Heroes selection and heroes comparison [Archive] - Eurobattle.net

imaginary

05-25-2007, 02:55

Ok enough with questions on heroes,u ppl open 627 threads just to talk about a hero or to compare two heroes every week,this cant go on.
Here u are,this is a thread for aaall of u suxzors!

Ask and discuss HERE about:

What hero is best for specific game situations
What hero is best from agi
What hero is best in support
Who is better between two u wanna compare
Who is better between three or four that u wanna compare
What heroes should u pick against casters
What hero should u pick against riki
Blabla
Anythin else related TOO
Whatever u think concernin heroes selection or heroes u wanna compare,POST ABOUT IT HERE!
DONT open new thread about such topics anymore or u will risk havin it closed!
Read here,post here,be clear and dont spam too much.
Allright,go on now..

idura_thunder

05-25-2007, 09:40

The best hero combination is

Magnus, Witch doctor, venomancer, crystal maiden, and enigma.

This is the strategy you use to win EVERY SINGLE PUBLIC GAME.

Magnus run in to enemy team and use reverse polarity to grab all enemy heros and 4 sec stun. While heros are stunned witch doctor cast maledict on them all. Venomancer uses ult AFTER they all have maledict. Crystal maiden uses ult AFTER they all have maledict. BEFORE the stun wears off Enigma use black hole.

After you do this type GG nabs. They will all die from this combo.:music: :music: :tiphat: :tiphat:

straider

05-25-2007, 09:48

EVERY SINGLE PUBLIC GAME.

:thumbUP:
yes that fits

gulpeDEgulat

05-25-2007, 10:44

FOR ME D BEST IS RAZOR, VENGEFUL, DROW RANGER, SVEN, SANDKING,
D BEST COMBINATION....(swap) (stun) (ligthning) (slow) "STR" & "AGI" c0mb0ooooo ! ! ! ...............................^_^

quadro990

05-25-2007, 11:18

Traxex - The Drow Ranger or Bone Clinkz - The Bone Fletcher whic is the better

amirasfa

05-26-2007, 10:20

part one:for GB in one lane with 2 char..the best combination is all stun hero(slardar with VS,sand king with skeleton king or sven with sragon knight)depend on what hero actually.....silencer sould go with axe.because blood thirst with >>>(i dont know the skill that drain life and mana from silencer)tthis could frain life of opponent so much.this make the axe is easier to throw the axe

Aramills

05-26-2007, 16:07

stunners are best...with 1 or 2 good mage with hex are nearly unbeatable

AXS

06-03-2007, 21:38

Yeah right - "says the damage dealer" - Goblin (major damage) and Zeus (cheap spells) can't make anyone mad, even in the hands of a noob (especially the Goblin) - as for stunner's Lion is best in any combination. ;)

.....

06-06-2007, 21:56

roftollen's ulti >>> magnus's ulti :D

nose_killer

06-07-2007, 21:49

straider

06-08-2007, 00:28

Aramills

06-09-2007, 21:52

too hard...best combos are the easier...

quadro990

06-14-2007, 10:55

who is better for you
skeletion king or sven

LoGiStiK

06-14-2007, 11:52

Super Combination:
Terrorblade + Rotund'Jere
Sunder = low hp , reaper's scyte = pwnt!:cool:

imaginary

06-14-2007, 12:56

Super Combination:
Terrorblade + Rotund'Jere
Sunder = low hp , reaper's scyte = pwnt!:cool:
Indeed its spectacular but to spend 2 valuable ulties for one hero(when those 2 ulties can kill 2 heroes instead)..i wouldnt do unless there's need for it,like some very Imba farmed/fed opponent that needs to be taken out fast in the teamgank.

who is better for you
skeletion king or sven
They can be both ImbA if played well and farmed well.
U cant ask who's better,each one of them can be better with the correct items,and depends on the opponents too.

Arcanath

06-14-2007, 18:01

Mirana is the best.Because she fits herself in all situations.
Good nuker against weak heroes in early game,
nice development in mid game if played well.
And a good agi hero in late game.
While she has a mega stun,if used well,she has a long range and decent atsp.
And she can get away from most gangs,and rushes if not killled in a disable time.She can leap herself wisely out of danger.
And an ulti which might save as well as teammates along herself.
Conclusion:Mirana is cool.One of the very least heroes which can be picked first at ap,because not having so much anti-heroes.

LoGiStiK

06-14-2007, 23:35

Indeed its spectacular but to spend 2 valuable ulties for one hero(when those 2 ulties can kill 2 heroes instead)..i wouldnt do unless there's need for it,like some very Imba farmed/fed opponent that needs to be taken out fast in the teamgank.

That's what i'm refering about , it can take out anything , even a mega god if terroblade casts sunder in the right moment ^_^

Another comb , (formed of 3):
- Panda Storm Spirit - Uses ulti to tractor a enemy to him
- Vengefull Spirit - Swap & Stun (tractor back & stun)
- Pudge - Hook & Dismember

I mean u run like hell and they all tractor you back :D

@ss@sinu

06-15-2007, 10:53

That's what i'm refering about , it can take out anything , even a mega god if terroblade casts sunder in the right moment ^_^

Another comb , (formed of 3):
- Panda Storm Spirit - Uses ulti to tractor a enemy to him
- Vengefull Spirit - Swap & Stun (tractor back & stun)
- Pudge - Hook & Dismember

I mean u run like hell and they all tractor you back :D

Nice one !!!

imaginary

06-15-2007, 13:40

Logistik has a vivid imagination,nice =)

straider

06-15-2007, 14:40

amirasfa

06-16-2007, 10:16

lol..u straider always disagree with other people..i donno why...hurmph~~Obsidian destroyer is very imba hero.i try to more concentrate on this hero becoz lot of KENG-chinese word(imba) hero was be revealed by other before.obsidian have nice ulti and first attack skill.forget what its name..hurm...

only bkb can stop that,but it is only for a while.antimage also can counter but this is depend on how u play.if u are pro player,yes,u can win,but for newbie and rookie,im not sure.

and stun hero also can stop the OD from owning but,like i said before,depend on how u play...but VS cant fight with OD becoz,VS sure lose.thats all.

attention:this is opinion

_sMYck_

06-16-2007, 16:25

actually za best combination is this: magnataur(uses ulti to atract enemy),sandking(casts ulti during the 4 s stun of magny),earthshaker(casts ulti),enigma(casts ulti),lich(casts ulti) or techies(magny atracts them in techies's bombs). figure it out by urselves what dmg this combination does.

u all ppl speak about some combos....but in real life the most cw is playing normal mode so.... u suck..... i read some of them and some i played.... not bad but.... worlock, venom, lich, magnus, akasha
this is the dmg im talking about....not some zeus miner **** dmg,,,,,:I

only thing u must do is throw worlocks fatal bounds on 5 heroes and than finish this combo right..... so all heroes recive 20% more dmg from every other friendly hero....IMBA... OWNED

lol..u straider always disagree with other people..i donno why...hurmph~~Obsidian destroyer is very imba hero.i try to more concentrate on this hero becoz lot of KENG-chinese word(imba) hero was be revealed by other before.obsidian have nice ulti and first attack skill.forget what its name..hurm...

only bkb can stop that,but it is only for a while.antimage also can counter but this is depend on how u play.if u are pro player,yes,u can win,but for newbie and rookie,im not sure.

and stun hero also can stop the OD from owning but,like i said before,depend on how u play...but VS cant fight with OD becoz,VS sure lose.thats all.

attention:this is opinion

....and pls dont speak about some ustopablle heroes....yes they are iMBA and some should been ballanced long ago... but whole game depends of first 10lvls.....how u creep, denie, if u r some killer hero(how u gank some creeping hero)...exct....start is the most important

imaginary

06-16-2007, 22:00

whole game depends of first 10lvls.....how u creep, denie, if u r some killer hero(how u gank some creeping hero)...exct....start is the most important
Not really,games can be turned around easily when both teams are good,cause here comes the unique itembuild that experienced players will follow to change the game.
If u make a very good start but dont push to win soon,then enemy team will have many chances to balance the game,and steal the win late.
A good start doesnt mean win,it just gives an advantage.
Even outfarmin someone can be countered by him goin to neutrals if say he cant swap lanes,for ex if u have centaur opponent in ur lane and u manage to deny him so much and harass him so much that he wont even come near creep waves,he can turn to just neutrals(ofc losin his tower yes) with just a couple rings and stout shields plus maxin out return dmg,he will creep for ever until urgently needed to defend and ofc provided that rest of the team wont suck but hold.

bebetinto16

06-17-2007, 02:42

with terrorblade (just for fun) :

Get lothar and dagon.

1. fight roshan till low hit points.
2. find an alone hero
3. ww
4. swap hp and dagon xD
5. write lol.

my english sux, i know.

@ss@sinu

06-17-2007, 13:29

with terrorblade (just for fun) :

Get lothar and dagon.

1. fight roshan till low hit points.
2. find an alone hero
3. ww
4. swap hp and dagon xD
5. write lol.

my english sux, i know.

lothar and dagon is good but ur 2 dependent on them so if theres a silencer or 2 ur ****ed and disabled (presumably)

and the second one almost anyone knows even noobs

amirasfa

06-17-2007, 13:39

yeah..that is true if there is silencer,good terrorblade wont just play dagon only,but also attck in melee type..so just use ur brain when playing,not just using the item.even silencer not hard opponent to terrorblade.

Ryaelin

06-17-2007, 13:44

hmm best imba 5 is:
- magnus (cast him super ulti)
- zeus (cast ulti if magnus stun)
- centaur warchief (next stun :D)
- stealth assasin (cast fog)
- spectre (cast ulti, if someone will escape with low hp)

this 5 can be interrupted by pugna, silencer, etc. but my clan usually did pwned with that heroes ;)

amirasfa

06-17-2007, 14:14

for me i prefer 2 stun hero worl 2gether...it is more powerfull and unstopable.try to think when vs an dk work 2gether..and sandking with anubarak..so hard to fight with them.eventhough there are silencer,he cannot take the melee damage from them..

imaginary

06-17-2007, 15:47

hmm best imba 5 is:
- magnus (cast him super ulti)
- zeus (cast ulti if magnus stun)
- centaur warchief (next stun :D)
- stealth assasin (cast fog)
- spectre (cast ulti, if someone will escape with low hp)
Not sayin that this works but in any case from those u listed,riki cloud should go first or second in order and centaur stun before zeus ulti.

Artificial

06-17-2007, 18:11

MLTHR25

06-17-2007, 18:23

ap mod 4-4 and when every body go mıddle

1....TINY
2....ENIGMA
3....CRISTAL
4....ZEUS

fırst tıny stun. and enıgma ultı & criistal ultı & last zeus ultı

no one escape this strategy gg :)

MrTuti

06-17-2007, 18:57

that's kinda lame.....and it's hard for tiny to stun 4 at once cuz good players woldn't bunch up together.....

and if u play vs pugna or silencer or s hero with silence....your strat is suxor

imaginary

06-17-2007, 22:03

ap mod 4-4 and when every body go mıddle
1....TINY
2....ENIGMA
3....CRISTAL
4....ZEUS
fırst tıny stun. and enıgma ultı & criistal ultı & last zeus ultı
no one escape this strategy gg :)
Not good cause its all dependant on tiny landin a great stun LoL,which doesnt have such a big AOE to cover.
This combo would get raped indeed by silence,as well as by at least one ImbA hero killer.The 3 intel there are complete food for certain heroes -.-
There are better ways to apply such combo than tiny stun,there is magnus ulti,there is tree ulti,shaker ulti+stuns,even enigma ulti first,hmm storm spirit..and probably even more that i forget now

MLTHR25

06-17-2007, 23:56

Not good cause its all dependant on tiny landin a great stun LoL,which doesnt have such a big AOE to cover.
This combo would get raped indeed by silence,as well as by at least one ImbA hero killer.The 3 intel there are complete food for certain heroes -.-
There are better ways to apply such combo than tiny stun,there is magnus ulti,there is tree ulti,shaker ulti+stuns,even enigma ulti first,hmm storm spirit..and probably even more that i forget now

ıf no drow no death propeth no norton ın other teams, strategy wıll be success.

tıny must to drıve by the best tıny user for that. he/she will make correct stun. not problem AOE for the user. when enıgma use ultı. cristal open ultı. tıny contınue to attack. at last when the heroes run to their base whom has a little hp. zeus wıll use ultı. gg :beer:

^_^

06-18-2007, 01:41

a simple and gae combination would be using omni & naix omni's ulti kicks butt!

another 1 would be using shaman&lion or obsidian&trax in the same team

I don't care about teams of 4! Witch doctors curse&laguna blade rox but I wouldn't suggest witch doctor + lion + slayer + chenorpugna.. Playing same tactics make you vulnerable cunning players see through it and with you playing with random ppl on ur team and with some delay (both the connection and their sleepy heads) any aoe tactic can be owned
:thumbUP:

Did you check out dark seer? Some heroes have a hard time chasing other heros: Surge packs a punch! Espacially high dmg heros such as Obsidian destroyer& ursa They rock with surge!

Hint: Use first repel then ulti not the other way around

Aterya

06-18-2007, 02:34

[LOA]Kyree

06-19-2007, 06:18

Nobody choosed omniknight in theyr combo...usually the team with omni wins...usually...

amirasfa

06-20-2007, 10:57

Not good cause its all dependant on tiny landin a great stun LoL,which doesnt have such a big AOE to cover.
This combo would get raped indeed by silence,as well as by at least one ImbA hero killer.The 3 intel there are complete food for certain heroes -.-
There are better ways to apply such combo than tiny stun,there is magnus ulti,there is tree ulti,shaker ulti+stuns,even enigma ulti first,hmm storm spirit..and probably even more that i forget now

hurm..just tokill one people..why should we use untill 4heroes and 3 ulti?is it a big waste?just need 1-2 to kill one people..

[DPFR]Phase

06-20-2007, 18:43

He means stunning more at once so all the ultis can kill 2-3 people or something

amirasfa

06-21-2007, 10:19

im sorry..im multi quote the wrong people..i wan quote the first post..sry

.....

06-22-2007, 18:50

tiny needs magnus's ulti if he wanna hit them all with his 1st spell...
not some enigma n zeus...

amirasfa

06-23-2007, 09:57

...........just buy basher and MOM for tiny..mission to hit..clear...

OMGBergrush

06-23-2007, 13:39

...........just buy basher and MOM for tiny..mission to hit..clear...

why would i want to buy a basher for the slowest attacking hero in to game?

amirasfa

06-23-2007, 13:47

because u already have MOM..just activate it and kill...thats all..easy..

.....

06-23-2007, 15:23

+ assault later :)

Trait

06-23-2007, 16:27

...........just buy basher and MOM for tiny..mission to hit..clear...

No way MoM- only if you wanna die really fast :) Basher? eh.. *laughs like mad* no,it´s a waste of gold,it´s better to get some hp and armor.
On topic: Two man combo: any heavy disabler+dmg dealer, for example Rhasta+PA , Lion+Troll..

amirasfa

06-24-2007, 08:18

.....yeah..whutever u want to say..but inever lose with that item..maybe u want me to show u how that thing really "works" wih tiny huh? ^^

OMGBergrush

06-24-2007, 14:02

maybe u want me to show u how that thing really "works" wih tiny huh? ^^

sniff sniff...hmmm...whats that smell? it smells like...A CHALLENGE!!

imaginary

06-24-2007, 14:07

LoL,Berg almost lives for that ;D
:D

quadro990

06-24-2007, 18:20

in 1v1 game who will win balanar or banehallow plsss help

topaz85

06-24-2007, 18:31

thats a hard one both are runners
balanar overall the game is very fast (at night and while on his ulti, which makes like 3/5 of game time)
wolfie on the other hand is very fast on wolf form (ulti) for a certain ammount of time, and all over the time has little bit faster movement/attack speed than any other common hero.
Then again comes attack speed balanar at night which is kinda wicked, though
wolfie isnt alone on fights he has his wolves by his side so lets say its equal in that matter.

But If balanar would like can fear wolf so he wont summon, ulti or roar + miss chance increase
But when wolfie catches balanar during the day, well its quite easy to say what would happen next...

I would say the beggining of the game first 5-20 min. of it will tell what will happen and how its gonna end.

I would place my bets on balanar though both heroes have equal (or almost equal) chances.

Trait

06-24-2007, 18:43

.....yeah..whutever u want to say..but inever lose with that item..maybe u want me to show u how that thing really "works" wih tiny huh? ^^

well I don´t play 1v1s but I can do exception ´coz Tiny rocks :) but I´m from Czech Republic,which is pretty far from Jerusalem :D so the delay would be terrific for you I guess. I can host, so if you live closer, or if you have another way to solve this problem, pm me your nick and we arrange smth.
P.S. I don´t play on ggc or North, only here.

OMGBergrush

06-24-2007, 21:06

why not get a neutral greek host like imaginary?

Trait

06-24-2007, 21:36

Hmm I´ve never played on greek host but I guess it´s gonna be fine with me. Just waitin´for amirasfa´s opinion.

Okay,I can play on Monday afternoon,Tuesday afternoon,probably Thursday afternoon. After that,school ends and I dunno where I´ll be :) and also we gotta count the time difference. gamemode will be -apomnpmm?

Edit2: Yeah,my nick is same. But who will host? I don´t remember you hosting in any replay or am I wrong?

imaginary

06-24-2007, 23:30

Indeed i would be kinda in the middle for both of u,in distance xD
Can try,so arrange it here and we'll meet on server,just choose day/time im free from exams so can observe/ref any game..

EDIT: Trait fine with me,just amirasfa should post now,his nick and day/time availability.
U got same nick on server? Trait? Or no? Post it so i can find u xD

Time difference we have just one hour,i am ahead of u one hour.With Israel i have same time,so u have one hour difference with him too.We're good.
Mode ye this could be played

I can host for 1 vs 1 game

Fleming

06-25-2007, 16:17

in 1v1 game who will win balanar or banehallow plsss help
dragon knight can own'em both

[addict][46]

06-25-2007, 16:57

i think amirasfa is from asia.

vaikiss

06-26-2007, 02:03

in 1v1 game who will win balanar or banehallow plsss help

balanar i think couse he got silence and bane without skills= piece of sh1t

amirasfa

06-26-2007, 15:41

yeah..im from asia.but i also waiting for u my dear traits.... my nick is AzureSky...just try to pm if i dun play RYL2-incomplete union..

i think banehollow becoz he ca harras the balanar from farming with the "dog" he have..haha

haha..omgbergrush always want to try new challenger haha..thats is what we call fighting spirit..haha

amirasfa

06-26-2007, 15:52

i cant play euro server rite now and i hope u dont have any hessitate to challenge me in official server..try me in lordaeron and my nick is Keroro..i always join lordaeron because there is no euro server in this cyer cafe.thanks alot traits..i always join in saturday and sunday.from 10am-10pm(Malaysia time-i hope u not sleeping in this time^^)

Trait

06-26-2007, 16:06

Damn. I don´t have acc on B-net =,= and I´m not sure if I want to buy it ´coz of one duel :D and if you´re from Malaysia... It´s far :O . Anyway,if you can and noone from the café staff is looking just patch the W3 to eurobattle.net :) I´ll add you nick and we´ll see.

imaginary

06-26-2007, 16:17

LoL helpless duel afterall..

LoGiStiK

06-27-2007, 00:51

Rhasta + Prophet + Pit lord = NO WAY TO ESCAPE!

K....we go like this!
Rhasta uses Snakes arround him first ... that means about 3 seconds and alot of dmg (3 seconds are because he can break 2 snakes and escape) , then prophet uses trees (+4 seconds) , then pit lord with pit of malice (another +4 seconds) , rhasta hexes him (another +4 seconds) , then uses shackles (+6 seconds or whatever) , after this , the prophet's tree cooldown may be finished and here we go again :D

Aramills

06-27-2007, 02:12

lol...anymore??

just a Omniknight with magic barrier+vanguard+tango and he can escape easily from this ...with tango eat 1 tree(he can use a Dagger too..)

.....

06-27-2007, 10:36

he cant esc hex or shackles...

MrTuti

06-27-2007, 12:31

so u have 3 heroes ganking 1....and the rest of that guy's team is doing what?...wanking in the woods...comon....3v1 combos are lame especialy in real dota games....not in pubes where players don't give a ****

Aramills

06-27-2007, 13:09

he can escape if omniknight uses his barrier

Aramills

06-27-2007, 13:10

before ofc

amirasfa

06-27-2007, 13:50

....naaa..why should u buy?is it free when u already have genuine wc3?

GranDWidoW

07-13-2007, 22:11

traxex-dazzle-omniknight-crixalis and shadow fiend(or whatever u want) team is the best for me.

crix=dmg dealer
trax=slows enemies
dazzle=healer
omni=slows enemies, can use heal if he want and has cool ulti :)
shadow fiend=teamm8s will deal cool dmg with shadow. if shadow makes desolator, shadow will be dmg dealer

Polladura

07-13-2007, 22:43

ortaam

07-13-2007, 22:57

abı su sorun ne ya zırt pırt gıdıo battle yardımcı olursan sewnırım:tiphat:

ortaam

07-13-2007, 22:59

sorun en bı bılgı nwarmı acaba

MLTHR25

07-13-2007, 23:33

abı su sorun ne ya zırt pırt gıdıo battle yardımcı olursan sewnırım:tiphat:

in english pls not turkısh. server have some problem.

http://www.eurobattle.net/showthread.php?p=583414#post583414

it will work dont worry.

and write correct where pls. (Technical Support)

Igis

07-14-2007, 00:03

Best combo of ulti's: Harbinger, Enigma, Tauren, Lich, Rylai. Just harbinger's ulti can kill all of them or leave them with low HP if he has 3-4 mystic staffs or aghanims. That combined with enigma should massacre the entire opposition.

IsAk-Njutn

07-14-2007, 00:08

well...question is which items 2 make and what 2 do against this combination ....
magnus , wich doctor , enigma , treant protector and lich ( scourge )

:cool:
this combination against :

drow ranger , troll , viasge , razor and stigwir...(sentinel)

and by the way all in team scourge have refresher...pfff...
do u think it is inposible....?....

Asphyrgos

07-16-2007, 13:05

hmmm i think earthshaker and tiny :D

LordMysterio

07-16-2007, 13:35

Best combo is-
1-pick Techies and Tiny
2-trow tiny in the midle of your oponents and techies do the rest
3-tiny dmg them with trow and techies finish them.
4-lots of fun ( i did it with a friend works perfectly ):D

Asphyrgos

07-16-2007, 14:04

U mean throw techies and he kamikaze.
I tried it too but we didnt make it. :/

epikiko

07-16-2007, 19:46

nice combo try it : FURION , CRYSTAL , PUGNA , bane elementar , VOID

LordMysterio

07-16-2007, 20:04

nice combo try it : FURION , CRYSTAL , PUGNA , bane elementar , VOID

to many heroes and because of that it wil not work!
the best combos are the easyeast like 2 or 3 ....to many and it wil be dificult to match all ur ultimate spels or other spels.
In the game u dont have the time to do all u say in this post because ur oponent does not w8 for u to kil them so the easyeast combos are the best :D That's my opinion of course !

_sMYck_

07-16-2007, 20:39

lothar and dagon is good but ur 2 dependent on them so if theres a silencer or 2 ur ****ed and disabled (presumably)

and the second one almost anyone knows even noobs

lawl....wtf r u talking about...how can some1 silence me if he doesn´t now im in ww near him ( except if he has MH )...and still if i swap life i will be silenced if he has passive; or he throws ulti but i can still use dagon from inventory...lawal:thumbUP: to goood to be true...u can kill some1 with terorblade easy but still...if u get hand with him and going to build some fighter u will be more usefull in late game......dagon SUX.....cccc.... once i maded dagon lvl5 with silencer, puted it into bird carrier with arcane ring, hex....i stealed about 10 kills in 20 mins...still using global silence in combats, and birds IMBA protection spell.... kekeke :clap:

epikiko

07-16-2007, 20:54

to many heroes and because of that it wil not work!
the best combos are the easyeast like 2 or 3 ....to many and it wil be dificult to match all ur ultimate spels or other spels.
In the game u dont have the time to do all u say in this post because ur oponent does not w8 for u to kil them so the easyeast combos are the best :D That's my opinion of course !

i am agree

[nlp]eXeCuToR

07-16-2007, 21:34

me 2:D

Silverburgh

07-17-2007, 01:32

For gang harbringer & rhasta are really good.

Rocksteady

07-17-2007, 10:20

what items and hero u suggest to take out the enemy's fountain? :D If it is possible.

LordMysterio

07-17-2007, 10:24

Asphyrgos

07-17-2007, 11:30

heroes with high dmg or life steal like naix with satanic, heart, divine rapier, treads(lol), butterfly and another dmg item maibe mkb

max_serbia

07-19-2007, 15:20

i dont think its more about the heroes like about the items u put on those heroes! if u wana destroy there fountain u mult have very good hp to rezist the fountains ataks...hmmm at heroes i sugest some tanks Centaur ,Ursa ,Leviatan etc.

Only naix and sniper, can destroy fountain... I got replay where i destrotyed enemys fountain with naix, but for ver 1.20e... I didnt try it with sniper, but i think it can, coz fountain cant hurt u coz range... The easyiest way to destroyet with naix is 5 divines and butterfly :D But it is a lot of cache...
So i think i destroyed it with 2 or 3 divines and 2-3 plate mails, and butterfly...
With 3 divines and 2 plates, i think u can easly destroy it, but with 2 divines, and 3 plates i am not 100% sure... In that game, i destroyed fountain, get my enemies on half hps, and they couldnt heal :laugh: :laugh:
Bye Bye !

Artificial

07-20-2007, 13:33

didnt try it with sniper, but i think it can, coz fountain cant hurt u coz range...
no
it was something like, sniper = 770, fountain = 800

IsAk-Njutn

07-20-2007, 15:25

tiny and goblin...hmm...
the sentinel wont just look their dead...what if they all make avatars...pff...
i think this combination is the most best ....

but i was asking u all the time what 2 do with the combination which i putt in scourge.. pfff..
i think scourge can just quit...

OMGBergrush

07-20-2007, 17:10

avatar or bkb doesnt work on suicide or land mines as they deal physical dmg. so all you have to do is beef up your hp a bit and most importantly improve your armor

Ryder-

07-22-2007, 17:34

Nevermore - DPS and his Ult.
Treant - Support + Entangling Roots
Enigma - More Support + Black Hole
Sand King - DPS too, and his wonderful ult.
Isn't the best tatic, but works quite well.

Markenstein

08-02-2007, 23:27

traxex - freeze arrows, aura
razor - aura, chainlighting

VengefulSpammer

08-03-2007, 22:07

as far as i know razor doesnt have any aura....

[MdE]ThundeR

08-04-2007, 01:34

third spell?
its aura all right , but im not sure with this combo
2 agilts
not sure

amirasfa

08-09-2007, 11:11

zzzzzzzzzzzzz....i think she want to said about the lightning..so hard to guess huh?

way_cell

08-10-2007, 00:38

I think god's strenght with magnataur, unstopple partners.....!!!

OMGBergrush

08-10-2007, 12:27

I think god's strenght with magnataur, unstopple partners.....!!!

can you say purge?

VengefulSpammer

08-10-2007, 13:07

i didnt know that magnus has gods strength

[_Hss_]Blood

08-10-2007, 23:06

I need to know if someone else here knows the hero invoker? i loved play with him...
but icefrog took him of the map and never put him back...
= (

plss lets make invoker and old silencer come back to dota all stars!

Artificial

08-10-2007, 23:41

i didnt know that magnus has gods strength
he means magna use empower on sven..

spidermind

08-14-2007, 22:31

I think any combination of 5 heroes can rull in a game if they are controlled right and there some more team work . For a fast ownage chose intel heroes like Lina, Crystal Maiden, Lich..etc :D

-Riki-

08-18-2007, 05:36

Goblin tech, Tiny, Vspirit and Magnataur,
the perfact teamwork.
tactics:
1> Tiny throw goblin to sucide.
2> Vspirit swap and Magnatuar ulty.
3> Vspirit and Magnatuar % Vlad offering, increase dmg for Tiny.
4> push together = 4 stunners >\> 2 tanks & 2 rangers >\> 3 nukers = GG.

amirasfa

08-19-2007, 13:19

naaaaa......so the conclusion goblin can work with anyone coz he is kser..thats all

DotA-ap5v5blon

08-19-2007, 13:30

if ya wanna to use techiess and venge let techies put some land mines and venge swap enemies into the mines

amirasfa

08-19-2007, 16:08

that trick is kinda ok..but is it kinda complicated?how bout just Gb to kill a hero and suicide to settle few hero while other will finishing the last?which more easier?

DotA-ap5v5blon

08-19-2007, 16:21

whats gb

amirasfa

08-19-2007, 16:23

asian=gang bang european=gank bang????..i dont know what should i type..but we call it gang bang...or gambang..zzzzzzzzz..no perfect spell for it i think

-Riki-

08-19-2007, 16:30

naaaaa......so the conclusion goblin can work with anyone coz he is kser..thats all

kser lol?
he is more supporter then killer, the mines usualy just dmg the enemy.. so as the wards,
goblin don't even get exp from suciding, so he will not do that for fun.
and about the stuns >> can u find a better supporter?

goblin is great for pushing, and with this specialy team he works great,
already tryed :)

amirasfa

08-19-2007, 16:40

i dont think he is suppoter than killer..coz i play techies and survey few of gameplay of player here,most of them can get godlike easily with teachies and triple kill without prob.

eventhough some of u take it as supporter,but we play here as killer..teachies for suicide type,dagon lvl5 ,blink dagger--sure die and put ward on most of the places...that is teachies..more than supporter..

-Riki-

08-19-2007, 16:45

stop playing with "begginers only"
triple kills?
ffs... they didn't hear about wards or gem??

amirasfa

08-19-2007, 16:52

hahaha..ward..ok..if u said about ward and gem..are u so stupid to let the enemy to wear gem?ofc u not rite?so ask ur team to kill him.zzzzzzzzzz..u cant settle that problem easily?

-Riki-

08-19-2007, 17:26

I'll not even answar that, poor man. >Out of topic<

amirasfa

08-20-2007, 09:04

me too-out~~~-hehe

[YY]Kai

08-20-2007, 19:03

Imba hero killing Combo is Ursa and Naga siren ...naga uses net and ursa just owns.or Omniknight and pudge ... omni repels pudge and pudge can mass rot and cant get stuned while using his ulti.

Infact evry hero in this map is usefull in its own way if u can play them :P

[YY]Kai

08-20-2007, 19:08

can you say purge?

if there was madusa she would be stuned...so she cant use purge

Hell-T

08-20-2007, 19:12

Kai;605119']if there was madusa she would be stuned...so she cant use purge

Who is madusa? OMG another new hero?!?!

amirasfa

08-23-2007, 11:57

zzzzz.....this is error in typing only?is it something really big?MEDUSA!!now u get it KID?

DotA-ap5v5blon

08-23-2007, 12:43

does basher work on illusions
if does, it wood be imbalanced to get basher with pl or slithice....

Hell-T

08-23-2007, 13:31

if ya wanna to use techiess and venge let techies put some land mines and venge swap enemies into the mines

It's better if techies puts land mines and pudge hooks someone in all the mines :D

amirasfa

08-23-2007, 15:31

does basher work on illusions
if does, it wood be imbalanced to get basher with pl or slithice....

naa...basher has no effect on illusion

TheTaintedEden

08-26-2007, 11:38

LOL sven much better than leoric xia. with god strength startin u dun need attk items, juz pump str items (satanic or SnY). but leoric need attk stuff so not tat gd

tygrych

08-26-2007, 23:14

but leorc is more useful in a team - lifesteal allows your team to push a lot better :)

DotA-ap5v5blon

08-26-2007, 23:29

oh dude :):) lifesteal is for surviving not for pushing :):):):):):):)

meabbics

08-31-2007, 18:39

oh dude :):) lifesteal is for surviving not for pushing :):):):):):):)

think twice..

rikuz

08-31-2007, 20:03

i thought should be pushing since in the last game it will be dominating if it farm well in the beginning

Fleming

09-03-2007, 15:46

Traxex - The Drow Ranger or Bone Clinkz - The Bone Fletcher whic is the better
hmm ... tough question ... aura gives traxex the damage that bone gets from his arrow and traxex has a nice slow ... and a silence which grants u a very possible kill ... and bone has death pact, which gives him reasonable hp, an attack speed booster skill, and a wind walk that u can backstab any hero ..... but a common con of both is, they are the main killing target of any enemy hero ... by da way, bone can combine his arrow with eye of skadi but trax can not combine her arrow with any orb ... so, my choice is trax ... cos she is sexier :D:D:D
well...question is which items 2 make and what 2 do against this combination ....
magnus , wich doctor , enigma , treant protector and lich ( scourge )

:cool:
this combination against :

drow ranger , troll , viasge , razor and stigwir...(sentinel)

and by the way all in team scourge have refresher...pfff...
do u think it is inposible....?....

sentinel can get a big kick on their assets

TBK.Goldy

10-14-2007, 11:36

Ok, only pros should answe this...

What is the best counter vs; Balanar, Luna and Enchantress? (not all together, 1v1)

I mean, what hero you have to pick and how to play to own them?

RockNation

10-14-2007, 11:40

Versus Balanar => Lycan.

Versus Lina => Bone, Lion, Rhasta, Lina, Sniper, Riki (but he wouldn't lvl up very good) any hero with BKB on him.

Versus Enchantress => Bone, Sniper, Razor. Many.

-eXtasY-

10-14-2007, 14:35

Against balanar my first pick would be viper, ofcourse with stats and slow.... He will not be able to kill you early game because of your ulty , if he runs on you he'll get killed. You will outfarm him and win the game. Narubian would be great pick also, i think i dont have to explain that. Then davion, kentaur...Void can be good pick also but on start it might be hard.
Enchantress - Well because of her ulty i wouldnt pick high ats heroes, you should more focus how to kill her in few sec so she cannot counter you with heal. Heroes hmmm Lina, Lion, bane with necro ,maybe nevermore

Against lina- No way to pick low hp heroes , you must counter her early game , later your life will be easyer. The pick nmb one is Narubian assassin for sure. You can pick many other heroes buy the key is to make hp boost and hood at start then outfarm lina (she has very bad at animation). Storm can be good choise because of anti magic shield, medusa is good also. My pick would be viper, maybe its not the best choise but in good hends lina would be totaly owned (ofcourse get third spell early and make hood).
Hope i helped

[addict][46]

10-15-2007, 23:59

wut about abadon n naix best opponet?

FLaMeSeeKeR

10-16-2007, 03:12

[46];646098']wut about naix best opponet?
In my opinion best counter vs N'aix are : Sniper, Bane Elemental and Juggernaut(because they can cast spells ... when N'aix in on avatar
Fat N'aix >>ALL :happy1:

imaginary

10-16-2007, 13:15

I wont say which heroes exactly,i will only say best counter is harass naix and dont let him farm even when he turns to neutrals,ofc if possible.
If u dont stop him early on a good naix will find his way up into dominatin or at least causin serious problems in late game, so ur best bet is that,early game,stop his farmin,kill him few times,contain him and try not to prolongue the game.
For abbadon u can choose casters spammin him whenever he puts shield on,especially with long range spells for example a shaker with arcane wont have problem spammin stuns on abba, and in order to kill him best,u have Axe,or u can have a couple combo stuns-disables,for example even a hex can be enough.

VengefulSpammer

10-17-2007, 07:08

the guy asked for the best lunas enemies, not linas

[_--T]Maska

11-05-2007, 07:51

every hero can opose other easy or the hard way , depends of game itself and how are your farming skills. Depends on the stage of game (early mid late), for example:
Farmed void vs farmed luna, wont happen^^
Early game Lucifer vs early game luna, a-a nish-nish^^
Every hero can be hexed so luna ofc too, only Bkb prevents it for short amount of time. So to end this discusion would like to mention again. Its about the player and his farming abilites and build ofc.

-Phenom-

11-19-2007, 23:58

best against luna i think meepo..
meepo with meka and vladimir can survive lunas ulti i think..
but if meepo meet shaker then hope shaker is run out of mana :P

jekaa

11-21-2007, 16:52

lol

EscapeTheFate

11-21-2007, 22:40

Versus Balanar => Lycan.

Versus Lina => Bone, Lion, Rhasta, Lina, Sniper, Riki (but he wouldn't lvl up very good) any hero with BKB on him.

Versus Enchantress => Bone, Sniper, Razor. Many.

Agains Enchantress is total crap what u picked . Spells man , spells counter enchantres , 90 % speed reduction ulti is a lot, best choice is lina -> mass spell dmg for like 3 sec , enchantress cant use wisps to heal. I dont know why u picked bone or razor , enchantress eats heroes like razor , bone or drow like candy early game

perito

11-28-2007, 14:47

Who is good 1v1 Vs Naga Siren?
I mean who can, kill her images and avoid her critical hit and net and avoid her sleeping spell?
Please help...

-eXtasY-

11-28-2007, 15:10

tauren, magnus, leviatan,sven ;)

p.s. moved to proter thread

perito

11-28-2007, 19:59

could u explain why how can each hero kill naga?
so both heros are at level 16
what can tauren. magnus, leviatan, and sven do to kill naga?

for example, lets say sven vs naga

sven ultis and attacks, naga creats images and attacks, with critical hit and good items, 4 heros are now hitting sven who might be hitting an image ?
then either of 2 things can happen:
1) sven is winning, so naga ultis and sven sleeps, so naga runs away alive.
2) naga is winning, so when sven tries to escape, naga nets and kills

how can these heros kill naga?

-eXtasY-

11-28-2007, 20:19

tauren shouldnt be explained much, his ulty is the most effective spell against mass units/illusions , it will clear all images. then two stun spells, more then enough. (Im not talking about 1v1 dota , im talking about situations you can expect in 5v5)

Sven has great dmg with his ulty, good armour/hp, just as very good illusions counter - Cleaving Attack, after 2,3 hits you will know who is real hero without problems (the one with most hp)

Magnus same story, just add imba aoe ulty , after few hits during stun all images will be dead. Also very good hp

Levi allmost same as magnus... And kraken more then easy removes sleep ..

And about her ulty, if you play more competative games you will notice that sleep is not used as defencive spell to save yourself, its used for pushes (destory tower/rax while sleeped) or in team battles to protect whole team if you are losing. Its very stuped to use it 1v1 . Anyway linken blocks sleep. And about her escape, dont forget dota is team game, there are team mates who will help you with slows, desables etc, you cannot expect ultimate hero...

p.s. ive forgot one more imba counter for naga - Axe , with his helix he'll just own nagas illusions, very fast u'll be able to see real hero and focus him (the one with most hp), and finish it with your ulty. Call helps alot becaseu of 20 armour boost which will protect your a lot till you get rid of illusions

perito

12-16-2007, 00:05

OMG, i was just playing agianst luna (1v1) game, me balanar vs luna.
She f**ked me!!! it was godlike and i cant do anything.

everytime, i put the slow on her she runs away, i follow, then she ultis and i die....

Question: Who can kill luna 1v1?????
Who can stop her ulti?

and one more question, in a 2v2 game, if u opponent chose Luna and Cenature Warchief, which are the best heros agianst them....

thank you

OMGBergrush

12-16-2007, 01:47

make hood of defiance its 2300 gold and you will absorb 50% of spell dmg as well as swiftly regenerate the hp that was lost

Herr

12-16-2007, 02:16

-eXtasY-

12-16-2007, 03:23

I hope that u didnt forget about fear with balanar, it gives nice silence at night ;)

p.s. moved to proper thread

perito

12-16-2007, 12:41

one more thing, who is the best hero 1v1 agianst Centaure Warchief?

-eXtasY-

12-16-2007, 14:14

If you are talking about fat 4k hp centaur in 1v1, naix would do great gob. In team battles necro is just great counter, pulse by enigma third spell by zeus (forgot its name). Just dont forget that tanks are last target in team battles, allways focus desablers and high dmgers

perito

12-16-2007, 22:45

Rocksteady

12-17-2007, 00:13

I played once against void who at the end had divine and we had 4 carriers on our team, no disablers or nukers... he raped us. What do u suggest in situations like that? Ohh he also had 2 aegis and buriza dealing 1200 crit.

-toXic-

12-17-2007, 00:51

point is what u had??if u feed the guy from beginning ofc he will own yaa.

imaginary

12-17-2007, 02:37

is faceless void good vs luna 1v1???

and what about Necrolyte? is his ulti good on high HP heros like centaur and leoric?
what are the best heros that Necrolyte can easily kill? when should i choose Necrolyte?
Faceless void vs luna..as long as u have skill in farmin, cause it will be hard against her, and as long as u can avoid some ulties of hers especially early on when u ultyin first wont make any difference, u can have a chance later on.
Necrolyte ofc is good against high HP heroes, his ulti works the same no matter if the opponent is too high HP hero or normal HP hero. U will kill him if he gets to about half of his overall HP (more or less depends on if u will have aghanims or not).
Heroes that Necrolyte can easily kill are pretty much all early on if u go dagon build like i do (if u can farm good enough to have it too early), u just kill with pulse+dagon+ulti. Its fun, insta or almost insta 3 clicks-kill. He can still be strong later in the game because of the ulti and his passive spell. Anyway, u would better play Necrolyte against low-normal HP heroes, some who u will be able to drop down easy to use ur ulti good.
I played once against void who at the end had divine and we had 4 carriers on our team, no disablers or nukers... he raped us. What do u suggest in situations like that? Ohh he also had 2 aegis and buriza dealing 1200 crit.
No matter that u also had only carry heroes, one should have gone hex (guinsoo). In any case though, its not normal to have a team of 4 carry heroes and another team with only 1, yet that 1 will manage make divine..u cant let him go that far to start with..lookin for solutions to stop him when its done is really hard.

perito

12-17-2007, 16:07

imaginary

12-18-2007, 02:33

thx
what heros (other than naix) are good agianst high HP heros? (if u are playing 1v1 and ur oponent chose Centaure Warchief, who would u choose?)
what heros are good agianst stunners like bara and viod?
what heros are good agianst blood seeker?
what heros are good agianst balanar?
To such questions answers can only be kinda general -.-
Anyway, lets see,
Against high HP heroes 1v1..well, choose accordingly high HP hero (and build him accordingly), for example Leviathan, Dragon knight, Magna, should do good against Centaur.
Against ultra stunners(bashers, u actually ask about) u can go disablers, a melee hero with high bash chance cant harm u if he cant reach u at all or if he cant reach u in time to kill u. So, pick a hero with stuns, disables, or make guinsoo. Try to win early as well, or have another strong bash hero to make it even.
Against bloodseeker, well, basically depends on how u react to his spells. U can counter him havin a hero with high HP/HP regen, or return dmg, or lifesteal. And same as before, handle him with disables. A bloodseeker doesnt grow much in HP so when targeted and disabled is not so hard to kill. He can silence one, ulti another, but he can always be killed.
Against balanar, heroes with superior strength or high dmg/att.speed + lifesteal wont mind him much, unless he's too over-farmed/fed. If u take good care of bala durin the first night, not feed him, u can keep him low. Gank throughout the day and as much as u can before he takes ulti, to control him.

perito

12-18-2007, 11:18

"And same as before, handle him with disables."

can u explain that more?

imaginary

12-18-2007, 14:43

Disable = a spell that keeps u off from participatin in battle, unable to cast, unable to attack, or unable to move. Ofc more of these conditions can apply at the same time.
Example of best disable u build, is guinsoo. Euls too, before it.
Other disables are natural hero ability disables, for example rhasta has 2 shackles and voodoo, maiden has frostbite, naga has net, etc.
A good way to handle a natural hero killer(like bloodseeker in ur case askin) is by disablin him, makin him unable to attack/cast for short time, enough to dmg him bad or kill him first.

perito

12-21-2007, 12:50

what heros are good agianst naix?

is silencer good VS Luna?
is traxexx good VS Luna?

imaginary

12-21-2007, 14:45

Against naix? Since he has been completely re-worked imo naix isnt such a big threat anymore, he is easy to outfarm if ur a ranged spellcaster (or ogre - zombie as well), he is controllable if u are melee too, since they made him "normal" str hero, he is countered by most other str characters or high dps heroes, ranged or not (2 fast examples dragon knight or razor).

Silencer and trax both have silence, that may help but it wont stop luna from castin ulti eventually. Normally, taken without items, they're not much good against luna. But a silencer with guinsoo will be able to pwn luna, same as a trax with butter, crit, and at least a hood with some hp.

perito

12-24-2007, 12:17

if u were playing 1v1 Naga VS Huskar and you were naga... what items would u buy and what strategy will u follow to win?

imaginary

12-24-2007, 13:28

Push some, refresher and backdoor him
Jokin

Go the normal ones, diffusal-manta, or S & Y, anyway build some hp boost and dmg like radi, together with ur images u shouldnt have prob mid game and on. Just hold early.

perito

01-03-2008, 13:47

who's good agianst Axe 1v1?

NuriAlcoTr

01-03-2008, 17:11

in 1v1 your enemy is viper that he goes hod&butter rush in game after tarask what hero would u pick and what strategy u will try on?

VengefulSpammer

01-05-2008, 16:13

if enemys viper gets hood he is a noob.
against axe ursa ftw

Montel

01-06-2008, 09:24

Don't forget yurnero.Maybe not a good team hero , but in pro hands ; he'll go hell..

Lazreal

01-06-2008, 11:09

LightNosgoth

01-07-2008, 17:38

A good hero strategy whould be Obsydian, Zeus, Omni, Prophet and last Riki
Why? Simple, with great mana Obsydian pawns any char only those with hp 2000+ , Zeus spamming with arcane his spell's and ulti more powerful with aga, Omni heals :D and Furion his ultimate wich always hits 2-3 heros i say it whould be a very good team

perito

01-12-2008, 23:19

What are the most heros Geomercer (meepo) can easily kill?
I.E: When to choose meepo?

imaginary

01-13-2008, 00:38

Against heroes who dont have mass AOE spells, ulties in particular.

perito

01-13-2008, 11:08

example?

imaginary

01-13-2008, 15:49

Example..-_-
Heroes that rape meepo are Earthshaker, Lich, Sandking, who else aff
Axe can too, Lina and Lion up to some point..
Meepo can kill easy individual heroes that have no major nukes or mass nukes, like when he surrounds a Drow, Razor, Ogre, Bloodseeker, Enchantress, etc.
Choose meepo in a game preferably with no mass AOE dmg ulties opponents, no shaker no lich..such.

j3_zeu

02-20-2008, 13:16

nice game combos i seen : pudge and techies
pudge and purist
pudge and rashta
tinker and elzalor
enigma, purist, treant, magnataur and zeus... probably the ultimate team if there is cooperation

perito

02-27-2008, 16:44

whats a good hero to kill razor 1v1?
whats a good hero to kill veno 1v1?
whats a good hero to kill weaver 1v1?
whats a good hero to kill Nevermore 1v1?

thx

Stin

03-02-2008, 08:18

To kill razor : enchantres,rex and anyone whit good spell dmg(lina lion etc)
To kill veno : enchantres,pitlord,centaur
To kill weaver : enchantres,rex, razor, sladar,stygir
To kill never : lina, lion, rashta, sand king
Now I have a question : Enchantres whith hood, can any hero kill her? (in 1v1 game)

Dahaka

03-02-2008, 19:19

One of the best combinations is Magnus's ulty and Chain frost :)

TILT-CTBA

03-17-2008, 19:02

whats a good hero to kill razor 1v1?
whats a good hero to kill veno 1v1?
whats a good hero to kill weaver 1v1?
whats a good hero to kill Nevermore 1v1?

thx

centaur ownage all

-eXtasY-

03-19-2008, 21:10

Viper > Razor
Viper > Veno
Weaver can be easly owned with mass heroes , but lets say lina
Viper > Nevermore

Ofcourse i guess u talk about 1v1

Artanthos

03-19-2008, 23:53

for weaver best is silencer. Silence totaly own him + you can buy hex + you glave dgm goes through armor.

Now I have a question : Enchantres whith hood, can any hero kill her? (in 1v1 game)

Almost every orb walkers, like viper, silencer, obsydian. (I'm talking about 5v5 and meeting them solo on mid, I don't play 1v1)

[RO]Claudiu

03-20-2008, 13:57

HELL Yea Yunero has some really nice moves that other heros would have to spend 3k+ just to get sub par version of.

High rate critals
Avatar+AEO death
Mass Healing
Invincible Nuke Slashes

yea thats worth more them 44k built in to him

I get him wind walk so he becomes really hard to kill
but thats another section
magina vs yurnero . no mana = no heal , heal = 1 hit to ward => no more heal ,omnislash < blink ( magina blinks into fog , yurnero drops on the ground , also if magina te3leports with tp to the fountain when he is in omnislash yurnero also teleports along with magina and dies from the fountain )

some other heroes that pwn yurnero : naix , viper , venomancer , mortred , lycantrop , centaur , nerubian assassin , barathum , ursa warrior etc .

What are the most heros Geomercer (meepo) can easily kill?
I.E: When to choose meepo?

furion , keeper of the light ... fragile int heroes . also he cant kill heroes that have huge dmg per 1 target in witch case the hero targets a weak copy of meepo and meepo = dead .

whats a good hero to kill razor 1v1?
whats a good hero to kill veno 1v1?
whats a good hero to kill weaver 1v1?
whats a good hero to kill Nevermore 1v1?thx

~versus veno - barathum , enchantress , viper , alchemist , arahniaetc
~vs razor - arahnia , barathum , enchantress
~vs weaver ... weaver is no good in 1v1 . i pwned weaver with lina ( gem + dagon + all lina's skills = weaver dead , he didnt even touch me ) so barathum veno , viper , naix etc pwn weaver .
~vs nevermore - arahnia ( after level 6 game over for nevermore , maybe even sooner) , naix , barathum , huskar .

centaur ownage all

centaur vs naix = no chance
centaur vs barathum = no chance
centaur vs viper = no chance
cent vs leoric = .....

-eXtasY-

03-20-2008, 15:31

One big problem , naix barathrum etc wouldnt take even single creep .Also they would be nuked so hard, and be forced to tower hug, while razor , never etc would farm as mad. So defenetly , no.

[RO]Claudiu

03-20-2008, 17:27

One big problem , naix barathrum etc wouldnt take even single creep .Also they would be nuked so hard, and be forced to tower hug, while razor , never etc would farm as mad. So defenetly , no.

actualy last hit is easyer for melee in my perspective , so if they make more denies thats good as well because theyr creeps are closer and can last hit without taking huge dmg , also after level 6 barathum has ulti and charge + 2 passives for extra dmg .. razor has .. chain and reg skill O_O ...

naix vs razor : sange and yasha from the start + a few potions for hp , he cn creep good and also engage in combat vs razor .

last time i playes naix vs razor it was the old naix and razor didnt have a chance .

nevermore is more of a challenge than razor because of the better combat skills but i didnt test him vs barathum and naix yet .

-eXtasY-

03-20-2008, 17:35

You dont get it really. If u try to take creep with naix u will get 3,4 hits from razor and lose almost 200 hp . Its not about last hit , its about harassing .
You just cant compare melee v range in farming in 99% casses, especially Razor.

perito

03-26-2008, 15:34

what is the best way to kill a Banehallow - The Lycanthrope who has S&Y, Life Steal and pretty much good times...
I play against one of my friends, and each time he has Lycanthrope he keeps farming slowly until he has these times and then he is practically unstoppable, he can kill easily, and if u gank him, he can run and no body can reach him...

Mr.7error

03-26-2008, 15:43

Centaur is an enemy for lycan, with 1/2 blademails and some hp(maybe HoT) you can kill him easily, even when shapeshifted. Also, he wont farm that gold because you will just harass him every time he comes to kill a creep, you can stun and all.

AnotherFakeNick

03-26-2008, 16:15

for lycanthrope; as, while in his ulti he's uber-fast, and for those who can easily avoid themselves from the battleground; like nerubian weaver, akasha, anti-mage etc., ppl needs most called disablers.like rhasta with shackles or bane elemental with his disable skills.but it's all about good timing for sure.

OMGBergrush

03-26-2008, 21:01

rhasta and athropos wont do much vs lycan since their channeling disable will be broken by the imba wofl bash

Mr.7error

03-27-2008, 12:35

Speaking of that wolf bash, man I think it is ridiculous... What is the chance ? 20% to miss a bash ? Or what ? Because almost every hit is a focken bash..

perito

03-27-2008, 13:42

Mr.7error

03-27-2008, 13:51

1)Abadon can be bashed and stunned even if he ultis?
2)If a hero has black king bar and activated avatar and faceless void ultis, will he the hero freeze?
3)Sand King with Black King Bar, how can his ulti be stopped?

1) Yes, he can, he just doesnt take any damage while in his ulti, but he's vulerable still as before to dissables of any kind.

2) If I recall corectly, Cronosphere is one of the ultimates that goes trough BKB.

3) He can be stopped with tree's ulti, Black Hole, magnataur's ultimate, and probably other too, these are examples.

OMGBergrush

03-27-2008, 14:42

2) If I recall corectly, Cronosphere is one of the ultimates that goes trough BKB.
what do you expect from a spell that affects towers?

3) He can be stopped with tree's ulti, Black Hole, magnataur's ultimate, and probably other too, these are examples.
fiends grip, doom etc

perito

03-27-2008, 16:00

in a 4v4 game
if your opponent picked
Naga,nessaj,meepo,lancer
and each time u try to face them you see 12 heroes + lancer's images
what is a good pick against this team ? and what should u do to beat it?

Mr.7error

03-27-2008, 17:18

Magnataur + Earth Shaker + Lina + Shadow Fiend and they are all vanished. You need wards btw

perito

03-30-2008, 00:32

I'm playing against an Axe with 2 vanguard and a heart
what is a good counter for Axe?
and what items should I buy to kill him?

Mr.7error

03-30-2008, 13:24

One good counter would be sven with mask of madness...axe has no fighting power besides his counter helix, so he's just a sitting duck with those items.

perito

03-30-2008, 13:29

whats mom?

-eXtasY-

03-30-2008, 15:12

mom - masc of madness

Well about axe hmm , nice counter would be necro (ofc in 5v5 game) , since he just has to wait that axe lose half hp and finish him. Also as error said life steal on some serious dps can be good answer also .

Stin

04-01-2008, 09:09

mask of madness

and against axe whit those artefactes a hero with big dmg,and big hp;for example never with some hp artefactes,or like the guy before me sayd :sven ; the artefact that beats venguard is desolator,so if you make desolator on hero that faces venguard be sure you'll be on top, if you already have a hero with big dmg life steal is beter; but mostly the heroes that have big dmg have litle hp(so make the right artefacts).

and another thing try makeing venguard to ,against axe, axe does not have big dmg, so in 1v1 (without your creeps so you whont activate helix many times) you'll be again on top of him.

[SyS]-Killer

04-03-2008, 13:51

Ive read 50% of this thread..so guess what? all plp think that if u got in team 5 heroes with combo ultis... like.. magnus earth qop voljin mayden... a game can be win AND can be LOSE aswell with this combo... all of u says... magnus go 1st and game is gg...all others come and finish..but u all know..in a decent game.. magnus dont catch all 5 .) ...so...next time..come with better arguments

TBK.Goldy

04-03-2008, 14:50

I beat axe early game with broodmother easily. ofc i dont allow the game to go into 'axe late game'. I'm not being cocky but no matter what build you make in a standard 5v5 game and you take axe and go in a lane vs my broodmother -you cant win. Anyone wanna try my theory, /add tbk.goldy to f list, wait till i'm online then challenge me, win me, and post replay here. Level 6 broodmother cant be won by Axe level 6.

pRiMe

04-04-2008, 02:24

Well i remember one game where i played with smurf 2v2 sdom
We lost that game against axe and purist i was slardar and smurf void...like i said we lost but i pwned axe so hard he had 2 vanguards and vladmirs offering and boots while i had basher,power threads,desolator and vanguard i pwned him from 6-7 hits mb less...desolator+ulti imba against vanguards :)

LifeDrainer[RO]

04-04-2008, 09:51

First of all there is no such thing as axe late game...since axe 'loses' some of his qualities in late game....his glory is untill mid game....
Second 2 vanguard is not great thing also.1 is more than enough then go for some real hp boost...making 2 vang is not impressive.
Third is that the mass ulti combo was more used and 'famous' few time ago...when a gg was considered with heroes with mass ulties etc.But now things are different.They focus lane controling/ganking......not mass ulti.I've won 2 weeks ago 2 games with this situation.They had 3 mass ulti and we had only 1 if i remember...but we outfarmed them on lane and ganked ganked ganked so their ultimates were kinda useless...games was won by us.

TBK.Goldy

04-04-2008, 09:57

gj for win, i meant 'axe late game' -double vanguard, heart, satanic, divine. i once saw in a pub. o0

fatman69

04-04-2008, 19:25

gj for win, i meant 'axe late game' -double vanguard, heart, satanic, divine. i once saw in a pub. o0

can you actually name a hero that wouldnt own with those itemS?

TBK.Goldy

04-04-2008, 19:53

would you make that build on ANY hero?

LifeDrainer[RO]

04-04-2008, 19:59

would you make that build on ANY hero?

no but any hero with those items pwns :laugh:

Mr.7error

04-04-2008, 20:37

;753930']no but any hero with those items pwns :laugh:

With same amount of gold spent on those items I can make another build which can pwn 2 times greater.

LifeDrainer[RO]

04-04-2008, 20:49

With same amount of gold spent on those items I can make another build which can pwn 2 times greater.

ofc...there is no doubt about that for some heroes with same gold you can make them more pwnz0res but the main ideea is that any hero can kill with that build...

Mr.7error

04-04-2008, 20:56

;753967']ofc...there is no doubt about that for some heroes with same gold you can make them more pwnz0res but the main ideea is that any hero can kill with that build...

No, he cant kill. Even a hero with treads can kill, thats not the point. Point is, that build is sux.

pRiMe

04-05-2008, 00:28

I know that 2 vanguards are for noobs but he made them and it was hard to kill him on beginning but later he was only falling down xD
As goldy said if u make it on axe it is gg ;p

perito

04-07-2008, 16:11

can anyone explain how Undying's Soul Rip works?
how much damage does it do? how much healing does it do?
Does it depends on allied creeps or enemy creeps?

[RO]Anti-Mage

04-18-2008, 18:49

A very good combo strategy for 2 vs. 2 :beer:

Rhasta - Atropos

Atropos - Sleep, Rhasta - wards, Atropos - ulti, Rhasta web

GG:thumbUP:

Mr.7error

04-18-2008, 18:52

Atropos is BANNED in 2v2.

-eXtasY-

04-18-2008, 20:10

Come on hes not so imba.... say HI to narub assasin

Mr.7error

04-18-2008, 20:40

Only thing that could stand a chance against Bane is NA, but then again, buy arcane, build up 300 mana and say hi to the enemies.

Deity

04-18-2008, 22:00

Anti-Mage;761051']A very good combo strategy for 2 vs. 2 :beer:

Rhasta - Atropos

Atropos - Sleep, Rhasta - wards, Atropos - ulti, Rhasta web

GG:thumbUP:

^^; try Tauren - Omni str team vs ur int :)

basics

05-24-2008, 20:25

There`s no such thing as best 5 team, maybe best 5 counters for oposition team and even here u can do some changes .
Edit: Had to say this.

URK-Ruthless

06-16-2008, 08:31

who's good agianst Axe 1v1?

mortred, leroic, ursa, cent, maybe ogre, lion depends on lvl....

Anti-Mage;761051']A very good combo strategy for 2 vs. 2 :beer:

Rhasta - Atropos

Atropos - Sleep, Rhasta - wards, Atropos - ulti, Rhasta web

GG:thumbUP:

atropos, omni, abba, and some disablers make a game imba!

MiZiGe

07-24-2008, 14:58

Just a nice combo I've seen recently:
nerubian weaver and dark seer.
Watchers with ION shell do really own the start, before the oponent realises, what is happening (and in pub, they will not realise at all and scream about cheats). And even in later stages the combo is applicable to hunt down enemies.
Tried it a few times already, I usually play Seer, weaver shares control so I take one watcher.

(hope this has not been posted yet, I did not read the last two pages yet :D )

perito

07-25-2008, 22:13

What is a good skill build for Warcief? I mean should aura be taken at first or no?

LifeDrainer[RO]

07-26-2008, 00:45

What is a good skill build for Warcief? I mean should aura be taken at first or no?

you mean centaur?

Tkc]Fear

07-26-2008, 04:29

What is a good skill build for Warcief? I mean should aura be taken at first or no?

Yea take it. Returns damage to towers as well and makes you hard to harras by attacks at start

LifeDrainer[RO]

07-26-2008, 09:50

dont listen to him...take aura only if you are jungling from start, otherwise dont pick it....

perito

07-26-2008, 11:23

;813377']dont listen to him...take aura only if you are jungling from start, otherwise dont pick it....
can you explain that more... I mean
The Centaur Warchief immediately counters every attack against him with a swift strike.
Level 1 - Returns 12.5 damage.
Level 2 - Returns 25 damage.
Level 3 - Returns 37.5 damage.
Level 4 - Returns 50 damage.
Mana Cost: N/A
Cooldown: N/A
Double Edge (D)
Level 1 - Deals 175 damage.
Level 2 - Deals 250 damage.
Level 3 - Deals 325 damage.
Level 4 - Deals 400 damage.
Mana Cost: 75/ 90/ 105/ 120

25 and 37.5 damage return is good enough, and the damage from the DE at the beginning of the game -.- and the mana it requires ...

so you're suggesting, if Im in a lane, to get stun and states or stun and DE?

LifeDrainer[RO]

07-26-2008, 12:23

i take stun + de...and stun + aura only when jungling

URK-Ruthless

07-27-2008, 02:09

i take centaur too. he remember me of arnold schwarzenegger! great warroir!

Tkc]Fear

07-27-2008, 20:36

;813407']i take stun + de...and stun + aura only when jungling

EDIT:

Nvm drainer was right.

_Kyuubi_

08-25-2008, 15:12

Aura its best from the beggining.
But if they have heroes with low hp, i think aura+DE, or stun+de. bot hes aura with 2 blade mail and vang, makes troll kill him self and others. u have more hp.
1 vang,2x blademail,satanic,battlefury,powerthreads=> in my opinion one of the most succesfull build on Centaur

Tkc]Fear

08-25-2008, 15:23

You take aura if you go jungle only.

And your build without dagger sucks .

[YuMa]Ale

08-25-2008, 15:44

best for 2v2 na + viper or sf

_Kyuubi_

08-25-2008, 20:31

Fear;832939']And your build without dagger sucks .
Depends on the other players ;) if they have 4 meele? i say its good without dagger ;). Btw cent is more like a tank u are atacked

Tkc]Fear

08-25-2008, 22:00

Dagger = must for centaur

If you don't agree with this go play Apem Godlike servers.

VamoS_GringO

08-25-2008, 22:16