This is for all players who play pub games because "there are not enough ss"

[-eXtasY-]

There was many discussions considering this subject , many long posts , many trys to explain , but still we didn't get effect we wanted. So i decided to give you real info/statistics , so u can see by yourself how many players ss have in every moment. As u will notice in every moments there are ~52 safelisted players online , lets say 10 with topaz , so there are enough players for 4 ss games ! Now u can see that the only reason why u cannot play an ss game is players mentality who rather start noobish pub then w8 10 min to play good private game. All i ask from you is to read this carefully and make your own conclusion.


http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/9140/ssstatusjj4.jpg

[Ykc]

mby they dont want to play your noob ss games but rather enjoy the pleasure of pub imba gosu games?

[Ludwiczek]

to play ss game you need at least 70-90 min free time,
you need focus on game and give your best, dont eat, drinking, smoking weed or watching tv, you need be in good condition and not stressed

and there are problem with players, first not enought players
and when you have 10 and want host, all want more slots or playing with non ss friends,

about my ss playing, I HATE spam and talking, when i host pub or priv
i can kick or ban spammers talkers, in ss i cant kick and noobs dont want
stop talking bull****, and on my banlist i have some ss players too, and
i dont want play with them too...

i love fast own, using skills, combos gangs not only farm like *** :)
(sorry tay its not for you cose you are good and proper farmer ;)
but in ss game i see no one enjoying team action fast action, all want
go wood and farm 80 min, then come back on mid and push in 1 min...

i play many game with low cs, like pudge rasta lina, on early game
i good cs but when lvl 11 i start killing and action, no wood no creeping

i work from time to time, and when playing i usually watching tv, eating
alt+tab or whatever, and i stressed or not in humour, so easy to make my angry ;)

and some of my friends are not ss too, and i like playing with them too

so i can fast organise and play few pubs or privs, yes most of them sux
but we can rmk, we can ban, we can kick, we can all... and its funny
and from time to time good games are

about heros
in ss games not all heros are good, especialy funny early-mid game heros,
in pub we can take them and have fun and combos and action,
in ss main idea is late game farmer which no play just farm...

and i hate lie about lag delay..
if i see ping ~78ms latency 70 ms... but players make stupid or shame action they call
omg 4 sec delay we cant play,

and one more thing...
i dont want know WHAT YOU ARE PLAYIN IN WINAMP when i play dota! ;)

turn off all **** like msg and winamp and focus on game

ps.
today i want play ss game but... i want play with my friend cro_janje
i forgot he take ban for ss... so we will owning pub games

[VengefulSpammer]

about my ss playing, I HATE spam and talking, when i host pub or priv
i can kick or ban spammers talkers

n/c for this. really


i dont want know WHAT YOU ARE PLAYIN IN WINAMP when i play dota!
so what there are other people not just you

in ss main idea is late game farmer which no play just farm...

not true. play sometimes with me and you will see that i usually get rhasta/bane/ogre/lion etc and my inventory is bad cuz i want to gang not to farm

to play ss game you need at least 70-90 min free time,

it is better to spend 70-90 minutes for good game than to play shorter pubbie with leavers and feeders. btw, if you dont have time, you can play something like pg.

[Ludwiczek]

n/c for this. really

so what there are other people not just you


i dont undersntand it... can explain?


not true. play sometimes with me and you will see that i usually get rhasta/bane/ogre/lion etc and my inventory is bad cuz i want to gang not to farm


you are not "all ss players", you take 1 hero and no farm and what?
others take and no farm too??


it is better to spend 70-90 minutes for good game than to play shorter pubbie with leavers and feeders. btw, if you dont have time, you can play something like pg.


i dont like pg, i like only dota, and yes, i prefer 9 fast pubs instead 1, 90 min,
especialy when it can be ended in 50 min but all want nice items

i can play fast 2 pubs, break for fast work and upload reslutls to laboratory,
then 1 next pub or 3, braek for some ****, etc

and from time to time i need break all and go or make sth, like chief call and remmeber to upload 500 mb data on firm server...
so what can i do? sorry ss palyers i need break for upoad 500 mb can you wait a bit?
or familly connect laptop and make video conferece on skype or some **** msg, and my connection slower

[snvforever]

you can see in mods statistics that 40% ss players dont play ss games!
so it seems that ludwiczek is not the only one that have time problems or any other problems on ss!

[Sns]

..useless blabla..

It's clear that #ss isnt made for players like you, so stay in your pubs & dont waste your (& #ss players) time with your complainings about #ss game.

I hope to not see you anymore on #ss forum...

[Ludwiczek]

and its all about you, proud ss palyers, you want make sth good, want known other opinion but when someone dont tell what you want and thats
all correct, he is evil...

i said my point of view and what i feel,
i join ss for play better games when i want (from time to time)
but it is not my main lifetarget

"I hope to not see you anymore on #ss forum..."

ok... its your choice bye, and thx all friends, if you want find me you know where you can do it

ps

sorry for wasted time

[ss-Kenyshor]

You're missing the real thing here lolo : DotA , like any other games/map it's a thing that needs your ATTENTION, it wasnt made for you to start game, alt tab, browse google, chat with friends, drink a beer('tho you can do this, but not to much), or any other things. I know that you think you're multi-tasking(like the fscking microsoft windows), but it's not going to work. If you wanna play a game..then you should PLAY IT, because you want to do it, right?. If not, there are many other games that you could start like, solitare(you can afk here all day if you want), chess with computer,etc. Real time strategy looks like it isnt for you. My thoughts.

[Ludwiczek]

but dont aree with me that ss game need more atention then pub?

[Nazgul]

Most of people who aren't safelisted, join this 'community' just to get access to the bot, as far as I am concerned, or simply to show off, like this: "Wow m3 pr0 m3 ss!". They are not just empty words, as ONLY ~9% ss users play private dota games.

Is it funny? Of course, it is.

You made this ss-thingy not only to play good private games, but also to chat @ ss channel. Ok, Ok, I understand, but why do you join ss only to sit at topaz on it ?

What is the point of my post?

Time for a revolution has come, if you wanna improve it.

[OMGBergrush]

i support Ludwiczek because he has a good point

[Artificial]

but dont aree with me that ss game need more atention then pub?
lol dude obviously..

[YoP.Shinigami]

It IS really funny that not more ppl play ss games.. or sad perhaps :S I think main reason is that u have lots of friends who arent safelisted, and I (for one) rather plays with my mates in a pub, then ss games without them. ofc, when thery're not online, I go and check ss channel, hang around looking for game, but they rarely come.. and all in channel almost always sleeping ;/

[snvforever]

ludwi dont argue with kids! i learn that you cant say nothing against ss in this forum even when you try to improve something or try to change something on better! even when you want to say only what you think about something,you always get retarded answer by some 9 year old kid that stare 20 hours to dota!
or 29 year old kid that stare 20 hours to dota!

you are right about ss dota! players only farm farm farm! so ****ing boring! all players are so scared to die or do something wrong! because they will get -rep point! haha
so teamplay is on very low level! you can blink 100 times for help or to gang somebody but nothing happends because "omg...i will die..w8 sec just to buy 2 hearts 3 hyperstones and 1 blink and ill come to help" !
omg i see better teamplay on pub! sometimes!

and what about item build? ? ? dont you even think to make bad items like s&y because in dota scripts s&y is useless item! :) GOD will hit you with lightning bolt if you make s&y!!! maybe you even get -rep point as noob!
you are noob when you make item on your own, and not item what you MUST make! dont make lagoon on tinker because you will die more often and your team will lose and world will collapse and there will be no more dotaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh.............!

so my conclusion is where is fun and relaxation in ss dota?
im not so proud like other players in ss and i can admit: maybe im just to noobish to play in ss! there is no problem in ss! ludwi we are noobs!!!
kids just play better than you and me and we have to get over it :comp:
now you look like this :chief:
lets not :argue: here and see you in game

:peace:

[Nery]

This is an :offtopic: message.
Ignore it, just don't quote it.

mby they dont want to play your noob ss games but rather enjoy the pleasure of pub imba gosu games?

omg ykc unbanned
ban him again:read:

[Sns]

I agree that #ss game is a lot about farming, and I also hate that... And that delay on this server kill me... But I dont whine and complaining all the time, I think everyone is aware of this, and they try to change it (ex : Bot for no delay game)

If you dont like #ss game, just don't play it ! But don't come here saying How pubs are better than ss priv game... bull****s

It's like your thread about GGc, you go there and play 7-8 games, u didnt like it..ok... but coming here and saying to everyone that GGc sux and nobody should play there is rly not needed and stupid.

There are games for every kind of player, it's obvious that you are a pubber, and pub games are made for you... You can control everything, you feel the power, with your Banlist & your Custom Kick...etc...

About me, I'm not an active player, i'm always on topaz to talk & joke with some friends (very few)...

I play maybe 2-3 games in a month and most of time on GGc, but when I see a game hosted with the new Bot & if I have time to play, I play that game !

[-eXtasY-]

Common guys , we are totaly losing the point. You dont like to play ss, you think that pubs are more relaxing for you, that is fine , i respect your opinion , but WHY did you post safelist request then? You are knew that games are more serious . The main reason why most players joined ss is because they had a chance to play games without feeders , quiters, where they must not be flamed , insulted etc. But obviously for some , its more interesting to have noobs in games , make 5:0 in first 5 min on someone , get imba items and feel the power of owning, so damn cool.
So if you are not going to play games #ss , please stop wasting our time with your reqs. We are not here to watch mass replays just to give you right to join pub and say "Hey noobs im ss, im pro !!!!" ? Have a little respect to our work, im really confused now.....

[ss-Kenyshor]

Trust me, if you're good you can play very relax, nobody will kick you out off for a bad game. Well, if you keep on doing it..than maybe.

[Snakebit33]

Most ss people play in pubs . Come on what's wrong with that ? Why play pubs if you joined ss ?

Admins please make a rule that if you dont leave pub when a ss game needs players you get -1 rep .

If people provide a reason why they cant join ss game then its okay no -rep but otherwise -rep.

Come on this should have been implemented long time ago . Its the only way to get ss people play more privs.

[Ludwiczek]

sns, try read my post at least 3 time and then answer, cose you dont want or just dont understnad what i want to say,

nvm delete my posts or ban me but pls... stop talking bull****...
i dont want discus with you but you still make some post to argue with me

only berg read it carefuly and understand?
im not attacker, in not offence, i just said facts

if you want imporve ss, you need stop behave like you already bahave

to improve sth you need know others point of view and weak points
to improve sth you need sacrifice sth, if you want i can sacrifice me to
make you more proud

i know my english is poor so mayby misunderstands are cose it is so poor

i dont want continue discusion but when i see what i seen i need answer

[Artificial]

yeah sure, if someone doesn't agree with you, that means he didnt read your post?

[Ludwiczek]

"But don't come here saying How pubs are better"

its lie... i dont said it

"GGc sux and nobody should play there"

again lie....

i just said its not true that ggc is always good

[snvforever]

Common guys , we are totaly losing the point. You dont like to play ss, you think that pubs are more relaxing for you, that is fine , i respect your opinion , but WHY did you post safelist request then? You are knew that games are more serious . The main reason why most players joined ss is because they had a chance to play games without feeders , quiters, where they must not be flamed , insulted etc. But obviously for some , its more interesting to have noobs in games , make 5:0 in first 5 min on someone , get imba items and feel the power of owning, so damn cool.
So if you are not going to play games #ss , please stop wasting our time with your reqs. We are not here to watch mass replays just to give you right to join pub and say "Hey noobs im ss, im pro !!!!" ? Have a little respect to our work, im really confused now.....

i dont agree in this part of playing vs noobs! i dont like playing vs noobs! that is boring too! but i dont see so many action in ss like in pub! plp are free in pub! in ss it seems like players play under pressure! they are scared not to ****ed up,they are shamed if they lose like they play for money! i dont play much now,one reason im banned 2 weeks but nvm that,and second reason is i really have more fun in pub,no matter if i win or lose! so maybe im wrong! maybe i dont have luck and always get in boring games! i never seen fun ss game! so i play pub more!
one more thing:i never seen -sp in ss games! why is that so? plp always try to play in some teams or with friends or with,lets say better players, and that is not good in ss i think! "you go down,me up,no you stay down too" and something like that! it feels like some players are selected! or lets say some players are more wanted in team and some are less wanted in team!
its not good in community like this.

[rza]

"plp always try to play in some teams or with friends or with,lets say better players, and that is not good in ss i think! "you go down,me up,no you stay down too" and something like that! it feels like some players are selected!"


thats true

72h ban

[ss-Kenyshor]

Most ss people play in pubs . Come on what's wrong with that ? Why play pubs if you joined ss ?

Admins please make a rule that if you dont leave pub when a ss game needs players you get -1 rep .

If people provide a reason why they cant join ss game then its okay no -rep but otherwise -rep.

Come on this should have been implemented long time ago . Its the only way to get ss people play more privs.


I like this idea. I mean, what's the point in beeing safelisted if you dont play ss games and you want public?.

[Snakebit33]

Yeah exactly.

[LifeDrainer[RO]]

Kenyshor;697661']I like this idea. I mean, what's the point in beeing safelisted if you dont play ss games and you want public?.

But now i have a question.I am not against this rule but if........
SS game is announced....they need like 4-5 slots but 9 ppl wich are playing pubs quits so they dont receive -rep points.In few seconds game is full but 4 players wont have slot...and now they dont have a game and their public game is gone and they ruined that public game also(even if in pubs are lots of noobs,but they must be respected.If every game will be ruined they will never learn).The main ideea is good....it just need a little rework.
ps:not all public games players are noobs.Think a little....ss players come from pub games too ;).There are some average players but they are not safelisted.Some of them dont even know of ss,and some of them just dont want to post req and stuff....they just log in few times/week and play a game.
So...here are many points of view.But i think that u cant say that some1 is wrong and you have right.It depends.I play both pub games and ss games,depending of my free time/mood/weather(yes here when its raining/snowing havely quite often it happen to have electrical failiure,so i dont want to ruin some ppl game by disc and also i get -rep).
I think that main problem are ss players wich are not playing privates at all....not the rest of ss players wich are playing both privates and public games.

[Snakebit33]

Ask the players to leave the pubs and tell how many slots. All who want to leave will msg the guy who asked then to . That guy will choose the people and msg them back its as simple as that. If noone messadges back then he can just use /w guard /ga to find people.

[basics]

Safelisted but i still pick pubs in a 6 to 1 ratio. So i choose 6 pubs and only 1 ss game in most every 7 games. Why ?
My main reason is : because i`m not that good in playing all heroes(i can play all of them at a decent skill for ss games) i choose pub because i don`t want to be -rep if i screw up. So i only play ss games when i`m most sure a can deliver a very best of me, however that is considered to be.
My sugestion in this case is that there should be like to kinds of ss games. Something like tagged games and free games. In the tagged games the rullz of bad play should be applied strictly and in the free games u can play just a decent lvl of skill and not the very best. I also want to say that for all games in ss the rulles of decency should be applied, also the ones about the leavers and afk players.
Side reasons:
i always play my first dota game in pubs as a warm up.
i usually play pubs while waiting 4 my clan m8s.
after i meet them i play pubs with them just so we can develop better skills in playing toghether.
I hope that the idea with free and tagged games will be considered, i know it will be something i`ll consider when playing ss games. Hope u give your opinions.
Most ss people play in pubs . Come on what's wrong with that ? Why play pubs if you joined ss ?

Admins please make a rule that if you dont leave pub when a ss game needs players you get -1 rep .

If people provide a reason why they cant join ss game then its okay no -rep but otherwise -rep.

Come on this should have been implemented long time ago . Its the only way to get ss people play more privs.

If there will be such a rule i`ll quit ss. U COMUNIST !!!

[ribacbacri]

ok here's suggestion.
I sometimes don't feel liek playing dota but some TD or some other maps, like example in sunday were i played rabbits vs. sheep (wannted to check out map), so i put /away not in the mood 4 dota

So it folud be good if u are not in the mood for dota and want to play some other map to put something like that, and that gurad doesnt count u while searching for ss available players

[basics]

you right to join pub and say "Hey noobs im ss, im pro !!!!"
I did something like that. /f msg it. I was just happy to be in ss. I`m always wanting to improve my skills in dota so i was happy that now i can really go into it deep, but i`m not playing that often in ss because of that -rep clause and i`m afraid that tomorow or any day, hour when i`ll want to play ss i will not be able to play because of that -rep. So i`m playing pubs hoping to improve, but i`m not learning half of what i could learn in ss games. So from my point of view something must be done considering that -rep.

[[YY]Kai]

I did something like that. /f msg it. I was just happy to be in ss. I`m always wanting to improve my skills in dota so i was happy that now i can really go into it deep, but i`m not playing that often in ss because of that -rep clause and i`m afraid that tomorow or any day, hour when i`ll want to play ss i will not be able to play because of that -rep. So i`m playing pubs hoping to improve, but i`m not learning half of what i could learn in ss games. So from my point of view something must be done considering that -rep.
Reply With Quote

LoL the - rep system is good ... well i think atleast bcos hopefully if people get - rep points they will learn from there mistakes.

And just bcos ure affraid of - rep doesnt mean u shouldnt play in ss games bcos u where approoved witch means u have the required skill for ss games.

[basics]

yes, i wrote some raw solution for -rep in my previous post...i`ll see what happens with that..
if people get - rep points they will learn from there mistakes
i think all ss ppl have the ability to learn from mistakes :p

[ribacbacri]

ok here's suggestion.
I sometimes don't feel like playing dota but some TD or some other maps, like example in sunday were i played rabbits vs. sheep (wanted to check out map), so i put /away not in the mood 4 dota

So it would be good if u are not in the mood for dota and want to play some other map to put something like that, and that guard doesn't count u while searching for ss available players


Sory 4 twisting letters in words, it's a bad habit i have.

[[SyS]-[M]aster]

There are other reasons for not playng ss games too....for example we sys got cws quite often sometimes & i think it's only natural for clan to come 1st.
There are also lots of safelisted players wich just wanna play prv together so practically it's a game full of ss players but they don't make it on ss,nor use guard cuz they need all the slots & u can rarelly reserve slots in ss games...I frankly never saw it.
I just wanna get to the point that if ppl r ssed it doesn't mean that they must give up on they'r other prvs if they don't wanna; this is frankly an example what we from sys do + other safelisted friends of our's tough I believe there r allot more safelisted ppl who do this out there,so don't get me wrong, I enjoy ss, the games r good but there r other games more important.
Btw I do think it would be good to be able to reserve slots in ss games.

As for the ppl who choose pubs over ss games:shame on u guys! Enjoyng to pwn ppl way under your skill lvl instead of playng a more balanced game.

[Wiedmolol[bool]]

Trust me, if you're good you can play very relax, nobody will kick you out off for a bad game. Well, if you keep on doing it..than maybe.

I like this idea. I mean, what's the point in beeing safelisted if you dont play ss games and you want public?.

wouldn't have said it better myself

for u homie :) , its ok if u play cw or smth else but going pub instead ss (constantly) is not ok ...
just check out basics dude, from 7 games he play 1 ss ... we are proud to have u in ss dude ...

"So i`m playing pubs hoping to improve" -improve what?
"i`m not learning half of what i could learn in ss" and u play pubz cuz "i`m afraid" wtf?

dude let me tell u smth i aint imba pro but i still play ss games, why would i (or even u) be afraid of -rep it aint gonna RIP u omfg

[teeron]

to play ss game you need at least 70-90 min free time,
you need focus on game and give your best, dont eat, drinking, smoking weed or watching tv, you need be in good condition and not stressed...


Its up to u, ill just say that im smoking weed every game i play, is it here on xpam or on ggc and i can sure u that im not stresed cos of that. 100% fact is i would be in huge stres in pub where im in team full of noobs ect.
Thats your decision, im far away to judge u but still,i think u dont know u want, i mean u right to say u opinion but u make so big deal about it , at least like "national security case". Sry if i hurt u feelings but imo your reasons are not real and your trying to fool us or either yourself. HF

EDIT: OO i would like to add that this is not a prison or some way of punish ffs, u can leave game when u have to. Maybe u remeber 1 game i played with u, i was shaker in scourage u was venge in sent and i said that i have to leave after 20min and i did cos my woman told me that she wana go to bed. My team won that game, i had gr8 time and every1 was happy( im not abuse that but sometime is smth important).
And last thing, mods on ss are doing big job for us, and u make fell them weird like, u parents when thay say u to come home be4 midnight, dont play on ss but pls spare us.

[MaN-O-WaR]

Imho - main problem with low number of games u have is mentality. I`m safelisted on some Dota communities @ north/IRC ( i play only dotainvite games on GGC, but as games r arranged on IRC its basically IRC) and nobody is even thinking about playing pub and on ss 90% of players dont even wanna w8 5 minutes for a game. Dotainvite has about 200 ppl safelisted and i think that IHCS sth about this too (i dont play there, coz DI suits fine to my skill and more friendly atmosphere than on IHCS), so we w8 sometimes even 30 minutes and i`ll say u that about 1 year ago we w8-ed even 1 hour to play GOOD GAME. I`m aware that there r ppl who r simple publers, coz a friend of mine is one - he has skill and could be easily playing DotA on higher level privs, but he doesnt want to, coz he likes to own and this is what makes fun for him playing this game. The only question i have to ask to some ppl safelisted here is why u wasted time of mods/vouchers if u like playing pubs more? Mby some ppl were unaware that on privs it takes some time for a game... Oke gtg - game rdy :D

[Snakebit33]

Safelisted but i still pick pubs in a 6 to 1 ratio. So i choose 6 pubs and only 1 ss game in most every 7 games. Why ?
My main reason is : because i`m not that good in playing all heroes(i can play all of them at a decent skill for ss games) i choose pub because i don`t want to be -rep if i screw up. So i only play ss games when i`m most sure a can deliver a very best of me, however that is considered to be.
My sugestion in this case is that there should be like to kinds of ss games. Something like tagged games and free games. In the tagged games the rullz of bad play should be applied strictly and in the free games u can play just a decent lvl of skill and not the very best. I also want to say that for all games in ss the rulles of decency should be applied, also the ones about the leavers and afk players.
Side reasons:
i always play my first dota game in pubs as a warm up.
i usually play pubs while waiting 4 my clan m8s.
after i meet them i play pubs with them just so we can develop better skills in playing toghether.
I hope that the idea with free and tagged games will be considered, i know it will be something i`ll consider when playing ss games. Hope u give your opinions.


If there will be such a rule i`ll quit ss. U COMUNIST !!!




Don't join safelist at all if you are afraid that you gonna get kicked out of it because you either have no skill or you just wanna play pubs . What exactly can you learn in pubs ? How to feed ? How to play with leavers ? How to farm on some noob ?

You learn 10 times more faster in ss than in pub . When i joined ss i stoped playing pubs well with some exeptions may be . Furthermore you don't need to take this game very seriously at all . Its as easy to play in pub as an in ss . I always play ss with winamp on and may be some other stuff it and doesn't bother me at all.

There are a lot of players in ss who are better than me i think! So does it mean i shouldn't play ss ? Ofcourse not , i play it all the time when i am playing online. And about the - rep thing . People don't report you like mad on ss . When i get bashed sometimes and have like 4-7 or 1-5 they don't report you . You only get report either if you are VERY dumb or rude.

[Ludwiczek]

Its up to u, ill just say that im smoking weed every game i play, is it here on xpam or on ggc and i can sure u that im not stresed cos of that. 100% fact is i would be in huge stres in pub where im in team full of noobs ect.
Thats your decision, im far away to judge u but still,i think u dont know u want, i mean u right to say u opinion but u make so big deal about it , at least like "national security case". Sry if i hurt u feelings but imo your reasons are not real and your trying to fool us or either yourself. HF

EDIT: OO i would like to add that this is not a prison or some way of punish ffs, u can leave game when u have to. Maybe u remeber 1 game i played with u, i was shaker in scourage u was venge in sent and i said that i have to leave after 20min and i did cos my woman told me that she wana go to bed. My team won that game, i had gr8 time and every1 was happy( im not abuse that but sometime is smth important).
And last thing, mods on ss are doing big job for us, and u make fell them weird like, u parents when thay say u to come home be4 midnight, dont play on ss but pls spare us.


i see discous in this topic is not worth my time...
so EoT

ps.
you no smoking weed, you just using some ****...
cose if you have good stuff, trust me you cant focus and play carefully :P

[Artanthos]

Most ss people play in pubs . Come on what's wrong with that ? Why play pubs if you joined ss ?

Admins please make a rule that if you dont leave pub when a ss game needs players you get -1 rep .

If people provide a reason why they cant join ss game then its okay no -rep but otherwise -rep.

Come on this should have been implemented long time ago . Its the only way to get ss people play more privs.

"if you dont leave pub when a ss game needs players you get -1 rep"

I have to disagree with it. Personally I consider pubs as a total waste of time because of 50% fast rmk and 40% boring game with feeders and flamers (and this is what I hate most - when random noob is flaming me) ratio.
But still when people join pubs, I guess they want to finish it, not quit in middle of (rarely ofc.) good game, just because they might get -rep points. Not to mention fact, that you should have some respect to others, and if you start game with them it wouldn't be nice to ruin their game.

The biggest problem with ss players is, that some of them just like to own, and in ss games it's harder to be "mastah" then in pubs.
Second problem is, that some ss players enter channel ss, ask "any games?", notice that there is only few users on ss so they go play pubs. 1-2 min. later next ss player come, see that there is few players and go pub. If they all waited in channel, there would be game every 20 min. (ofcourse in normal hours).
And what we should do, is to change mentality of this people.
So i'm asking, if you have any ideas connected with this.

[LifeDrainer[RO]]

I think that if players will pay more atention to happy hours it will be improoved(i mean more ss games played).I am quite sure that most of users treat happy hour like 2 mass messages sent by guard and useless ones in same time.They should realise that if each player respect that schedule and not joining pub instantly after 'any game soon?' number of private games will raise.

[YoP.Shinigami]

Ofc, there are those who join, ask 'any ss games?' and then go pub, but (imo)
its more frustrating with the ones who just go to sleep.. they join channel, and then just leave the computer and go afk, yesterday, I logged in, and I where in that channel ATLEAST 20mins, chatting on guard, in channel and even whispered some to come channel so we might get a game, ... -.- ofc no1 came, so goddam irritating, there were 20 ppl I think in channels, and only 1 or 2 showed up, only to leave after 2mins '-.-' and those already in channel, were ofc afk, sleeping.. im getting so sick and tired of that, cuz I totaly agree with tay, pubs ARE a waste of time, sure u get to own, but id rather play, and evolve in ss, so that i become a better player in this society.
I rarely get more then 2,3 ss games a week, and thats not even close to the amount that id like to play, and when I DO get games, well, since im rather new to this, and dont get games when I have time, I do not play well, and occasianally feed, wich ofc im really sorry for, but wtf should I do about it?? I dont get any practise in pubs, u can take what hero u want, get the most wicked item and still kick ass, this is my opinion, and plz comment it.

[ss-Kenyshor]

I have one and only one problem with the ss players that play pub. They play pub..and then they come to play ss games with pub mentality, no teamplay at all, imba stupid build ( e.g. mjolnir on axe), and fsck up a good game. That's my only problem, and lately i see that more and more players are acting this way. I really dont understand how can you have a good time playing pubs, where 9 of 10 games are rmk, you must be really sadist or really bored. I rest my case.

[FatalErr0r]

to play ss game you need at least 70-90 min free time,
you need focus on game and give your best, dont eat, drinking, smoking weed or watching tv, you need be in good condition and not stressed

and there are problem with players, first not enought players
and when you have 10 and want host, all want more slots or playing with non ss friends,

about my ss playing, I HATE spam and talking, when i host pub or priv
i can kick or ban spammers talkers, in ss i cant kick and noobs dont want
stop talking bull****, and on my banlist i have some ss players too, and
i dont want play with them too...

i love fast own, using skills, combos gangs not only farm like *** :)
(sorry tay its not for you cose you are good and proper farmer ;)
but in ss game i see no one enjoying team action fast action, all want
go wood and farm 80 min, then come back on mid and push in 1 min...

i play many game with low cs, like pudge rasta lina, on early game
i good cs but when lvl 11 i start killing and action, no wood no creeping

i work from time to time, and when playing i usually watching tv, eating
alt+tab or whatever, and i stressed or not in humour, so easy to make my angry ;)

and some of my friends are not ss too, and i like playing with them too

so i can fast organise and play few pubs or privs, yes most of them sux
but we can rmk, we can ban, we can kick, we can all... and its funny
and from time to time good games are

about heros
in ss games not all heros are good, especialy funny early-mid game heros,
in pub we can take them and have fun and combos and action,
in ss main idea is late game farmer which no play just farm...

and i hate lie about lag delay..
if i see ping ~78ms latency 70 ms... but players make stupid or shame action they call
omg 4 sec delay we cant play,

and one more thing...
i dont want know WHAT YOU ARE PLAYIN IN WINAMP when i play dota! ;)

turn off all **** like msg and winamp and focus on game

ps.
today i want play ss game but... i want play with my friend cro_janje
i forgot he take ban for ss... so we will owning pub games


realy he took words from my mouth
i play 1,2 max 3 ss games per day, rest are pubs cose i have some pubs friends wich i like to play with [and i cant say no to them cose i playing with them long time], of corse i calling them to join ss , i hope thay would do it soon, but realy i dont wont to play allwasy ss games becouse reasons wich sad ludwi. tv,music,eating... not 100% focus and in ss you know how its important last hit dany wich i cant do when i watch tv can i:D but after i have few pubs and leavers in them i get pissed and i allways return in ss for some good game

[[SyS]-[M]aster]

I just remembered another possible reason why not enough safelisted players play ss games:

1.Something that I've noticed since I got safelisted & It's gotten way worse over time ; there r barrely any rmks if some ppl have lag at a certain host & this being available for ppl who say they got lag in 1st 10 mins maybe 15 if more ppl.At first if 1 lag & he said it at the beggining of the gamemhe was so ignored most of the time but just 1 person,now I see 2-4 ppl sayng that they got lag BEFORE THEY DIE so it there's no reason to believe that they'r just inventing a lag reason cuz they died, & still no rmk.What u hear mostly is "whiner".It's true there might not be enough ppl for a ss game after rmk cuz the ppl who lagged can't play at that host...but if u think better: is it k to force some ppl to play with lag just cuz others wanna play a ss game?It's a nightmare for those guys,some of u know this very well,a player with 2 sec delay is close to a pub semi-noob so frankly a ss game can be turned into a pub game, higher lvl but with some noobs to feed on.

[_-Satana-_]

well
i have some opinions about this
1. xpam very laggy server, thinking u play on ss and calling that pro-gaming, is lying urself and lying the rest of the world saying that ur pro
2. maybe most of the people that are now vouched on ss channel dont take gaming so serious, and for them is just fun, no matter if they play pubz or "pro" games
3. why do u keep waisting useless time and energy trying to make this work?
plz, plz, ff, it's useless,
Message for the admins at Channel SS: Ss will never be what it was a few years ago, it would take a f*** miracle to turn it back in what it was...so...stop living in the past
and look at the future
ok, ?
gg-no-re
kthxbye

[LifeDrainer[RO]]

If everybody would have such pessimistic oppinion.....nothing in the world will improve...

[Ludwiczek]

+ happy hours should be taking seriulsly
+ manners shoud grow
+ spam/flamers shoud be pushined fast and hard :)
+ try chill out and not thinking like "me pro me shoud said all what to do"
(but from time to time some smart tips/advice is good ;) )

[Nazgul]

True, there are too many 'pro-wannabies' in ss.

They think they > all, and therefore allyourbasearebelongtoTHEM.

[IceBird]

allyourbasearebelongtoTHEM.

lol isnt that some kinda cheat in starcraft or smthinG? allyourbasearebelongtome xD!!!
ye i hope ppl take happy hours more seriously

[Gramsen]

I've been safelisted once, but on the like.. 2 weeks I was safelisted the only "ss-games" I played was the testgame to get into SS, and one more game where a guy in the team was flaming on everyone, so whats the point playing SS-games? No right, you cant play 'em, cuz they dont exist! Or I just had bad luck, but that's just my point of view, I feel sorry for the guys that worked hard on this channel, I hope you can get it stable sometime~

[2fuckingbitch]

I must sometimes play PUB becasue when i come to ss chanel i see 20 ppl there and 15 afk or on topaz ... and what to do than ... to w8 2 hours for one game... that is stupid :(
So it is better to go play one public game than to w8 2 hours for 1 ss game...
I think that this is not problem , because ppl dont have time to play dota all day and be online ,i think that this is normal situation .

[sublime_]

I play sometimes pubs but not on xpam ..on ggc with mi rl friends mby 2-3 games per week and i`m afk on ss channel with topaz i think that is not a prob to be afk on channel .. prob is that exist ss players who did not w8 5 min for a pvt game and they are not trying to gather ppl for pvt games in ss ..they play random pubs, every day have 40-50 or more players in pubs i don't know why they ppl get safelisted when they did not play ss games i`m every day active on ss games and i know 50 players max 100 players with who i play ss games ..there are 400-500 safelisted players for sure i think mods can talk and get some decision for those players ..removed from safelist or better 3 weeks ban coz if they want play ss games they need to post again request after 3 weeks ..ty ofc if mods are not lazy :):) kidding
EDIT: I have it on my mind this idea mby mods will think about it ............

[[YY]Kai]

I use Topaz so that i can see when a game is gona be played or peole need a host for a game.So that i dont need to w8 in War3 for 20 mins or more and do something else in meantime.

[Heldarion]

btw, S&Y is a very good item, old one as well as new one, I agree it takes a lot of money to make, but it always fit my playstyle well, I never shied away from extra movespeed

[MaN-O-WaR]

I never shied away from extra movespeedu pay 2k gold for only yasha and for 2.2k u have BoT (ms + tp). This item is real crap deal with it

[Heldarion]

yeah, but boots of travel don't give you aditional 23% increased attack speed, do they?
and when you finish S&Y, you get the maim which now triggers nearly on every attack (never heard about BoT doing something alike) and 14% speed boost is well...cool.
S&Y was you-get-what-you-paid-for item, now they buffed it a bit and it's even better, but some ppl think that if they don't get their 3 MKB's, Boots of Travel and 2 Buriza's they're not looking like pros.

[MaN-O-WaR]

BoT gives u map control. Why im even trying to talk in here with guys playing pubs.... S&Y gives u nothing at all - maim is just pure crap, if u need IAS u head for butter with agi hero or hyper with str hero and when hp is needed u go for HoT. With S&Y u r neither a tank neither a dmg dealer - it`s item which doesnt fullfill for any character any role in the team and i hope mby one day u will understand it that.

[Ludwiczek]

SY in high lvl games usuall sux but manowar what you think about SY on spiritbreaker?

[MaN-O-WaR]

i tend to think its good item for him, but atm i think its crap - hp from s&y simply is not enough for late game when u have to be tank in the most games. HoT gives dmg from str and tons of hp. That ms bonus which is translated on dmg in this hero isnt worth imo. U want dmg - get dmg item like burize (BoT gives u dmg as well). In organized games that extra ms isnt needed as everything is around pushing and team fights and thats what dota is about ;)

[Uberpr0]

i would have to disagree that S&y isn't worth it on spiritbreaker , boots + s&y is without doubt a game winner on spirit since he is that kind of imba fast hero that goes in battles mostly outnumbered and quickly bashes 2 or 3 dealing alot of damage , the converted ms into damage is worth it as i see it since with s&y youll be controlling mid game and later easily , since your base ms will be 471 , (if it's fun game add eul to the count xD)
but i would have to say that maim is crap , its better to get lifesteal
either s&y and go for vladi for lifesteal and damage aura or just go for boots and satanic + damage and speed

then again there are better builds then s&y if the game is going your way for spirit.

[Heldarion]

Spiritbreaker gets 60 chaos damage from his skill that boosts speed, when maxed out, I don't think that's bad lol

[Ludwiczek]

imo this item is designed for barruth, but as manowar said in teambattles or good organised teams if barruth picked, HoT can be better choice, anyway i still using BoT+SY in most of games and it works preety fine

[EscapeTheFate]

s&y is one of the crappiest items in dota. Even after the buff i think its crap. If i want strenght i will get reaver , if i want IAS - ill get hyper , if i want movements speed ill get BoT.

[[YY]Kai]

s&y is one of the crappiest items in dota. Even after the buff i think its crap. If i want strenght i will get reaver , if i want IAS - ill get hyper , if i want movements speed ill get BoT

lol , are u idiot? what makes s&y good is the fact is that u dont waiste inv space for e.g. speed , hp , as u can get it all in 1 and u can also use BoT and S&Y at the same time ... so ya.

[BOo0nzY]

is u lol????????

[Ludwiczek]

i 'love' this way of discus...

it remember me noobish time when all noobs have 1/1000 knowledge but though "they know all!" and strongest arguments were:

you lol~! noob

not, you lol2, idiot..

sy sux, why? cose you idiot..

no sux, why? cose you noob

:D


it not so simple as you thought, it depend on many things,
like game pick, which hero, which hero combinations/role, players playstyle
(player can get "imba guide items" and still sux, but when use his old a bit noobish build he own ;)

it depend on game situation, team heros, enemy heros, and what you need,
in 1 game i sell almost all items and get 2 disable, eul and hex, and it was better and make win, better then 10 rapiers

if i play dmg delaer like drow, sniper, bone and i have and know cover in team (tank or disablers) i dmg>>>>>hp
i can have 800 hp and +350 dmg ;) and still im unkilllable..
if no good tank or many nukers disbalers, boost hp, less dmg

on various heros vairus items can be good
one time purge+manta is best solution
second disable (hex, eul)
third, imba speed BoT+SY
fiurth lifestel

etc..

[Tito]

This arguing is kind of stupid : )

Anyway, I see only 15-20 players at SS, its borring to pwn extasy and hardc0re in every game, we need some fresh meet =))

[Camper]

how can i join this ss thingy? :)

plx tell me

[OvP]geolino_]

how can i join this ss thingy? :)

plx tell me

Most hated word - plx....ofc theres plox too but thats something else...anyway http://eurobattle.net/showthread.php?t=54414 and SS is not a "thingy" it`s a fenomen.

[LifeDrainer[RO]]

actually ss is a comunity...read sticky threads and you will find out how to join ss

[sublime_]

how can i join this ss thingy? :)

plx tell me


hehe i catch you :)

[Nocawy]

I got safelisted recently hoping for good games, where people say "gg" at the end. I was told SS is a channel for experienced players with good manners and reasonable thinking.

I've played about 25 SS games so far, and honestly, many of them were just like bad pubs: a lot of flaming, calling everyone "noobs", munchkins, leavers, lag...

1. In most of SS games I've played people flame and insult each other... In pubs I don't care, but I joined SS to find games without flaming...

2. I had lag in some games and other players said: "you must play or ban -rep". This is so stupid! I won't play a laggy game just to let the other team to have a nice ownage!

I thought people in SS can create good game without a lag, and if somebody has a lag, then remake.

3. Imba teams. Well, it's not the worst issue... Everyone likes to play with old friends in stronger team ^^... But I thought people in SS enjoy even games, not games when one team totally owns the other... Unfortunately I was wrong, most people seems to play only for win and "GODLIKE, OWNAGE, SENTINEL OWNS". Nobody plays for fun.

[Uber_pwnT]

Players wont play due bot host for example. For example me xD

Artanthos is the neares of players problem. About 85 % players enter ss channel and they see few people, most often away from the keyboard.

Ps. "Pros", show more manner, don't ignore unknown players and stop act like everything knowing people. Your opinion often are wrong, you evaluate others build, gameplay. Who you think you are? "s&y sux", "you are noob" DAMN shut up and play. Let's have a look on your build/gameplay -.-


1. Enter and wait a few minutes for more players.

2. More manner. STOP act like enlighted ones ;p

[Ogi.]

most people seems to play only for win and "GODLIKE, OWNAGE, SENTINEL OWNS". Nobody plays for fun.

I wouldn`t say so ...: )
What`s your server account?

[OvP]geolino_]

I wouldn`t say so ...: )
What`s your server account?

His serv acc is nocawy i sow him few times.... tho what he says isnt that right i mean cmmon even if sentinel is full of skilled players u can do something... for example if ogi is in the super-mega-killing`machine team u can always pick Leshrac :laugh::beer:. j/k ofc. :) Anyway i got those experiences too and honestly it was cool cuz when i killed one of them he didnt started to accuse others like "omg that unknown noob dumped me against u 2" he simply said "affff" in his mind ... and thats how some argues are avoided ... when i played vs full Serb team it was damn funny they were always laughing kidding etc... ofc that depends on what players are in that team.... cuz some of them are really "desperate" for win... if they win they dont even say gg... if they dont - they flame.
PS @ Dna_eater : Bnet off and memmon with it too.

[ANANANAN]

Erm, guys, i am sry to say this, but i think what he said is true...there are often imba teams, and when you argue, they even start laught at you that your are scared etc.(not my case but...), and it looks like the people play for win or w/e, but it doesnt look its for fun at all, cuz they wouldnt make so imba teams...and also often happesn the thing with "hes my friend, sry" and swaps for imba team....but anyway, i dont care that much, last games were nice, even when i was in team with kyree(niceee) and 3 not ss ppl vs some well known ;) Memmon w8 for me on bnet! :D And its still not that bad, but try to change it even if only for a little...

[rza]

I ALMOST feel sry for these guys

ppls r swaped into another team cuz:

1. some of ss users use Ventrilo
2. some players are in same clan and they want to play together
3. u want to play with ur long known buddys (in my case Heldarion)
4. mybe u suck and ofc noone wants to play with u
5. u showed ur skills previous game ( u were in so called "imba" team) and u sucked



gg no re ~

[IceBird]

Lal mem would that include me? Dont be so critical mem. U cannot expect mym skill from everyone. Oh and btw for the others cribbing about this always remember that playing AGAINST good players increases ur skill not WITH them. Never lose hope for thou shalt never progress if u do. For ex the last ss game i played a month back - kai keny tay held and topgun vs me sublime supergirl and 2 other ppl. We didnt crib and we won the game due to superior picks and teamplay.. So never lose hope and dont whioe

[xXJesusXx]

Guys u just talk ****,SS is 'pro' channel,so act like 'pros'.
It; nvm in which team u r,,cuz i think manny ss-er r on same level.

U start to talk **** about memmon..Memmon swap guys in his team which he likes to play,,which he knows to play,,

All I can say is,,,Yesterday we played a match,we had standard team in sentinel,and one ss newcomer played with us,,,Jakiro(no wards)..and at start he say:'ok I play support',,this is just LOL!!

For a example,VamoS_GringO,Soares,SUBLIME and [SyS]-Killer,,If we play 2gether,,we r on ventrilo,,so we dont have to write go in,stun etc,,Its not needed to say who have to buy wards and things like that...So u can be sure that i dont start game if im not in team with them!

If u have problems,,,Leave SS,,,,,if u r SkiLLed enough,,u can like GringO pwn HardCore and Extasy 3days in a row^^

[IceBird]

true . let clanmates play together after all isnt that the purpose of a clan
oh btw nab jesus welcome back :D

[sublime_]

bleah i always play with less skilled team so ? :)

[VamoS_GringO]

Guys u just talk ****,SS is 'pro' channel,so act like 'pros'.
It; nvm in which team u r,,cuz i think manny ss-er r on same level.

U start to talk **** about memmon..Memmon swap guys in his team which he likes to play,,which he knows to play,,

All I can say is,,,Yesterday we played a match,we had standard team in sentinel,and one ss newcomer played with us,,,Jakiro(no wards)..and at start he say:'ok I play support',,this is just LOL!!

For a example,VamoS_GringO,Soares,SUBLIME and [SyS]-Killer,,If we play 2gether,,we r on ventrilo,,so we dont have to write go in,stun etc,,Its not needed to say who have to buy wards and things like that...So u can be sure that i dont start game if im not in team with them!

If u have problems,,,Leave SS,,,,,if u r SkiLLed enough,,u can like GringO pwn HardCore and Extasy 3days in a row^^

I like to play against better players then me...it's kinda funny when i pwn them :).i'm just kidding,you forget that you can learn much from the enemy team if they're skilled enough so i don't really mind to play Vs imba teams.But...i'm getting kinda pissed off when i'm playing with ppl who have never heard of wards placing and supporting the team.The most of the time when i play carry or tank our int support doesnt know when and where to place wards (dont mean just the spots above the power-ups) and i get kinda pissed off since i'm always trying to place those damn wards where they supposed to be.Ofc i never flame those guys but still...hate losing cause of stupid mistakes like
no ward placing,farming all the time with all heroes (even support...),stupid picks,lack of teamplay cause one guys always doesnt listen to the team and other noobish stuff.I'm not saying that i'm better then them (you saw me suck in many games where i underestimate our opponents :)) but at least try your best since it's not fun anymore (and dota is all about fun imo) when our team dont give at least 90% of their true potential and the other team owns big time.Like 2-3 days before we told our team8 to pick some int support after we picked our carry and he picks luna vs aoe raping heroes...N/C,but the thing is answer when we asked him why he did that:"It's not cw i wanna have fun and no1 can say me what to pick!"-ofc no1 has to say that,you must figure it out alone since you think that you're a imba pro.it's not the same when you own pubbies with troll and mortred and when you pick them in SS games vs magnus.treant,enimga,nevermore and lion.What do you think why i'm always asking and consulting my team what to pick?I'm not crying when we lose a game where we gave our best,but stupid moves (written above) makes me crying like a baby with full dipers of ****!In the last few weeks the gameplay on SS improved big time,so i'm asking you play with your team and not against it!What to say about my hosting?If you want -sp say it and it will be so,i mean if you think that we're playing a unbalanced game say it and i will make balance for sure no matter who is mine or your team.
P.S.Next time i see a int supporter w/o chick or wards and when your team is asking for you to buy,and you dont listen...i gonna report you 100%!it's for your best,believe me.Sry for long maybe off topic post:CYA

[IceBird]

exactly the same thing i said about playing against pros and increasing ur skill level and having a sense of elation when u win..
nice post btw :F

[VamoS_GringO]

exactly the same thing i said about playing against pros and increasing ur skill level and having a sense of elation when u win..
nice post btw :F

Yap you're right but still you can't improve when your team doesnt improve with you...i hope you know what i mean.

bleah i always play with less skilled team so ? :)

Don't worry next time you're playing with me :).

[IceBird]

Lil_GringO;756902']Yap you're right but still you can't improve when your team doesnt improve with you...i hope you know what i mean.



Don't worry next time you're playing with me :).

yes indeed very true..
ill be back mostly by april 20th i hope
cool looking forward :D

[Ludwiczek]

a bit stupid thing for me is that when in 1 team is 4 really good players + 1 random noob/average player, but they know each other and ventrilo use, they can pawn easy 2nd team which 1-2 uber goood pros + 3 average or noobish teamates ;)

then this 1 noob can be ranked very high cose play with skilled freinds and ventrilo
and he laughting from 10x better players which play random teams... and rank low

i dont know wehre exactyly but i seen some thread about cap system with balancing players (teams) that was nice idea

and dont tell: hahah we 3-4 x pawn strong team with random players! cose this strong team pawn you 224 times... ;)

if they know thier playstle, setting heros pick / team roles and all time comunicate +warding + ganging + thier best/lovles combos
its hard to pawn them

[easter_bunny]

the decision may be just playing with -sp T_T or the captains system, though the idea was rejected by admins.

[ANANANAN]

I ALMOST feel sry for these guys

ppls r swaped into another team cuz:

1. some of ss users use Ventrilo
2. some players are in same clan and they want to play together
3. u want to play with ur long known buddys (in my case Heldarion)
4. mybe u suck and ofc noone wants to play with u
5. u showed ur skills previous game ( u were in so called "imba" team) and u sucked



gg no re ~

Thats all nice mem, but if you want it like in No 1, 2 or 3 case, you can always go and have a cw, cuz you are clan, vt its nice, but it doesnt mean you have to be most of time in 1 team, you need to learn also to cooperate with unknow ppl(of course if they also try/do) without voice communication, or even without talking, just by blinking/looking at map using your brains. With your long know buddy, you can go pub or wait for another game when he joins earlier, or sp will give you same team or invite him to your team in cw. In case 4., y its partly your fault(your=the one "noob"), but why should always the other team suffer? let it be as it is, and if the "noob" doesnt listen, just report him. Yes, sometimes you just want to swap him, but not ALL the time. Same for case 5.

P.S.: all the things i posted wasnt again memmon, it was written to every1, and not meant to insult any1. Cyaz on bnet in come cool SS game.

[MaN-O-WaR]

Imho your biggest problem is pub thinking. I`ve played 2 games during that egg thingy xmas and what i`ve experienced:
1) there is no teamplay at ss at all
2) every1 farms no matter the hero he has
3) even if there r experienced players (i doub there arent) they dont share their knowledge about the game and command lower skilled players.

Now argumentation and proposed solution(s):
1) team should work on their carry, 4 heroes should gain map control to LET FARM their carry. Players should play their heroes RIGHT - by right i mean if u play support/tank/ganker/heavy nuker/ u gank/buy wards trying to establish map control which will allow your carry to farm.
2) this is just stupidness and imho all know how it is
3) Okey so i played first game with Prophet saying to in team chat that i will carry, as there is no better carry hero in team. So my team went to farm with gankers, support etc. ofc buying no wards no nothing. As far as i remember we won but it wasnt DotA - i would rather call it very boring farming game. Hint: If u like to farm only dont play even carry heroes, dont play DotA at all there r so many MMORPGs atm that u can find one u like
Game 2: I picked zeus and having experience from previous game started to organize the game from begining (like razor farms, all other gank), acting myself as a ward whore, leaving frags on purpose for razor - we would have won it, if one of our team-mates didnt disc. I must say that it was VERY VERY hard to convince other 3 players who played obvious gank/battle initiator heroes to start ganking even if they didnt have to buy wards so they could spend money on items, but AFTER some time of 'whining' by myself i finally managed to convince them to gank with me and we played DotA in the means it should be play. So my hint is to TALK with your team-mates.

About team balance thingy: make 2 captains (by player voting, however from my experience usually there is no problem with picking them, coz most of the time they r obvious choices) and let them pick players for the team, it works everywhere. The idea of inhouse is to play balanced games with more or less known ppl to you. I dont think u will learn sth when u r uberpwnd, coz by not balancing the teams newcomers wont learn anything therefore lowering the average level of play inside the community. Why is that? They will play in teams with average players from the community at max, coz good players r known ones and they will stack into same teams, therefore owning newcomers who we assume have lower level of play and went here to learn. If u put good players into one team the second team will have average ones and newcomers. Average players r usually not confident about their skills therefore they wont advise newcomers, nobody will lead the team and we will have boring one sided game.

About friends/clan mates argument vs captain system - try to play vs your friend(s) and u will see the real fun ;)

[[gdl]shadow]

Imho your biggest problem is pub thinking. I`ve played 2 games during that egg thingy xmas and what i`ve experienced:
1) there is no teamplay at ss at all
2) every1 farms no matter the hero he has
3) even if there r experienced players (i doub there arent) they dont share their knowledge about the game and command lower skilled players.

Now argumentation and proposed solution(s):
1) team should work on their carry, 4 heroes should gain map control to LET FARM their carry. Players should play their heroes RIGHT - by right i mean if u play support/tank/ganker/heavy nuker/ u gank/buy wards trying to establish map control which will allow your carry to farm.
2) this is just stupidness and imho all know how it is
3) Okey so i played first game with Prophet saying to in team chat that i will carry, as there is no better carry hero in team. So my team went to farm with gankers, support etc. ofc buying no wards no nothing. As far as i remember we won but it wasnt DotA - i would rather call it very boring farming game. Hint: If u like to farm only dont play even carry heroes, dont play DotA at all there r so many MMORPGs atm that u can find one u like
Game 2: I picked zeus and having experience from previous game started to organize the game from begining (like razor farms, all other gank), acting myself as a ward whore, leaving frags on purpose for razor - we would have won it, if one of our team-mates didnt disc. I must say that it was VERY VERY hard to convince other 3 players who played obvious gank/battle initiator heroes to start ganking even if they didnt have to buy wards so they could spend money on items, but AFTER some time of 'whining' by myself i finally managed to convince them to gank with me and we played DotA in the means it should be play. So my hint is to TALK with your team-mates.

About team balance thingy: make 2 captains (by player voting, however from my experience usually there is no problem with picking them, coz most of the time they r obvious choices) and let them pick players for the team, it works everywhere. The idea of inhouse is to play balanced games with more or less known ppl to you. I dont think u will learn sth when u r uberpwnd, coz by not balancing the teams newcomers wont learn anything therefore lowering the average level of play inside the community. Why is that? They will play in teams with average players from the community at max, coz good players r known ones and they will stack into same teams, therefore owning newcomers who we assume have lower level of play and went here to learn. If u put good players into one team the second team will have average ones and newcomers. Average players r usually not confident about their skills therefore they wont advise newcomers, nobody will lead the team and we will have boring one sided game.

About friends/clan mates argument vs captain system - try to play vs your friend(s) and u will see the real fun ;)

sigh. i really love what u wrote here buddy.....

yes there are some ppl that love to gank...when i play Lan at my town we play a game only with ganking....im not saying that ganking is the only way to win but if u to gank it will improve ur skill with heroes/teamplay and comunication.....which in other hand the oponent's will have to get wards ...cause they will be afraid to get ganked ....stick together(team play) etc etc....lots of players in SS are very good skilled team players...but the new ones not expirienced can learn a lot from the "Masters".....
:banana2: p.s:i love bananas

[xXJesusXx]

I don't know if anyone remember,but I wrote after being 10days in ss the same thing!!!

It's fckin unbelieveble that I play a 'ss' game in which 3of my m8s take carry's and start to flame if u dont support them,I remember one time,I played Dazzle and I babysit Mortred,,and after 5mins mortred on lvl5 moved into centaur+omniknight..hhah..mortred died!After this,,he start to flame me,,why i don't heal him etc,,i start to explain,man,i can only heal 120hp,u moved in stuner+heal combo etc..his answer was OMg,,when u play healer then heal me.
After tis i decide only to play ss games with my ppl,,with my in which i trust!
So,u can be sure that it's easyer to win with memmon,pawnzor,sublime,gringo,soares in team then with fireblade,butcher and topgun..It's not ss community fault that this players dont have enough SkiLL to play their role in team!

bTw,try to play with fireblade in team,he take int supporter,,u say to him,,man u go wards,,his answer,,NO,why me always have to go wards,u r not better then me,,go u buy,,,,bTw,,i played JuGGeR(only carry in team)..so it's not a wonder that I don't wanna play with ppl like this!

And,,dont wonder that no one gank and play there role in team,cuz too many ss-ers play noobish pub games in which Maiden farms to some imba carry with skadi,hex,etc..The best thing is to make some ss-teaching thread,,how to play some heroes,what's their roel in team etc.

p.s. :i love bananas too:)

[ANANANAN]

Maybe what you said is true, but that way SS will never improve nor grow...cuz that way the low skill players cant learn to play better, and if they are 2 bad for learning in your opinion, just report them...always imba game=no meaning, you can go also pub n play there, also imba games...so your way ss would become almost private public soon...
P.S.: me either luv bananas ;)

[xXJesusXx]

GuYS u dont understand my opinion,,THE FCKIN thing is,,that player like fireblade,toppy etc make ss ****ty.

Guys,,,I sometimes don't play ss games and go pub when i see that memmon,gringo or extasy don't host and I know that i have to play with them.

In pubs i now that int support don't buy wards,tanks don't tank!
But it's not funny when more and more ss-er leave BNET to play on GGC,,cuz pubs on GGC r like ss games with ppl like toppy,fireblade etc!

[ANANANAN]

Eh, then just say extasy n other mods to fulfill their words, as i seen more times, "i will approve you, althought it wasnt so good(or smthing similar), i will be watching you" n then (looks so) nothing, n after that comes ppl complaining(about that approved guys) oO but dont understand it liek offense, but maybe if you find the threads where you written that(maybe search option) n watch them more, you can -rep or do nothing cuz they are cool n ok.
E: or just ppl will start to -rep the right guys, not ogi ;)

[MaN-O-WaR]

I dunno how safelist thingy works here but in dotainvite after player collects his vouches he is put on trial which lasts 2 weeks. In this time he must play at least 14 games. Meantime thread about him is created where vouchers and trusted ppls can see this topic and discuss about manners and skill of trialist. How about u make sth like this?

[rza]

I dunno how safelist thingy works here but in dotainvite after player collects his vouches he is put on trial which lasts 2 weeks. In this time he must play at least 14 games. Meantime thread about him is created where vouchers and trusted ppls can see this topic and discuss about manners and skill of trialist. How about u make sth like this?



dota invite = dota pickup?

[[SyS]-Killer]

dota invite = dota pickup?

fail:>

[MaN-O-WaR]

Killer is right. DI is not pickup, however DI was formed by best pickup players if u look back in history ;)