Suggestions considering ss

[Rake]

Okay...almost 1 month passed since 'ss' remaking.As I noticed, most players are satisfated about this place( correct me, if I'm wrong).However, I don't have to be genius, to realize, that diffrent players have diffrent needs.So here's the place to express it...write here, everything, you want ( of course, as long as, it's connected with 'ss' channel )...every suggestion, idea...about rules/moderators/requiments...things, you think, should be changed or improved.

We're opened for every tip/advice.'SS' isn't mine channel...it's yours.It wasn't made for me ( since I play from to time to time only ), but for you, players.I just managed to recreate it ( with help of several people -> big thanks to them ).So, if you want this place to be better, take part in it.

[Sns]

i want listchecker working on xpam, then all host should create game with it !


DELAY SUX ! remove it and #ss will be a better place to play :P

[REplayER]

Ok i will share some advices with you since i am good m8 :)

1. Teamplay when team asks from u, no solo farming and shoping when team push/def.

2. Don't frag steal and dont save nukes for kills...it's so lame..carry heroes should take frags.

3. Each ss game should have chicken for each side and shared to all players w/o risk of killing it.

4. Last hit/deny is needed for each game not just for entry replay.

5. Team shouldn't have 5 agi or 5 str or 5 int ( lol i saw one ss game all int in one team xD ).Each game should have atleast one of each primary attribute heroes.

6. Properly placed obs would be nice.

7. Rmk shouldn't be after 10 minuts passed.So if an1 have lagg/delay should ask for rmk asap.

8. No flames and no *****in about lagg after 10 mins passed.

9. Ventrilo or team speak is kinda needed for good games.Guard can also host private teamspeak or vent server. (This is not hard to set i can help if u need help with that ^^ )

10. Palec sux :P

[-eXtasY-]

i want listchecker working on xpam, then all host should create game with it !


DELAY SUX ! remove it and #ss will be a better place to play :P

I totaly agree, this one is the most important i think , maybe some old players from ggc would come in ss to play too.. I was speaking with moon a little, and he told me that he'll do it with next version of warcraft (should come soon).... It hard work i know, very hard to make installer, but that program would make server popular again... Im sick of xpam sux, ggc rules etc.

[SetoKaiba]

5. Team shouldn't have 5 agi or 5 str or 5 int ( lol i saw one ss game all int in one team xD ).Each game should have atleast one of each primary attribute heroes.whats wrong with 5 ints ? it kicks ass so i wouldnt agree with this.

10. Palec sux :P yap.

most important thing is listcheker. I allways have 2 seks delay no matter of host which rarely happens on ggc.

and somehow its only me in team that bought chiken/wards as none else seems to give a **** about that aspect of game.

[[LOA]Kyree]

Me kinda nabish in programming,programs,guard,etc...so what is "listcheker"?is a program like on ggc wich shows what games are created?
Sry for me nab in this subject...but "curiosity didnt killed the cat"...as i remember :P

[-eXtasY-]

Kyree;609752']Me kinda nabish in programming,programs,guard,etc...so what is "listcheker"?is a program like on ggc wich shows what games are created?
Sry for me nab in this subject...but "curiosity didnt killed the cat"...as i remember :P

List checker makes virtuel lan , so no delay... like on ggc

[Artificial]

listchecker is a must...

even when i play with hosts from my country i have 1/1.5 delay on xpam...

[sunnis]

Ok i will share some advices with you since i am good m8 :)

1. Teamplay when team asks from u, no solo farming and shoping when team push/def.

2. Don't frag steal and dont save nukes for kills...it's so lame..carry heroes should take frags.

3. Each ss game should have chicken for each side and shared to all players w/o risk of killing it.

4. Last hit/deny is needed for each game not just for entry replay.

5. Team shouldn't have 5 agi or 5 str or 5 int ( lol i saw one ss game all int in one team xD ).Each game should have atleast one of each primary attribute heroes.

6. Properly placed obs would be nice.

7. Rmk shouldn't be after 10 minuts passed.So if an1 have lagg/delay should ask for rmk asap.

8. No flames and no *****in about lagg after 10 mins passed.

9. Ventrilo or team speak is kinda needed for good games.Guard can also host private teamspeak or vent server. (This is not hard to set i can help if u need help with that ^^ )

10. Palec sux :P

1. it is like that already
2. KS-ing is forbidden
3. well, if someone buys chicken, and someone usually does, you can ask for share and I am sure he will give you
4. agree there, but I didn't see anyone auto attacking in ss games I played (at least not on my lane)
5. well if it is -rd, people usually agree, if it is -ar there is no much to speak about there, if it is -ap there should be agreement too.
6. wards are good but we won't oblige or forbid anyone to buy them.
7. I hope lag will be fixed with listchecker.
8. -||-
9. I can't and I won't host team speak server (if you meant on me when you mentioned guard)
10. Palec IMBA!

[Dinamit]

i have one sugestion how about to members of ss channel join in ss channnel and not to other channels cose if continious like this ss will be empty all a time, i see some players come and go when thay see 4-5 plyers in channel and usealy 2 at list 2 are afk:D , and on server are at list 20 players who are in other channels or playing publick games, cose when thay where in ss channel, thay saw 4-5 players and thay left of corse.

my sugestion is to make some kind of happy hour when there is better chans to see more players on ss channel.
for exemple happy hour is every day on 23:00 and when someone wont some good game he dont have to join ss channelon every 15 min to see is there is 10 players who maight play some good game. he will w8 23:00 and he will be in channel in that time cose there is better chans to fined more players who wonts to play good privet game like him. that happy hour can be for exemple not just in 23:00 he can be like 21:00 ,23:00, 01:00 or on every hour. of corse some games in morining for people who cant play late dota

1-rep for bad english:D

PontiePilat

[devicem]

Sup,

Although many of you know some of us ss members left to ggc due to search for a better gaming experience as well as a more competitive dota challenging, I must say that the standards and atmosphere you offer are not so good imo and that disables us from even considering the possibility of returning.

This is how things stand:

1. bnet is bnet no argues on that point, the delay kills, every professional gamer needs perfect conditions to play thus farms 50% more when there's no delay ( that is he last hits and denies 50% more of the time, and actually he who needs to carry the game actually plays the role, rather than 40-50 min farming...even more )

2. The skill level that I've seen ( this can't conclude a 100% bulletproof opinion about it ) is just silly. You as moderators and administrators of the channel perfectly made the rules which you don't follow and therefore raise confusion among people who observe from distance ( there are a lot of people here who only comes here to see what has changed and what hasn't, and believe me, you don't impress much by just you know...i would restrain myself from using words here ). Here's a statement from the rules :

#ss channel requiments


One of ideas of safelisted channel was to provide decent gaming level for all safelisted players. That means, there are some skill requiments that safelisted players will have to meet. I divided them into 4 categories :

1) Last hit/deny

2) Efficient skill/items build

3) Teamplay

4) Overall gameplay

I would like to get into it as much as possible so that you may understand what I mean when I just "swore" at my previous sentence.

a) Last hit/deny shares its connection to Efficient skill/items build and Overall gameplay. How ? You can't ask someone to do decent last hits/denies when in fact as someone mentioned in some vouch request that even though he knows how to do it, he generally has no idea how to play the game i.e. avoid gangs, gang, push, react in a delicate situation, team fights. This l.h/d is pointless when you don't have this.

b) Furthermore you can't have someone do the above mentioned properly when clearly his items build consists of boots of speed an oblivion staff and bottle/flask of regeneration or I don't know what it is to do sth an he's going for Gynsoo ... ??? Ursa with lothar ? How can this be good either ? Especially when in todays dota the cost of dispersing invisibility is too low...200 gold or just one supporter with necro. I'm not here to discuss items build as it would seem in the first place, but you can't expect him to do sth in the game ( even if he doesn't feed ) to win the game. Although I still don't get it, how can a standard requirement of rule no2 be so easily disregarded or I don't know, perhaps those watching let these things happen.

No arguments there, but it seems to me that your hard work to get back ss to former glory needs a lot more attendance, along with some other improvements which I don't care about so much as they can be fixed in due time as long as the "core" fixes are done. Anyway it's just a suggestion so the basic rule still stands "take it or leave it".

[Ludwiczek]

when xpam off i play on ggc
and 1 thing...

xpam > ggc

who said no noobs leaves on ggc? its funny
when i played on ggc = 1st blood quiter,
bad hero in ar = quiter.. kill = quiter

and low manner too and
so little ammount of games...

and love one quote:
"you noob you 1-6 lvl on ggc!" :D

when i start ggc on 1-2 lvl easy own 10-25 lvler... ;p

ps. xpam forever!

[-eXtasY-]

Well devi, i cant say that you are wrong, but lets face the truth. Now, xpam doesnt have enough professional players as it had before, so making elite channel would be very stuped. We would just make dead channel with <30 safelisted users. So our idea was to create channel for players with medium skill, who know how to creep, what to make ,and how to play in team. No quters, no feeders, players who are willing to learn and improve,We do care about builds, i aoutodenied every1 who bought boots as first item, made stuped items, unuseful for that game etc..That's the most what we can get now from xpam. Like that we can make better channel in the future , because those players will improve and learn from better. We all know that xpam is not place for proffesional dota games, maybe it was, but now surely not...
And yes you are right about delay, its very hard to play , mostly for good players. So i really hope that list checker will become reality as soon as possible
Ofcourse if you have any complaint write directly what we should do, and where did u see that we, mods, do not fallow rules in judgement

[Dinamit]

aleluja i agry with diablo.
i am medium player closer to noob:D
but i think furst thing is to get players [no noob leavers] to make channel alive, then start improving him.
you cant do a **** with 3 players in channel
evry start is hard so be paciant

[[DjoxY]]

Maybe it would be good to play 1-1 games for approving,cause in test games mb you will have some noob in team,and team without real teamplay,in 1-1 games you must show everything:lasthit,deny,skill build,item build etc.etc.
@lolo122 i see that you have watched dota leavers movie...:)

[devicem]

I can buy boots as first item ( I never did, do or will ), but I might buy them in order to show that I can manage well to carry a game even if I did, so you kinda missed my point. I was actually referring to the overall item build, but than again you're right about that other thing which leaves no solution at this point.

One more thing, the learning process for an average player to learn to play is slow, 1y if he's lucky or smart ( or both ), but the thing is who would have the patience to wait for those when some other just wants different. That is why most of the closed channels are made with a high skill level ( or at least close to high ) so that there won't be any gap between this and that.

Still, this higher goal is surely meant for future times as clearly you won't be here to see da day when that level is reached.

[Dinamit]

this is not sugestion i just want to say that i played few very good games on ss and i stoped playing publick games maby one publick game per day or less when i cant fined players for privet, so i think he become what he supose to be, channel without leavers and big noobs ,sure there are sometimes players with bad game i had them to ,but now i play 1h-2h one game without leavers [before little harder game, and at list one player would leave]

and now sugestion:all who knows better players call them to ss channel, i started to call imba friends from dota-league, they are much better then me, and thats only way to make this channel better and to make higher skill lvl

sugestions like: ss will never be like before, no chans, no way, are stupid come here and play, call imba friends and have good games and make this channel better

[-eXtasY-]

this is not sugestion i just want to say that i played few very good games on ss and i stoped playing publick games maby one publick game per day or less when i cant fined players for privet, so i think he become what he supose to be, channel without leavers and big noobs ,sure there are sometimes players with bad game i had them to ,but now i play 1h-2h one game without leavers [before little harder game, and at list one player would leave]

and now sugestion:all who knows better players call them to ss channel, i started to call imba friends from dota-league, they are much better then me, and thats only way to make this channel better and to make higher skill lvl

sugestions like: ss will never be like before, no chans, no way, are stupid come here and play, call imba friends and have good games and make this channel better

im glad because you like this channel, and ofcourse that your friends will be welcome here. SS is place for good games, and we'll do everithing to make it iven better

[War_Zone]

Well.. disablers or 2 stuners going for fb its good to one of them have buts:P

And...U talk about team speak in ss but no1 duing anything..Il try to make step forw..Download ventrilo 2.1.4 .Server:212.18.46.133

[Gelu]

i have oner remark : there are to many players akding childish , opening ban request treads without any solid proof ! i suggest for you ss staff to give them -rep points i think 3 is enough , some discipline is needed , i feel like this channel is getting over protected .
PS Diablo improve your english " we'll do everithing to make it iven better "
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[Ludwiczek]

and 1 suggestion pls dont be masochist and dont
pun banrequest for yourself...

i second time see post banreuest "pls ban me"

if you sux too much other players shuld make that
ban - rep point request not yourself

[janjetina]

is there a page limits for treads or what???
i wanted to anwer that "PRO" dota player h3ndrix but tread was closed. if moderators dont like treads dont read it!! go read something else,dont close tread! or is there better reason to close tread??
so q:
1.why do moderators play gods and close treads when ever they want?

and suggestion:
1.if treads can be longer then 2 pages,moderators shouldt close them.

[-eXtasY-]

is there a page limits for treads or what???
i wanted to anwer that "PRO" dota player h3ndrix but tread was closed. if moderators dont like treads dont read it!! go read something else,dont close tread! or is there better reason to close tread??
so q:
1.why do moderators play gods and close treads when ever they want?

and suggestion:
1.if treads can be longer then 2 pages,moderators shouldt close them.

well we have options like that , because we'll know when is the time to close thread to evade spam, argue etc. We dont play gods, we are just here to keep order. Whats the point of your suggestion? So this thread has 2 pages and should be closed? Number of pages is not important at all, because we are here to close any thread on time...

[Ludwiczek]

janjina chill out noob! ;) you want write with hendrix 100 pages as:
you nooob, not me ! you! and you did it. no you did ;D, dont provokate
him and avoid no needexd discusion ;p

[janjetina]

lolo you are wrong!!:noob: i only wanted to answer him but tread was close! he called me noob but i think he is hmmm.i dont want to be rude,nvm, because he say im noob that cant farm money in dota and save money for wrong item! rofl! so he is gfgfgrerw that play dota 1 month or something like that! h3ndrix:game was over before even its start! so go call noob somebody else! or maybe you try play vs what i had to play and then say something smart! for now i think h3ndrix is stupid kid that have nothing smart to say so he write :noob,noob,noob! great job dude!!
an anwer for diablo:
i just ask why moderators close treads after 2 pages! i think that is stupid!
why?? because i wanted to say somehing smart to child h3ndrix but tread was closed so i have to open new one!

and lolo you are at work so pls go do something noob!!:tiphat:

sry for bad english

p.s. i think my signature should be:sry for bad english

good?

[Ludwiczek]

janje

"lolo you are at work so pls go do something noob!!"

:D you know me so you should know that i so pro man
so i can make work- engeenering projects and write on
this forum in same time ;P, but if you call my chief that
i no work, just writing on forum i kill you noob! :gun:

;)


" because i wanted to say somehing smart to child h3ndrix "

you can sent him private msg, we no want see your private
noobis war!

and trust me, mods need closed topics and make order in forum
its hard work,

mayby make 1 sticikes uncensored/not moderated thread for
all noobs which wants fights and talks about bull****??
will be less spam in other sections ;p

[LoGiStiK]

Yeah......suggsetion....reopen the test games thread >.<

[FLaMeSeeKeR]

Everyone game from SS channel = DELAY ppl do something with this ... Its getting pathetic!

[Ludwiczek]

my sugestion...

CLOSE ALL SYSTEM & NET ACTIVITY!!!

often when i play, noobs spam me with:

now playing: i'm a little idiot.mp3
sorry alt+tab cose msg comming
sorry but need dll someting
sorry afk talking on comunicator with freinds....
and 100 more programs and other ****

winamp+firewall+antivisurs+comubniator+www+@+anisp ys
+others **** = DELAY

WTF?

cant close all when playin ss dota??

i always close no needed ****, if any have lag
on my host, its no my foult :P

and pls dont said me dealy and lag when
ping: 67ms and latency: 50ms ^^ its kinda lol......

and pls report me who delay lag on my host..

here are ss hosts
http://eurobattle.net/showthread.php?t=55636


if any delany in any game, try check and analyze it

[[DsR]Blade]

and 1 suggestion pls dont be masochist and dont
pun banrequest for yourself...

i second time see post banreuest "pls ban me"

if you sux too much other players shuld make that
ban - rep point request not yourself

Want to know why I did it? Because I felt pretty ****ty bc everyone was calling me a noob, and the main reason is on my sig, so it doesn't really matter to me if I get banned for 3-4 weeks. I just wanted to make some fun...

[Nennad]

i think that if its -ap / -rd and if 3 players picks agility hero,and then next 2 pick agility 2,those 2 who picked last should be punished.Because its kinda game ruining,we all say we need tank and they take bounty and riki!
i played such games,and trust me you can win only if you have much more skill then opponent,if not(as usually on ss,all similiar skill)u lose 100%

[OMGBergrush]

since i most often take orange in sentinel and dark green in scourge i say this is stupid. not only will people always want to pick blue or pink color they will also pick whatever heroes they want and then last 2 guys will be to blame for their pick!?
i think -rd sux:
1. i wait a zomfg amount of time to pick my hero
2. i wait a zomfg amount of time for creeps to start

[Nennad]

berg...you are totally missing my point..

[DotA-ap5v5blon]

play -ar/-arsp and there wont be any problems :)
and that is the best mode btw

[Nennad]

-ar is suckiest mode ever.

[[_--T]Maska]

Lucky ar is wrong mode for priv games.
end of story

[[NDL]eXeCuToR]

rd sucks...5 min until creeps goes out omg...
in ar maybe just heroes not players decide some games but its better then know to play with only 5 heroes...and always pick them on ap...

[janjetina]

-rd is more unbalanced modd than -ar or -ap!!! why??
because in -rd last plp who pick are ****ed!! why??
in -rd plp ALWAYS and i mean A L W A Y S pick the most brutal aoe spell dmg heroes like lich, nevermore,lina, leshrac,beastmaster is must have in all games,and so on!! and plp who pick last just dont have anything smart to pick because there left heroes like ezalor,brisleback,faceless void,mortred and other(1v1 strong hereoes but vs mass dmg spells?? rofl)! so what do i do with ezalor or something like that vs 12567 aoe dmg spells??? 6 hoods??? yeah rd is so great!!!
in -ap you can pick whatever you want to counter enemy!
in -ar teams are 50-50! sometimes you get one team better heroes and sometimes you dont!!
but its funny!!!!! not like boring ,always the same heroes, -rd !!! if i get in -rd game i dont even pick hero!! **** that stupid modd
-rd looks like we play for money or something like that!! BORING
and if you think that plp dont pick same heroes all the time,save some replays and watch! 90% kills made in -rd games are made by spells ! BORING

but that is all what i think about -rd,who want to play retarded modd,go and play! i will never pick in -rd! its funny when you get 400 hp hero with no spells!! attack till death.
so baning plp for bad hero pick in -rd???? ROFL
ban me first than :tiphat:

sry for bad english

[Artanthos]

-rd is more unbalanced modd than -ar or -ap!!! why??
because in -rd last plp who pick are ****ed!! why??
in -rd plp ALWAYS and i mean A L W A Y S pick the most brutal aoe spell dmg heroes like lich, nevermore,lina, leshrac,beastmaster

Bull****. First of all ar is most imbalanced mode because it's RANDOM. Simple. And when you pick last in rd its not so bad, because you know, what heroes have enemy, and you can take some counter hero. In 90% of games you are able to take good counter on last pick.

plp who pick last just dont have anything smart to pick because there left heroes like ezalor,brisleback,faceless void,mortred and other(1v1 strong hereoes but vs mass dmg spells?? rofl)

Now I can say rofl. Bristle is the most imbalanced hero in DotA, and he is great counter against mass nuke. Just buy him hood, turn back and enjoy. -.-


and if you think that plp dont pick same heroes all the time,save some replays and watch! 90% kills made in -rd games are made by spells ! BORING

You can't take SAME heroes in rd, because there are 2 taverns instead of 6 (+2 almost empty). And you can take same heroes again and again only in ap mode. Anyway what's the matter? Rd means always mega combo and mass spells, and ap no? Bull**** again.

[janjetina]

lol!! nice post! you played 2 -rd games or less??? play dota how long?? you think -rd isnt boring?? ok!! nice thinking! lol
and i mean plp pick same heroes in every new game,not in one game!and in -ap you can pick somthing good! in -rd you can pick **** hero whats left from others!
i played -rd many times and in 90% i could pick only **** low hp no spell heroes!! maybe i have no luck with -rd! could be..

[[uGt]sLavcee]

cant wait for listchecker.. cuz..there are too much delay for us..players from Macedonia.. 1.5-2secs.. at least.. fix that asap.. you have our supports.. admins.. gl

[OMGBergrush]

while i personally hate -rd because of long wait times for heroes and creeps to spawn i think its more balanced than -ar/-ap. in fact come to think of it i think -rd is the most fair mode in terms of equal opportunities for both sides

[Ludwiczek]

i a bit agree with janje, rd sucks if you pick on the end of queue,
and mayby its bug but i play 10 -rd and 90-99% always can pick:
omni and tree and silnecer, if small amount of team heros in 22, queue are very important

about it that last player can get counter ...
1counter against good teamheros cant do nothin! and
how can i pick counter for enemies from 12-15 heros...?

what you thinkin' about this mods??

Normal Mode --> Team Pick
This mode is selected when no other primary mode is during the first 15 seconds. Players may pick heroes from taverns belonging to their team.

-leaguemode / -lm --> League Mode
All forms of random are disabled. 10 players required. The teams will pick in alternating orders, one team picking one hero, the other team picks two heroes, the first team picks two heroes, the other team picks two heroes, the first team picks their two last heroes, the other team picks their last hero (1-2-2-2-2-1). Each player has 20 seconds to pick a hero, otherwise one is randomed for him/her. The team which has the first pick is random. Can only pick from your side, Sentinel or Scourge, like Normal Mode.

-voterandom / -vr --> Vote Random
Three random matchups will be chosen, and each player gets to cast a vote on which of the three matchups they want, using -option 1/2/3. Needs an even amount of players on each team to be activated.
Read the V. Vote Random commands section for more information.

-extendedleague / -xl --> Extended League
All forms of random are disabled. 10 players required. Both team leaders (blue for Sentinel, pink for Scourge) may remove up to 3 heroes each from all available ones in the first 20 seconds. Players then pick from the remaining heroes like in League Mode.

[Sns]

lol!! nice post! you played 2 -rd games or less??? play dota how long?? you think -rd isnt boring?? ok!! nice thinking! lol
and i mean plp pick same heroes in every new game,not in one game!and in -ap you can pick somthing good! in -rd you can pick **** hero whats left from others!

i'm sorry but i've to say you are realy stupid after all your posts :/

btw, -ar sux, it's good when you start dota, to discover every hero, but after some times, you know all heroes, and there are some heroes more usefull in game than other, and you'll probably have some favorite heroes you like to play... i play ap most of time, and sometimes rd... it doesnt mean i dont know how to play every hero... every game in ap or rd rox, cause it's most of time very balanced, cause player take the heroes they are the best with, and it give some rly nice game... exept when some idiot player, looking like you, random a hero they are medium or even bad with... and imbalance the game!

play ap & learn to play against mass nukerz that gang a lot, it's much better than a farming game

[janjetina]

maybe it is! i just NEVER had chance to pick good counter hero vs mass aoe spells!! my bad! btw can anybody tell me what hero is good vs 3000 dmg spells?? im noob and i just dont know that! my finally point is -rd is BORING!
lets say it is balanced! ok! but pls dont say it isnt boring!!

[Artanthos]

what you thinkin' about this mods??

Normal Mode --> Team Pick
This mode is selected when no other primary mode is during the first 15 seconds. Players may pick heroes from taverns belonging to their team.

I played some privs with this mode and imo it sux. Half of players take "cw heroes", and other half "fun hero" like bh, troll.


-leaguemode / -lm --> League Mode
All forms of random are disabled. 10 players required. The teams will pick in alternating orders, one team picking one hero, the other team picks two heroes, the first team picks two heroes, the other team picks two heroes, the first team picks their two last heroes, the other team picks their last hero (1-2-2-2-2-1). Each player has 20 seconds to pick a hero, otherwise one is randomed for him/her. The team which has the first pick is random. Can only pick from your side, Sentinel or Scourge, like Normal Mode.

There is no need to make that mode in privs. Normal mode, and it lasts longer.


-voterandom / -vr --> Vote Random
Three random matchups will be chosen, and each player gets to cast a vote on which of the three matchups they want, using -option 1/2/3. Needs an even amount of players on each team to be activated.
Read the V. Vote Random commands section for more information.

vr a.k.a random ****. No more to add.

-extendedleague / -xl --> Extended League
All forms of random are disabled. 10 players required. Both team leaders (blue for Sentinel, pink for Scourge) may remove up to 3 heroes each from all available ones in the first 20 seconds. Players then pick from the remaining heroes like in League Mode.


Used only in tournaments, total bull**** in normal ss games. Removing? For what if teams don't have strategy or sth?

[Nennad]

my point is that if mode is rd/ap and we already have 3 agil heroes,and last two who picks take same,that should be punished,cuz its game ruining!why last two simply cant take tank/nuker???
and how can u say they take all aoe nukers,like they pick first 5 and u pick rest...
its going 1-2-2-2-2-1 so u can pick aoe too,no1 forbids you..

[Rake]

my point is that if mode is rd/ap and we already have 3 agil heroes,and last two who picks take same,that should be punished,cuz its game ruining!why last two simply cant take tank/nuker???
and how can u say they take all aoe nukers,like they pick first 5 and u pick rest...
its going 1-2-2-2-2-1 so u can pick aoe too,no1 forbids you..

I'm sorry, but why last 2 players should be punished for first 3 players mistake or/adn ignorance ? I mean...3 first players may pick any hero, they wish...they all can pick useless for team, late game agi heros and noone will say anything to them.But when last 2 players do same, they will be punished, right ? Did you think at least 2 sec of that, what you wrote ?

If you want to have good game, with equal heros, then talk with your teammates, before pick.Say something like 'Guys, don't take only late game, agi heros, cause we'll surely lose..pick some str/int too' and best, if you give good example, by taking team, str/int hero.

It's common for players, to take late game, agi heros.Why ? Cause that way, they will have a lot of frags; they will own.Everyeone wants to be considered as pro, and that's easiest way.Everyone wants to be famous, popular, likes to see 10000 'hi', when he enters the channel, 10000 whispers, from unknown guys, calling him to some games, etc.By playing support/tank role heros, people can't count on good score, a lot of frags, etc.It's even harder to farm with most tankers/int heros, than agi ones ( especially mid/late game ).

Most of people judge others by score, they get, not by gamestyle.Play agi heros, get dmg items, own, have good score in most of games ( also, call your teammates noobs, what's also common ) and be pro.Easiest way.Sad, but true.And this is main reason, why players don't like to choose int/str, support heros : harder to play, and noone will consider you, as pro, if you choose such hero.

So, Nennad, if you want to have good games, with diffrent roles heros in, try to talk with your teammates, and convince them to take such heros.And, you should give an example, by taking it first ( or maybe choose last slot in your team, every game you play, and choose support/tank at the end of chosing ).Cause I really doubt, people will suddenly leave their 'best owners', and start choosing team heros...temptation of being famous and liked, of being pro is too big ;)

[[BoS]Mika_]

hmm,it was just an example for 3 agil,and first hero should be late game owner ofc,if there is viper,never,silencer they should be picked first.But thats it,team got carry,then others should take support,i have no problem with supporter/tanker ill pick em,but can guy that took carry hero guaranty that he wont get outfarmed/feed etc??I can for my self,if i play serious game,i will not feed 99%!And yes,what if its not 3 agility,what if we dont have late game owner at all,if we got 2 int 2 str,all early/mid game,and then we need carry,what about then?I know what i mean,but mby i cant express my self good enough. I got this from hamachi dota,its really good rules,take look about skill rules.

#

* A player must be able to properly last-hit and deny creeps to earn money and keep the enemy heroes from gaining experience.
* A player must know at least common builds on all heroes and how to play them in combination with other heroes.
* A player must know which heroes to pick to form a good lineup. In extreme cases, we will ban players for picking poor heroes if it is detrimental to the team as a whole.
* A player must know when to push, gank, farm, etc. Simply staying on a lane when the team is pushing, or farming a neutral spot when you can help a teammate against an enemy hero and similar cases is seen down upon and might give cause for a skill-ban.
* These are just basic rules. Even if you know how to do the above, it doesn�t necessarily make you good enough.

# This does not mean players cannot give or ask for advice, but in general a player should be able to hold his own. Scores are irrelevant, it's how you play that counts.



i didnt see its my bro acca
Nennad
I take look on you post again.Who joined ss to become famous?? lol... and why the **** is easier to play agility then str/int hero?
With agility u must farm really good,and u have low hp,and you are gang target,so why is int harder?cuz he have to gang??he have to use stun?i really dont get that part..and rake you are talking like i take agility only,and i am talking global.There was game we i choose first,and i took int,other two guys didnt even know whats rd,and they got random,and then was 3 int,then we left 2 more to pick,and guess what,they took intelligence hero too,and now some1 will say,use that too gang em early game,fast push and own its easy,but if your team is farming like they dont get that we dont have late game what to do than?report em cuz 4 of them dont wanna push,and they dont have lane control with 2 int against 2 agil?And even if we try to push they only need 2 aoe to clean creeps = no push at all.And there is always pressure that u must push now,or u will lose later.

[Rake]

Mika, let any decent player take potm or void, and you'll understand my point.Same for viper, lancer, , troll, etc...

[Nennad]

did u even read my post???? i wrote that i didnt see its my bro acca,and i wrote Nennad,even if i didnt wrote that,u can see by post thats same person!

[-eXtasY-]

He wants to say that is unfair to consider guilty players who picked last. In the real games carry heroes are picked last (Good aoe dmg/disable should be picked first) , so the responsability is on the first pickers often, not last ones (that is the reason why teamleaders are pink and blue in most of the tours). Also i agree with rake , most of players consider thereselfes good, because of score, and they ask for respect if they make good sprees. But i would say that supporters and tanks are heroes who need better hand, and which usaully make diference. I know that you pick cary heroes in 75% casses, that is ok you are good player, but do not blame your team if they do the same. This is ss, there are many good players, maybe you will be in team with 4 players who are good or better then you. If every of them pick late gamers (because he's sure that he'll do it fine) what will happen (that is what rake told you in the last post)Team is made of 5 players and they share responsability for pick.

[Nennad]

and my point is that if there are 4 lategamers,i will NOT pick lategame hero too.
and if some1 actually pick that hero,he should be punished,because of no wining chance(unless playing against totally low skilled opponents),and then game is ruined,if u think otherwise we can play game,all decent players,and then u say pick that contains of first player pick disabler,and i take carry(viper/sf),and guess what you will get outpicked.There is no way u get all disablers,but my team will get best carry pick,that will win game.and 3/4 supporters

[-eXtasY-]

Most of agi heroes can be carry, but there are only few mass dmgers/disablers.So there is much more chance to get outpicked with them. Lets not argue more, we disagree on this suggestion

[Nennad]

cool

[Rexxar-GOSU]

Most of people judge others by score, they get, not by gamestyle.Play agi heros, get dmg items, own, have good score in most of games ( also, call your teammates noobs, what's also common ) and be pro.Easiest way.Sad, but true.And this is main reason, why players don't like to choose int/str, support heros : harder to play, and noone will consider you, as pro, if you choose such hero.
And that would be one more reason why i dont like playin here... + delay = not the ss i imagined it would be :S

try to talk with your teammates, and convince them to take such heros.
LoL do u rlly think they will listen ?


aff u are arguin for nthg...

[Rake]

Am I arguing ? :) I just gave you answer ( with explaination ), why we should not punish people, who picked last...those, who pick first are same guilty...they could also pick team heros, instead of their fav, agi ones...but it's easier to pick hero, you want to play, and require from others, who pick after you, to get some supporter/tank...

Anyway, I think similar to diablo...we should not punish anyone for wrong pick.At least not yet.Maybe in future, when we decide to make more competetive character of ss ( and we'll get some delay decreasing tool, what will probably happen soon ), then we'll think about it.Okay ?

And that would be one more reason why i dont like playin here... + delay = not the ss i imagined it would be :S


Well..about delay, i agree with you, but about second part...Pub games lvl on ggc is much lower, than in 'ss' + there are quitters, no manners, etc.Discers ? Similar as here...And to play in some high lvl room, you need 100 + ( or even more ) games played to get required lvl...

I'm not going to convince anyone..but, when I can choose priv on 'ss' or pub on ggc, I always choose first option...even with delay, games on 'ss' are much more entertaining and competetive, than 99% of pubs on ggc...And I know, what I'mtalking about, since I tried out ggc lately...

[OMGBergrush]

And that would be one more reason why i dont like playin here... + delay = not the ss i imagined it would be :S

real men dont cry about lag and delay so stop *****ing girlyboy

[Ludwiczek]

Rexxar-GOSU
pls stop crying about eurbattle and tellin' us how ggc is marvelous..
i try ggc too end it suck so much..... so much
full off noobs mass leavers and lagger too
all time all noobs say TUNNEL ME TUNNELL ME~~~~!!

xpam >>>> ,,,,, >>> ggc

[Rexxar-GOSU]

@Rake Well u can always get ihcs even with lvl 1 if u are good player.

@Berg I cant stand mass spikes /lagg / delay

@Ludwiczek Cuz u haven't played on high lvl rooms which is similiar to ss.If u leave game u get ban for 20+ days (depend on game) and next time u leave u get perma ban.I don't have to talk about skill here and there.U can actually play with those ppl u saw on MyM replays(i doubt u can find som1 so skillful here)...so far played with my chief : [TeG]Snake , W@nted ,eQunox ,xP.Skilled , Snow^ and so on... ^^


P.S. When u quote me change Rexxar-GOSU with REplayER :P

[glop2]

ggc is pervert

you need xp to get to high level rooms
so nubs enter any games and stay afk for one hour, only to get xp
and then, after 442578 low level games ruined, they are granted access to high level games, which they can ruin

and you cant even customkick nubs on ggc, afaik...

anyone who makes advertisements on eurobattle for ggc should be ****ed with sand


GGC IS TEH SUXZ!!

[[BoS]Mika_]

i didnt have time to wright anything more,but it was just an example with agility players,it can be picking 5 melee,5 lauzy int,i just want to players use common sense...and when i say some1 to pick str,cuz we need one he says fo who are u to tell me what to pick!And i would like games,where i dont need to say everyone come gang pls,or when i gang and ping them,they just keep on creeping etc.

again wrong acca.
Wroted by Nennad

[[NDL]eXeCuToR]

custom kick is ilegal...agree with nenad...evey game should have at least 1 hero of every type...and at least 2 meele/range...

[Artanthos]

eXeCuToR;627778']custom kick is ilegal...agree with nenad...evey game should have at least 1 hero of every type...and at least 2 meele/range...

I disagree.
It's not about "type" of hero - str agi or int. It's about hero role in game.
In many tours teams pick 5 int, 3 int + 2 agi or so.
Int can be great carry (like obsidian or silencer), good ganger (lina, tinker), or just good support/babysitter (warlock, dazzle)
Agi: carry like void or spectre, gangers like veno etc. Same with str heroes.
Team just need some good carry and support not "at least 1 hero of every type".

[[BoS]Mika_]

Yes tay,exactly what i am trying to say.I just want ppl from ss to use common sense,we can play w/o any rule.If all are reasonable.

[[NDL]eXeCuToR]

y but u cant take sniper trol razor traxex bone...or lina lion zeus tniker pugna...thats what i wanted to say...and u cant have all mele heroes...cose if oponents haras u your cs gonna be realy low...

[teeron]

i have 1 suggestion or mb somenody did taht b4 dunno, just 1 thing.
any progress with LS ??? im rly sick of delay and im not god or star :P but i wont play anymore games here with this delay, and 1 more time its just suggestion ;-)

[-eXtasY-]

I have very bad news for you.... Creator of LC doesn't want to modify if for pvpgn servers, why ? only he knows. Also on next dotarank version there will not be any delay reducing... Everything what we can hope for is that our admins will do something

[teeron]

i know why :D

if u dont what is going on - its about money :)

[[BoS]Mika_]

i HAve 1 sugestion .... to rebuild ss again cuz theres lot of ppls who are nubs and they alowed to play ss games ... theres only about 15 ppls who truly worth to be called pro ppls and others sux, thats why ss games are so unbalanced..exaple tay[razor]good player pwn some nub [sniper ] on midd.... he get overfeeded and theres no use to play game until end! btw thats is only sugestin cuz i totaly desapointed and sick of xpam so i wont play anymore there !!! ^^ PEaCe oUt!!!:blink: :blink: :blink: :tclosed:

[Mr.7error]

Please Mika post a -rep/ban request for me as I am such a noob. How can I (noob) sniper can't hold Tay(pro) razor? He was host and his last hit/denies were just imba, he is known as farmer but when he is host razor how can I ( sniper ) stop him u say ? I will do anytime 1v1 with u me razor u sniper, me host and let's see if u can stop me. Please don't get insolent and start acusing when u loose. Another thing, u think swearing and going afk is ss behaviour ? Pleeease give me a break. So I dare u please post request.

[-eXtasY-]

How you cannot understand, i will say everything once more. SS channel is recreated for making a place for nice priv games without quiters, noobs, flaming etc. Dota level on xpam is very low compared to ggc, north, xpam some time ago... If we would make the same rules , and requirements as they were on last ss we would make dead channel. Why? well simply because we would have maybe 30 safelisted users. Most of good players are just gone. So we made a channel which require medium dota skill. Those players will improve, because feedeng, bad builds, autoattack simply will not be tolerated. Also its normal that we , mods, also can make mistakes in approving, or that player just dont play with his full potencial as he did it in safelist req replay. So its on you, ss players, to report players like that. You are free to post ban request for anyone with proofs. Dont just say huh, there are much noobs, do something about it, report them when u see it... I'll admit really , i dont like ppl like you, you just criticise but you are not ready to do anything for it. I cannot be online 24/7 and play every ss game to find all players who do not deserve to play here. If you like this community ,and care, do something for it dont just talk around this sux, that sux.... And also i would ask you mika to freely go away if you dont like xpam and this place, i just dont need post with your oppinion how all our work sux and we dont deserve players like you.

regards

[_sMYck_]

-extendedleague / -xl --> Extended League
All forms of random are disabled. 10 players required. Both team leaders (blue for Sentinel, pink for Scourge) may remove up to 3 heroes each from all available ones in the first 20 seconds. Players then pick from the remaining heroes like in League Mode.

just becouse of that "all forms of random are disabled" thing... we started once ss game and host typed -xl... some1 was maybe afk or didnt pick in time so he didnt get anything and couldnt pick anything afther 20sec> FUNNY

and i still now that u can type -random in -ap mode and u cant type pick in -ar mode...

[icyfrozenlake]

Still the most important issue to be resolved is delay I think since this server is international. I joined a RO pub game just now with a friend's account and I had like 4 seconds delay throughout the game *OWNED* (I come from SG). And to my knowledge, most ss hosts are from RO too, so I assume that the delay which I will experience in ss games would be the same compared to RO pub games although I never tried any ss games for fear of delay/feeding and getting -rep points, sad eh? So hope the admins can do something about this:)

[ss-Kenyshor]

Yeah, that's pretty bad :(, something is very bad. Last time i played(i'm ro) i played on old_spookyhand server(.ro too, i never had delay on him) and with a ping of 17 ms, i had 3-4 sec delay. A few months ago everything was very ok, on .ro host delay 0, on serbian or cro hosts, delay 0.5-1 sec wich is very playable, but now..i dont know what happen. I started not to join any game, because actually you CANT play with 4 sec delay, no matter how good are you.I even had 1-1.5 sec delay when I WAS HOST(WFT?).

[teeron]

True, on tour game we played , MaryaChi was host and he had same 1,5sec delay which is totally unexpectable. Looks like that serwer going down somehow and to fix that is first and last suggestion i have...

[Ogi.]

Must agree... I would never try to say that we lost of BoS cause of lag , we lost cause they are far batter and they had terrific combo , BUT ,I tested Maryachi `s host ,just 2 hours before our tour game , and it was one of the best host i`ve played on... But later, on tour , 2secs delay + spikes ocassionally ..gg.

[Hovi]

I have suggestion about rule "don't use guard to announce non-ss games".
Since ss became comunity of friends, sometimes playing other maps, I would change it to "don't use guard to announce non-ss DOTA games", so announcing funny minimaps, etc would be possible.

What do you think?

[Artanthos]

This rule was made to stop announcing non ss dota games. So I agree with Hovi.

[-toXic-]

delay SUX

[baltazar_gabka]

Here I would like to post some suggestion which came out in thread http://eurobattle.net/showthread.php?t=61110 . I sheduled this post into points so answering to it will be easier since u can now adress parts of it by its numbers.

The thing is about rep points - expecially for doing something not on purporse (like bad play) and how it should work.

1.
I suggested those 3 things:

-Users should be informed when they get rep points. It should be made in a way that they know its not a joke. It might be done by whispering or by altering ss topic like: [whatever topic u want to have] and then list user:link, user:link. And links will be to rep points threads and will stay on topic for e.g. 3 days after thread was created.

-Threads with reppoints shouldn't be closed in order to let ppl defend themselves and to let also some other ppl take their side if they wish to.

-Extasy u should admit that u made a mistake writing that rep points decision won't be changed for sure, and to agree that if someone's defense is really sound the rep point penalty might be changed."

(for those who didn't read the other thread - the name Extasy because of his quote about rep points threads:
So threads like those can be place only for spam/argue/flaming and nothing more since desition is allready made , and it wont be changed for sure)

2.
In addition to above tree points, there is something much more complicated. I will also use a quote:

Shouldn't rep points be mainly against ppl that deliberately break the rules? Because now lets say someone one day has e.g. an argument with wife, fully nervous he go play dota to react and he sucks. Next day he just go play and has unluckily huge delay to host and he also sucks and then he gets 3 weeks ban. What is it good for? And how will this help anyway? Then he probably won't play dota for 3 weeks at all (since playng pubs is mainly loss of time) and after this 3 weeks will come back as even worse player. I really dont see your point in banning sb just because he didn't managed to be good enough - especially i dont see how it will help anyone. Bad player (or maybe good player with bad day or delay) doesnt do this on purpose so ban wont help here.

I even think that penalties for doing sth unpurporsely should be different. I am not sure what it should be but certainly sth that will help both sides - since now both since only lose. Player since he get's ban, and ss since after ban the one banned comes probably as a worse player than before.

If I were you I might consider sth like this - for every bad game one gets excatly 1 rep point that doesnt stack with other type rep points and is for duration of 1 month. He can get no more than 1 such a rep point per day. If he gets 4 of this rep points he stops to be safelisted and has to make request once more. Now we just know we dont ban users cause the might have just 2 bad games in row cause of lets say exhaustion, delay or stress and if sb is really bad he shouldnt be safelisted - not just banned.

I hope u now see my point - ban for sth not done on purpose just doesn't do it's job.

3.
Janjetina said about another important thing:

dota have million heroes and items combination so there is no way that moderator should tell someone what is good item to build! should we all make items on yours scripts? always same items? example: i like s&y but moderators say its bad item! lol! so if i make s&y for any hero i could get -rep point if team lose? do i get -rep point if my team win? what is different then? i think we should not be judged because items we choose!

Actully in my opinion we might be judged basing on items but only if they are really inadequate to the situation we buy them in. The thing is (which i saw especially when readeing requests for ss threads) that mods quite often consider their own build as the only one right. But there r just humans so it is their right to do so.The problem arises when they have to judge us. So maybe improve the system somehow? There are 3 main ways:

arbitrary - mod just makes the decision and no discussion
democracy(?)- we make some vote among some users
full justice - the one that truly is right wins.

It's obvious that the last one is impossible to carry out. The first one is quick but if mod makes a mistake, and this may happen, there are problems.

I would suggest some solutions like this (which are some misture of above):

-When somebody wants to impose rep points on some other player in game for bad play he has to anounce it during the game. Then he has to pause the game just after the throne/tree is destroyed. Then he says he want rep point for that player (which during the game and also the pause has right to defend himself). If 7 players if game was 5v5 or 6 if it was 4v4 agree on that the thread with those rep point and the replay is made by accusing player (and the rep point is given). It is not closed - the player can still def in it but he has to supply some damn right argument to change the decision that was made - flaming may earn him another rep points(mods decision). If players arguments are good the rep penalty might be changed by mod - but only to be less severe than what was imposed by players. And as was in part 2 i suggest: only one rep point per game, max one rep point per day, those rep points dont stack with other types of rep points and last for one month, if one get 4 of them he is removed from safelist (not banned, removed).

-Other option is that the replay is just shown on forum and people for lets say 3 days may vote whether rep point should be imposed. But ussually players that actully were in game imo are capable of better decision than those that just browsed the replay.

>>> if there is good evidence that somebody ruined game on purpose above rules do not apply and the decision belongs to mods.

In that way we remove this specific decision from mods (so they got less work) and also the problem that some mod might like some builds and dont like others dissapears. So pls consider this, and any improvements are welcome.

4. I believe that if someone deserves rep point he should be given one. Now it works like that (my case) - player deserves rep points in couple of games but he doesnt get any. Then suddenly he got quite a lot of them for a games played similarly to those for which he wasnt penalized. So he goes like sth whats going on? But if he got some rep points b4 he would know whats going one.

5. Hovi said that he could maybe add to guard functionality of managing rep points and informing users when they got new. It would be really nice in my opinion.

6.Things to consider - if rep points for bad play will become sth quite common maybe the number to collect to be removed from safelist should be higher; all players should bear in mind that assigning rep points to others is serious thing not some joke. We should understand that they are to make banlist better place to play, and in our own bussines is to rep point that really are threat to good games and dont rep those in with whose games are fine. In addition if users will start to abuse the voting rep point mechanism (for example i suck but i got 4 friends in every game who never would vote for rep for me) others may request rep points for such abusers and the decision belongs to mods.

Well that was just my suggestion. the topic is open and i hope it won't end only on empty speech but some real changes will be made at the end.

[Anomandaris]

"And as was in part 2 i suggest: only one rep point per game, max one rep point per day, those rep points dont stack with other types of rep points and last for one month, if one get 4 of them he is removed from safelist (not banned, removed)."

Yea sure. You just made me laugh, I hope you know why.
In my opinion letting users to vouch will destroy ss community. What do you think, why we deleted option to vouch for good players? Because there were many, many abusers that vouched for nooby friends. This will be same ****. And if you ask me, no I don't trust people here...
Tayschrenn here btw ;d

[janjetina]

it think this whole thing with rules and -rep points or ban is very hard job!
imortant thing is that moderators MUST NOT have favoritism when decide who gets -rep point,( my english is not good so hard to find right words) ! i said favoritism in this meaning: when moderators make -rep points they should not be gently to players they know and hard on players they dont know or dont like! hope you understand what i wanted to say. Rules are for EVERYONE!
Second : to be good judge moderators should be very very smart and have to understand dota in all aspects! example: how to see bad play in dota when 10 ( lets say pro players) play? its like in sport like football: if brasil football team loose game with german or italian team,does that mean they are noobs?? its the same thing in dota! when 10 good players play its so easy to look like noob because you fight vs great players! example: my friend -.-fire-.- gets -rep point for feedeng in game,he was witch doctor and he was really pro ganged 4-5 times by charged barathurum and ghoul! how can he evade that? is he noob now? in most other games he show that he is real pro player that mostly pwn others. moderators will say: " well, he had to make 16 bracers and 9 vanguards! " or something like that nvm!
thing is: YOU JUST CANT ALWAYS WIN!!! no matter how big pro you are! and there will alway be games where good team gang the weakest player in game( small hp not small skill) ! its just the way that dota play! i think if 10 good players play dota there must be or is great chance there would be player that was ganged more than others,some low hp int or slow hero or hero that had hard lane! is he feeder and noob because he was gang by other pro ss players?? NO !
so moderators should think before giving -rep point, is player really bad or is just ganged most time in game!

one more thing:did anybody see moderator in game that loose? i did! i even saw one moderator had 0-6 or 0-7 score with centaur in game but he didnt get -rep point,i didnt call him noob feeder because i know he is good player but this time he was ganged too many times! this happens in all games to 1-2 players so what?
so my suggestion is: moderators think twice before making any -rep point! it would be fair for all ss players because we are here to have good time and play dota, not to feel like dota criminals in ss dota prison judged by ss moderators judges!

sry for bad english!

[imaginary]

Mods have said many times that they dont give -rep for just ONE (i guess not even 2) bad games of feedin, they watch players and apply a punishment only when somethin wrong is repeated.

And Baltazar, im sorry but in my opinion, ur tryin to become a somekind of 'martyr' with all this story the last 2 days..

[baltazar_gabka]

imaginary: What being a martyr will give me anyway? Its just not worth hassle.

I just posted in this thread some suggestions which in my opinion might improve ss. Take them or leave them.

[Dinamit]

i think that -1 rep point per game is maximum cose you cant say to player who have bad game and start feeding that he have bad items or something like that, and give him -2 rep points and if for exemple some modarator is/could be, pissed off on him cose his team losing cose of feeder then he gets -3 rep points . if you start feed [bad game maby] you dont have gold = bad items . and there are two ways, all game trying to get money for good item [in many cases you dont have time to farm in woods or you are ganged all a time or other team push so you must come and def with your team] or to try alternativ noob items wich will at list make your hero little stronger maby there is some more ways but this is exemple:D

[Mer]

Sugesstion:
Change topic name from "Two New Rules Added. Important!" to "Rules Changelog", and post there all changes in Rules. Everytime post new post to make it visible to all players(you can always delete old one).

[Artanthos]

Sugesstion:
Change topic name from "Two New Rules Added. Important!" to "Rules Changelog", and post there all changes in Rules. Everytime post new post to make it visible to all players(you can always delete old one).

Good idea. It will be done.

[basics]

It would be nice for the guard to kick afk ppl from ss channel... i see 10-12 players every day and most of the time no one is on...

[LifeDrainer[RO]]

It would be nice for the guard to kick afk ppl from ss channel... i see 10-12 players every day and most of the time no one is on...

how can afk ppl harm you?i dont see the point here.....

[Uberpr0]

the "afk people " may pass the afk virus to you , and you may get afk like them for several years!

[teeron]

I have suggestion to ss mods.
Why there is no condition in ss to use ventrilo or TS in ss games, that would increase lvl of games and bring more fun to all.

[Blum_Erkys]

:thumbUP: yeah..i think teeron idea is very good...it vould be more comunication between players and much more cooperation in-game....but also i the main rule in ventrilo speak is TALK ENGLISH! cuz some ppls who are fromm same country use to speak their lang...this happens also in chat room on ss....and if the player doesn't know how to speak propper english he can write on in-game chat! Good thinking teerOn!:beer: :thumbUP:

[basics]

Janjetina, dude you`re wrong.
First thing is -ar just sucks because is the most unbalanced mod in dota, u can know from the begining, if the players are about the same in skill, the result of the game.
Second thing -rd doesn`t sucks not even if u get to pick last. In fact the best thing for me is to pick last because i know every last thing, yes i was last and yes i did picked ezalor. U think that`s bad? in fact ezalor should be picked if possible, why? the first think is called leak !(wich is so powerfull) second he can control 2 lanes while pushing a third one due to his ultimate. (this can be best seen in a 1v1 ap game ezalor wins every game ! let me detail a bit ap means 3 lanes, ezalor can control 3 lanes at the same time !!!i know that he doesn`t control them for a long time, but it`s enough to create an advantage on those lanes so that creeps can push alone) third he will evolve in guinso which is ofcourse good for the team and more bla bla like this.
-rd is the best mode because u have the chance to know what hero the previous player picked and u can control the way the game will expand, why this is better than ap? because here the heroes from wich u pick are randomized. choosing here will stimulate more your creativity and bring more enjoyment during the game and satisfaction after.
Some dude said "u have to w8 5 mins !!!" or something like that. Dude u are off target. consider this : if u wait like 5 mins in the creation tab is better? will this make u say that the current mod(whatever that is) sucks? i`ll stop here with this one.
And 1 more thing Janjetina u said in "-rd plp ALWAYS and i mean A L W A Y S pick the most brutal aoe spell dmg heroes like lich, nevermore,lina, leshrac,beastmaster is must have in all games" . It`s not like one team is choosing and the other team is halting . Both teams will have aoe.
U said "and plp who pick last just dont have anything smart to pick because there left heroes like ezalor,brisleback,faceless void,mortred and other" the important thing is : Is one of those heroes a counter for one of the opposition heroes?
-rd is more unbalanced modd than -ar or -ap!!! why??
because in -rd last plp who pick are ****ed!! Wrong statement !
in -ap you can pick whatever you want to counter enemy!
How can i put this ?! I belive that this is more boring than rd, not that rd is boring, because u can always pick the best counter for a hero and u will always pick that hero.
in -ar teams are 50-50! sometimes you get one team better heroes and sometimes you dont!!
but its funny!!!!! NO, that`s not funny ! 1 team is just like a sheep going to ...well turning into food :p
rd looks like we play for money or something like that!! BORING
and if you think that plp dont pick same heroes all the time,save some replays and watch! Dare : play like 3 games in ap and tell me if some1 didn`t pick sniper, void or miner. in rd u are forced not to play the same heroes in 3 consecutive games.
90% kills made in -rd games are made by spells ! BORING
Where is the logic here? This is global because most spells are ranged and do some good dmg. What`s the difference between being killed by hit or spell that makes being killed by spell boring?
ps HAIL SNS

[2hard4u-]

Should change the time or that rule saying it must finish even teams at 5v5 or in the end few leavers

In the mod test games there ain't 60 mins games cause they loook at basic things. Why not make the same in reply viewing? rly, the mods like watching 60+ m?( if no one bothers to QUIT)

few weeks ago i tried to get in SS got denied in my baddest days of my dota
Now i get hard time trying o get full 5v5 no leavers... in so much time still not in only cuz of that. Every game a a.Q Q

[sunnis]

Should change the time or that rule saying it must finish even teams at 5v5 or in the end few leavers

In the mod test games there ain't 60 mins games cause they loook at basic things. Why not make the same in reply viewing? rly, the mods like watching 60+ m?( if no one bothers to QUIT)

few weeks ago i tried to get in SS got denied in my baddest days of my dota
Now i get hard time trying o get full 5v5 no leavers... in so much time still not in only cuz of that. Every game a a.Q Q

you have always test games you can play without leavers.

[2hard4u-]

Yes I know, those hours excluded me. Plus, i don't know on what day are they, is a calendar somewhere?

[sunnis]

Yes I know, those hours excluded me. Plus, i don't know on what day are they, is a calendar somewhere?

there isn't calendar, just check test games thread, it is usually announced 2-3 days before.

[2hard4u-]

Ok that was my lack of info.

My suggestion: Remove the rule saying fixed even teams whole match and just look at player skills.

Maybe this will boost more players into SS, whY? cause on pub games u play with lots of freaks of any kind, age, thus if one leaves u have to re do the process

[BonzyIsSexy]

Ok , I have 1 suggestion. It is about the proper punishment needed for guys who spam non-ss games via guard.
For the start , let me remind you that the spam via guard command is taken away from someone who does that. I will not name the guy who did this , but today we wanted to play a nice ss game and gringo said he will host in 5 min , so we waited for him. So then comes one guy and spams non ss game via guard and many ss players enter it , like 5 of them or so. Then , he just got command removal , which is too low punishment from "stealing" players from ss to play non-ss game. Imo -1 rep or 2 should be given to anyone who does this.
Thank you in advance

[Ludwiczek]

lol, y mean game "koko #1" ?

we starting make own private, with ~6-7 ss players, then when we check, in game was 7 ss, and we thought mayby make ss only game, BUT many ss players want join and many firends of firends, and friends of ss frineds and problems were comes,
after we mixed tames, rejoijn kickin, we still need 1-2 more,
so 1 of us use guard, BUT then at least 6 players and friends want come in..

game is hosted on normal host not BOT so cant use slot12 or swap

we waiting game and freinds long so we kick 1 ss from game (on his place are wating ss players and friends too)

i know its forbiden, spamming games by guiard BUT we want make it ss only,

its stupid and its reason that
pub+priv with ss players and friends are better then ss only

when y want host ss game you need 120 min to call all, and 170 min for swaping teams and asking for slots kicks. etc..
and all want another team, all want friends, all say keep slots! 7 friends comming!

on dota is 10/12 slots only.... cant come and swap and mixed 99 palyers

about "guilty" man:
he use guard 1 time, cose he thinking its ss game, cose it was maigh be ss game...

and we kick just 1 ss players

AND YOU WANT -rep for it???

xD

PS for PL players and PL mods

ten system hostowania ss gier jest chory, nie mozna kickac nikogo z gry, kazdy ma po 10 znajoych co chca grac + czesc non ss
chcemy pograc, nie ma za wiele czasu, jest nas 7-12 osob + kazdy wola kogos, i kazdy chce innny team kazdy swoich ziomkow,
wlazi jakis za przerpszeniem nikomu nie znany kolo na gre i wola ze on tez ss jest i najepiej z 4 sloty dla niego dac... chocaiz wszystkie zajete

wole zagrac priva gdzie jest 7-9 ss playerow + przyjaciele, kazdy sie zna, jest zajebiscie, na luzie, nikt nie klnie nie obwinia nikogo, lecą zarciki tylko
czy sie przegra czy wygra jest wesoło i nikt nie płacze ze -rep bo bad play -rep bo delay - rep bo bracer zamist nula i nikt nie wychodzi jak go zabiją
bo wszyscy sie lubią i grają razem, w normalnej ss grze, czeka sie na nią godzine, zadyma jest z teamami, friendami, kazdy co innego chce,
spamuja prze je banie zachowuja sie jak kmiotki. w prawie kazdej grze jest d/c i leaverzy i po prawie kazdej grze -rep i ciśnienia i konlikty

wiec wniosek jest prosty, po co na sile grac ss only po 30-40 minutach wolania ludzi, jak mozna zagrac gre "prawie jak ss" kora na ogol jest lepsza
i bez ciśnien, bez nikomu nie znanych kolesi co sa w ss 2 dni i wyjda lub feed

ps. zawsze mowie nie spamujcie koko gier przez gaurda no to zabronione, teraz msylslesimy ze uda sie ss only wiec 1 koles napisal przez guarda,
i co ma dostac -rep... LOL

ja co chwile widze spam po 10x gn, po 10x sorryu d/c any slots? jakies klotnie zarciki, pierdole nie i nic raz za czas sie komus wyalczy perama czy na tydzien
guarda a tu 1 msg i - rep...

-.-

[-eXtasY-]

Ludwi i think u lost every right to say anything , i clearly see that u dont like ss game , and dont want to play them . If u want to use your status to fill slots in your privs , then sorry but u cant! Dunno but it looks like u miss power od custom kick and banlist in ss , so u prefer pubs or random privs over it , especially if u have proven ss players in and u can use your "power" of them , without any rules applying . You clearly missed the point of being safelisted . Proofs for all i said

[18:02] You whisper to Guard: /rank ludwiczek
[18:02] Guard whispers: Player ludwiczek is not ranked. Ladder is running almost two months , and for that time u havn't played ss games at all.
So verdict , if i see u spam non ss game again , ill ban u.

[Ludwiczek]

Ludwi
So verdict , if i see u spam non ss game again , ill ban u.

1) im NEVER spam my prv games via guard, NEVER, and always when any want do it i said : NO, dont do it!

2) its true i not play full ss/uploaded/ranked game till ~2 months [EDIT: not true, official rank egzist since 1 month :)]
but i play privarte and pubs in which are usuall 4-7 ss players or more and friends
and when i see average ss game from -rep request i can only laugh :)

3) ss community seems going not that what i expected, but i see your and others mods hard works to improve & make it better,
so i were stay in and keep watching what is going on playing games with friends + some ss

for me, my time and friends are more important then random new ss palyers
so im still thinking about .unsafelist, but when i see and remember your works and others dreams about makin high lvl gaming on xpam,
i cant just throw it and said bye bye, but as i said its not it that i expected from ss gaming :(

and when you want ban me, just said it to me, no need forcing, i resign i my own decision if you want

,

ps. Mr dogman leave diablo alone i have nothing against him, but words what he said suffer me a bit...

idiots g a y s and noobs can try tell anyting about me and cant hurt, but not persons which i respect...

[Mr.Doggod]

leave diablo alone?? and who touch him anyway? he trying to make ss better place?? rofl! sure! i said looooong time ago that mods are wrong if they think that rep point and ban will make ss better place! sure!
players who get rep point will play better???
players that get banned will play better???
NO
you think ss community can call itself community?? community??
in school for blind deaf and retarded plp you can see,hear and learn more of dota than here! ! ! what is this ss forum?? to put players pictures?? funny replays? ban request? ladder " im so good and all others sucks"? rofl!
where is item build help tread?
where is skill build help tread?
where is dota best hero tactic tread?
where is teamplay tactic tread?
where is anything that can help some player to improve its skill???

you cant find that in ss! no way! but you can find 20 million rep point and ban request treads! that will improve ss im sure! and when you say something to mods you can only get banned! lol!
because they are soooo smart! almost DOTA GODS! every game they play is so perfect! not even one mistake! yes, iseen how some mods play and i dont have any comment than rofl!

[-eXtasY-]

Ok first of all , ludwi sorry if i was too rude. The point is that i just cant understand you. You are a mature guy , not some spoiled kid. U surely like nice games , and we are offering them to you. I could understand it earlier when it was hard to find players for priv games , so u didnt want to wait , but now things changed much. We have very nice number of active players , and we did many projects just to make good place for dota (Bots , ladder , tours etc).
Thats why i just cant understand when i see a good players totaly ignoring all that , and go play pubs instead. I also understand u want sometimes to play with friends who cant get safelisted , but its impossible that u have such situation every time during 2 months.
Again , sorry if i hurt you , it wasnt my attention to do it.

Now about u Mr.Dogged.

leave diablo alone?? and who touch him anyway? he trying to make ss better place?? rofl! sure! i said looooong time ago that mods are wrong if they think that rep point and ban will make ss better place! sure!
players who get rep point will play better???
players that get banned will play better???
NO Yes it will , because they will not play in ss. If they wont or cant improve they have public games available.

you think ss community can call itself community?? community??
in school for blind deaf and retarded plp you can see,hear and learn more of dota than here! ! ! what is this ss forum?? to put players pictures?? funny replays? ban request? ladder " im so good and all others sucks"? rofl!That is exactly what makes ss a community. Its not just a pure gaming with random ppl u dont know. You can also chat with them , know them better , make friends (online ones ofs) and common. If u dont like ladder you are probably complexed because u cant make good stats , but again no one force u to use signature or anything similar.

where is item build help tread?
where is skill build help tread?
where is dota best hero tactic tread?
where is teamplay tactic tread?
where is anything that can help some player to improve its skill???Its all written in requirements thread , but we are going to write it all separated in several thread in dota allstars forum.
you cant find that in ss! no way! but you can find 20 million rep point and ban request treads! that will improve ss im sure! and when you say something to mods you can only get banned! lol!Rules are very clear , and without them we would have one big anarchy which would destory everything what we made. So if 200 ppl brake rules , its just fine to see 200 ban request. If they cant respect rules they agreed on , when posted request , then they dont belong here.

because they are soooo smart! almost DOTA GODS! every game they play is so perfect! not even one mistake! yes, iseen how some mods play and i dont have any comment than rofl!Ofcourse we dont play perfect , as no one does. But ss moderators are very experienced players and surely better then 80% of ss players in , so majority of players can learn much from them. Saying "mods are rofl" was just.... You are probably some banned user who got frustrated , so u just wanted to say something against mods, no matter how stupid it is.

Now if u want to write something more , do it on less agresive way with some real facts.
p.s. you could also tell me whats your real nick, since im almost sure u are some banned user, probably janjetina

[[TemS]Mozza]

Well you have point but this forum is full of -rep and ban req, i am not SS player, I just want to say that people are not acting like a team or friends , they are just watching every move of players so they can post a -rep or ban req , why not act like friends and help people if they make something wrong . It not all about OMG HE BOUGHT A WRONG ITEM ON HIS HERO , BAN BAN BAN BAN. Don't be like that... Thank you for considuration

[Sagacity]

1)
and when you want ban me, just said it to me, no need forcing, i resign i my own decision if you want
..

i don,t take side on this thread, but let me ask you something?
if he want to ban you.... how can you resign on your decision? :beer:

:thumbUP:

[Mr.Doggod]

rofl! who cares for your ban?? omfg! you think that whole world want to play in ss?? some mods play like total noobs but nvm! and i dont care because i lost my nervs allready because mods noob play! than i say "**** you noob mod" and i dont play ss! so what?
im sry for not saving replays from "prefect" mods dota games when they had score like 0:5 with centaur or first item boots with 450 hp gondar and TONS of feeding! WTF was that????? ok you play that ss! i wont! and when i say modd is noob i get ban! good!
some mods dont even play till lvl 20! they w8 to farm 20000 gold and than game starts after 1 hour! hahaha! pro play!
i have 30 acc on this forum so no need to tell you all my acc! maybe i am banned on 1-2 acc but i have another ss acc if i wanna play! but i wont! no need! no fun! i see many noobs in ss games but i cant tell them " **** you noob idiot" because ill get banned! thats not fun! i have to be nice to all noobs and morons and lick ass to not get ban! i saw so f many noobs and provokers in ss games but nobody get ban?? why? because they talk like this:
" oh.. extasy, you are so cool, you are so good, can i suck your balls?"
and you dont ban them! good!
they are your ass licking friends,why should you ban them?
i totally understand you!
when i start to write on that *** way, maybe you would start to like me too,right?

i just saw this noob provoker sagacity! he is pure example of my words! my 12 year old sister play dota better than him! and he is respected ss member! rofl! im sry i dont have replay when he act like retarded idiot in ss game! maybe i should start to save ALL ss games! that is good idea!

[-eXtasY-]

Yes , you are janjetina , thats where my converation with you ends.
Last warning take care of way you post.

[Ludwiczek]

i don,t take side on this thread, but let me ask you something?
if he want to ban you.... how can you resign on your decision? :beer:

:thumbUP:


its really not your buissnes, but if you want know i mean situation
when someone is not welcome, or mods hesitate/thinking ban him or not

or when mod want ban me but there is no reason to ban

now you understand?

if he dont want me in comuniuty, but cant ban cose no reasons,
he can just tell me it, and i leave myself... without reasons cose i repsect him

ps.
i tell many time my enlglish sux, so i cant write directly and clear whan i want write

ps2.
the misunderstud was cose extasy not read carefluy my eaerlier post and he thinking that ME spam MY GNames

then he said :do it again, and i ban you: (why again and why me? not again cose not eralier and not me cose it was not me)

and he has some rights, i like and want power when i playing, like CK, own banlist and own "hosting style"

and when i see players whiuch i know they are noobs or ***s, or my enemies i dont want play with them
but in ss game i MUST play with them, listen flamings 110 min and look how they noobing, only after end i can
watch replay, jugde again and make -rep reqests, then wait again and they will pushined , soon pushin taken
and again noobing
so for me CK and banlist are lovely tools,

friends tell me many times, lol 1000, 2000 acc on banlist you soon cant host game cose no one want or cant join.
i got 3600 + 3500 bans + kick stupid nicks + kick flamers, sloters, spammers, and i still can play many game

and i always smile a lot when i see my autokick owning banned-acc :)


PS. im not in mood to discous and explain "haters" what i mean or waht i think, i can answer only serious questions,

[Mr.7error]

How is banning/-repping noob dudes bad and innapropriate ? It does not help ? Yes it does, it clenses this place and only those who deserve it will remain.

[Ludwiczek]

dont discous with mrdogman, he is crazy and when you will talk with him soon will be 100 pages not nessesery spaming posts :)

i watinng on gmail on photo which you promise me... (her photo :) )

[ss-Kenyshor]

leave diablo alone?? and who touch him anyway? he trying to make ss better place?? rofl! sure! i said looooong time ago that mods are wrong if they think that rep point and ban will make ss better place! sure!
players who get rep point will play better???
players that get banned will play better???
NO
you think ss community can call itself community?? community??
in school for blind deaf and retarded plp you can see,hear and learn more of dota than here! ! ! what is this ss forum?? to put players pictures?? funny replays? ban request? ladder " im so good and all others sucks"? rofl!
where is item build help tread?
where is skill build help tread?
where is dota best hero tactic tread?
where is teamplay tactic tread?
where is anything that can help some player to improve its skill???

you cant find that in ss! no way! but you can find 20 million rep point and ban request treads! that will improve ss im sure! and when you say something to mods you can only get banned! lol!
because they are soooo smart! almost DOTA GODS! every game they play is so perfect! not even one mistake! yes, iseen how some mods play and i dont have any comment than rofl!


And since WHEN is ss comunity linked in everything it means with this forum? I played on xpam for many years and NOT EVEN once checked this forum for skill build help thread, item build thread, etc etc. If you want to improve yourself you can find other sources, internet its full of them you just want to check. So spare me with the "ss sucks, because forum doesnt have helping threads", it's bulls*it. Ofcourse it will be nice and good to have and we will have, but that doesnt mean anything.

I saw picture once with "someone" writing on a table : "I will search google, before asking dumb question in class" , so my advice for you...go sit in the corner and write it down 100 times please.

[Mr.Doggod]

And since WHEN is ss comunity linked in everything it means with this forum? I played on xpam for many years and NOT EVEN once checked this forum for skill build help thread, item build thread, etc etc. If you want to improve yourself you can find other sources, internet its full of them you just want to check. So spare me with the "ss sucks, because forum doesnt have helping threads", it's bulls*it. Ofcourse it will be nice and good to have and we will have, but that doesnt mean anything.

I saw picture once with "someone" writing on a table : "I will search google, before asking dumb question in class" , so my advice for you...go sit in the corner and write it down 100 times please.

ok, here is another proof that mods write thing that have nothing to do with real situation! when did i say thst "ss sux????
omfg keny can you pls first read post and than put your comment??? in this way you lokk so stupid! pls go read it one more time and than post your comment! ok?
ofc it would be good to have some skill lvl up and some advise tread! but problem is who will say something smart of dota? you? berg?rofl! you know only to write this " ban ban ban" and stupid thing like that!
thats why you find my idea useless, i understand you! :)
because when you see replay of some poor guy that was feeding or made bad item,you just dont have any idea how to correct him and hive him some advise,you just dont have brain power to do that! instead you give rep point!
i think you dota knowlege is at VERY low lvl, thats why you can only ban players and not to advise them or help them in any way!
to clear all future argue i say that im biggest noob here too and i need to learn of dota myself! thats why i give such suggestions but you just dont care because you and all other mods have such a high thinking of yourself and of your dota skill! lke some player told yestrerday you are f...ing farmers, thats all your dota skill!

[ss-Kenyshor]

I didnt had any problems with your first post, I have problems with the post that I quoted. You're just like our politicians, you can talk one day about a specific subject and beeing completely offtopic. I didnt said that you said ss sucks, it was just a conclusion after reading your posts.

PS: I had to read your posts three times to actually understand what is that you are trying to say to me. Next time please write with a dictionar in your hands. I dont care so much about gramma stuff, given the fact that english isn't your native language,but at least you should know that a sentence begins with capital letter, e.g : A,B,C,D,E, etc. Even in your native language.By they way, do me a favor, leave us and our dota skill and pay attention to your teachers, they're trying to prepare you for entering a society(maybe even dota society? who know:) ).

[Intruder.CZ]

ok, here is another proof that mods write thing that have nothing to do with real situation! when did i say thst "ss sux????
omfg keny can you pls first read post and than put your comment??? in this way you lokk so stupid! pls go read it one more time and than post your comment! ok?
ofc it would be good to have some skill lvl up and some advise tread! but problem is who will say something smart of dota? you? berg?rofl! you know only to write this " ban ban ban" and stupid thing like that!
thats why you find my idea useless, i understand you! :)
because when you see replay of some poor guy that was feeding or made bad item,you just dont have any idea how to correct him and hive him some advise,you just dont have brain power to do that! instead you give rep point!
i think you dota knowlege is at VERY low lvl, thats why you can only ban players and not to advise them or help them in any way!
to clear all future argue i say that im biggest noob here too and i need to learn of dota myself! thats why i give such suggestions but you just dont care because you and all other mods have such a high thinking of yourself and of your dota skill! lke some player told yestrerday you are f...ing farmers, thats all your dota skill!

Maybe Mr.Doggod is sick but he said one big true, there is so many dumb ppl which don't ready posts carefuly and reply about something they dont understand or dont know. But its not kenyshor case, i get what he want to say and if u dont get it u obviously lost ur brain somewhere and cant find it

[Bilis]

i got this Doggod guy on my ignore list from his second post, i don't know why you bother with one of his stature.

[Ludwiczek]

Ludwi i think u lost every right to say anything
Ladder is running almost two months , and for that time u havn't played ss games at all.


lil correct...

Hello , im glad to announce that dota ladder is finally finished and ready for use . We have put it in official use on 4.03.2008 at 12:00

so its not 2 months of rank use and i were ranked on beta version rank before reset ;)

[magister_ludi]

i suggest u do something about judging, cuz from what i see, no person became safelisted for a long time now.

[LifeDrainer[RO]]

lol...this is because we want to raise quality here, and also we cant approve some1 who does not meet requirements simply because we didnt approve some1 for long time

[magister_ludi]

ok, i guess lots of us were in situation where u miss few players to start a game and noones entering...
only solution i have encountered is that my friends whispers me trought msn to join the game, and i join. cuz i dont like waiting in ss channel and check every few minutes is there a game.
or somehow u are in ventrilo channel and someone calls you.
one time someone posted here on forums that they need +2 players and there was a response, soon they started a game.

so here comes my suggestion,
if guard works outside war3 he can be programmed to send status of games on internet, sending data to your Database every 2-10 seconds refreshing the status.
and making a part of forum (little ss box somewhere on screen), where u can see all the chat messages that comes trough Guard, and maybe even more advanced options to check(or show) the /o /g commands(games and player statuses)...or even notify players on net with sound, (like if a character like "!s" is found in message play a notify sound)...
checking forums is not a big deal, its easier than entering the warcraft and stuff...


is this neccesery? well i think just showing chat messages is enough, u can see "gn: *** +3" and stuff like that.

good things, well its usefull, easy to make, it may lead to more games during the day for people who dont work.

bad things, its a one way chat, so people on net cannot respond, but i think thats not a big deal.
there is topaz already, but personaly i dont like it becouse it takes 10 seconds to log, write /join ss and i have to customize it, install it, so on...i could enter war3 in same time.

realisation, well if u dont want to make we can help,
if someone can fill DB i can make (i am sure lots of u can) make script to read it, parse it, and present it on web.

whatcha all think??

[rza]

logging on topaz takes 0.6s, theres auto join channel also
wassup

[Anomandaris]

logging with Osiris takes 0.3s.
Always Osiris > topaz.

Anyways, idea is not ba, but require lots of work...

[magister_ludi]

ok, chat programs are not bad...its just, they are program that needs to be installed and i for one cannot install nothing new. maybe there are others like that, or just dont want to have any excess programs.
i dont know about the reasons but most guys dont use osiris/topaz, they stick with msn, or ventrilo but thats not productive much. but i notice that 90% people visit forums cuz its just a click away from the valuble data.

i just dunno if its worth the trouble, but i can help, i work for a company as a developer, using js,php,mysql,as3 connections, and from what i see only problem is injecting the data into DB, rest is easy.
i dont know much about the guard, but if some moderator has 10 minutes to spare for chat, i might be able to help with that too.

EDIT: so extasy told me anom made him in java based enviroment. so does java have problem communicating with external databases like MySql? if it does, maybe you could just fill in the text document, or xml if it doesnt violate sandbox security things. from which server is guard running?

[Tito]

How about making a poll every month and vote for the player that has improved at most durring the passed month? It should improve the ss, imo.

[Sagacity]

how about a poll about the best player in more categories?

like oscars :)

[Shinde.]

how about a poll about the best player in more categories?

like oscars :)

Well , a poll wouldn't be needed in the best flamer on ss category since we all know the winner :) .

[JoLpAz]

u bet it : )
EDIT]it`s Ogi, i posted from reto aka again @@

[sublime_]

How about making a poll every month and vote for the player that has improved at most durring the passed month? It should improve the ss, imo.

This month me ofc :)

[hahahehe]

This month me ofc :)

I'm the best, gg, thx

[xXJesusXx]

Whats about SS All-Star draft...

At end of month MOds decide who was best 7players on ss..

Best carry,Best tank,Best iniciator,Best team leader,Best support etc..that will be rly nice :D

So u can come on channel and say F.U all im best farmer(tAy after draft!!! 100% :D:D:D:D:D:)

[magister_ludi]

make host_one/two/... whisper guard when they create a game...
like /w guard /m game created: gn: etc...

EDIT: yea, if they need players they will whisper trough guard, otherwise its not nessecery to spam messages if players are chosen before the game...hmmmm...i still think its nice stuff..

[Ludwiczek]

hmm, it can be nice option

[Anomandaris]

make host_one/two/... whisper guard when they create a game...
like /w guard /m game created: gn: etc...

EDIT: yea, if they need players they will whisper trough guard, otherwise its not nessecery to spam messages if players are chosen before the game...hmmmm...i still think its nice stuff..

You rly don't need help with spamming

[rza]

Wasssssssup Anom

[Uberpr0]

can i get the poll for longest afk'er ?

thx

[Deity]

Well the latest requests that I read, I saw that many players post for there friends in order to apply, this is a bad thing because they don't have the chance to read the server rules or at least ss comunity rules. So my conclusion is to add a big red line in eXtasY's thread that says
"A friend cannot make request for you, this must be done with your on forum account" or something like that.

[VamoS_GringO]

i support this idea.i mean its not that complicated to make a forumm acc,isnt it?

[VamoS_GringO]

guys,i dont know how you feel about it but i think we should apply the tour rules (item restrictions) to normal ss games:
- Each team may only have 2 Necronomicon
- Each team may only have 2 Eul’s, or 2 Guinsoo’s Scythe of Vyse, or 1 Eul’s and 1 Guinsoo’s Scythe of Vyse
- Each team may only have 1 Arcane Ring
- Each team may only have 1 Refresher
I lost my ****ing mind when we lost a game in which the enemy team had 3 guinsoos +lions hex+furions sprout (we had 4 melee).its like treant+enigma+warlock with one refresher each...
its a rare situation that some team makes more then 2 sheepsticks or 1 refresher(but its really stupid for the other team when that happens) so it wont change almost anything but would prevent such item abuse.

[_Seeker_]

What about opening a thread: "Replay debate ",their we should say everything about that replay,why we lost?what we did wrong?what should we have done,and give our opinions,and see our individual misstakes. In this way we all can see what we need to improve.So i wait for your opinions about this.Cya

[Syos]

well i found hostbot is very medium solid players, only need few dispose of few noobs, i found too in chan 'a' very decent players, and ss is not even needed, when all pros go play profesional leagues or channels, ggc or divisions...but if ss start some tournament in dota for money or smth :D maybe even sk and mym come :P , need only fix delay :) lc ftw

[_Seeker_]

Are u lol?Delay probelm is fixed it`s it?Hostbot tell`s u something?And about playing dota for money,i think he have more important things to do with our life`s.

[ribacbacri]

Lil_GringO;808785']guys,i dont know how you feel about it but i think we should apply the tour rules (item restrictions) to normal ss games:
- Each team may only have 2 Necronomicon
- Each team may only have 2 Eul’s, or 2 Guinsoo’s Scythe of Vyse, or 1 Eul’s and 1 Guinsoo’s Scythe of Vyse
- Each team may only have 1 Arcane Ring
- Each team may only have 1 Refresher
I lost my ****ing mind when we lost a game in which the enemy team had 3 guinsoos +lions hex+furions sprout (we had 4 melee).its like treant+enigma+warlock with one refresher each...
its a rare situation that some team makes more then 2 sheepsticks or 1 refresher(but its really stupid for the other team when that happens) so it wont change almost anything but would prevent such item abuse.

I tough this rules, are already compulsory. Every game i played(although i didn't played for long time because of pc) we played with this rules included

[Ludwiczek]

what about helios rank #1 (mean all statistics, points, etc) ? it will be archived and public and still accessable on www ? or erased? or what?
its not be good to erase/drop other players which were playing ss games.

what about show in this topic screen with top #10 or even top 15-20 or just link for working old rank?
if old www acces is not erased, its no needed, but i yes, mayby use quote hide and put here top 10,20,50?
or just 10-15?, if still acces for old ranking site, no need more here then top3 or max 10

and i dont like actual look/layout of perito post, try make it more beauty/looking nicer

try improve it

[Anomandaris]

Lol, I had to read 3 times your post ludwi, before I understood it. Old ww will be still online. Does it satisfy you? :)

Btw, here is new www for league (beta version for now): http://tnij.org/ssleague

[Ludwiczek]

Lol, I had to read 3 times your post ludwi, before I understood it.

its my foult that your engslish knowladge sux much :p ?
btw we shouldn't have problem with cominiactione cose we both same country ;)


[B]Does it satisfy you? :)


dunno, but is good idea to keep it avilabele and public

nice work, i hope players understand and will be greatfull/apripricate to you ;)

good luck with improving it and never stop :)

[Anomandaris]

I'm coding ssGhost 11. Any sugestions? How to make it easier to install/configure. Maybe some commands you need?

[Ludwiczek]

...its time and chance to move your all fat asses and help yourself by helping Anom...
He can do his job well, but need your sugestions/ideas

so mayby try help, before he do it without your wishesh
and when ssGhost will be released you will start talk:
omg, i wann add/change sth!

time for ideas/changes/features is NOW :)