in serbia it is all about politics so let him do whatever he wants, such stories can't damage to bosnia/herzegovina as it only depends on informing of other normal people outside of serbia.
the bigger effect you can do if you don't reply to him.
anyways, i've read over some info portals that serbia made quite clear choice yesterday. now it only needs another verification. i guess he will be glad to hear it as of what i read around, he is just waiting for war to start so he can jump in.

on the other hand, when i am already about to post, let me tell you. many of the stories and claims are bullocks. i won't adress any of the 'legends' from serbia that you could have read in here about heroic resistance of chetniks belgrade etc or that chetniks even warred ustashas (partisans had numeround clashes, and had 7 great battles or '7 ofenziva' in which they fought germans, italians, ushashas and chetniks and all other enemies, and in 4th offensive which was battle of river neretva they fought against all of them and totally destroyed chetnik army, so much about story of chetniks winning ww2 and partisans jumping in suddenly with tito and all... but now let me someone show any of the big battles or offensives that chetniks had against hm... is it hard to find against hm... find it against ushashas!! use google as well, and find an objective source where you can find all those great offensives against ustashas that chetniks might had, like partisans did against all of them, including chetniks, in their countings... post here when you find one of them, is that much?).

one more thing. my city was full of scared cats during ww2. thats why they massively fleed with partisans in the woods. they weren't brave like in belgrade to sit in their homes so much most of the time.
official (not just partisan but neutral) history goes like this.
hitler sent ultimatum to yugoslavia. king accepted it. but then demonstrants came out shouting against it 'bolje rat nego pakt bolje grob nego rob' and that was rather a deed done by english inteligence agency than chetniks or communists as they both had their reasons not to tease hitler. but the ordinary people were generally against hitler. english inteligence did it so that they can stall hitler as much as possible on his way towards bases in greece, to save their own troops and give them time to prepare better. however, battle over yugoslavia ended much before germans expected it, in a week.
hitler got pissed and decided to bomb yugoslavian capital, and belgrade was then declared as 'open city' (and go read what does it mean). so much about 'yugoslavian leningrad' stories some of people wanna start in here. oh and here is more. belgrade got captured by few drunken german soldiers, one tourist and a crippled dog (yes this isnt a legend, but an official document :D). the reason why other yugoslav republics make fun about serbian 'historians' and their 'tales' are lies like this that they say about all stuff, rather than this being a humiliation. even bigger and stronger countries were huminated sometimes in their history by losing or having some realy humiliating fact, but when someone lies about it like this (hey i understand nobody likes to end up being loser or with something like this but its a fact), then its really pathetic. there are many more, but i mentioned this just to show how big lies they usually speak in serbian history, wait there are more lies like 'kosovo battle' in 14th century, and all the legends, legacy stories, etc etc.

now lets get back to mastar, that coward small place where people were so scared that majority had left the city together wth most of places around it...
thousands of the people returned on 14th february 1945 when mostar got liberated again. in the mean time they were in the woods. no matter what someone says, or tells that first official action was in croatia, the fact is that biggest battles were in bosnia and sandzak teritory and biggest casualties and most numerous actions of guerila and all that.
and now about the most famous battle on river of neretva, its also called 'bitka za ranjenike' - 'battle for woundeds'. first for those that don't know, germans werre killing 100 people for one killed german and 50 for wounded german soldier, and in the end, that actually led to a situation that e.g. after a clash with partisans, suicide mission, or mining a train, in which would say die 20 germans, wide area would be destroyed and people killed. so the people actually in the end joined partisans even if they weren't with them, they would massively run in the woods and side with them in the end. that is why in a battle of neretva there were tens of thousands of ill people, wounded, children, women old men and all following the partisan army.

significal moral story of that battle was in fact that tito's troops were surrounded by enemies and some of his officers were telling him to leave civilians and woundeds and flee away withhis rebel army. he refused to do it, it was a brave decision and that is a main point about which is the movie all about.
he made a cunning trick to make germans think they won't cross the neretva, which is fast wild and cold river in the mountain canyons high mountains and inaccessible terrain covered with big wood. they mined the bridge, but they made small bridge and crossed over overnight. then they ran onto chetniks and beated the **** out of them, making heaviest hit of all after which they never recouperated till the end of war.
many people stayed to hold the position of enemy from back while the liberation troops went forwards with their families together and they all knew it is a suicide mission on its own.
its not just that enemy was having stronger militarry, superior technology, that people had readiness to give their life for some cause, that partisans outsmarted them all, that they won the battle or anything else.
its is all about the message that a man had to choose and he chosen to stay with those people until the end so whatever happens it will happen to all, his troops and people going with him.
if the troops left them on their own, they would all be killed on sight, for the already mentioned fact of punishment 100:1 as well as 'helping the rebels'.

EDIT: link to the 4th offensive as well, i just googled for it too. http://www.slobodnajugoslavija.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=14444&sid=24e09c4adfc0a630ddb6a0d3f636d3d5

[Kominterna]

My country doesn't exist anymore :(
But will always live in my heart !

[fatman69]

why would it always live in your hear?what was so great about it, those 30 -40 years of your beloved country has set this are back so much. if not for that country serbia,slovenia, macedonia and bosnia could have been among top eu economical forces...

[Kominterna]

If there were no ''my country'' you and me would talk Itallian now.
And instead of pizza cut in Varoš, you would eat lasagne !

[fatman69]

i could still eat pizza in varoš since they're both italian dishes. but i'd ordered a black risotto :D

well i dissagree, italians suffered heavy losses in WW II, we would have gotten our beloved Dalmatia back very soon. even so, the states of yugoslavia could have all gone separate ways after the war was over and accept free enterprise (free trade with other countries) and try to make it on their own.
come to think of it, yugoslavia did an excellent job in balancing between USA and Russsian influence. which was good in one way, russian way of communism was definetly not good, but i believe if we had followed allies after WW II, they'd sold us all in a gippee...

[kranz]

Kominterna-what do you remember to be the best thing of SFR Jugoslavia?

ps:that's why I like Hitler-he fought with communists

[Kominterna]

i could still eat pizza in varoš since they're both italian dishes. but i'd ordered a black risotto :D

LoL, I'm dumb ! :D

well i dissagree, italians suffered heavy losses in WW II, we would have gotten our beloved Dalmatia back very soon.

I hate speaking about ''sto bi bilo kad bi bilo'' :)

But you liked it or not, SFRJ was a great country, and Tito...no words to describe his majesty !

[fatman69]

Kominterna-what do you remember to be the best thing of SFR Jugoslavia?

ps:that's why I like Hitler-he fought with communists

i don't remember anything (was born in 1987) so i can't say. the whole communism was basically a good idea. sharing the wealth so no1 is extremely poor, all the people working for the good of the country, the only problems came in it's practical application. people didn't work with same enthusiasm, people didn't share the same patriotism, and people were not even near equality in terms of social status. it was like in this book "Animal Farm" by George Orwell:
"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others...."

some people claim that unemployment rate practically dissappeared. it is because factories and such were forced to employ workers even when they were losing money while doing business. the state financed those factories/mines/shipyards but it was of no use. that kind of system would have broken down sooner or later.

i repeat, yugoslavia= like communism everywhere, good idea, done bad.

[Kominterna]

Kominterna-what do you remember to be the best thing of SFR Jugoslavia?

It is smth you cannot understand. I have no time to write long post about ''my country'' (I'm in library, so I have limited time =>> other ppl need to post their junk too xD) . Do you know what is comintern ?

When I will have more time, I promise I will write smth about ''my country''.

Off Topic; College sux (no time to **** anymore)

[kranz]

Why not?We also had communism in Poland but in "ended" earlier then in Yugo.However I'm 3 yrs older then you and I don't remember much from that time.So try me-did you have long queues in shops?Nothing on the shelves?Martial law with shooting to innocent people?Security Service(similar to Stasi or Securitata)And I know what Comintern was coz I'm studing history at the university.

[OMGBergrush]

BUSH IS DUMBER THEN PUTIN AND THAT MAKES HIM EVEN GRATTER BADDASS SO STFU
this is the one of the stupidest thing ive heard in my life[not joking] i seriously cannot make an answer to this

AND ONE MORE THING ABOUT 6 MORE COUNTRYS GOT NUKES AND RUSSIA IS ON 5 OR 4 PLACE LAST TIME I SAW MILLITARY STATISTIC they got only nuks and u know what everyone thinks about nuks
do you hear any of them threatening to use them? and russia has more nukes than all others combined and to top that off they have a very sophisticated leadership and most importantly an administration people actually have faith in.

WHEN WILL U ANSWER ME DO U CARE ABOUT SERBS THAT LIVE IN BOSNIA AND HERZEGOVINA U JUST MUBBLING ABOUT SERBIA MAN WE DONT CARE SO MUCH ABOUT HERE WE CARE ABOUT PEOPLE
if you mean the republika srpska well we are already taking care of them. if im not mistaken most of our expert goes to republika srpska followed by macedonia and montenegro which are the historical serbian zones of influence populated by serbian descendants. i dont know if you have been recently to bijeljina or banja luka because i have and since i have relatives in tuzla i can tell you that republika srpska has a higher standard and better supply than bosnian federation but thats just my opinion. the fact is that most of serbian export goes to republika srpska which should tell you something...

if he was of bosnian parentage, and was a catholic, how can u claim him as a serb intelectual as u did 5 posts ago??
its not so much that I claim him its nore along the lines of him living in serbia using serbian dialect and opposing croat nationalist that makes him more of a serb than some who are born as serbs today are.

he was not against my pro nazi politics, CUZ I DONT SUPPORT ****IN NAZI POLITICS !! do i need to repeat it? i dont support ****in nazi, i dont support ****IN NDH, nor country with serbs. only thing i support is a free Croatian country that we have today. that is all we wanted throughout the history, sinnce we were forced in the union with Hungary in 12th century.

again, NDH (independet state of Croatia) was a good idea, but done very wrong. AGAIN, I'M AGAINST KILLING OF THE CIVILIANS, AND AGAINST VENGENACE AND RETRIBUTION if it implies killing innocent civilians.if you're so hot and patriotic go kill soldiers, not ****in old men and women. same goes for croats who did it, same goes for serbs who did it. it's unexcusable.

first of all there were no serbian killings of women and children in ww2 at least not state sponsored like the croatian state with support of its foul church did.
and second if independence was what you wanted from hungary why didnt you stomp their balls in an uprising like we serbs did to turks...twice.
and furthermore if independence was what you wanted why did you join yugoslavia in the first place? no one forced you since all sides agreed the problem is that if you refused half of your land would have been given to serbia as compensation for its war loses. so basically you just used yugoslavia and the sacrifices of my people as your shortcut to independence.

what croatian territory, those are very subjective assumptions. if u claim it that was in slavonia, it's normal, the border is near and population flow was always big. if u claim dalmatia and krajina, then no, there were no serbs here until 1950's...

land of your blood,what land what blood, your lands are across danube, you don't belong here. you got your country so **** outta here. genocidal policies my ass, when did we do them?? give me the years of our genocidal policies and make me laugh.

kninska kraina was land given to serbs by the austria to defend against turks and we did. your claim that there were no serbs there before 1950 is an outright LIE!
http://xenohistorian.faithweb.com/europe/Austria-Hungary.jpg
this is the picture of ethnic distribution in austrohungary and as you can see red colour represents serbs which are present in slavonia krajna and 2/3 of bosnia. i dont mind you claiming bull**** like there were no serbs in krajna before 1950 but if you make such claims at least bring some proofs to back them up so you dont end up stupid like now.

makes a revenge and kills half a million of people as a revenge makes him even a more savage and uncivilised abomination. if you think the acts of ustas justifies your vengenace, you're so wrong, acts of others don't justify our behavior.
who killed 500k croatians when and where?

if it were not for international community repucblic srpska (in bosnia) would not have existed. our troops were there in the 95. but orders came and we (ok not me, our troops, but my father was in that unit) were ordered even to stop the muslims of performing a massacre.
our country was recokngized as soveren by entire world, even your country.we now hold our lands, they were never yours. whethere you accept those facts, is up to you, not just berg. u can either go on, and fix your today's country, or dwell in the past and only claim how great u once (upon a time) you were.
first of all the fall of yugoslavia was masterminded by the west in order to cement the victory of capitalism. the same way soviet union was destroyed or czechoslovakia.
if you think you had any real impact in the war you are very naive. and republika srpska wasnt generously given it was made in this way because slobodan milosevic threatened to mobilize the whole serbia and declare war if they dont piss off so the west didnt want to take chances with a madman.
even today you think you made some kind of victory when in truth serbia never waged war on croatia or bosnia they were merely paramilitary units or volunteers sent to protect serbian citizens in serb populated areas.
i mean how stupid can you be to think that croatia could without foreign assistance take on serbia which is twice as strong in manpower and armament not to mention having the most of the JNA`s commanding cadre.

[LSD_efect]

breaking news on CNN:
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INDEED.RUSSIA DONT HAVE MUCH NUKS AS U THINK BERG.

bijeljina or banja luka because i have and since i have relatives in tuzla i can tell you that republika srpska has a higher standard and better supply than bosnian federation but thats just my opinion. the fact is that most of serbian export goes to republika srpska which should tell you something...

MY DREAM IS TO FLY,OVER THE RAINBOW SO HIGH...
why dont u just use some statistic,,see how much they earn on year.

[fatman69]

first of all there were no serbian killings of women and children in ww2 at least not state sponsored like the croatian state with support of its foul church did.
unproved nationalistic bull**** from you, same as always... u think we knew what that state was gonna be like. why do u think ppl suddenly jonied partisans (rebels)? your rebels did those atrocities, can u imagine what would your country do?

and second if independence was what you wanted from hungary why didnt you stomp their balls in an uprising like we serbs did to turks...twice.
and furthermore if independence was what you wanted why did you join yugoslavia in the first place? no one forced you since all sides agreed the problem is that if you refused half of your land would have been given to serbia as compensation for its war loses. so basically you just used yugoslavia and the sacrifices of my people as your shortcut to independence.

our leaders, from century to century, betrayer by betrayer... and you sure as hell showed those nasty turks, you kicked their asses so hard they got to Wienna.
sacrifices of your people?what are you talking about, in yugoslavia serbs had THE BEST JOBS, 8/10 OF OFFICERS AND HIGH POSITIONS ADMINISTRATION were serbs. big ****in sacrifice living a cosy life. sacrifices my ass...all participated in that war for your info, so it wasn't your sacrifice only.


kninska kraina was land given to serbs by the austria to defend against turks and we did. your claim that there were no serbs there before 1950 is an outright LIE!
ofc there were some, your pretty map doesn't show percentages. those colours just mean that serbs lived there, but they don't show the ratio. and besides, austria gave you those lands?were those austrian lands to give?

again, you prove what i was basically saying, you didn't belong there, you were brought there as mercenaries. they gave them to every1 capable of leaving his homeland in search for money, the moral and principles of your people made them perfect candidates for the job.


who killed 500k croatians when and where?
who said croats, (NOT CROATIANS), i said civilians... srebrenica, Vukovar list goes on and on. it's cumulative, you couldn't kill half a mil of ppl in one place so easy.

first of all the fall of yugoslavia was masterminded by the west in order to cement the victory of capitalism. the same way soviet union was destroyed or czechoslovakia.
if you think you had any real impact in the war you are very naive. and republika srpska wasnt generously given it was made in this way because slobodan milosevic threatened to mobilize the whole serbia and declare war if they dont piss off so the west didnt want to take chances with a madman.

yea, ofc it was masterminded...capitalism conspiracy. ffs we have had enough crap from your people by then and it was time to go. i got first hand info that serbia started gathering weaponry in 1989 or even earlier, so let's think who would pull the trigger first.
can u really imagine what would have happened if your precious milosevic used his army. you really think it would have gone so smoothly. u'd have to defend from us and from those crazy-ass muslims. and i saw how good was the moral of your army when they retreated, so i guess those guys left in serbia wouldn't be any different.


even today you think you made some kind of victory when in truth serbia never waged war on croatia or bosnia they were merely paramilitary units or volunteers sent to protect serbian citizens in serb populated areas.
i mean how stupid can you be to think that croatia could without foreign assistance take on serbia which is twice as strong in manpower and armament not to mention having the most of the JNA`s commanding cadre.

well, we made our army from scrap, when the war started we had 0 weaponry, and 0 armed forces. by the end of the war number of soldiers climbed up to 500 000 people. this is a real fact not some mambo jumbo. by the 1995 our commanding cadre was well-organised, we were ready. you wouldn't enter croatia once more so easily...but i do agree that u had the advantage and better armament. hey most ofthe funds from yugo went to serbia..go figure who would have the best conditions

your army were volounteers???one time they're best warriors that won every war, another time, they're volunteers...they were military forces you trained, they were your people. your brave people... killing unarmed people, if they were volunteers why did they massacre our people for, for progressive retribution?? massacres from 1991 on were started by serbs, we wanted peaceful break up. if you say it was a revenge for WW II, then it shows how savage you really are. normal adult person should know better.
no1 would have touched your people (ok, i can't claim that 100%, there are always some vengeful ignorants on all sides, but there would be no genocide). i for once know serbs that stayed here, my best friend's mom is a serb. do i give a ****? no! if you're decent person you can be from ****in mars for all i care...some serbs fought alongside my father, he said he never respected any1 in war as them. guys that could have fled, but said no, we were born in zadar, we'll fight for zadar (my town).

you couldn't stand to lose all country from your grasp. world didn't respond in time because situation was critical everywhere so no1 payed attention to this area. if the situation were the same, you'd invade montenegro and kosovo the minute they said "indepen..." just because you know you got 4X more people and 10X more armament...

[KJunk]

Damn... no point to argue Berg. I am proud of my history. As every Serb. We should stop arguing, there is simply no point. It would be nice to came off the Serbia-Croatia-Bosnia-SFRJ topic and hear if there is someone else who wants to share his country's history so we can learn something.

[fatman69]

indeeed.

[OMGBergrush]

sacrifices of your people?what are you talking about, in yugoslavia serbs had THE BEST JOBS, 8/10 OF OFFICERS AND HIGH POSITIONS ADMINISTRATION were serbs. big ****in sacrifice living a cosy life. sacrifices my ass...all participated in that war for your info, so it wasn't your sacrifice only.
it was never that big of a majority. maybe 6/10 but thats the way it should have been anyway since we were the ones who made the state...twice and it was you who ruined the state...twice.

ofc there were some, your pretty map doesn't show percentages. those colours just mean that serbs lived there, but they don't show the ratio. and besides, austria gave you those lands?were those austrian lands to give?
it isnt about percentages it is about which ethnic group comprises the majority in which area of austrohungary
yes. they were austrian lands to give because they ruled them

again, you prove what i was basically saying, you didn't belong there, you were brought there as mercenaries. they gave them to every1 capable of leaving his homeland in search for money, the moral and principles of your people made them perfect candidates for the job.

who said croats, (NOT CROATIANS), i said civilians... srebrenica, Vukovar list goes on and on. it's cumulative, you couldn't kill half a mil of ppl in one place so easy.
here is a link about the srebrenica massacre since you illiterate knownothings keep mentioning it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SabukNnhuSg
and the reason the were mercenaries and volunteers is because serbia couldnt declare war without risk of western intervention since during those times we had no allies as the eastern block was defeated.

yea, ofc it was masterminded...capitalism conspiracy. ffs we have had enough crap from your people by then and it was time to go. i got first hand info that serbia started gathering weaponry in 1989 or even earlier, so let's think who would pull the trigger first.
can u really imagine what would have happened if your precious milosevic used his army. you really think it would have gone so smoothly. u'd have to defend from us and from those crazy-ass muslims. and i saw how good was the moral of your army when they retreated, so i guess those guys left in serbia wouldn't be any different.
moral of the army was low because many were shooting at their friends and most didnt even know what the war was about who was on which side and what the **** was going on. the situation is much different now. in the last call for military mobilization which was in october 2007 the answer was over 98%.

you couldn't stand to lose all country from your grasp. world didn't respond in time because situation was critical everywhere so no1 payed attention to this area. if the situation were the same, you'd invade montenegro and kosovo the minute they said "indepen..." just because you know you got 4X more people and 10X more armament...
of course we were fighting to preserve our country. we werent separatist scum like you bent on creating our own state. we wanted to keep what our fathers forget while it was you who wanted to destroy. and as for the retarded comments about us declaring war only when we are stronger or massacring innocent people please feel free to browse through our history. unlike yours which has only zrinski ours is so filled with great heroes and brave soldiers fighting against greater odds and managing to achieve victory. was karadjordje not outnumbered and outgunner by the turks? was peter i not outnumbered and outgunned by the austrohungarians? you just babble the bull**** you hear on your tv. the same tv that so desperately tries to reform your language so that it wouldnt be similar to serbian even though most of it sounds utterly retarded it doesnt matter as long as its not serbian...like i said....little man syndrome.

[sakky]

you seem not to listen.
you speak some stories to persons like him. like he cares.

why do you even bother.
in the end he wont change his opinion about a single thing. and you will become his replica just in 'lines' of your nation. do you really need that? no. cause you see how retarded it looks like when someone else looks at it. and does a person like him have any benefit out of it? what makes you think that you would then lol. would it make you feel better now when you talk to him or argue around? no.
its because you cant talk with such people. but best thing out there is that you don't have to.

It would be nice to came off the Serbia-Croatia-Bosnia-SFRJ topic and hear if there is someone else who wants to share his country's history

no there isn't. topic already got 'mobilized' as i see :D all people are trying to stay away of it, so i ll stay in trend with the latest happenings.

[fatman69]

ah christ, just look at this speech here and that summarizes all i got to say:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soeLHob5IJY

we didnt destroy that country, we didnt want it in the first place...at least the people didnt.. you didn't creat it by yourself, we all did. you ruled by yourself, and those percentages were pretty realistic at least in my town (WHICH IS WELL DEEP IN CROATIA) so wtf were they doing here..

your "forces" had bad morale cuz they were scum, not bcuz they were shooting at their friends. if they were so considerate why did they slaughter the families of their friends??pls man enough with your serb bullcrap, face your reality...your so called great army..a drunk ****in laughinstock, your country, hell, not even poor-ass albanians want to be with you, the countdown begins when Vojvodina will get separated.


hey and guess ****in what? that video, mostar, that was retribution... and they misquoted, those weren't croat-muslim forces. those were herzegov-muslim forces (HV= hrvatska vojska , croatian army, different thing from HVO hrvatsko vijeće obrane, herzegovinian army,they were scum, similar to serbian army, americans don't know that)

as far as the language goes, consult that video, that man's words are my thoughts. it's you who want us to be like yourself. moral wrecks, no human decency, impudent...we are not , i repeat, WE ARE NOT LIKE YOU, never have been and never will be.

[Bonzy]

I wanted to tell you some things on my mind about comunistic times of ex-YU.

When Tito came on head of formed Yugoslavia , he made strong and stable country. He made it the leading Balcan country and one of the strongest countries in Europe and maybe world. Economy was prospering , not fast , but with ok tempo. Military was very organised and in big number. Civilians were enjoying it. Why do I say this? Because of 2 reasons : 1.as my mother was always telling me , in yugoslavia under tito civilians had big salary that could feed them and their families , have a warm ok home , every criminalistic act was punished and there were no exeptions. 2nd reason why I tell this is because I saw many things on tv and many articlesproving what i said.
Yes , "traitors" also called cetniks were punished (mostly killed) and I consider that unfair , but looking from the other side it was done for stable strong yugoslavia(i DON'T APPROVE this , don't take me wrong).Also , one more bad thing was "forbidding" fate... Then , with tito's death all fell apart...

all i wanted to say is that civilians lived good in tito's time , had a lot of money and support of their country witch was strong and stable, yes , there were some bad things about it , but still , it would be better if this stayed then the thing that happened in 1991...

but then again that is just in my opinion

[fatman69]

all i wanted to say is that civilians lived good in tito's time , had a lot of money and support of their country witch was strong and stable, yes , there were some bad things about it , but still , it would be better if this stayed then the thing that happened in 1991...

but then again that is just in my opinion
y and your mother kinda stirred you wrong. people lived decently. people had homes,jobs and nice salaries, but how long could this go on. most factories weren't doing well, industry as a whole was unprofitable. it was financed just to keep the people happy.
as i said, good idea, but didnt go well

[OMGBergrush]

I wanted to tell you some things on my mind about comunistic times of ex-YU.

When Tito came on head of formed Yugoslavia , he made strong and stable country. He made it the leading Balcan country and one of the strongest countries in Europe and maybe world. Economy was prospering , not fast , but with ok tempo. Military was very organised and in big number. Civilians were enjoying it. Why do I say this? Because of 2 reasons : 1.as my mother was always telling me , in yugoslavia under tito civilians had big salary that could feed them and their families , have a warm ok home , every criminalistic act was punished and there were no exeptions. 2nd reason why I tell this is because I saw many things on tv and many articlesproving what i said.
Yes , "traitors" also called cetniks were punished (mostly killed) and I consider that unfair , but looking from the other side it was done for stable strong yugoslavia(i DON'T APPROVE this , don't take me wrong).Also , one more bad thing was "forbidding" fate... Then , with tito's death all fell apart...

all i wanted to say is that civilians lived good in tito's time , had a lot of money and support of their country witch was strong and stable, yes , there were some bad things about it , but still , it would be better if this stayed then the thing that happened in 1991...

but then again that is just in my opinion

you know bonzy that system just like tito`s rule was a failure and i will elaborate why.
since post war europe was devastated the americans planned a marshall plan to give money[not credit... GIVE MONEY] to all european states. all countries under ussr rule had to refuse while tito CHOSE not to accept the aid. very smart move.
as more and more of europe advanced and rebuilt credits were becoming less and less profitable and it was in this phase that tito took a lot of credits. unlike other countries however which used to them to build up industry agriculture and educate people in yugoslavia it was used to bribe the populace into obedience. factories were underdeveloped and technologically lacking and were overstaffed by 3-10x more workers than was necessary. universities promoted those politically fit instead of those who excelled at particular fields so if you were stupid and obedient you got a diploma and a high position while if you were smart and hard working you got relocation or jail. thats why the system failed. thats why so many privatized factories are closed down or being remodeled. thats why so many people are losing jobs in privatized sectors and thats why we are all still knee deep in international debt that was made 50+ years ago

[`AVAX]

you are stuped.fact

That's the truth you imbecil, it's not my fault that you're too young to understand anything.

P.S. I believe it is spelled Stupid.

edit by xfire: please, watch your manners..

[fatman69]

That's the truth you imbecil, it's not my fault that you're too young to understand anything.
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which kinda supports my theory that only serbs know what happened...

[oOGen.LaZOo]

Republic of Macedonia , was split in 3 parts , only one part is free nowadays and the biggest missing (stolen) part is in Greece . With other words , the region they call Macedonia is the one stolen from the real Macedonia and it's name hasn't been changed because they wanted the history of it too . They used the chance to grab it so they can admit to it and why don't THEY change the name into FMRG Former Macedonian Republic of greece

[OMGBergrush]

Republic of Macedonia , was split in 3 parts , only one part is free nowadays and the biggest missing (stolen) part is in Greece . With other words , the region they call Macedonia is the one stolen from the real Macedonia and it's name hasn't been changed because they wanted the history of it too . They used the chance to grab it so they can admit to it and why don't THEY change the name into FMRG Former Macedonian Republic of greece

this is the stupidest thing ive ever heard. everyone knows there is no such thing as macedonian nation. there was and still is a macedonian region but it was never populated by macedonians rather by a mixed serb bulgarian and greek population. to support this opinion i present the fact the tsar dushan was crowned as Emperor and Autocrat of the Serbs, Greeks, Bulgarians, and Albanians because the territories he held were as follows
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/dd/Dusanova_Srbija200.jpg/464px-Dusanova_Srbija200.jpg
if some of you so-called macedonians would explain to me why emperor dusan didnt include macedonians on list i would really like to hear it now.
on a side note my uncle worked in the cadre of serbian language during sfrj and a colleague of his got the job of making the macedonian language and standardizing it and furthermore some of my relatives which were serbians from macedonia were instructed to change their last names by removic the -ic part so the only the -ov or the -ski would remain. this all server to prove that the break up of yugoslavia was planned far in advance and that the macedonians just like bosnians are a made-up nation.

[Lord Darius]

Oh my God, this is the first time I hear Macedonians saying their descendants are ancient Macedonians, ridiculous, do you even know a thing about history?

[oOGen.LaZOo]

Now tell me , what do you know about history ? Nothing ! so you steal other nations' history ... i can tell you what was happening with macedonia from 884 BC till Nowadays

[Lord Darius]

Now tell me , what do you know about history ? Nothing ! so you steal other nations' history ... i can tell you what was happening with macedonia from 884 BC till Nowadays

Yes, I can learn you a whole history book about ANCIENT Macedonia, wich has nothing in common with NEW Macedonia.

[oOGen.LaZOo]

Have you ever learned History , what do they teach you ? BULL**** ! MKD has more history then both of Serbia and Albania together

[Lord Darius]

Have you ever learned History , what do they teach you ? BULL**** ! MKD has more history then both of Serbia and Albania together

Oh my God, are you so retarded or you're just ignoring me?
I will use the term NEW again.

NEW Macedonia (also known as FYROM) is not the same as ANCIENT Macedonia because there are no historical proof that you have anything in common at all, I'm not coming back here cause I can see you're not trying to understand.

[oOGen.LaZOo]

Proofs ? Don't be pathetic pls . Here is the interesting part :

The kingdom of Macedon took over Paionia in 336 BC and conquered the southern border regions, as well as Pelagonia under Philip II.[7] The kingdom of Paeonia was reduced to a semi-autonomous, subordinated status.[8] Philip's son Alexander the Great (356–323 BC) managed to briefly extend Macedonian power over Paeonia but the native dynasty however, continued to be highly respected. In 280 BC the Gallic invaders ravaged the land of the Paeonians, who being further hard pressed by the Dardani, join the Macedonians, whose downfall they shared. Generally the Paeonians continued to live autonomously until the coming of the Romans on the Balkans. Subsequently the territory became part of two Roman provinces. The greater part of it was within Macedonia Salutaris, but the northern border regions- inhabited by the Dardani- became a part of Moesia Superior.[9] By 400 AD, however, the Paeonians had lost their identity, and Paionia was merely a geographic term. One of the most significant archeological remnant of Macedon are the ruins of Heraclea Lyncestis founded by Philip II of Macedon near what is now Bitola.


and the divided mkd :
Following the two Balkan wars of 1912 and 1913 and the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire, its most of its European held territories were divided between Greece, Bulgaria and Serbia.

Both text were taken from wikipedia

[Lord Darius]

Oh my god, on second thought you are really a retard, I'll let Berg explain it to you cause you're a pain in the ass.

Read what you took from wikipedia please, that history is about ancient Macedonia...

[oOGen.LaZOo]

Who's the retard now ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Macedonia Check the History part pls ....


and watch your manners 'cos you can easily get banned for that low pathetic manner of yours

[Lord Darius]

and watch your manners 'cos you can easily get banned for that low pathetic manner of yours

I said there are no proof about Macedonians being descendants of Alexander the Great and stuff like that.

I'm Thrall, I'm going to get banned anyway :)

[oOGen.LaZOo]

Heraclea Lyncestis is one of the cities of the Macedon nation . It's located in Bitola, second most populated city in Mk .

Second , Thrall i knew it was you .. who is the bad ass around here? xD

[fatman69]

Heraclea Lyncestis is one of the cities of the Macedon nation . It's located in Bitola, second most populated city in Mk .



no no don't be a liar. you don't exist, you are serb. every1 in europe is a decendant of serbs...
macedonians people don't exist, myb you don't know it bcuz your're not smart. at least not as smart as a serb.

[OMGBergrush]

Proofs ? Don't be pathetic pls . Here is the interesting part :

The kingdom of Macedon took over Paionia in 336 BC and conquered the southern border regions, as well as Pelagonia under Philip II.[7] The kingdom of Paeonia was reduced to a semi-autonomous, subordinated status.[8] Philip's son Alexander the Great (356–323 BC) managed to briefly extend Macedonian power over Paeonia but the native dynasty however, continued to be highly respected. In 280 BC the Gallic invaders ravaged the land of the Paeonians, who being further hard pressed by the Dardani, join the Macedonians, whose downfall they shared. Generally the Paeonians continued to live autonomously until the coming of the Romans on the Balkans. Subsequently the territory became part of two Roman provinces. The greater part of it was within Macedonia Salutaris, but the northern border regions- inhabited by the Dardani- became a part of Moesia Superior.[9] By 400 AD, however, the Paeonians had lost their identity, and Paionia was merely a geographic term. One of the most significant archeological remnant of Macedon are the ruins of Heraclea Lyncestis founded by Philip II of Macedon near what is now Bitola.


and the divided mkd :
Following the two Balkan wars of 1912 and 1913 and the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire, its most of its European held territories were divided between Greece, Bulgaria and Serbia.

Both text were taken from wikipedia

your logic is unfortunately flawed and i will explain why:
you claim that your macedonia is the same as the historic helenistic macedonia which is ridiculous because if i applied the same logic to serbia and instead of Heraclea Lyncestisused i used Lepenski Vir
[It is assumed that the people of Lepenski Vir culture represent the descendants of the early European population of the Brno-Předmost hunter gatherer culture from the end of the last ice age. Archeological evidence of human habitation surrounding caves dates back to around 20,000 BC. The first settlement on the low plateau dates back to 7000 BC, a time when the climate became significantly warmer.] i would get the conclusion that serbs are one of the most ancient people in europe because this ancient settlement is located in our borders.

you also clam macedonia heritage based on alexander the great who lived ~350bc while the slavs settle the balkans somewhere in 6-7 centuries. so you claim heritage of people whom you came into contact 1 millennium after the said historic event...thats just absurd.

and since you claim legacy of ancient greeks why are your countrymen not greek orthodox but rather serbian orthodox? why is their language not greek but rather a serbo-bulgarian mix?
i doesnt hurt too much to start reading and thinking you know because if your only souces if info are you government propaganda you will only end up looking stupid all the time just like now.

no no don't be a liar. you don't exist, you are serb. every1 in europe is a decendant of serbs...
macedonians people don't exist, myb you don't know it bcuz your're not smart. at least not as smart as a serb.
my motto is facts and reason over bull**** and lies. i would think its the reverse for you

[oOGen.LaZOo]

no no don't be a liar. you don't exist, you are serb. every1 in europe is a decendant of serbs...
macedonians people don't exist, myb you don't know it bcuz your're not smart. at least not as smart as a serb.

That's irony is sooo true . Our neighbors up here are trying to make the whole world serbian . Einstein was serbian , Alexander the Great too , Paris Hilton = serbian , Kim Sung Il = serbian , Mandela = serbian , Evrything is serbian ...........................

[fatman69]

no no, only good things. if it's good it's from serbia or it isn't good at all...




my motto is facts and reason over bull**** and lies. i would think its the reverse for you

well ofc it is,i'm not from serbia...

[Lord Darius]

I hope you're saying that in sarcasm.

[[GOD]Marko]

Berg... they are stupid, gg no re...

edit by xfire : manners, no one did ever insult you here.

[Lord Darius]

Marko;704950']Berg... they are stupid, gg no re...


Someone take care in educating this guy before someone breaks his jaw.

[fatman69]

no no let the dude speak... at least you can tell by his manners where he's from...

[[GOD]Marko]

LOL LOL LOL I'm from LOL LAND :D

http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Serbia

[fatman69]

and from that complex mind that doesn't understand sarcasm, your origin is once again figured out...

[XFIRE]

and from that complex mind that doesn't understand sarcasm, your origin is once again figured out...

Check the link, it is exactly what serbs dream of their country :)

[-toXic-]

wtf....lol????which idiot wrote this ****....funny how serbia is BIG on eu map:P

[Lord Darius]

no no let the dude speak... at least you can tell by his manners where he's from...

Classic ownage.

By the way, I noticed the encyclopedia is named uncyclopedia, wich of course some Serb made, pity.

[Slayzer]

i knew this thread was a bad thing just bcuz of retards like berg that don't acknowlidge world history and say that : "only serbs know what happened"

serbs fought against germans?? lol....serbs kicked enemy... heavy lol...
i'll just make u skip your further comments berg. both the ustasa fighters on cro side and chetnics on serb side were pro nazi. if not pro nazi then definetly not against.
if not so, how come the partisans (commies) fought against both chetnicks and germans?? if you don't admit go find books about "Battle on Neretva", go watch the ****in movie...if they fought against germans and chetnicks (and ustasha for that matter) how can u claim such stupidities?

and to again comment in advance, partisans were mainly croats, thier leader Tito was born in Croatia, bosnians and serbs were not so numerous at start, but conveniently joined them at the very end of the war...

point 6. - you were sentenced innocent, by the same tribunal that u spit on for taking "your soldiers" for recent war. funny, when court sentences you innocent it's valid court, when it says you're guilty you're like: OMG those lieing bastards... and btw, it was retribution for what?

one more thing de facto means real, current state. so what you're basically saying is that gen. nedic's forces were under real german command...

go brush up on your history and while your at it get a ****in brain and learn some english

[EDIT] y i agree with -toxic- 100%,no1 shouldnt be proud to be either chetnic or ustasha....it's a ****ed up thing. and y i remember that thread berg said, i got a comment saved for that.

i would advise you to back off with such words for you have no idea what you are talking about.


its not about you believing me or putting your distorted malicious and antiserb point of view im talking about FACTS!

fact 1. serbs didnt agree to steal someone elses land in ww2 even though it was offered to them for practically free
fact 2. serbs threw down the goverment that sign the pact with germans
fact 3. in serb populated areas the answer to mobilization in `41 was ~80-90% in croat populated areas it was less than 30%
fact 4. serbs actively fought the nazis during whole war time
fact 5. there was no serbian ss division although there were units in nedic`s serbia which were under the de facto command of german ss they were never under direct order and didnt wear ss insignia
fact 6. srebrenica was an act of retribution and serbia was proven innocent by the tribunal of war crimes for planning to commit such an act
my opinion: you are a jealous serb hating scum

1)I am not informed about that
2)because we were enough stupid and stupid cominusts have done that
3)same as 1. no one can prove that now even if that could be correct
4)that is true which u can find everywere
5)-II-
6)look man no one can prove anything about that war coz to many crimes and bad things have happened on the both sides Milosevic and Arkan were criminals so u cant say that there were not such things
AND STOP ARGUING about that history books in each Balkan countries are diferent coz dictators didnt want to be written about bad thing they did, I heard that some historicans from Balkans countries have geathered and that they are making something like united history of our nations which will be based on facts and which will probably be the most correct one.

[fatman69]

Classic ownage.

By the way, I noticed the encyclopedia is named uncyclopedia, wich of course some Serb made, pity.

no it's a parody site that shows countries in a sarcastic way. but their sarcasm is usually well deserved. i saw about croatia how we made coffee drinking a national sport. i laughed to death. and y it said how lazy we are . again very true. serbia was done also very good. those proud nationalists should go and look at it

[Bonzy]

fatman , your disliking of Serbia is really shown in this thread by your sarcasm witch is disappointing , I thought you hold more wisdom... pity that you don't understand that act of one man isn't the act of whole land... go go , be a Serbia hater , you have shown your face. I hope you like what you write.

[fatman69]

fatman , your disliking of Serbia is really shown in this thread by your sarcasm witch is disappointing , I thought you hold more wisdom... pity that you don't understand that act of one man isn't the act of whole land... go go , be a Serbia hater , you have shown your face. I hope you like what you write.

you thought i held more wisdom.. meaning i'm stupid for not liking smth, not liking your country?? i guess you don't see even a tiny bit of arrogance and self-centredness

and i never said i hated serbia.i prefer too keep my opinion for myself. i never said i liked it either. but the thing i hate is your spreading of false info about your "uber land" and u don't see it. no1 believes your crap. i like the things i wrote cuz i mean them...if you can't face some true facts than it's not my problem...

[Lord Darius]

you thought i held more wisdom.. meaning i'm stupid for not liking smth, not liking your country?? i guess you don't see even a tiny bit of arrogance and self-centredness

and i never said i hated serbia.i prefer too keep my opinion for myself. i never said i liked it either. but the thing i hate is your spreading of false info about your "uber land" and u don't see it. no1 believes your crap. i write the things i write cuz i mean them...if you can't face some true facts than it's not my problem...

Totaly agree.

[Bonzy]

you thought i held more wisdom.. meaning i'm stupid for not liking smth, not liking your country?? i guess you don't see even a tiny bit of arrogance and self-centredness

and i never said i hated serbia.i prefer too keep my opinion for myself. i never said i liked it either. but the thing i hate is your spreading of false info about your "uber land" and u don't see it. no1 believes your crap. i like the things i wrote cuz i mean them...if you can't face some true facts than it's not my problem...

1.You are surely stupid if you don't like or hate regular Serbian , who doesn't care about politics , because , at least 50% of Serbians don't even care about our politicians and don't even vote on elections or vote just like that , who isn't following situation in our land and is basicly concentrated on his own life and his beloved. People who dislike these people are stupid and have limited mind and they are not a good men.
2.Quote any post or any sentence where I posted any false fact or where I called my land is "above all".
3.Get manners , it's not biggy , but words like "**** , crap" etc are not welcome here as far as I know.
4.again , I don't take you for stupid but limited.

regards , bonzy

[OMGBergrush]

no no, only good things. if it's good it's from serbia or it isn't good at all...



well ofc it is,i'm not from serbia...
once again you write a stupid reply with no facts at all and you humor is distasteful. if you dont want to participate in a serious discussion either say gg berg your facts pwnt me or just disappear because you are just spamming.

That's irony is sooo true . Our neighbors up here are trying to make the whole world serbian . Einstein was serbian , Alexander the Great too , Paris Hilton = serbian , Kim Sung Il = serbian , Mandela = serbian , Evrything is serbian ...........................
i never claimed those people to be serbian. in fact we serbs have had so many great people we dont need to claim others as our own which is sadly not the case with croatians[nikola tesla] and you macedonians[alexander the great]. so before you make a fool of your self yet again i suggest you actually read my posts and then reply to them in the same manner and not some stupid sarcasm post which is 1. distasteful 2. lacking in facts and 3. borderline spam

[fatman69]

once again you write a stupid reply with no facts at all and you humor is distasteful. if you dont want to participate in a serious discussion either say gg berg your facts pwnt me or just disappear because you are just spamming.
nah, it's a comment on your attitude. YOURS IN PARTICULAR berg,you serbs...ah, only non-serb people u like are just ass-lickers. if some, god forbid, says a bad thing about your precious country he's a undeducate moron. lol...do i have to like every bloody country? NO! and if your land is so great, how come no1 want