About hosts and hosting games

[Ludwiczek]

please all SS hosts post here with your location/country/comp/connection

I see many times ppl which told me they 10-100 mbps connection,
4 GB memory 3Ghz CPU and geforece 8800GT on board, and they said:
CANNOT lag on their hosts… its not TRUE

why?:
1) they can have bad internet provider…their 10 mbps only on paper ;p
2) poor quality of net (often breakdown, spikes and overload, bad organized subnets)
3) they have mess in system and hdd (huge ammonut of no needed ****)
3) they probably have a huge amount of not nesessery process and tasks with
4) bad configured antywirus and firewall or others antihackers antispys stuff
5) a lot of download and upload activity

good configured 1mb host better then noobish bad 10 mb……

cose to host dota game no need imba conn or imba compz


PLEASE:
Use net traffic monitoring (like netlimiter)
Use computer power monitoring (% cpu, ram, temp)

and close all downloads/uploads activities and no needed programs.

I know how hard stop dll your favorite porn when playin’ but y need close it ;D

when you do all proper and still spikes lags delay in game try check
%cpu and net traffic maybe scheduled tasks or antivirus or firewall
going crazy or your dammed friends sents mails or mssg,
maybe your net admin is a nob ;) maybe internet service provider
have trouble…? Who knows


please all SS hosts post here with your location/country/comp/connection

it will be helpful cose we can choose in future
on which host play if more then 1 host on ss avilable
to avoid lags/delay/spikes in ss games

[Ludwiczek]

1st ss host

ME: Ludwiczek

Computer:
AMD SEMPRON 2500+ ~ 1,5 GHz
1024 MB DDR400
GeForce 6600 128MB

Location:
Middle EU, POLAND, Kraków

Connection:
~ 2000 kbps / 768 kbps (after 22.00 double download - 4000 kbps)

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/843/speed1nw1.jpg

http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/8953/test1vk8.jpg

http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/6025/test2kf2.jpg


examples of latency from games:

http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/2822/lat1zc3.jpg

http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/8474/lat2hc6.jpg

[[LOA]Kyree]

Good ideea ...when i go to my club..where there i can host games i will check my pc and my net conection.Today,later i will edit the post with the results.


PC:
Intel Pentium 4 CPU 3.00 GHz (2CPUs)
512 DD RAM (400 MGHz)
GeForce 6600 128 MB

Internet (used a internet speed test from google,the server i tested was a server from Finland):


http://www.speedtest.net/result/177974534.png (http://www.speedtest.net)

With the internet conection dont know if it is good for hosting...but when i host RO games usually a am a good host.

[Rake]

Sorry for posts deletion, but it was unneded spam.I'm expecting replies from hosts only, in similar form as, Ludwiczek did.

[Xfire]

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/5395/134855172zc1.jpg (http://www.speedtest.net/)

AMD Athlon 64 3000+

1gb ram

Nvidia geforce 6600+

Connection type : RDS Fiberlink ( optic fiber ).

[risingstar]

risingstar/Destiny_

Location:romania

comp :2600+ sempron/128 asus vid card

Connection:4mb/s Fiberlink (RdS)

I'ma Good ss host i've hosted many many ss games. cyas

[[_--T]Maska]

Its not only about ****y providers, its distance also and connections between countries.

now well


5mb/1mb
Sony Vaio Laptop
2.0 M Pentium
2 Gb

[Ludwiczek]

how about latency?

like it:
Latency:
PontiePilat: 62 ms, Floppy****: 97 ms, damn_n00b: 92 ms, N.I.A.: 66 ms,
ShAdoW_PwN: 38 ms, [rA]Mer: 42 ms, [LDC]pino32wn: 83 ms, PiesekDoBicia: 122 ms, DarkSeer: 41 ms

[[DsR]Blade]

Computer: AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 3200+
1.81 GHz, 512 MB of RAM
Connection: 3 Mbit/s / 0.7 Mbit/s (cable internet, DCM)
Location: Croatia, Zagreb

Somebody has to tell me if it is enough. Serbians and couple of Romanians told me that my host is perfect :) However, people have experienced lags and timeouts also. So I don't know...

Edit: When speedtest.net was testing my upload, it got stuck, so I had to print screen :P

[[NDL]eXeCuToR]

CPU:AMD Athlon 2500+ Barthon
RAM:768mb(256x3 on 433Mhz)
VGa:ati 9600 128mb 400Mhz (but i am not sure about 400MhzxD)
CONNECTION:512/512 kb/s
Novi Sad, Serbia

[Ludwiczek]

please write location in posts, now we have host from:

Ludwiczek - Middle EU, PL (POLAND), Kraków
[DsR]Blade - Croatia, Zagreb
z[A]ra_MHalac - Croatia, Split
[_--T]Maska - Croatia
[LOA]Kyree - Romania? city?
risingstar - Romania, city?
[LW]RaShiD - Romania, city?
XFIRE - Romania, Bucharest
[NDL]eXeCuToR - Serbia, Novi Sad



looks like we dominated by RO hosts ;p

[_sMYck_]

Intel 1,4
768 RAM **SD** ahahhah
radeon 9000 128MB

i ´now that this is called "OLD TIMER" xD
but i have few friends with some very nice hardware for some 64bit tech or some **** and i think their comps r slower in some situations .... couse u need to take care of your "OLD TIMER" like i do... lol

who vouch for me???' let me see your hands.....
hehe - "...´couse i got high....parapampampam...."

http://www.speedtest.net/result/182544734.png

:O location: split - croatia
nick: z[A]ra_MHalac

[Ludwiczek]

from 10.09.2007 my net was improved
a bit better speed and pings:

averages pings to location:
(http://www.speedtest.net)

Poland ~40-50ms or less
Hungary ~60ms
Chech ~60ms
Germany ~60ms
Norway ~80ms
Spain ~80ms
Italy ~85ms
Bulgaria 90-100ms
Slovakia ~100ms
Sweden ~100ms
Russian ~110ms
Portugal ~112ms
Ireland ~150ms
USA ~ 150-180ms

....
still ****ty pings in :P :

China ~410ms
Indonesia ~440ms
Pakistan ~580-600ms
Brazil ~600-700ms


ps. sample from game:

countries:
DoingDoing: (RO), miimii: (PL), Skupljac: (HR), SaW-Kyree: (RO), el_tartanero: (CZ), Vertical-G: (RO),
[BoS]ManowaR: (PL), Hoplita: (PL)
losky comes from the Czech Republic (CZ).

pings
DoingDoing: t/o, miimii: 20 ms, Skupljac: t/o, SaW-Kyree: 55 ms, el_tartanero: 63 ms, Vertical-G: 87 ms, [BoS]ManowaR: t/o, Hoplita: 45 ms, losky: 72 ms

Latency:
DoingDoing: 80 ms, miimii: 14 ms, Skupljac: 63 ms, SaW-Kyree: 47 ms,
el_tartanero: 53 ms, Vertical-G: 69 ms, [BoS]ManowaR: 20 ms, Hoplita: 21 ms, losky: 46 ms

[[DsR]Blade]

Y, I have high pings to Brasil, Indonesia etc. too. Some strange and stupid bug.... But, that's life...... full of bugs :)

Somehow, when I look to other computers, I feel that I have the most ****ty one here :P

[Ludwiczek]

just remember....

Warcraft 3 Frozen Throne System Requirements

Recommended:
600 MHz processor or better
256 MB of RAM
32 MB 3D Video card
and
requires a low-latency,
active Internet connection rated at 28.8 Kbps or faster.

but they mean good configured and only
to play war3 only not 100 ****ted progs in background...

but probably real Requirements
to host with no much delay/lag game is about:

1Ghz with 512 mb, grapihics 64MB
with low-latency,connection ~512/256 kb/s


[DsR]Blade
"Some strange and stupid bug"

its not bug its route, condition, bandwitch and distance cummulation
btw to some Mexico net operators i have pings ~200-250ms :D
but to Mecico City, to others Mexico places probably 500-900 ms....

in poor countries with old and low net structure pings grows

look USA sometimes they pings 120-150ms, cose good rich country :P
good technology and networks, when in europe others have 200-300ms....

P.S.

look XFIRE connection... :D :D

but he make 1 mistake... look distance..
probably in 1 LAN or MAN computers

i wish see his connection to more then <50mi ;p
like others EU country...


ps. sample from game:

countries:
DoingDoing: (RO), miimii: (PL), Skupljac: (HR), SaW-Kyree: (RO), el_tartanero: (CZ), Vertical-G: (RO),
[BoS]ManowaR: (PL), Hoplita: (PL)
losky comes from the Czech Republic (CZ).

Latency:
DoingDoing: 80 ms, miimii: 14 ms, Skupljac: 63 ms, SaW-Kyree: 47 ms,
el_tartanero: 53 ms, Vertical-G: 69 ms, [BoS]ManowaR: 20 ms, Hoplita: 21 ms, losky: 46 ms

pings:

DoingDoing: t/o, miimii: 20 ms, Skupljac: t/o, SaW-Kyree: 55 ms, el_tartanero: 63 ms, Vertical-G: 87 ms, [BoS]ManowaR: t/o, Hoplita: 45 ms, losky: 72 ms

[Rorica]

[LW]RaShiD
intel dual core 2 duo at 3.0 ghz
2 gb ddr
asus 8600 768 mb
romania

[Xfire]

For lolo122, what you asked me in PM :

Poland :

http://www.speedtest.net/result/184724055.png (http://www.speedtest.net)

Portugal :

http://www.speedtest.net/result/184724378.png (http://www.speedtest.net)

France :

http://www.speedtest.net/result/184724638.png (http://www.speedtest.net)

Italy :

http://www.speedtest.net/result/184724826.png (http://www.speedtest.net)

Germany :

http://www.speedtest.net/result/184724995.png (http://www.speedtest.net)

[Ludwiczek]

as i thought... your earlier screen is from 1 MAN or LAN :D

i ask you for that cose net in your signature is more then imbalanced ;)

latency ~20-50 is ****in' good and on screen you have 14ms -.-

btw still not bad net :thumbUP:

[Xfire]

I got a good day ;p

[Ludwiczek]

i host stragne game in last night ~2.00 am

my computer bahave stragne but i check all pings/latencies and were good for all players
so i start game...

.... and nightmare was started.. i have mass lags/slideshows... :D
WTF?? noob! host cant have lags! mayby cant have lags/dealy but can have slideshow :laugh:

i angry like hell cose i were first blood as omni (i have tangos have ring have heal, but i see
screen stop some slideshow and i die...) i ask for others lag or dealy on my host, all said NO lag NO delays ^^
wtf so only i as host?? i dont want rmk and quit cose only me lag, i try play carefully and try not to much feed,
and support my team, in mid game i alt+tab and check monitoring net - ok , cpu - ok, RAM - WTF?! ;D overloaded
before host i work with 3D projects in programs wich need HUGE ammount of ram, im only 512mb and when ram
was over system use HDD (swap file) i finish projects but in ram and swap still are no needed data and my hard disk
works paintfuly and noisy and all time busy = slideshow for me.

to fix it i need restart computer to clear memory and swap, but we are in game ;(,
i ask again, no body lags/delay so we contiune play with retarted slidesow host ;D
but we have good heros/players and teamplay so finnaly we win it

Its not funny for me, but its my foult.

remember:
restart computer before hosting game
if you use lots of program wich need ram, (like 3D, video processing or mass image procesiong or sth)

to avoid situation like it

[[DsR]Blade]

I was kidding about that bug, I understand why we don't get good pings on countries like mexico.

I would like to ask a moderator to maybe delete my last 2 posts here, because it's spam, and I want posts here to be productive, and mine aren't :P (except the first one...)

[[TNH]Reiko]

Athlon64 3500+
1.25GB RAM
Radeon x1600 256 RAM

The computer isn't rly the problem, can someone tell me if I can host with this connection? On paper it's suppose to be 1024/256 but for some reason my upload is way below :/
http://www.speedtest.net/result/185803757.png

[Ludwiczek]

lol, serwer ~50 mi and net like in picture?!

its imba bad or more probably - bug or trouble in day when you test
go and try more tests, on more serwers and more countreis, make test
and try repet after few days

[[YY]Kai]

Athlon 64 duel core 3800 +

1gb ddr2 ram

ATI X1950 XT 256 ddr3

Connection : 16 mbit/s
http://www.speedtest.net/result/186274499.png

Location : Hamburg , Germany

[Uberpr0]

http://www.speedtest.net/result/186418605.png (http://www.speedtest.net)
http://www.speedtest.net/result/186420072.png (http://www.speedtest.net)

hosted a test ss game today and i had 2 ro's in my game , 1 of them said he was insanely lagging so we had to remake.

just to confirm it was his own pc's problem since the other romanian said he had no lag whatsoever.
Maybe also due to in-game ping variations but still he was around 110-130 ms
and maybe also due to the time of hosting , more ISP upstream usage

Portugal

8 MB cable


:shh:

[boogi3]

AMD Athlon(tm) 3200+
2.2ghz
1 gb ddr2 ram
radeon 9600 256mb

http://www.speedtest.net/result/186782210.png

location: Croatia,Zagreb

i sometimes host ss games and 2 of 10 ppl complain on lagg mostly ppl from poland.but im good east europe host

[Ludwiczek]

SS hosts locations:
Ludwiczek - Middle EU, PL (POLAND), Kraków
[DsR]Blade - Croatia, Zagreb
[TNH]Reiko - Croatia, Zagreb
boogi3 - Croatia, Zagreb
z[A]ra_MHalac - Croatia, Split
[_--T]Maska - Croatia
[LOA]Kyree - Romania
risingstar - Romania
[LW]RaShiD - Romania
XFIRE - Romania, Bucharest
[NDL]eXeCuToR - Serbia, Novi Sad
[YY]Kai - Germany, Hamburg
Uberpr0 - Portugal

ps
pls delete my previos post about all locations on site 1

[godzillax]

I need to know what else I must send you in order to be put on safe listSony

SONY VAIO AR11S
Intel Core Duo T2500 2 GHz 2 MB L2 Cache, 667 MHz FSB
1024 MB, DDR2 SDRAM, PC4300
NVIDIA Geforce Go 7600GT - 256 MB 12 pixelpipelines, 500 MHz chip clock, 600 MHz memory clock
17.0 Zoll 16:10, 1920x1200 pixel, WUXGA X-Black LCD with double lamp, glossy:
200GB 5400rpm 2x 100GB RAID 0/1

Also my nick is godzillax

Location:Romania,Bucharest

10x

http://www.speedtest.net/result/187521748.png (http://www.speedtest.net)

[Ludwiczek]

i said it many times... please use another serwer not only
<50 mi or go host RO only games..

BTW:
i temporary close ss games and hosting ss cose
my ****in ISP changing net infrastrucure and options
and i have ugly dealeys ~2-5 seconds.... and cant play
or host good games with delay like it, from time to time
i have good connection, imba speeds, but dont want
waste yours important games so to avoid risk i host
pub only, when net fixed and 100% stable i can host ss
again, take care and GL!

[rabx]

VH-Rabbit

US host- 6pm eastern until about 10 pm eastern M-F, almost 10am-10pm over the weekends

http://www.speedtest.net/result/187905697.png (http://www.speedtest.net)

Antec Performance One P180B
CORSAIR CMPSU-620HX ATX12V v2.2 and EPS12V 2.91 620W
MSI P6N SLI Platinum LGA 775
Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe
EVGA 512-P2-N635-AR GeForce 7950GT 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP
mushkin Extreme Performance 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800
1.5 TB HDS

[Ludwiczek]

MEN ARE YOU BLIND???

i said it many times... please use another serwer not only
<50 mi or go host US only games..

choose some EU serwers if you want play with us

[godzillax]

Location:Romania,Bucharest

I just want to host for ROMANIA only games

Let me know if now itz okay

http://www.speedtest.net/result/187521748.png (http://www.speedtest.net)[/QUOTE]

http://www.speedtest.net/result/188420387.png (http://www.speedtest.net)

http://www.speedtest.net/result/188420570.png (http://www.speedtest.net)

http://www.speedtest.net/result/188420848.png (http://www.speedtest.net)

http://www.speedtest.net/result/188421028.png (http://www.speedtest.net)

http://www.speedtest.net/result/188421191.png (http://www.speedtest.net)

[[SyS]-SlayeR]

-AMD Athlon XP 2500+
-1.83GHz
-1 Gb RAM
-ATI Radeon X1550 256mb DDR2
Ro:
http://www.speedtest.net/result/188457069.png (http://www.speedtest.net)

Poland:
http://www.speedtest.net/result/188455726.png (http://www.speedtest.net)

France:
http://www.speedtest.net/result/188459260.png (http://www.speedtest.net)

[FLaMeSeeKeR]

Yeah ... on paper everyone have so good host but in real ...
Im out until ss find some neutral hosts for players from Poland thats all ...
Because now #ss is for Cro .. cya Hf and Very Well.
Pub Hosts >>SS

[Artanthos]

That's a fact. Cro hosts sux for pl, and vice versa.
And there are many pl and cro players so... The problem is, that there are few players, so its hard to find game, so finding game with good host for you is often impossible. ;/

[Ludwiczek]

i hosted many time cro/pl games and all says zero delay :)
but since 2-3 weeks, when ISP "improve" my net connection,
cro and other players says delay :(
Edit by tAy: zero delay - keep dreaming :P

tAy, ok not zero but 12-60ms isnt bad... ;)

[[YY]Kai]

hmm lolo122 is that your gf in the picture ? bcos shes hot ;)

Soz for offtopic

[BimBam]

I've been wondering if List Checker works for eurobattle. If not, could it be possible to code it somehow to make it work.

List Checker would vastly reduce the delay on all hosts and therefore improve the quality of the games.

[Ludwiczek]

can you tell me how listchecker works?
its not magic, poor net cant be imba cose 1 program instaled.
how it works?

[YY]Kai
i wish she is :)

[imaginary]

Moonstar has said a while ago that no it doesnt work for xpam,neither it will..

[LifeDrainer[RO]]

I can host.Only problem that i will have lag on RDS(RO ISP)hosts and viceversa,doesen`t matter how many MB/sec me/they have.Instead of this problem my host works good.The delay is about 2-4 seconds and 70% i/they will be disconected,after many 'waiting for player' or 'waiting for host'.
PC:
AMD Athlon 64 3200+
1GB DDR 400
GeForce 6600 128/128
160 GB Hdd
3mb/sec dl and 512 k/sec upload.*
*www.speedtest.net=>2610 k/sec dl&436 k/sec ul

[risingstar]

okay i'm posting my dl/upload speeds cause ppl asked me what's my upload speed.First in my country and then poland ;)

[teeron]

it looks pretty imba, but if that was true i should have no delay ( even my hero should move b4 i want that :P) any progresss with LS>?>>>?>>>?>?>?

[ARiNN]

Computer:
AMD 3200ghz CPU
1024RAM
Geforce 5200 fx Video board

Location: Romania, Bucharest

http://www.speedtest.net/result/204960784.png

[teeron]

ok sry for that long, but im lazy bjatch

EDIT:2 PC: E2140 Dual Core 3.2Ghz, GA-P35-D3SR, 2x1Gb Geil Ultra :D, Sapphire HD3850 256MB, Seagate 250Gb/sata/16mb and 19" monitor u dont care about :P

http://www.speedtest.net/result/213633874.png (http://www.speedtest.net)
http://www.speedtest.net/result/213643357.png (http://www.speedtest.net)
http://www.speedtest.net/result/213644318.png (http://www.speedtest.net)
http://www.speedtest.net/result/213645035.png (http://www.speedtest.net)

Mb some of u know my host, some say nice, and some say ****, but i've moved last days and i didint check hosting yet.

EDIT: i did check tonight, but already make some changes so hope will be better :]

[Bactuz]

Hi dunno how to post picture

The speed the for Washington DC was:
6439kb/s
794kb/s
145ms
3950miles
So im on the other side of the country :)
<a href="http://www.speedtest.net"><img src="http://www.speedtest.net/result/215533816.png"></a>

Now to speed test in EU
<a href="http://www.speedtest.net"><img src="http://www.speedtest.net/result/215533816.png"></a>
I hope the picture link work

In my paper i have 10mb dl and 1mb ul
Sitting on a configed router, but the oter pc is not online, cause the dog aet the wire :S
Computer system:
3.8Ghz
2.4GB ram
Geforce 6600

I may have problems whit the connection when it snows. Pm me what you like, im often online. Bye

[Ogi.]

Ogi wants to say that this new host bot is so cool and there is no delay at all =]
And Ogi feels so nice after few games played last night at ss which were lagfree : ) Come to playyyyy : )
Sry if spam , couldn`t sustain myself ;]
ss > all ; )

[[YY]Kai]

Yep , when i host on my bot or keny or any1 uses my bot its teh imba except for a very few ;) come and join the fun peeps.

[Artanthos]

tAy loves bots.

People, if you have good upload try to make your own bots, so we can enjoy no delay/lag games all time.

[LifeDrainer[RO]]

tAy loves bots.

People, if you have good upload try to make your own bots, so we can enjoy no delay/lag games all time.

and what means exactly good upload?i have 512 and in at night my bot really works good...on day time sometimes,few users blame some delay or spikes but i dont know if they lie...anyway i will make a ss game with it to see if it works good

[Zion667]

p4 3,0 Ghz
1gb ram
the netherlands

~15500 kb/sec / ~110 kb/sec
western europe (belgium, france, sweden etc) <50ms
eastern europe (poland, romania, czech) <100ms

[Nocawy]

When you play or host games, the neither the upload nor the download have any meaning. I mean it. 256kbps of download is enough for virtually every game! Almost everyone today has download at least 512kbps. The only thing that matters is latency.

Take a look at this article:
It's the Latency, Stupid (http://rescomp.stanford.edu/~cheshire/rants/Latency.html)
It's 10 years old but the facts stated there are still accurate.


One more thing is, that you may checked your latency to various sites like "speedtest.net", and you may always have latency <50ms. But it doesn't mean that you will never have a laggy game, or that nobody will have lag in a game hosted by you!

The latency is not "your latency". It's "between you and the opposite side".

You may have a good ISP and good latency to most people in your country or continent. But there are people in your country, and even in your city, to which you have a crappy 500 ms latency! And it's random. It may be caused for many various reasons, and it can concern totally random people.

I may have ping 50ms to a guy in Argentina (I'm from Poland) and 500ms to my friend who lives next doors!

So, when you have good ping to most people (which means your computer is OK, and your ISP is OK) and then someone says to you: "yOu FkN NoObAs you Has laaag you NoOoBaS!!1", it's not your fault that you have lag. The lag is between you and the guy!

What is more funny, if there are two people connected, the person A and the person B, there might be a huge packet loss from A to B, but almost perfect transfer from B to A. Which mean, when you try to send something from A to B, it fails, or you have 500 ms delay. But when you send something from B to A it goes smoothly, 50ms! And it's not so f'ing rare, it happens, it really happens in the real world!

You can have perfect computer and perfect connection, but there are random people to which you just have lag. There are broken routers, overloaded lines and leaky cables. You leave in Krakow, you play DOTA with your friend in Warsaw (both cities are in Poland) and the connection goes through Poznan, and there might be that very ONE bad cable in Poznan which delays your connection for 500 ms! But then you reconnect, and the connection goes though some different path, maybe through JAPAN and you have no delay! Just perfect transfer from Poland, tough JAPAN and back to Poland.

[dgavril]

Nocawy u're right man... Internet download and upload speed it is not so important. latency between the host and the other players is the most important thing.

hosting with boot (using LainEthLite) all of this is not true anymore.

LifeDrainer[RO] said that he have lag with some ROmanian ISP.
i have it too. and the answer why? ... is u're postreply.

boot solve the problem ... now latency between every player that join's boot's game & eurobnet is important, and even more boot can change latency in game

so ppl .. who want to host do it with LainEthLite. if u lag... so check u're connection. u're ISP suck

[Ludwiczek]

the problem is that bot can set latency_lock but, peered ISP players need hold this value, if host ISP can hold latency 100, but peer cant hold, packets loose and spikes, btw when host can hold 100 latency and peer1 can hold 100 latency BUT trace pass some ISP wich cant hold 100 latency = spikes


setting latency is only TRY to fix problems, it cant easy solve problems

2nd werid problem is some palyers at latency 100 dont have spikes but still.... lil lag.. when others at 150 dont have delay at all..

its werid and not simple to explain :)

and net contidion depend on many situation, you can have stable host with good latency but from time to time (ISP failture, mass overload) nice hosts can sux too

its not 2 computers and 2m cable :) its monster with 1000000000000000000000 werid devices, machines, infrastructure, peoples, and other s h i t s ;p

need be some contest/tests natural host vs bots , but its hard to make , and probably bots easy owns normal hosts...

[LifeDrainer[RO]]

LifeDrainer[RO] said that he have lag with some ROmanian ISP.
i have it too. and the answer why? ... is u're postreply.

i didnt said that i have lag with romanian isp...i said that RO ppl may have some lag or delay on my normal host not my bot host if they have RDS as provider but not always...btw i am RO also.Otherwise it works decent

[Nektor]

Just want to say that I played one game on some bot "boot" and was playing as in LAN. Don't think I ever played an online game that had so little lag.

[complexxL9]

ok.. what is SS :) sorry im new to jargon :)

[complexxL9]

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Noticed that my ISP have laggy connection with few particular ISP

[[YuMa]Ale]

Location:Montenegro.Podgorica
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me good host :D

[Anderkent]

I'll throw in a few words about the latency lock the laithenlite can change, as i think some people confuse it with the real latency from client to host.

The host (in warcraft III ofc) sends 'information' to other players in constant intervals. This is called 'latency lock'. By default, in LAN games the latency lock has a value of 100 ms, and in Bnet games - 250ms. That means that with 'normal' host there will be up to 250 ms delay between your command and your hero acting BY DEFAULT, even if your ping to host is 30 ms or something. The delay is 'up to 250ms' becouse if your 'command' reaches the host just before next 'tick', it'll be executed straight away. But if it reaches the host just AFTER a tick, it'll have to wait to the next one, so you'll notice a 250ms delay.
This also means that as long as your ping (latency) to the host is constantly lower then 250ms, you'll encournter no spikes at all, as there will be no packet loss. Spikes (the moments when your hero is taking multiple steps at once, and everything is happening very fast so that you have no control) happen when your latency to host is so big that you 'skip' a 'tick' - there is no information recieved from you between two ticks (so, in an interval of 250ms in normal bnet game). This is called packet loss. When this happens enough times in a row ( after 1 second of no information from you i think), the host tries to reestablish connection with you, the game is paused and we see the 'countdown'. Not sure how bot deals with it.

That for the basics, now about the bot.
Laithenlite can change the latency lock value. It can be set to from 50 ms to 200ms as far as i remember. This means that you can have less delay then in a LAN game (remember, latency lock is by default set to 100 in LAN games), provided ALL PLAYERS have low enough latency to host. This is a bit more complicated then this, but usually you'd want all players to have lower latency to host then the latency lock value. Which means that if everyone has a ping of ~30-40 to the host, you can set the latency to 50. But if one guy has a ping of 180, if you set the lock to 50, everyone will spike badly, no matter their ping, and if you set it to 150, most ppl probably wont lag but the guy that has high (180) ping - will. You would have to set the latency to at least 180 for a game smooth for everyone. But this means that the gameplay will be a bit more delayish then normal LAN game, but still better then normal Bnet game.

One more thing - your ping to host isnt constant. Even if in lobby host has pinged you / you have pinged host and got good enough result (say 60-100), it may change. It depends on how busy your PC is, how busy the host is, how busy all the computers 'on the way' are too. Also on the type of cables and lots, lots of different stuff. So even if you had low ping but you have spikes, ask the host to up the latency. Just in case ;)

Hope i cleared up a bit,
Anderkent

[Ludwiczek]

looks like proper way of thinking BUT i see games when players with pings 20-50 ms have spikes or delay, when players 100-190ms, no spikes no lags.. on latency 135-150...

so its werid a bit...

ps. about mass d/c by bot its total b u l l s h i t...

i got few d/c (not leavers 100%) and always i whiper them what happen,
usual they got router reset, power off, or other ****

[fntbnu]

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