Humans in peril?

[KeweLi]

I often come across many people who say things like:
"Stop global warming", "The Earth is at peril", "Who cares, the resources will not run out in my life time", "We will be in a different planet by then".

First I would like to talk about the Earth. The Earth is not at peril, the human race is. The Earth is made beautifully and it is likely humans will go extinct before anything happens to the planet. Why?

Well basically the Earth is already at the climax of supporting the world's population. The population is rising at an exponential rate and the cycles of Earth are not getting the sufficient time to be processed.

The greatest example to look at would be oil. The economy is now using the LAST lot of oil on the planet. Fuel prices have doubled in the last 2 years and the oil companies will continue to push the price up because they know it will come to an end. So what if the oil runs out? Major cities like London, Hong Kong, and Tokyo all depend on imports from other places to run the entire city. Obviously they will be a real crisis.

Since I live in Hong Kong, I'll talk about what is happening. Hong Kong gets it's fresh water and oil from China. In China, an average of 10,000 brand new cars are sold per day. The people are willing to throw sums of money to buy this oil because at the moment, China is advancing incredibily. How do they expect to run the place when the oil is depleted? And the worst thing is that people don't know it will happen sooner than they think. It is true energy cannot be destroyed or created, but due to the rising population, we are consuming much faster than the renewal process.

You might be reading this now thinking of alternatives like coal, hydro electricity, wind turbines, and solar power.
Coal releases much more pollution and it is only sufficient for things like steam engines, NOT vehichles.
Hydro and wind only work when there is a low population. Hundreds of them will only support a tiny population not to mention how unreliable they are.
Solar power has been a failure though there is much talk about it.

Lastly I will talk about the whole space thing. Humans will not travel at the speed of light, and even if they do, the closest planet which is similar to the Earth will take 80 years to get there. Are you going to send a baby there and have an old man arrive at the planet who knows completely nothing?

Trust me on this guys, our resources are coming to an end faster than many of you think. Some scientists predict that at this rate, it will be as close as the next 10 years.

Article by Andrew Chau (KeweLi)

[SetoKaiba]

Who cares and wtf can we do about it in first place ?

in ten years sources of power will be gone and if anarchy starts ill just grab my 2 guns and act like mad max. problem solved..

on another hand there is nuclear power and scientist will think of something in ten years.

[-eXtasY-]

Ok i will say some things but they might look very stuped to some, but belive its not bull**** .
Well you all know who tesla was, great serbian scientist.
Do you know anything about his projects ? Well want to say something about his project of wireless energy transfering. Ive read few books of it , they are written on serbian btw dunno if there is english edition try to find some about his work and projects.
They only reason why it was never used was economy, if they started to use wireless power transfer, then all oil companys would fall down, world economy would be shaked so hard.
I am sure that scientist now, are able to make it without problems, ofcourse by teslas idea , and scripts which are in hands of USA. I will quote his sentence
“ Можда ћете мислити да сам сањалица и рећи да идем предалеко ако Вам одам чему се надам у будућности. Могу Вам рећи да са апсолутним поуздањем верујем да ћу слати поруке из једне земље у другу и то без жица ! Такође поуздано се надам да ћу на исти начин , без жица, преносити електричну енергију без губитака. У успех бежичног управљања и давања знакова на даљину више неће бити никакве сумње.”translation: You will might thing that im dreamer and say that im going to far, if i tell you what im expecting in future. I may tell you , that i with apsolute confidence, belive that i'll send messages from one country to another without any wires ! (its reallity today isnt it?)Also im sure that i'll on the same way , without any wireless, transfer electisity without any losses.....

Ab out electics power, i think there is no problem, solar and nuclear power are future. The same story goes for watter.
Our scientists are able to clear sea watter, but it requires way to much money and work. Trust me when they see there is no other solution they will do it.
Im more scared of wars then energy problem...

[d3ath_2_guta]

eh don't panic

i heard that in the year 2018(or 19 donno) we'll be crushed by a commet...so we won't have to panic about the oil and polutin :P j/k

well yea the oli levels are low...the only place where you can find oil is Antarctica(if i remember right) and it's not owned by any country

i heard that for cars,the future of transportation(wich is developing now) is electricity...recharging every..donno 200 km(about 125 miles),so it's polution free

my opinion is that we(the human race...in 2-3 generation) will really suffer...
i persoanly blame BUSH(FIRST GEORGE BUSH THE PERSON...and second the USA)for polution,radioactiv tests and stuff

only time will tell

[oOGen.LaZOo]

We will extinct like the other Creatures and that's that . Nature finds way .

[bugi_bye]

****, cant w8 to see the day when i/we die...

[pRiMe]

Who cares...some people have problems now and they are not thinking about future,in future some of us will go crazy or die of painful death so i don't care much.

[_TerrorBlade_]

not bad but its too incomplete... your knowledge about the real facts are lacking... consider this; in the past decates technology has evolved outstandingly fast, also if all oil will run out on the planet in 20years even if it would last 20 more we would still be at peril due to mass pollution. Thou still the oil crisis you talk about is just so .. stupid? there's enough oil on this earth (in US and EU) to power this earth for more than a hundred years. In case you dont know... the oil in Israel is less than 1$/litre. I believe that in the decates to come the main fuel will become electrical energy because its just everywhere... almost any thing has a bit of energy static or whatsoever it must be there. I was doing some project in the elementary school about an unlimited energy generator... i finished it but due to some issues i came across i couldnt handle back then it didnt the job as i expected... but i still believe (at least theoreticaly) that it should work. Unexpected... but lets get to the expected... i`ll tell you smthing i talked just recently with an elder friend; the IQ/GLOBE is drastically getting lower and lower... he told me that when he was younger and based on a worldwide research numbers were much higher, and that is because the population is rising quite fast(this is something logical), so fear that in the next 10years you will be sorrounded by a bunch of idiots(as we ocassionaly but increasily see on this forum).

[XFIRE]

How about Formula 1, where over 10000 oil litres/week race are consumed, just to satisfy some people speed addiction and getting more and more money in the big bosses of worldwide car brands?

[fatman69]

firstly tesla was a great Croatian scientist (ok half serb half cro but we always fight about him)

secondly, there is more than enough oil for years to come, the supply IS LIMITED but there is enough oil, SO far. you don't consider the sizes of all the oil fields e.g Nigeria, Gabon, Liberia,Venezuela.. you think that you've got oil only in Arabian peninsula,Alaska and Sibera?? Nigeria has one of the biggest reserves, you don't take oil from the sea into consideration... i'm not talking bull here, these are scientifis facts explained by my University proffessors. i understand your concern about the modern age but your doom's day predictions are a bit exagurated.

another thing, have you heard of bio-diesel?? it is widely used in Brasil, it isn't used in other parts of the world due to highly powered oil lobies (in other words because of the corruption) are you gonna tell me that we cant find enoguh rejects from food processing (parts of corn,wheat or some other plants can't remember which) to power our cars??you're telling me that?

another thing, the water powered cars are also in developement. also not used probably because of the oil loby. these lobies aren't some conspiracy theories, just look at the money car and oil processing industries make, the taxes countries get from those industries and tell me some1 would want to leave that cash lying around just because some ecology nutcase decided to share his invention with the world. this is a serious thing and not some global conspiracy theory.

and for those of you who laugh at water-powered cars..H2O=chemical formula for water, there is a simplifed newly discovered chemical process that divides that mollecule into atoms (called electrolysis i think), so from 1 litre of water you get 1/3 litres of oxygen (useless) and 2/3 litres of hydrogen (used as rocket fuel...) so i hope you get the idea how powerful this **** is and why people keep it hidden for now. it will come to use when the oil reserve gets really thin.

one thing that you are right about ,keweli , is the thing about resources, but not ore,minerals, oil but food...british scientist Malthus (look this up in wiki if u want) from made it perfectly clear that some day the needs of population (whos numbers are growing geometricaly 2,4,8,16) will outgrow the possibility of producing food ( whos numbers are growing arithmeticaly e.g. 2,4,6,8).. but this won't lead to a cataclysm, people will reach maximal population somewhere around years 2050-2100 (this is an aproximation of wordls demographic experts and this is the estimation with highest numbers, the biggest numbers of people). this will affect africa and asia mostly, while other parts of the world will be hit lightly sicne the food is the critical issue today in those countries. if you're worried you don't need to be.. some people will die from starvation, but since we arent some dumbass rabbits that breed like there's no tomorrow, people (in asia,africa) will slow down, population will fall, but the cause will be the fact that there are more people dying than those who are born (also known as the white plague) during some years the numbers will settle down and soon there would be enough food. summary, some people will die from starvation, there will be some wars, and the global population will be decreased drastically but don't expect some mad max epilogues.

funny thing u mentioned these topics.. i'm a student of geography at University of Zadar and we are kinda covering these topics this semester so i'm kinda well informed :D :D

[DA_SASQUA4]

many many theores whether the resources are coming to an end and other types of energy we should use.
hah sounds strange and crazy ... but ... mother nature knows what it's making. there were melt-downs and ice ages in the Earth's history. dinosaurs died and other species were born. our humankind will meet its end someday ... and others will come. its a closed circle u know. we cant do nothing to fight the will of mother nature (lol i sound as a night elf :D ) we have to suffer the consequences of what we've done with her.
thats just my point of view. and i really beleive it

[OMGBergrush]

firstly tesla was a great Croatian scientist (ok half serb half cro but we always fight about him)

tesla, although he preferred to be referred to as a yugoslav he was a pure serbian be ethnicity.

[_TerrorBlade_]

and he lived in america...

[Ykc]

bio diesel = mass destoying of rain forests = global warming

tesla was of serbian parents living in town in croatia which was mainly populated by serbs.

he lived in america cause they gave him money to support his work.

anyway being paranoic about this wont help us in any way. so why the f must i think about smth like that for i cant change anything.

[Kiel]

Actually there are cars running on water wich then is sent back to atmosphere and the water is infinite source of energy. There will never be more or less water than already in earth. Its just changing its state. And actually there was even a scientist who produced a car running on water instead of gas or oil. It wasnt as fast as others (like mere 40km/h) but that was because he was the only person working on his project. Soon he disappeared. All those things happen because huge oil companies dont want themselves ruined so they do all in their power to stop other sources of power. Also it would be wise to read Extasy and Fatman's posts because they bring some really good points too.

In other words, there is no need to panic because people expected runing of earth when they were in stone age, medieval times, and they do the same now. It wont happen as fast, but its good to hear that people are actually concerned about future of our planet.

But also you are right about increasing population. Wars before and diseased effectivley reduced amount of humans. Now Wars are in small scale without killing millions of people, and diseases are at bay. So we are growing in numbers quite fast. Anyway somehow number of people WILL be reduced. Its obvious. The non-obvious thing is when, and what will be the reason of it.

[AJalex]

what can i say we will die :)

yupee

so what we will be taken out of our suffering


GOD DAMN BUSH!!!!! he is a jackass!!

[LoGiStiK]

Well , we should see the good part , at least we won't live when that will happen :)

[klemen]

Well , we should see the good part , at least we won't live when that will happen :)

Did you read? We will run out of it in 10 years. This is preety close. :)

On the other side, it would be impressive to live in such days. 21 century. Dam, i hope i will live for next 100 years. :)

All those who said: "Who cares" are noobs. This shows the attitude of majority on the planet.

USA is backstabbing country. They have biggest pollution, and they didn't sign Kyoto protocol.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1e/Kyoto_Protocol_participation_map_2005.png/250px-Kyoto_Protocol_participation_map_2005.png


China actualy grows on oil and coal. There will be huge crisis, when it runs out of it, because it has low alternative sources to gain energy.

[d3ath_2_guta]

i heard of the H2O car 2,but it wasn't put into the market because oil would drop in favor of H2O(or so i've heard)

logi...yea right but your childrens-children will have to live with our mistakes

[AJalex]

logi...yea right but your childrens-children will have to live with our mistakes

agreed

[OMGBergrush]

i hate to disappoint all you noobs but oil reserves WILL NOT run out in 10 years

[AJalex]

i hate to disappoint all you noobs but oil reserves WILL NOT run out in 10 years

wana bet? c u in 10 years

[_TerrorBlade_]

i hate to disappoint all you noobs but oil reserves WILL NOT run out in 10 years

indeed... but humanity is in peril; a much greater peril...

[oOGen.LaZOo]

ROFL terrorblade is getting banned and unbanned again :)


AS WE KNOW , ONE DAY we will die so i'm not scared of it . (DOT)

[_TerrorBlade_]

you cannot mean the words... even the reaper himself would fear death. But that isnt the fact.. the fact is that the human soul does exist... so to speak, you will live forever... if you want to learn more try googleing.

ps: i was never banned before.

ontopic: wait... this is offtopic anyway =)

[Smurf]

we will meet in Hell, you'll find its very friendly.

He's visiting www.joyofsatan.org .... as a regular basis !
What can i say more ? xD

[On]Topic:Well,what can i say,those facts can be highly put to discussion,but ..is there anything we can do about it,unless talking ?
I mean..i suppose we can teach ourself to be more respectfull and to pay more attention to waisting resources,pollution and so on..
We can even teach our future childrens too,but not more...
Except some of us get president or sth ;p

[KeweLi]

not bad but its too incomplete... your knowledge about the real facts are lacking... consider this; in the past decates technology has evolved outstandingly fast, also if all oil will run out on the planet in 20years even if it would last 20 more we would still be at peril due to mass pollution. Thou still the oil crisis you talk about is just so .. stupid? there's enough oil on this earth (in US and EU) to power this earth for more than a hundred years. In case you dont know... the oil in Israel is less than 1$/litre. I believe that in the decates to come the main fuel will become electrical energy because its just everywhere... almost any thing has a bit of energy static or whatsoever it must be there. I was doing some project in the elementary school about an unlimited energy generator... i finished it but due to some issues i came across i couldnt handle back then it didnt the job as i expected... but i still believe (at least theoreticaly) that it should work. Unexpected... but lets get to the expected... i`ll tell you smthing i talked just recently with an elder friend; the IQ/GLOBE is drastically getting lower and lower... he told me that when he was younger and based on a worldwide research numbers were much higher, and that is because the population is rising quite fast(this is something logical), so fear that in the next 10years you will be sorrounded by a bunch of idiots(as we ocassionaly but increasily see on this forum).

You say the world will be at peril due to the mass population. Basically you are restating my point. I said that the oil is a turning point due to the exponential growth in the human population.

The United States have been running low on oil for quite some time now. There was a major decline back in 2004 and the country is one of the leading consumers. Yes, Europe has a lot. But can it support such a big world with so many countries raising their power? Britain for example get all their's from outside the country.

All this electrical energy you talk of which powers your everyday living comes from the generators. The generators need fuel (oil) to be powered. Hydroelectricty will only support a low population.

Actually there are cars running on water wich then is sent back to atmosphere and the water is infinite source of energy. There will never be more or less water than already in earth. Its just changing its state. And actually there was even a scientist who produced a car running on water instead of gas or oil. It wasnt as fast as others (like mere 40km/h) but that was because he was the only person working on his project. Soon he disappeared. All those things happen because huge oil companies dont want themselves ruined so they do all in their power to stop other sources of power. Also it would be wise to read Extasy and Fatman's posts because they bring some really good points too.
Yes I have looked at that, these cars running on water are no where near the efficieny of ones on oil.

Ab out electics power, i think there is no problem, solar and nuclear power are future. The same story goes for watter.
Call me a fatalist or whatever but some of you are playing too much Starcraft and C&C. Nuclear fusion cannot and will not be controlled when talking about large quantaties. Sorry but the fancy movies you see about the future will not happen. As for water, the water cycle is not getting enough time to work too. Due to the increasing population, there is not enough time for freshwater to infiltrate, vapourize and do all that. The Earth will continue to provide us with water, but it will not provide enough for the future population.

[Kiel]

Keweli i see you are really up to your point. Its not false, but its somewhere off the truth road. Have you heard something like "Requirement is the mother of invention"? This is the statement wich will really determine future of our planet.

First starting at generators. They need fuel but this fuel can be anything - starting from water, going through wind and ending at solar power. They are infinite, but they are harder to build because things like coal are actually cheaper than other ways of energy producing. And scientists are working on other generators wich will produce energy from water, not from water in rivers but from water itself.

About H2O cars. They are inefficient because they are new, and because oil companies dont want them to be efficient. Lets look at their point of view "Im making millions of cash everyday, why should i turn it down because some freak can make car wich will run on H2O fuel and will ruin my business?". Thats the reason why they are ineffective, and another reason is lack of manpower. People are discouraged by oil companies and they dont try to make better cars wich would run on water fuel. And back some time ago there were cars wich were running at 20km/h speed. Now after few years they are going like 300km/h? I expect the same to happen when more people will start working on water as fuel.

Keweli i dont want to insult you but you should start looking around. People who said that nuclear power is the futer are not wrong. If you really say that nuclear fusion can not be controlled in large quantities then i would like to hear some reasons why it wont? Because what is lacking in your posts is lack of reasons why should earth end in 10 years or why nuclear fusion isnt future. Im not a fluent english speaker and because of that i cant bring my most valid point wich are works on reactor called in polish "Termojądrowy". It would work in the same way as Hydrogen bombs, and the way sun produces its energy - in a controlled way hydrogen would synthesis with helium and as a product of this reaction would be O2 and helium + vast amounts of energy.


What im saying is that we shouldnt panic. People were panicing since ever, and there isnt reason to. In 10 years im planning to have 2 children and a beautifull wife without my head aching about some oil crisis and what will happen in next 10 years. If im going to die it will be because i will be too old, not because humanity is in peril ;)

i hate to disappoint all you noobs but oil reserves WILL NOT run out in 10 years
Well thats what i was trying to say hahahahah :D :D

[fatman69]

bio diesel = mass destoying of rain forests = global warming



dude get informed before you post.

biodiese,for your information, doesn't come from rain forrests, it comes from other plants used in agriculture. and as you see (and as i bloody said before, but no1 reads) you can plant whole lotta plants to produce biodiesel, the only problem is that the thing from plants that is used is their by-product, the part of plant that remains after you take away the eatible part. this led to a smaller crisis because people would plant stuff just for the by-product and they threw away the good part because they didnt even bother themselves with selling it. it's not that harmful for the environment but it's a great waste of food in a world where there's a lot of starvation.

and wtf is with you people and that oil?? you hear somebody say that oil will be gone in 10 years and you predict ****in Fallout/Mad Max outcome..you guys can't even imagine the sizes of the oil fields remaining. it will run out eventually but not soon and if it does **** it it's not the only thing. keweli (and all you who support his theory) your predictions are founded but you are going too far with that eco-craziness. those generators you speak of aren't powered with oil but coal (it will also run out), but you've got significant water-powered plants, and we can find a solution in the next 100 years (let's say we run out of every ****in thing by then like you predict). just try to imagine how much we've developed since the start of the 20th century, and the pace we are improving technologies is getting bigger so i think the prediction that we'll find a solution is well founded...

in short, keweli, i understand we need to take care of this planet but bloody hell stop panicking and check facts before you use'em. and i mean at some professionals not bloody magazine any kind of moron can write a doom's day article

[klemen]

dude get informed before you post.

biodiese,for your information, doesn't come from rain forrests, it comes from other plants used in agriculture. and as you see (and as i bloody said before, but no1 reads) you can plant whole lotta plants to produce biodiesel, the only problem is that the thing from plants that is used is their by-product, the part of plant that remains after you take away the eatible part. this led to a smaller crisis because people would plant stuff just for the by-product and they threw away the good part because they didnt even bother themselves with selling it. it's not that harmful for the environment but it's a great waste of food in a world where there's a lot of starvation.


The price of cereals raised up because of this. They started to change fields for food into fields for bio. That brings you less food and here we go-price up. -.-

[Kiel]

Oh i remember one more point to bring so everyone panic about oil running out will just stop.


Some time ago when (im not really sure if its right translation) Engine trains were used to transport people, Ecologists were whining that in such situation forests will be gone in like 15 years. And look now - we still have so many forests. And now people are whining about oil. Next people will whine about what? Stop doomsaying because its not going to happen in next 10, 100 or who knows maybe 1000 years. And oil wont be really a problem when it will run out, because theres more than enough alternative ways to use as fuel.

[KeweLi]

dude get informed before you post.

biodiese,for your information, doesn't come from rain forrests, it comes from other plants used in agriculture. and as you see (and as i bloody said before, but no1 reads) you can plant whole lotta plants to produce biodiesel, the only problem is that the thing from plants that is used is their by-product, the part of plant that remains after you take away the eatible part. this led to a smaller crisis because people would plant stuff just for the by-product and they threw away the good part because they didnt even bother themselves with selling it. it's not that harmful for the environment but it's a great waste of food in a world where there's a lot of starvation.

and wtf is with you people and that oil?? you hear somebody say that oil will be gone in 10 years and you predict ****in Fallout/Mad Max outcome..you guys can't even imagine the sizes of the oil fields remaining. it will run out eventually but not soon and if it does **** it it's not the only thing. keweli (and all you who support his theory) your predictions are founded but you are going too far with that eco-craziness. those generators you speak of aren't powered with oil but coal (it will also run out), but you've got significant water-powered plants, and we can find a solution in the next 100 years (let's say we run out of every ****in thing by then like you predict). just try to imagine how much we've developed since the start of the 20th century, and the pace we are improving technologies is getting bigger so i think the prediction that we'll find a solution is well founded...

in short, keweli, i understand we need to take care of this planet but bloody hell stop panicking and check facts before you use'em. and i mean at some professionals not bloody magazine any kind of moron can write a doom's day article

You are confused my friend. I believe oil will run out in the next 10-20 years because it's my opinion. And I believe it will mark a turning point to man kind. I am here just to express my views and you are most welcomed to say yours too, but without cursing and taunting our theories.

Maybe you havn't heard of diesel generators. But that is what they use in power plants for higher effiecieny. And you should do some research on your "water-powered plants". Then you will figure out why I said hydro-electricity can only support a small population.

So many talk about the world's improving technology. Yes, I agree technology has developed a substantial amount in the past century. First of all there is something in this world called limits. Things and people have limits. And secondly it's bias to compare inventions with time. I am taking an advanced history course right now and I can tell you from AD 1-1000, there were few inventions, and yet we discovered so much in the 20th century?

[obey.my.dreamz]

What makes me saying, ‘I don’t give a ****’ different than Patrick Henry saying, ‘Give me liberty or give me death’?? a ?

[klemen]

What makes me saying, ‘I don’t give a ****’ different than Patrick Henry saying, ‘Give me liberty or give me death’?? a ?

http://web3.knallgrau.at/static/twoday_stable05/bmworacleracing/images/wtf.jpg

[OMGBergrush]

You are confused my friend. I believe oil will run out in the next 10-20 years because it's my opinion. And I believe it will mark a turning point to man kind. I am here just to express my views and you are most welcomed to say yours too, but without cursing and taunting our theories.

actually it was thought that oil would run out soon but ever since there are ways to exploit oil form ocean depths with offshore platforms things are looking up. oil will not run out for AT LEAST 50 years even with the growing demand. i am not giving you my opinion here i asked my dad who has a Ph.D. in Physical chemistry
and who also happened to have worked in the yugoslav/serbian oil industry for some 30 years. so yeah...i think i counts a bit more than your "i think oil will run out in 10 years based on nothing"

[LyCaN.WarLorD]

well we have plenty of hydrogen and that will be fuel of future,but its a little bit expensive though :D But there is hope for humanity,huge solar plants are building,new generations of fuel cells are invented for cars but its pointless until USA and Australia decrease their C02 emissions...

[-eXtasY-]

Now really what do you think about properheces like Nostradamus's etc?
I've reed many of them and they are quite scaring and most of them are talking about wars which will almost destroy human race
Ill quote 2 nostradamus sentences
"Burning people will fall from the sky" and "Women will imagine that trees are men" Also most of them told simmular thing, that in the great war all will allie against one great enemy, and that the most powerfull force till then will be eaten by nature.
And if you look better great wars are so close , and can happen any time .

[LyCaN.WarLorD]

He predicted smth that really happened and smth that didnt...He predicted that end of the world will happen in 2012 yee :D.One creepy prophet lived near my city 150 years ago and he predicted many scary stuff that really happened and he told that we will tie our boats to mountain trees if we wanna live (global flood i guess :P )

[-eXtasY-]

He predicted smth that really happened and smth that didnt...He predicted that end of the world will happen in 2012 yee :D.
wasnt it 2017? anyway that info is not so reliable since we dont know which calendar did he use

[Bonzy]

He predicted smth that really happened and smth that didnt...He predicted that end of the world will happen in 2012 yee :D.One creepy prophet lived near my city 150 years ago and he predicted many scary stuff that really happened and he told that we will tie our boats to mountain trees if we wanna live (global flood i guess :P )

Maybe he just copied that from the Bible?

[LyCaN.WarLorD]

pff I dont know but my oppinion is that he didnt...

[fatman69]

y sorry keweli if i offended you m8, didn't mean to. i was trying to point out that a lot of us have valid sources who should be taken seriously, you are right about alternative power sources, but it's a new technology (relatively) and these things take time to catch on..and believe me there are a lot of renewable sources that can suply mankind with power.

i understand your concern but, as i said, try to understand that others know a lot as well as you do so you chould take our oppinions into consideration.. sry again if i offended you

[KeweLi]

y sorry keweli if i offended you m8, didn't mean to. i was trying to point out that a lot of us have valid sources who should be taken seriously, you are right about alternative power sources, but it's a new technology (relatively) and these things take time to catch on..and believe me there are a lot of renewable sources that can suply mankind with power.

i understand your concern but, as i said, try to understand that others know a lot as well as you do so you chould take our oppinions into consideration.. sry again if i offended you

Ah it's fine, I get like that too sometimes. Part of the reason why I started this thread is to collect more perspectives and maybe improve my article.

[KeweLi]

I would like to continue on with the population part...

Some of you might know this, but we measure the consumption of every human by a footprint. This "footprint" effects the "carrying capacity" which is the limit of humans on the earth in order for it to sustain its ability for the future.
Humans today are boosting in greater and greater numbers due to 3 main reasons:
1) Nutritients and Technology are increasing people's life span.
2) Half of the world population are under 25 years old so the population will rise by several billions in the next few decades.
3) Birth rates remain super high in some places where the education is low. They need the children to support them both physically and financially.

Here is a graph of how a new species encroachment works:
http://www.mansfield.ohio-state.edu/~sabedon/black06_files/image004.gif

Lets use rabbits for example.
A is the lag phase, where only 2 rabbits are on the new island.
B is the exponential phase, the rabbits are increasing.
C is the stationary phase, the population is at its limit.
D is the death phase, diseases spread easier with so many rabbits, resources are lacking, conflict rises between rabbit and rabbit.

Humans are fastly going up the exponential phase. We have already seen the lag phase in history where the population has been steady, and it is likely we reach the stationary phase fairly soon. There have been countless signs of this. One recent example on the news is how glaciers in parts of the world are freeing it's trapped carbon dioxide. The ocean and glaciers absorb a tremendous amount of carbon, and due to temperature change, they are not working so well anymore.

Please post your views.

[NumbAndTimeless]

Now really what do you think about properheces like Nostradamus's etc?
I've reed many of them and they are quite scaring and most of them are talking about wars which will almost destroy human race
Ill quote 2 nostradamus sentences
"Burning people will fall from the sky" and "Women will imagine that trees are men" Also most of them told simmular thing, that in the great war all will allie against one great enemy, and that the most powerfull force till then will be eaten by nature.
And if you look better great wars are so close , and can happen any time .

You are ridiculous. Nostradamus made over thousands of predictions, and for the love of the flying spaghetti monster, he said "there is will be a bloody war etc etc" who would get that prediction wrong? No one, because its ****ing human nature to be competitive and lusty for war, for space and of course for resources. Please spare us with your "emotions" on the "prophecies" your pity full Nostradamus did, of course out of a thousand predictions he must ave gotten 2 or 3 right, and take into account that i am not even scrutinizing the actual metaphorically meanings in his predictions and the biasness, ridicules.

He predicted smth that really happened and smth that didnt...He predicted that end of the world will happen in 2012 yee .One creepy prophet lived near my city 150 years ago and he predicted many scary stuff that really happened and he told that we will tie our boats to mountain trees if we wanna live (global flood i guess :P )

Woaw, the story of the great flood, what bullocks. How many "prophets" have actually said that something like that will happen? Hundred and thousands? Please its so contemptible to actually hear this from a person which is over a certain age, get over these foolish jokes.

About the growing population, people are you actually so naive and so ignorant to believe we will come the stage of overpopulation? Its bizarre to think we will come to that phase, there are Wars going on, hundred of people die daily because of disease and weapons, there is quite enough space for the population at the moment, and even if it increases more, it will be brought under control, Aids, HIV, Cancer so many other disease which are deadly are enough to keep the population in an reasonable number. Look at history and watch how huge population were brought to extinction, look at voracious Wars, and vanished civilizations because of natural phenomena. Stop being so paranoid and think that the world will come an end, we are simply social animals, we evolve to adopt to our environment, if the environment changes we will evolve and adopt to it, thats the beauty of nature, more or less we just prepare the world for the next generation to come.

About Oil, Berg is completely right, are you people ludicrous to think that Oil will have any kind of effect if it perishes, for **** sake, if you think the world wont actually prepare itself for such a thing you are a complete ignorant and a top-class idiot, of course scientists will find other ways of producing sufficient energy to actually keep us going, oil is just another source nothing else, look at how technology is developing, its antic to think that we wont have any solution to this particular problem.

Did you read? We will run out of it in 10 years. This is preety close.

On the other side, it would be impressive to live in such days. 21 century. Dam, i hope i will live for next 100 years.

All those who said: "Who cares" are noobs. This shows the attitude of majority on the planet.

USA is backstabbing country. They have biggest pollution, and they didn't sign Kyoto protocol.

Firstly, we won't run out of oil in 10 years, i have no idea where you get your information from but its clearly false.
Secondly USA is not a backstabbing country, its quite smart, as well as Canada, why would you give something away which makes your country stronger and much more developed then other countries? Why would i give you 1 millions dollars just to make you my equal? Are you so obtuse to indeed think i would give you 1 million dollars just to be your equal, just to make you happy, how brainless are you?. Stop whining just because USA is enough intelegent to not allow to become equal to other parts of the world, not implying that is good, but that is reality, i wouldn't do such a thing if i was in power, tell me a good reason why USA would want to do such a thing? And please don't name those idiotic reasons like; It will save the world, Saves a lot of life's, would make it equal etc, don't think USA cares about life or such things. Money is all they need.

[KeweLi]

About the growing population, people are you actually so naive and so ignorant to believe we will come the stage of overpopulation? Its bizarre to think we will come to that phase, there are Wars going on, hundred of people die daily because of disease and weapons, there is quite enough space for the population at the moment, and even if it increases more, it will be brought under control, Aids, HIV, Cancer so many other disease which are deadly are enough to keep the population in an reasonable number. Look at history and watch how huge population were brought to extinction, look at voracious Wars, and vanished civilizations because of natural phenomena. Stop being so paranoid and think that the world will come an end, we are simply social animals, we evolve to adopt to our environment, if the environment changes we will evolve and adopt to it, thats the beauty of nature, more or less we just prepare the world for the next generation to come.

Consider somethings there. As I said, technology has enriched society and saved lives meaning diseases aren't killing close to what they did back then. For your information birth rates beat the death rate at our time, and you are quite foolish to think that the population growth is not a problem. The more people, the more footprints, and the more resources we are using.

[IOwnYouAll]

well about overpopulation...yes we are getting there...statistics say that by 2050(if i remember right) india will have mor population than china...in africa the birth rate is higher than almost anywhere else on the planet...wars there? not to many...animals? ye mb...but we're exapanding tehnology,so ppl life spam will increase...

about the oil runing out in 10 years...you sayd that that's bullcrap...well why do you think that you're ALLWAYS right and we're not? i mean mb you're sources are not so good...i'm sure that you document youreself very good but still... I've heard last year in school that USA's oil suply's are running out,and pritty quick(yea...about 10 years)

oh and please don't be such a smart ass...you only posts empty words but don't back it up... Keweli posted what he found...if you find something,let us see where you found it,not just insult us,saying that we're social animals. 1st of all we're humans.

ps: interesting chart with the rabbits keweli ;)

[fatman69]

firstly, India has probably outgrown china by now, u can't even imagine how many ppl live in their cities, this is a great problem. scientist, demographers to be exact, agree that today is impossible to count the population of India precisely +/- 2million. it's just unimaginable, but it's like that. not all parts of India,ofc, but its largest cities.

secondly, about that rate of population progression, i don't see anything alarming there...if u are scared of that population drop, it just means that less children will be born, not that millions of people will die. africa/south america/india should be worried, people might die of starvation there. but it's not my problem, no1 s forcing them to breed like ****in rabbits... and y, the population of europe is currently dying but that's the reason why governements are introducing financial stimulation for families.

[The.Traveller]

It is unlikely human race will become extinct before our planet "dies".And even if planet runs out of some resources,like oil,why should this mean we will dissapear? Humans had once lived without it,we can survive as well.Ofc the worst it can happen is we would live almost like our ancestors,the cave-men.Diseases would affect mostly the low class of society,especially poor people from Africa and Asia.So,the ones who remain would start from the beginning (like our ancestors).History would repeat itself,as it always does.Maybe in some cases would do it better.How and when,i cannot possibly know :)
It's too late for us to stop anything that would affect us and/or the planet,but not too late to dimish the damages.But who is ready for this?
Anyway,it's senseless claim a theory based on another theory...

[IOwnYouAll]

well fatman,about the people in europe are dyeing because young coples first think of carear,and secondly of children...and make kids at 30 YO ...and no more than 2... this is usualy to for educated cuples,unlike the,not so educated cuples that make like 6-7 kids,and strugeling to survive.

as for the humans begining to be like our ancestors...ye pritty much agree with that...IQ is droping,people are becoming stupid and uneducated...

there's been a study(in england i thing) ,that if a comet hit the earth,and no more tehnology was available and an ice age came,ppl wouldn't be abel to surive...we are to addicted to tehnology(so ppl wouldn't be abel to survive as a caveman :D)...and yea....i agree...sometimes when the power goes down...it's VERY BORRING to just sit in the house....

[The.Traveller]

there's been a study(in england i thing) ,that if a comet hit the earth,and no more tehnology was available and an ice age came,ppl wouldn't be abel to surive...we are to addicted to tehnology(so ppl wouldn't be abel to survive as a caveman :D)...and yea....i agree...sometimes when the power goes down...it's VERY BORRING to just sit in the house....

But this is just a theory based on another theory ;) This doesn't prove anything.Instinct of survival is one of the oldest and strongest instincts humans ever possesed.So,i hardly believe we would die without technology.Sooner or later we would get accustomed with its absence due to the need to survive.Not that i would like to reach such times .... :unsure:

[LSD_efect]

fatman how can you say india has outgrown china???
it's china ffs the people are like rabits there

[KeweLi]

fatman how can you say india has outgrown china???
it's china ffs the people are like rabits there

Indian are outgrowing China...China has a one child per couple policy but India doesn't.


It is unlikely human race will become extinct before our planet "dies".And even if planet runs out of some resources,like oil,why should this mean we will dissapear? Humans had once lived without it,we can survive as well.Ofc the worst it can happen is we would live almost like our ancestors,the cave-men.Diseases would affect mostly the low class of society,especially poor people from Africa and Asia.

I strongly disagree with that. As I said right at the first post, if the current situation continues, humans will be at risk of extinction before the planet ends. We are talking about crucial resources, ones that humans "need" like oil.
You say diseases will effect the low class people, and you are right, but it also effects us. Countries like India/Pakistan have an outrageously high poverty population, but they have things like nuclear missiles there. Nations may start to use violence when things don't go the way they want, how many times in history have we seen this, (American Revolution, WWs..etc). Unfortunately, the development of weaponary today is beyond imagination and there would not be many countries left if it were to be used.
Does this not foreshadow the death phase?

[fatman69]

well fatman,about the people in europe are dyeing because young coples first think of carear,and secondly of children...and make kids at 30 YO ...and no more than 2... this is usualy to for educated cuples,unlike the,not so educated cuples that make like 6-7 kids,and strugeling to survive.

well duh....we are not discussing the reasons why it is happening, i've just stated that dying of population isn't strange


as for the humans begining to be like our ancestors...ye pritty much agree with that...IQ is droping,people are becoming stupid and uneducated...


stop learning about evolution and education from KoRn videos, OK?i knew some1 would mention it, it's full of flaws. IQ is genetic, it's not smth determined by social status...how can u be sure our IQ is dropping, and even if it is, the survival of the fitest or the most intelligent would soon come to scene and all the inbred ****tards would perish...

fatman how can you say india has outgrown china???
it's china ffs the people are like rabits there

people WERE like rabbits, keweli explained policy. last exact population count was i think 7-8 years ago, and china had myb 100-200 million people more, which is really not that much, china's population is dropping, indi'a is increasing. china introduced strict birth control somewhere at the start of 80's or 90's (i think, not sure). india started introducing it i think last 5 years myb...

But this is just a theory based on another theory ;) This doesn't prove anything.Instinct of survival is one of the oldest and strongest instincts humans ever possesed.So,i hardly believe we would die without technology.Sooner or later we would get accustomed with its absence due to the need to survive.Not that i would like to reach such times .... :unsure:

i agree, we are capable of surviving a lot of **** so i don't thing going back to stone age would make us extinct. we would still keep some basic medical, biological, nutricinist knowledge and society would soon be rebuilt. in a short perion i'd say, 1000 years,perhaps ...(although it doesn't sound so, it would be short)

[The.Traveller]

We are talking about crucial resources, ones that humans "need" like oil.
You say diseases will effect the low class people, and you are right, but it also effects us. Countries like India/Pakistan have an outrageously high poverty population, but they have things like nuclear missiles there. Nations may start to use violence when things don't go the way they want, how many times in history have we seen this, (American Revolution, WWs..etc). Unfortunately, the development of weaponary today is beyond imagination and there would not be many countries left if it were to be used.
Does this not foreshadow the death phase?

Crucial resources are oxygen,water and food.Our ancestors didn't need oil to exist :laugh:
But let's not go around in circles.What you said next is a very touch subject.It's likely we will kill between ourselves BEFORE any other factor will cause humans to become extinct.But wtf!!! I believe we reached times when reason allows us to learn the lessons from history and not repeat the mistakes.Why would we have reason if we don't know how to use it?

[NumbAndTimeless]

Human Beings are their Own Destruction.

[KeweLi]

Crucial resources are oxygen,water and food.Our ancestors didn't need oil to exist :laugh:
But let's not go around in cles.What you said next is a very touch subject.It's likely we will kill between ourselves BEFORE any other factor will cause humans to become extinct.But wtf!!! I believe we reached times when reason allows us to learn the lessons from history and not repeat the mistakes.Why would we have reason if we don't know how to use it?

Oil is a key concept. Our ancestors didn't require oil because they were not in the age of technology that needed it. Can you imagine even a week where the world cannot use vehichles, ships, and planes? Oil will lead to warfare and it already has. Why did the Americans go into Afghanistan and Iraq? Do you actually believe it is all about the whole "terrorism" thing. They went into remove groups like the taliban from control of oil rifineries. And this is just the beggining of oil competition.

Food is a crucial thing of course. But do you know that 1/5 of the world's population consumes 4/5 of the world's food?

Viruses also mutate. There are big talks about the change and variation of the H5N1 virus. Places like India are the ideal parts to spread a disease. There are no breeding policies like China and loads of their people all wash/drink from the same river. The greatest wipe out we had was the Spanish Flu in 1918. It killed over 20 million people in 6 months, and around 50-100 million overall. So more people died in 6 months than in 4 years of the bloodiest war. Remember that the people at that time didn't even travel much, now days I can get across the world easily. So my point is that if India spreads a deadly disease, it will get all over the world in no time.

So some of you are saying there will only be a population drop and not extinction. If even a billion people die, that means you are at 1/5-6 chance of dying. Your friends and family are too. The population HAS to drop down some time, the planet is almost just at the limit and we can certainly predict the population still rising faster than ever.

[OMGBergrush]

Can you imagine even a week where the world cannot use vehichles, ships, and planes?

Yes, I can. In fact I have lived through a whole year of basically no car driving, 8h/day without electricity and insufficient food and it was no big deal.

[Kiel]

People seem to live in Africa without electricity and oil and somehow they live.

I suggest all doomsayers to stop playing W3 because it gives you guys too much time to think and you are starting to come with such ridiculous theories like no cars in 10 years. Even tho many of us showed reasonable facts wich proove youre statements to be false.

I bet all my money that i will die and there will still be huge oil reserves + im not going to die till like 60+

[`AVAX]

I bet all my money that i will die and there will still be huge oil reserves + im not going to die till like 60+

Another prophet, ruuuun!

God damn Rockefeller.

To tell y'all the truth about what I think, I think we will somehow find a way to survive, and it's up to the big guys.

[obey.my.dreamz]

Yes, I can. In fact I have lived through a whole year of basically no car driving, 8h/day without electricity and insufficient food and it was no big deal.

'99?

[`AVAX]

'99?

Wretched times.

[OMGBergrush]

'99?

actually i was talking about `93. the `99 wasnt half as bad as `93 because even with all the planes dropping bombs and **** i could still use the internet and drive a car so it wasnt that bad

[fatman69]

So some of you are saying there will only be a population drop and not extinction. If even a billion people die, that means you are at 1/5-6 chance of dying. Your friends and family are too.

oh c'mon you're just abusing the statistics...u can't honestly say that people in developed countries have the same chance of dying like people in undeveloped countries of sub-saharic africa or in middle east countries like afganistan, iraq, uzbekistan....

the average number of children in a family in the world is ,let's say, 2.5..it's hypothetic as i said, just to ilustrate a point so don't take it for actual fact. does that mean that every family has 2-3 kids, or that some families have 3, some have 2 , some have neither and some gypsy mother****ers have 20??
same goes here, if 1 billion people dies it doesn't give a a better chance for that, at least not that big as u picture it. the fact is that chines (hindoos, people of india aswell) make 1/6 of world population each. i understand that in hong kong it probably is so, but in europe that would mean that out of 6 person you know there has to be 1 chinese and 1 hindoo... how come i havent met a single 1???


The population HAS to drop down some time, the planet is almost just at the limit and we can certainly predict the population still rising faster than ever.

agree on that1, but it would be just slow dying of population, people will start having less and less children till we reach normal level , then population will go high again, it's like the wave man, from high point to low point. but not with massive dying or anything, it just means that there will bemore old people dying, in their ripe age of 80 yrs respectively, than children being born... as simple as that.:cool2: :cool2:

[OMGBergrush]

like people in undeveloped countries of sub-saharic africa or in middle east countries like afganistan, iraq, uzbekistan....

afganistan is not in the middle east and neither is uzbekistan. their region is called central asia

[IOwnYouAll]

hmmm i saw on tv and on some news sites that scientists found some black holes that will engulf the earth in 400-500 years ..... sux lol....

we are dead xD

[NumbAndTimeless]

hmmm i saw on tv and on some news sites that scientists found some black holes that will engulf the earth in 400-500 years ..... sux lol....
lol. Actually that’s wrong, you have some facts right, but the "400-500 years" thing is completely wrong. The Black Hole you are talking about i assume is the one we are nearest too, which is in the nearest Galaxy to our own. Scientists said that the time is indefinitely on when we going to be in contact with it, they also took in consideration that we might never even get in contact with it, or we will never get pulled by the Black Holes immense gravity. But the galaxy it's in is being completely crushed by its gravity force.

Furthermore there is nothing to worry for the human race or any living thing in this pitiful planet we live in, I mean we are talking about astrological years, Millions/Billions years, and the galaxy nearest to us is light-years away from us, I don't know the exact distance but when we are talking about the universe, I would assume it’s quite a big distance.

[OMGBergrush]

next to my workplace is a bakery and there works a guy who has 300kg at least i mean he is enormous. when he sits on a chair his stomach touches the ground. anyway im pretty sure that as long as he lives we are safe from black holes because this guy can eat at least 4-5 of them.

[fatman69]

afganistan is not in the middle east and neither is uzbekistan. their region is called central asia

that is the ****in middle east.. ok uzbekistan myb not but iraq and afghan certainly are...

[The.Traveller]

Keweli,no offence,but what are you worried more about? About human extinction or technology extinction? We are not physically dependent on technology,there are other factors which may cause OUR race to dissapear.
There had been much more wars in teh past,during mediaval times,more illnesses (like the great plague).And look at us nowadays,still growing in number.It happens so fast because it grows geometrically.And no matter if the biggest part of population dies someday,it will increase again.
Only if something from "outside" destroys Earth.Or if teh planet runs out of all natural resources,including wood,plant embryos and water,we definitly may go extinct.Or who knows,human race can become mutant and learn to survive with a different type of "food".As long as the planet is safe,we are safe too.

[Kiel]

Well if i would live in Hong Kong, and would be in growing up phase i would probably think the same about human extinction and such. Such things really matter. But thank god im not - thats why i find things like the one mentioned by Berg funny - and thanks god for that - make love and sex stop bothering with world xD :P

Also i find this thread pointless - no one from those doomsayers actually have any good argument. They are just repeating themselves - no offence but thats the sad truth.

[The.Traveller]

Also i find this thread pointless - no one from those doomsayers actually have any good argument. They are just repeating themselves - no offence but thats the sad truth.

Because its everything based on "what if" theory.One can never be sure about what surprises future will bring...

[XFIRE]

Every race ends somehow..

Dinosaurs, most powerful and feared creatures that ever existed on Earth, ended too..

What makes you think, we shall survive?

Not to mention the chance of some meteorite hitting the earth in the next 30 years, or, as some scientists already said, sun will grow over 100x times of his actual size, and Earth will be burnt to the ground.

Still, until those natural calamities ****s will happen, there are chances that humans will find some other ways to exchange resources that are running out, with others, as they always did..

[`AVAX]

What makes you think, we shall survive?

Well, because we are not dinosaurs, we got a a brain we can think with, that's what makes us different from all the other animals after all.

[XFIRE]

Well, because we are not dinosaurs, we got a a brain we can think with, that's what makes us different from all the other animals after all.

Did you ever watch the movie or read the book called 'War of the Worlds' ?

try it.

[`AVAX]

Did you ever watch the movie or read the book called 'War of the Worlds' ?

try it.

Yeah, I actually did both.
It's a story about some machines that invaded Earth, the machines came from under the ground, they were controlled by aliens.
I don't see what's the point.

[obey.my.dreamz]

i totally agree with avax on #74 post .

[XFIRE]

Heh, then you should take it as a warning.. :)

Because, there perfectly shows how human intelligence is easily humiliated by calamities or alien intelligence..

Sometimes, the 'brain', that we got (comparing to animals), is nothing compared to some extraterrestrial issues..

[`AVAX]

Heh, then you should take it as a warning.. :)

Because, there perfectly shows how human intelligence is easily humiliated by calamities or alien intelligence..

Sometimes, the 'brain', that we got (comparing to animals), is nothing compared to some extraterrestrial issues..

Hm... But you should also consider it is just a movie. It was a very quick invasion, noone knew about it, humans weren't prepared, there was no resistance at the start, but in the end nature wins, a perfect example of what we were discussing here.

[OMGBergrush]

i dont believe in aliens. yes i know there are billions upon billions of planets capable of supporting life but i think there are no intelligent beings out there especially not uberadvanced tier3 completed research aliens bent on stomping our terran balls. and even if there are and they come i can safely bet that 2nd call timok division would stomp them because those guys faced odds a lot worse in the balkan wars with the turks and later bulgarians and later with the austrohungarians and germans. the main problem is that those guys are long dead but anyway my point remains the same and that is that there are no aliens and humans will stomp up whatever crisis comes our way because we got command centers and supply depots and bunkers and ****.

p.s. the phrase at peril is incorrect, the correct form would be humans in peril

[NumbAndTimeless]

Every race ends somehow..

Dinosaurs, most powerful and feared creatures that ever existed on Earth, ended too..

What makes you think, we shall survive?

Not to mention the chance of some meteorite hitting the earth in the next 30 years, or, as some scientists already said, sun will grow over 100x times of his actual size, and Earth will be burnt to the ground.

Still, until those natural calamities ****s will happen, there are chances that humans will find some other ways to exchange resources that are running out, with others, as they

What makes us think we can survive? Well, firstly we have a mere advanced intelligence compared to other species in this world; secondly we do have an advanced technology and science, which in my eyes developed drastically in these past decades. So I think were quite set to survive a couple of thousands of years more, or even millions.

Now, about the meteor things, what are you babbling about? In the next 30 years? Please tell me, don't you read scientific books? The Up-To-Date ones? If a meteor is heading for our planet we would know at least hundreds or ever thousands of years before, astronomy developed immensely these past decades, Hubble telescope would spot the meteorite thousands of light-years away, and with the calculations possible by super computers today, scientists would be able to calculate the exact root the meteor would be heading if it pointed a risk to our existence.

Now let’s move to the Sun growing 100x the size it is now. This process you are talking about is the Life-Death of a star. You are talking about when the our Sun becomes a Red Giant which would basically wipe out planets till the distance of Mars, but nevertheless it wouldn’t arrive earth at least a couple of millions or billions years more to actually absorb it, yes it would recon that no life would be able to live under those conditions, but we are talking about billions of years here, it will take billions of years till the Sun becomes a Red Giant, so I don't think we have much to worry about our Sun at the moment.

So my conclusion is, go read up-to-date science, then reread you facts.

Veritas vos Liberabit.

[KeweLi]

Keweli,no offence,but what are you worried more about? About human extinction or technology extinction? We are not physically dependent on technology,there are other factors which may cause OUR race to dissapear.
There had been much more wars in teh past,during mediaval times,more illnesses (like the great plague).And look at us nowadays,still growing in number.It happens so fast because it grows geometrically.And no matter if the biggest part of population dies someday,it will increase again.
Only if something from "outside" destroys Earth.Or if teh planet runs out of all natural resources,including wood,plant embryos and water,we definitly may go extinct.Or who knows,human race can become mutant and learn to survive with a different type of "food".As long as the planet is safe,we are safe too.
How can you be safe when you mentioned that the population will increase again even if part of the population dies. Are you not part of the population group or what? And as I explaned, when a strong disease comes into action, we are talking about maybe a few hundred million people.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7093427.stm (a virus likely to mutate)
The question is when will it happen? and how fast it will expand.


Yes, I can. In fact I have lived through a whole year of basically no car driving, 8h/day without electricity and insufficient food and it was no big deal.
Maybe you are in some undeveloped country, but a world without vehichles is just bizzare. America alone had an estimate of 240,000,000 registered passenger vehicles in 2004.


Also i find this thread pointless - no one from those doomsayers actually have any good argument. They are just repeating themselves - no offence but thats the sad truth.
Go play your video games, and don't post here if if you find it pointless.


oh c'mon you're just abusing the statistics...u can't honestly say that people in developed countries have the same chance of dying like people in undeveloped countries of sub-saharic africa or in middle east countries like afganistan, iraq, uzbekistan....

Yes but if you look at my previous example of the Spanish flu, were Britain, France, US, and Canada all undeveloped nations? It even went to the Artic and islands. The world has become a multicultural place, for instance I can just as easily live in the UK or Australia as I am living in Hong Kong.


Well, because we are not dinosaurs, we got a a brain we can think with, that's what makes us different from all the other animals after all.
And did those big brain of ours not think the Earth was flat for 2000 years?


What makes us think we can survive? Well, firstly we have a mere advanced intelligence compared to other species in this world; secondly we do have an advanced technology and science, which in my eyes developed drastically in these past decades. So I think were quite set to survive a couple of thousands of years more, or even millions.
Technology is not invincible. Does advanced technology not strengthen warfare? The planet will be in smithereens if Great Britain, US, and Russia fire their missiles.Technology has not brought us a new type of source as efficient as oil. And oil WILL run out. Read the news guys, countries are battling for oil even now and the consumption of it only increases through time.

[Kiel]

Go play your video games, and don't post here if if you find it pointless.

Not that i expected more from you than this simple reply - but i find YOU posting here to be pointless (Because you really lack points).

PS
I dont have console like XBOX - so if you are planning to run out of oil in 10 years and you are about to die, how about you send it to me? I will make good use out of it - and you wont need it anymore - you are going to die getting killed by aliens, or being squished by mass of indians who suddnely will fall from the sky right?

PS2
I wouldnt mind if you will send me some video games by the way too!

PS3

And did those big brain of ours not think the Earth was flat for 2000 years?


Im glad that my brain is not 2000 years old because if it would be - hell i would be in serious trouble!

[LSD_efect]

let's face it guys we are all gona die

but i will have my body frozen until they develop some kind of tehnology that will restore my youth and my good looks

and PS what does peril means-something like end,banishe,destruction?

[IOwnYouAll]

let's face it guys we are all gona die

but i will have my body frozen until they develop some kind of tehnology that will restore my youth and my good looks

and PS what does peril means-something like end,banishe,destruction?

peril = danger

about the youth and good looks beeing restored if you freeze yourself...mb it will be posible in the near 100-200 years...i don't see it sooner(like in the near 20 years or so)

[`AVAX]

And did those big brain of ours not think the Earth was flat for 2000 years?


Well I don't think we should know every mystery in the world just cause we have a brain. That was very stupid of you to say.
But we know today that Earth is not flat, that is because the human race has advanced, of course that couldn't be done in the early times by a prophet or a philosopher. There were people who wanted to proove the world wrong, like Columbus of course. History tells us how 'bright' is the human mind, people had great imagination even back in the times.

[KeweLi]

Well I don't think we should know every mystery in the world just cause we have a brain. That was very stupid of you to say.
But we know today that Earth is not flat, that is because the human race has advanced, of course that couldn't be done in the early times by a prophet or a philosopher. There were people who wanted to proove the world wrong, like Columbus of course. History tells us how 'bright' is the human mind, people had great imagination even back in the times.

It was stupid because you know I am right. Here you are saying we won't know every mystery when your argument against xFire was about how superior humans are.

the human race has advanced, of course that couldn't be done in the early times by a prophet or a philosopher.
So advanced that one missle can blow up an entire country.

[`AVAX]

It was stupid because you know I am right. Here you are saying we won't know every mystery when your argument against xFire was about how superior humans are.

We will know almost all of the world's mysteries in time, of course, by studying and working on them, I didn't mean to say that we can just guess them right away cause we have a brain and we are intelligent.

I have no comment about the nuclear weapons, I dissagree at the first thought with the people who even had the idea to make them.

[Kiel]

So Keweli you were the one who deleted my post? Maybe you should start from yourself? I hope you understand that it was power abuse right? The fact that you got moderator status here doesnt mean you are untouchable - i hope you know that.

No matter how stupid my post may sound to you, its not your private board. No matter what you think, no matter how adult you think you are, no matter how smart you think you are - you are just a moderator. And you still have people in higher position than you.

And dont expect more than stupid reply when you make a stupid points.

Anyway:

Not that i expected more from you than this simple reply - but i find YOU posting here to be pointless (Because you really lack points).

PS
I dont have console like XBOX - so if you are planning to run out of oil in 10 years and you are about to die, how about you send it to me? I will make good use out of it - and you wont need it anymore - you are going to die getting killed by aliens, or being squished by mass of indians who suddnely will fall from the sky right?

PS2
I wouldnt mind if you will send me some video games by the way too!


America alone had an estimate of 240,000,000 registered passenger vehicles in 2004.
And how does it counter the argument that people can live without cars. We did live like that for thousands of years and now we are going to suddently die just becuase we couldnt use cars? And why dont you say anything about the fact that there are already cars running on water? Better stop because you are drowning in your own arguments.

[XFIRE]

Try to focus on the thread itself.. stop deleting posts or ****ting here..

[ProfileScorp]

i have a request for every1 who thinks humans are 'at peril': go kill urselves, and rush things a bit :)

[KeweLi]

Hmm, many of you are posting but not actually reading everything. What I have to say is said, and there is no point for me to post anymore because this thread has been ruined.

[_Spartan_]

Well we people dont think about the future..
we just do things and dont think about what we are doing..
kew has a point, but you people cant understand and ruined this thread..
As you can see on discovery chanels, antarctic ice started to melt and for the next 10 years it will be fully melted, so water will rise and then the earth itself will fall into water.. With time, temperature will rise..
poor us..

[Kiel]

Hmm, many of you are posting but not actually reading everything. What I have to say is said, and there is no point for me to post anymore because this thread has been ruined.

Translating from english to english:

I have no more arguments wich could proove my theory and i know that it would be be unwise for me to acknowledge that i was wrong. I did try to delete posts but it didnt work. Now i try to say that everyone is wrong because they dont bother reading my sad arguments like:


[...]Go play your video games[...]



So instead of admitting that im wrong i will just say that this thread is ruined. This statement will allow me to leave while preserving good face.

Anyway back to the topic - you failed.


As you can see on discovery chanels, antarctic ice started to melt and for the next 10 years it will be fully melted, so water will rise and then the earth itself will fall into water.. With time, temperature will rise..
poor us..

First - i suppose you have some good arguments wich will proove your theory that Antarctica will melt in 10 years? Mind sharing them with me?
Second - I brought this argument few pages back -


Some time ago when (im not really sure if its right translation) Engine trains were used to transport people, Ecologists were whining that in such situation forests will be gone in like 15 years. And look now - we still have so many forests. And now people are whining about oil. Next people will whine about what?


I find quoting myself utterly pointless (because if you didnt read it before, or you did but didnt understand then i doubt you will understand or read it now) but still i take my chances.

i have a request for every1 who thinks humans are 'at peril': go kill urselves, and rush things a bit :)

Maybe its a good suggestion - some people should reconsider it.

[ProfileScorp]

Translating from english to english:

I have no more arguments wich could proove my theory and i know that it would be be unwise for me to acknowledge that i was wrong. I did try to delete posts but it didnt work. Now i try to say that everyone is wrong because they dont bother reading my sad arguments like:




So instead of admitting that im wrong i will just say that this thread is ruined. This statement will allow me to leave while preserving good face.




ROFL!! :D

[XFIRE]

So instead of admitting that im wrong i will just say that this thread is ruined. This statement will allow me to leave while preserving good face.

Wrong. Arguments were bought, based on real statistics, but still, it ain't nothing to do with your ignorance, because that is why you didn't even get what he wrote.

Back to topic;

Why didn't anyone mention the inflation? Because, it will be the cause why millions of people will die, in the not well economically organized countries..

I can feel it here, in my country, also.

Prices going up, salaries stay still or rising a bit, while others don't know how to spend their money and what gadgets to buy, what Maybach/Bentley to choose, what fur clothes to buy, what golden watches or mobile phones to assign to themselves..

It is one of the biggest financial troubles, if not even the biggest.. Who and how will balance life economical conditions?

[Kiel]

Wrong. Arguments were bought, based on real statistics, but still, it ain't nothing to do with your ignorance, because that is why you didn't even get what he wrote.

Uff im glad that im not the only ignorant here hah ... none of my arguments was disprooved.

I didnt saw any real argument wich would be seconded by a real statistic. In all of cases it either was lacking an argument or statistic.

And about inflation ill leave it for now. I dont really see inflation making humans extinct.

[The.Traveller]

Why didn't anyone mention the inflation? Because, it will be the cause why millions of people will die, in the not well economically organized countries..

I can feel it here, in my country, also.

Prices going up, salaries stay still or rising a bit, while others don't know how to spend their money and what gadgets to buy, what Maybach/Bentley to choose, what fur clothes to buy, what golden watches or mobile phones to assign to themselves..

It is one of the biggest financial troubles, if not even the biggest.. Who and how will balance life economical conditions?

So,why not kill the biggest part of politicians? Economy will become more organised and world population will decrease a bit so resources will be saved.
Btw,XFIRE,i understand what u mean...

So,presuming the peril is close,we should ask ourselves what we can do to delay it and to minimise the effects.And the most important,who will really do it...

[_Spartan_]

First - i suppose you have some good arguments wich will proove your theory that Antarctica will melt in 10 years? Mind sharing them with me?
Second - I brought this argument few pages back
I dont need to..
read news...
I was boored to look up last pages..
I just gave some facts that will happen cause of humanity not being carefull..
its true

[LSD_efect]

there will always be extremly poor and extremly rich people.
thats the balance of the univerzus
have you guy seen pics from kids in africa who are diyng of hunger,they look like walking skeletons.Somethink should be done about that,it's preaty sad
throw them a bone,i say haha

[fatman69]

Hmm, many of you are posting but not actually reading everything. What I have to say is said, and there is no point for me to post anymore because this thread has been ruined.

i agree on that1, guys read 2 posts and just went off-topic. kiel -first with his 12 year old boy attitude, my god man if u don't have anything smart to say don't ****in spam here. if u got good arguments say, if not don't try to look (or sound) smart/funny...

spartan- wtf man u just came to last thread, things u say were mentioned on the start, either read the whole frickin thread or don't post at all

XFire- aliens are not the issue, and inflation is not the global problem. if your country faces inflation, get the best education u can and get da **** outta there and stop spaming aswell

omgbergrush- again, aliens are not the issue, u got "paranormal unexplainable" thread, post that alien **** there

on-topic- about the flu virus keweli mentioned, or just about expected population drop. people aren't gonna die all of a sudden, and people in developed countries have better chances of survival, even if some virus spreads. all have chanec to die, but undevelopped countries are gonna get hit way more seriously.

[Kiel]

I dont need to..
read news...
I was boored to look up last pages..
I just gave some facts that will happen cause of humanity not being carefull..
its true

You didnt adress any of my points. How about you do?


i agree on that1, guys read 2 posts and just went off-topic. kiel -first with his 12 year old boy attitude, my god man if u don't have anything smart to say don't ****in spam here. if u got good arguments say, if not don't try to look (or sound) smart/funny...


Who the hell you are to judge me? Do you really think that i would feel offended by some guy who i dont even friggin know? You think that you will impress me because you will use **** word? If you do think that way - then think again (hell i doubt you are capable of thinking in the first place).

You know whats retarded? The fact that i brought good arguments, that i tried to be polite, and prooved that you doomsayers got nothing to support your statements but still you continue. And you must be the 12 years old boy to think that your attempt to be cool at my cost by trying to make me look bad by using a few **** words will be enough.

And you know what? Im not trying to be smart/funny - because I am.

And dont try to be smarter/more funny than me - because youre not.

I could call you a jerk, tell you to **** off and such ****s, but thats the way 12 year kids act (and if you didnt notice - thats the way you acted).

[OMGBergrush]

I just gave some facts that will happen cause of humanity not being carefull..
its true

there is a world of difference between a fact and an opinion.

[fatman69]

Who the hell you are to judge me? Do you really think that i would feel offended by some guy who i dont even friggin know? You think that you will impress me because you will use **** word? If you do think that way - then think again (hell i doubt you are capable of thinking in the first place).
You know whats retarded? The fact that i brought good arguments, that i tried to be polite, and prooved that you doomsayers got nothing to support your statements but still you continue. And you must be the 12 years old boy to think that your attempt to be cool at my cost by trying to make me look bad by using a few **** words will be enough.
.

where are your "good arguments"??? you only repeated things some1 wrote,critcised other posts, commented on other people's stuff, especially keweli's. ok i'm not saying he's right, it's a debate, we don't share the opinion (me and keweli) but dont say anything unless you got smth good to say. if u wanna argue or joke about stuff, u got the jokes section, go there and make jokes. if u don't have anything on-topic to add here then don't. i only responded inpolitely cuz it made me mad how ppl can ruin a good thread in half a day with 20-30 spam-posts

[imaginary]

Relax there are no serious spam posts here its a good thread one of the very few left good in off topic pls keep it goin with the discussion, ur opinions, ur information, and respect each other's opinions - if u wanna prove some wrong do so in a mannered way we're all civilized arent we?
Im happy to have such threads around, dont destroy it ppl and dont drop out of it for no good reasons :)

[obey.my.dreamz]

if some1 explain how can inflation make whole race disappear i shall cut my **** of myself,..
bull****.
imo , humans have reached serious intelligence level in every single branch of social life, science ,biology ,etc etc.. so it's hard to me to predict what could possibly shake the ground so much that experts (in each side) aren't aware of it/couldn't put up with...
only think "we" couldn't inhibit is a natural disaster as (meteor /comet or stuff like that.),.. all other ****s mentioned here are solvable imo.
im sick of thos *****es that can "foresee" the future, saying we all gonna go to hell,.. it's a critical bull****.

peace.

[Bonzy]

if some1 explain how can inflation make whole race disappear i shall cut my **** of myself,..
bull****.
imo , humans have reached serious intelligence level in every single branch of social life, science ,biology ,etc etc.. so it's hard to me to predict what could possibly shake the ground so much that experts (in each side) aren't aware of it/couldn't put up with...
only think "we" couldn't inhibit is a natural disaster as (meteor /comet or stuff like that.),.. all other ****s mentioned here are solvable imo.
im sick of thos *****es that can "foresee" the future, saying we all gonna go to hell,.. it's a critical bull****.

peace.

true...

[XFIRE]

if some1 explain how can inflation make whole race disappear i shall cut my **** of myself,..
bull****.
imo , humans have reached serious intelligence level in every single branch of social life, science ,biology ,etc etc.. so it's hard to me to predict what could possibly shake the ground so much that experts (in each side) aren't aware of it/couldn't put up with...
only think "we" couldn't inhibit is a natural disaster as (meteor /comet or stuff like that.),.. all other ****s mentioned here are solvable imo.
im sick of thos *****es that can "foresee" the future, saying we all gonna go to hell,.. it's a critical bull****.

peace.

That's your opinion, but such ignorants make me sick.

Get out of this thread, unless you got something smart to say.

If you're here only to call stupid those who talk about real things ("****s") that can happen anytime, better don't post.

[`AVAX]

there is a world of difference between a fact and an opinion.

Hahahahahaha, I'm sorry for spam but this one was good :)

ObeyMyDreamz go get some education first then tell us your opinion, that kind of language disgusts me.

[IOwnYouAll]

Relax there are no serious spam posts here its a good thread one of the very few left good in off topic pls keep it goin with the discussion, ur opinions, ur information, and respect each other's opinions - if u wanna prove some wrong do so in a mannered way we're all civilized arent we?
Im happy to have such threads around, dont destroy it ppl and dont drop out of it for no good reasons :)

ye...this thread is one of the very few good threads left in offtopic. Let's not make it closed/deleted

if some1 explain how can inflation make whole race disappear i shall cut my **** of myself,..
bull****.
imo , humans have reached serious intelligence level in every single branch of social life, science ,biology ,etc etc.. so it's hard to me to predict what could possibly shake the ground so much that experts (in each side) aren't aware of it/couldn't put up with...
only think "we" couldn't inhibit is a natural disaster as (meteor /comet or stuff like that.),.. all other ****s mentioned here are solvable imo.
im sick of thos *****es that can "foresee" the future, saying we all gonna go to hell,.. it's a critical bull****.

peace.

well my guess is that...well since romania entered the european union,prices has gone up,by quite a lot. Taxes,meat,heat(heat has gone up by 25% this winther)...the list can continue,and the salaries ...well,mb a bit but not to significant... My guess is that politicians have a huge blame for our country's situation
i think he wanted to say that poverty leads to theft,wich leads to death(mb this is the peril that he was talking about).


That's your opinion, but such ignorants make me sick.

Get out of this thread, unless you got something smart to say.

If you're here only to call stupid those who talk about real things ("****s") that can happen anytime, better don't post.

well yea...agreed...you don't have to ruin the thread by flaming because you're mad about smth..next time count to 100 :laugh:

PS: sory for going offtopic

[NumbAndTimeless]

And did those big brain of ours not think the Earth was flat for 2000 years?

Bullocks. Those days if you didn't know were called the Dark Ages, where Christianity was at its top, and churches ruled countries. Anyone who went against a theory of the church got slaughtered without mercy. So you should blame that on Christianity and Churches, because people had many ideas back then, but the greed and power of some ludicrous megalomaniacs ruined it quite badly.

if some1 explain how can inflation make whole race disappear i shall cut my **** of myself,..
bull****.
imo , humans have reached serious intelligence level in every single branch of social life, science ,biology ,etc etc.. so it's hard to me to predict what could possibly shake the ground so much that experts (in each side) aren't aware of it/couldn't put up with...
only think "we" couldn't inhibit is a natural disaster as (meteor /comet or stuff like that.),.. all other ****s mentioned here are solvable imo.
im sick of thos *****es that can "foresee" the future, saying we all gonna go to hell,.. it's a critical bull****.

peace.

Absolutely right, i agree with every aspect of your post. Its quite disturbing to see people not have any kind of trust in nowadays scientists. If a Meteor was going to hit us in 600 years, we would know it, and most likely be ready for it. If Natural phenomenon’s cause disasters things to happen such as floods, hurricanes, earthquakes etc. Which by nature we are likely to survive them.

Ultimately, anyone which claims we are at peril of extinction, is just another idiotic brainwashed person who thinks has the right answer the some very important questions, for the love of flying spaghetti monster show me facts that indicate we are at serious peril of extinction, show me different sources which claim the same thing or very similar, show me scientists which claim these things, show me different calculations which prove you hypothesis, i got much more that I want you to give me to prove your view, but I’ll just leave you with the things above for starters.

[Kiel]

Bullocks. Those days if you didn't know were called the Dark Ages, where Christianity was at its top, and churches ruled countries. Anyone who went against a theory of the church got slaughtered without mercy. So you should blame that on Christianity and Churches, because people had many ideas back then, but the greed and power of some ludicrous megalomaniacs ruined it quite badly.



Absolutely right, i agree with every aspect of your post. Its quite disturbing to see people not have any kind of trust in nowadays scientists. If a Meteor was going to hit us in 600 years, we would know it, and most likely be ready for it. If Natural phenomenon’s cause disasters things to happen such as floods, hurricanes, earthquakes etc. Which by nature we are likely to survive them.

Ultimately, anyone which claims we are at peril of extinction, is just another idiotic brainwashed person who thinks has the right answer the some very important questions, for the love of flying spaghetti monster show me facts that indicate we are at serious peril of extinction, show me different sources which claim the same thing or very similar, show me scientists which claim these things, show me different calculations which prove you hypothesis, i got much more that I want you to give me to prove your view, but I’ll just leave you with the things above for starters.

I was supposed to bring up arguments and repeat the arguments i posted before - but NumbAndTimeless and Obey.my.dreamz relieved me.

One point - Xfire - you seem to be abusing ignorant word ...

Ignorance or nescience is a lack of knowledge. Ignorance is sometimes misinterpreted as a synonym of stupidity, and is as thus often taken as an insult.

The fact that we dont agree with your false theories doesnt make us ignorant. Its you who lack knowledge and you cant get our serious arguments into your brain - and thats the reason why you are the one being ignorant.

[XFIRE]

The fact that we dont agree with your false theories doesnt make us ignorant. Its you who lack knowledge and you cant get our serious arguments into your brain - and thats the reason why you are the one being ignorant.

Am I the only one here, who didn't see any argument from your side?

Should I re-read all your posts, to search for a 'serious' argument of yours?

Because, if I would see even one, I would treat it seriously and might consider it as a fact, not as a joke, but only after you sustain it.

I'm waiting for your 'serious' arguments.. and I am sure others do same..

[obey.my.dreamz]

1.u ppl should reconsider reading my post several times, as for xfire , mb 100 times , tHEN FLAME ME <coz some wise man once said, . flamers shall be banned in this thread,..
( still hadnt get an answer about inflation?)
-if u tell me im wrong,. prove it and if i change my opinion , u'll have my great respect.

2.telling me to talk about important things? thats exactly what i am doing,..
like keweli did when he opened this 1,. talking about resources limitation,population growth etc....and things like that...and after a 7 pages a smart guy comes talking about inflation ?!?! and i am suppose to thing twice,.. my friend last time i checked inflation hadn't take a life,,only thing that could inflation do is a serious poverty problems,,which could cause some deaths,.. but i think more ppl get killed in car accident than by inflation,. therefore INFLATION is important only to country development ,.i doesn't imperil human race for god's sake,..

3. That's your opinion, but such ignorants make me sick.
exactly that's why i've put "IMO" *which means in my opinion* if u aren't aware of that,. so u dont actually have to mention that.

4. get out of this thread
what's ur basis of telling me im not welcome here in this thread? , in fact i think u not being admin ,.. i would have smaller reasons to get out of this 1. coz only thing i offended was "old oracles " and u did ,me.

5. who did i flame ? i want answer ,and i want smart ones..( not 50 vs me talking nonsense u flame njanja..)


respect to ppl that agree with me,..

And i apologize only to keweli for nontopic post,.. for this thread really value.

[IOwnYouAll]

OMG this thread needs to be restarted somehow... if someone can do it

(XFIRE the man of the hour xD)

delete nonsense posts and shorten the thread plz :)

[XFIRE]

4.
what's ur basis of telling me im not welcome here in this thread? , in fact i think u not being admin ,.. i would have smaller reasons to get out of this 1. coz only thing i offended was "old oracles " and u did ,me.

5. who did i flame ? i want answer ,and i want smart ones..( not 50 vs me talking nonsense u flame njanja..)

Tell me, did me or any other user called you :

im sick of thos *****es that can "foresee" the future, saying we all gonna go to hell,.. it's a critical bull****.

'*****' ?

For stating your opinion?

That's why you should reconsider your attitude and sentences..

The fact that you don't agree with some things, doesn't mean, that you have to insult the opposite 'faction'..

I'm cutting this off-topic, and I will stick only to the thread itself.

Got me

[NumbAndTimeless]

'*****' ?

For stating your opinion?

That's why you should reconsider your attitude and sentences..

The fact that you don't agree with some things, doesn't mean, that you have to insult the opposite 'faction'..

Got me

Well, you got the premise wrong.
If a person’s opinion is so ridicules, I wouldn't hesitate to tell him/her it is a ridicules piece of opinion. That might of course be offensive to that person, but that is a freedom of mine, and if I wish to use it, I will be able to.

Now if you say that our Species will be extinct in 100-200 years, I will be expecting tons of details on why, huge amount of facts on atmosphere, rate of supply being wasted, sociological research on different areas from different sociologists, scientific facts from particular areas of science, and if possible graphs which indicate a problem, I think that should be enough to keep you busy enough, if you have shown me these facts, then I shall praise your opinion as fact :).

[plzbanme]

well enough with this nonsense posts, let's go back to the point 1st i must say i didn't read all posts (perhaps i'm restarting some1 else work) and i've made an idea so here it goes all i've seen here it's relating to oil (in the first 3 pages) ok i agree with you the global oil resources are kinda low/limitated but i'm asking you, knowing that we live in the 21st century (modern age) should be the global oil the only concern for us? what about the biological viruses, the industrial robots (i'm not talking about movie robots :D ) even the clone development what about them? how many of you live in a city where you can find 2-3 huge indusrty (like mine) when nowadays robots exchange humans work i'm not saying this is bad but.....in time with those revolutionary developments humans will be trained only to fix robots, not making something of wich he can be proud.
About the biological viruses (not my best knowledge about this) this should be a highly concern for all us, just think for every test in developing a new and powerful virus there are casualty and thrust me there will be always some1 who will throw enormous sum of $ for this research.
So in the end if some1 will ask me if humans are in peril my answer will always be the same YES!

[XFIRE]

Ok, a nice built article about global warning : http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?print=yes&id=24090

[Kiel]

Am I the only one here, who didn't see any argument from your side?

Should I re-read all your posts, to search for a 'serious' argument of yours?

Because, if I would see even one, I would treat it seriously and might consider it as a fact, not as a joke, but only after you sustain it.

I'm waiting for your 'serious' arguments.. and I am sure others do same..


Actually there are cars running on water wich then is sent back to atmosphere and the water is infinite source of energy. There will never be more or less water than already in earth. Its just changing its state. And actually there was even a scientist who produced a car running on water instead of gas or oil. It wasnt as fast as others (like mere 40km/h) but that was because he was the only person working on his project. Soon he disappeared. All those things happen because huge oil companies dont want themselves ruined so they do all in their power to stop other sources of power. Also it would be wise to read Extasy and Fatman's posts because they bring some really good points too.

In other words, there is no need to panic because people expected runing of earth when they were in stone age, medieval times, and they do the same now. It wont happen as fast, but its good to hear that people are actually concerned about future of our planet.

But also you are right about increasing population. Wars before and diseased effectivley reduced amount of humans. Now Wars are in small scale without killing millions of people, and diseases are at bay. So we are growing in numbers quite fast. Anyway somehow number of people WILL be reduced. Its obvious. The non-obvious thing is when, and what will be the reason of it.



Keweli i see you are really up to your point. Its not false, but its somewhere off the truth road. Have you heard something like "Requirement is the mother of invention"? This is the statement wich will really determine future of our planet.

First starting at generators. They need fuel but this fuel can be anything - starting from water, going through wind and ending at solar power. They are infinite, but they are harder to build because things like coal are actually cheaper than other ways of energy producing. And scientists are working on other generators wich will produce energy from water, not from water in rivers but from water itself.

About H2O cars. They are inefficient because they are new, and because oil companies dont want them to be efficient. Lets look at their point of view "Im making millions of cash everyday, why should i turn it down because some freak can make car wich will run on H2O fuel and will ruin my business?". Thats the reason why they are ineffective, and another reason is lack of manpower. People are discouraged by oil companies and they dont try to make better cars wich would run on water fuel. And back some time ago there were cars wich were running at 20km/h speed. Now after few years they are going like 300km/h? I expect the same to happen when more people will start working on water as fuel.

Keweli i dont want to insult you but you should start looking around. People who said that nuclear power is the futer are not wrong. If you really say that nuclear fusion can not be controlled in large quantities then i would like to hear some reasons why it wont? Because what is lacking in your posts is lack of reasons why should earth end in 10 years or why nuclear fusion isnt future. Im not a fluent english speaker and because of that i cant bring my most valid point wich are works on reactor called in polish "Termojądrowy". It would work in the same way as Hydrogen bombs, and the way sun produces its energy - in a controlled way hydrogen would synthesis with helium and as a product of this reaction would be O2 and helium + vast amounts of energy.


What im saying is that we shouldnt panic. People were panicing since ever, and there isnt reason to. In 10 years im planning to have 2 children and a beautifull wife without my head aching about some oil crisis and what will happen in next 10 years. If im going to die it will be because i will be too old, not because humanity is in peril



Oh i remember one more point to bring so everyone panic about oil running out will just stop.


Some time ago when (im not really sure if its right translation) Engine trains were used to transport people, Ecologists were whining that in such situation forests will be gone in like 15 years. And look now - we still have so many forests. And now people are whining about oil. Next people will whine about what? Stop doomsaying because its not going to happen in next 10, 100 or who knows maybe 1000 years. And oil wont be really a problem when it will run out, because theres more than enough alternative ways to use as fuel.



People seem to live in Africa without electricity and oil and somehow they live.

I suggest all doomsayers to stop playing W3 because it gives you guys too much time to think and you are starting to come with such ridiculous theories like no cars in 10 years. Even tho many of us showed reasonable facts wich proove youre statements to be false.

I bet all my money that i will die and there will still be huge oil reserves + im not going to die till like 60+


I didnt bother to repeat things that other people with wich i agree posted before.

And those are my arguments.

But you Mr. Xfire and you Fatman are lacking one point. Humanity is not dying, neither does earth. And im not the person who should bring arguments to proove that it will live for next decades. You guys are the people who should proove that by some reasonable thing earth or humanity will go extinct.

Look at this way -

In medieval times everyone believed that earth is flat. And there came Nicolaus Copernicus who said its not. And who had to proove point - the person who impaired 'current' viewpoint. You are impairing that earth will survive so you have to provide some arguments wich will proove that you are right not vice versa.

And article about global warming isnt convincing. People are crying about this since like 40 or more years and we are still here.

[The.Traveller]

well enough with this nonsense posts, let's go back to the point 1st i must say i didn't read all posts (perhaps i'm restarting some1 else work) and i've made an idea so here it goes all i've seen here it's relating to oil (in the first 3 pages) ok i agree with you the global oil resources are kinda low/limitated but i'm asking you, knowing that we live in the 21st century (modern age) should be the global oil the only concern for us? what about the biological viruses, the industrial robots (i'm not talking about movie robots :D ) even the clone development what about them? how many of you live in a city where you can find 2-3 huge indusrty (like mine) when nowadays robots exchange humans work i'm not saying this is bad but.....in time with those revolutionary developments humans will be trained only to fix robots, not making something of wich he can be proud.
About the biological viruses (not my best knowledge about this) this should be a highly concern for all us, just think for every test in developing a new and powerful virus there are casualty and thrust me there will be always some1 who will throw enormous sum of $ for this research.
So in the end if some1 will ask me if humans are in peril my answer will always be the same YES!

Which bring us back to the conclusion that we are the only danger for our own race and that we are the only ones who can interfere in order to change something.
The calamities and the global warming take place because of our abusing of natural resources and our wolf-like hunger for more money and power.I won't linger upon the 20th century,the most paradoxal one in all history.
America,for ex,is responsible for at least 22% of the total polution.ONLY USA-22%! But i hardly believe it will give up its throne for the sake of future generations' safety....
There are many countries who suffer from teh global warming.Many deaths,many floods,thousands of km of wood being destraught,people losing home and all they gather for a whole life.And what? go go take a lil sum of money and stop moaning,go and build a pitiful house..
As about woods,one of the most important resources for humans,it would take plenty of years to have them back.But imagine if every single citizen of Earth would plant just a tree...!!!
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