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Put here your best strategys for humans
An old strategy, ppl dont use it often, becouse there are many way to counter it at all. Eg. Orc - shamans -purage, hum - priests with adept training - dispel magic, ud - destroyers, elfs - dryiads with dispel magic....And when our enemy will see arcane in base he get this units for sure...But there is some smart way to counter tier 3 units...when soccers come in the hotest moment in the game...
Download and enjoy wathing great counter against mighty gryphons riders and powerfull taurens. Did Beast Master and MK will survive alone to tier 3 ?
TheFuckingScorp
08-11-2004, 20:04
the big problem isn't the dispel... but this polymorf training comes in the end of the game... can u survive that long?
I think that polymorph is good spell but it scost too much mana and it is easy dispeled :(( And just like said Scorp that spell is comming with master training and that is nearly in the end of games :)))) Agianst ORC good tactic is to make priests with adept training,tree or four sorcceres and four spellbreakers and your ORC can suck your rocket :)) I talk what you need to buy of spellcasters against ORC :)))
I forgot to tell you to use your invisibility spell of sorcceres it is good spell,most Human players dont play it :)))
download the replay, watch and then start telling :P
u play hum and can't beat und
watch ths rep
best i have ever seen
Hmmm I always have trouble against ud hero nuk...But it is to win I saw some top replays (www.replayers.com) where hum defend against 3 ud heros supported by ghouls, gargoles, statues and another **** :P ud are imba against hum its true
heh tyrq on this rep hum 1 hero is imba
3und heros can't beat him
wacht rep first then write : >
Originally posted by SirHoe
u play hum and can't beat und
watch ths rep
best i have ever seen WATCH THIS REPLAY, IT SHOWS HOW IMBA IS THE PALLY!
P.S. This replay is like a legend now, i've seen this to DL now in about 4 places :D
Terrorboy
08-13-2004, 17:31
SirHoe napisał(a)
u play hum and can't beat und
watch ths rep
best i have ever seen
OMg! Tyrq, my friend, i always told u dont use archmage vs UD, but pally and MK, but u didnt hear me:) did u seen this replay? Its really the best replay i had ever seen! hum>>>ud!!!
yes I have seen this replay, nice nice :). But ud player wasnt top player for sure !!! This dk deth in first part of the game....was noobish dead....
I have seen this tricks pally when olny divine shield was rebalanced. In old days 1rst mk + pally rocks, but not now... Top players often use AM + MK (or 3rd pally).... against ud....
There are not many ways to win hum with ud it seems this is one of them.
But still good abuse 3 ud heros is difficult ;P
Hehehe check this out 2vs2 heros + militia only...against high leveled Demon Hunter....did it work ?
Terrorboy
08-13-2004, 23:12
tyrq napisał(a)
Hehehe check this out 2vs2 heros + militia only...against high leveled Demon Hunter....did it work ? Hehe, lol game :D Now I find humans not only the best, but also the funniest race in game, hehe.
Btw. What do you think about pally first, hero 2nd MK vs UD?Is it good idea? I watch few repalys where it works fine.
I must try myself this combo
generally I choose pally as second, but maybe as 1rst its will be cool
Terrorboy
08-14-2004, 00:49
hmmm maybe pally is better for creep, coz he can heal his army, also Mk do fast levels, so he is good as 2nd hero...I had problems when i play vs UD with AM, coz he dies so easily!now i leave him and play with pall...for me its easier
TheFuckingScorp
08-14-2004, 11:04
on bigger maps u should do mk first, because if u get to higher level u will only need level 3 paladin to keep him alive, and he will do his work (tunder clap after tunder clap, storm bolt after storm bolt)...
i had once in a pg game level 3 mountain king with 1000 hp, so don't say it dies easyly
he said die AM die easyliy not mk
TheFuckingScorp
08-14-2004, 14:24
oh, yes sory :p
Terrorboy
08-14-2004, 17:20
SirHoe napisał(a)
heh tyrq on this rep hum 1 hero is imba
3und heros can't beat him
wacht rep first then write : >
Hi guys, i am just noob level 11, but yesterday i wanna check this strategy....I played CG with UD level 10 (so the same skill that mine i think), and i even won. I killed about 30 ( :D ) of his acolities and maybe about 7-8 ghouls, and i destroyed his black citadel and necropolis his base with tanks (also few towers and other buildings)...my pally lvl 7 didnt die any time.::D He has DK lvl 5 and lich lvl 4 (only from creeps), only reason i lost is that he had army of necromancers, and i didnt have priests...it was noobish...i think if had priests i could win this game...but it really makes UD player nervous:D I had to listen TONS OF UGLY WORDS FROM HIM :D
btw. maybe i should kill necros with holy ****, not ghouls....it was my mistake
Hmmm i can tell only one thing HUM >>>> UD. Human rulez the undead :) .And one general opinion HUMAN THE BEST :) .LOL ahhahahha.Yeah thats right.
Terrorboy
08-17-2004, 18:48
pls tell me some1 good human player what do you build vs mass bears, +driads,huntss,archers and demon hunter + naga?its hard to beat for me, becoz i can conunter this with knights but ****in bears come come at tier2!!!i can build knights only from tier3 when its 2 late....
Yes its some problem when bears arrive... :D I told you one: try get down elfs in tier one. Hum >>> ne in tier one. You must be this one who pushing. If he go hunts, he will be haras you dh or warden until he get hunters hall - one tower in your base is enought. Lookout for your hero when it is warden, and look out for your workers if it is dh :>. If he go mass tier one units its easy !!! - you may build one barax and start upgarding to keep.
Mass archers - just 4 footmnas, rest of riflemans AM - blizzard, second hero BM with flamestrike + mortars + upgarde to mortars.But blizzard should make his work and game should ending on begun tier 2 :>. If there are hunters Try to get as many riflemans as possible and focus fire one by one hunt + mortar teams in tier 2 (soccerers are good to). If NE take only hunts or archers its simple. If NE going to tier 2 and gets beras + dryiads or mountain giants + dryiads its maybe difficult. If you see that he upgarding (by pushing his base all the time). Get two rax and simple mass riflemans should work. Get his base when he start build acient of lore - it easy to destroy then ! huh :>. dryiads - counter mortars MG - mortars to (but with upgarde). Dont let elf get acients of lore or have big army when he just put all his money in 2x acient of lore. Then you will be owning NE. I win with NE in 95% :>. Even with higher levels then me.
TheDarkWarlock
08-18-2004, 03:50
somethings i can had :
first almost always vs ne im building fast riftles- they r the best vs hunters, so built blacksmith before u upgrades to your 2nd tier
second- morter. morter kill n e. they good against almost all strategies of the ne (if u see they focus on morter- get them back-its easy becouse high range. 2-3 morters should be anouth. never make mass of them :)(morters r extream good vs giants)
dont forget upgrade the morter if u have tier 3
and about magic- i never built sors, 1 max, becouse they can built dryad so easyly....
and last one type vs ne- if u see bears-built 2-3 spellbrekers and steal there heal!!!! (make it by your self not with auto)
Terrorboy
08-18-2004, 10:49
Thx guys, i know its easy to human beat NE wchih has mass archers , huntss and other ****s :D . I am lvl 11 human and yesterday beat elf lvl 16 which had mass tier1 units and driads:)but problem started when elf do mass druids from 2 ancients of lore (as said Tyrq), he do them mass, next tier 3, fast upgrade and GG :( Also i of course tryed spellbrekers, but ussually he killed them first next he started heal his units :( ( Problem is not they heal but thay are equal to knights and come in tier2!!!and how kill his ****in superfast heroes with archmage and units tier 1???If he has 5 moonwells and can heal and regenarete mana in infinity? U may say UD imba, human IMba, but GOOD elf player is extreme hard to beat i think...but maybe i should start build this arcane tower as said tyrq...
TheDarkWarlock
08-18-2004, 14:52
bears r NOT equel to knites and they have low armor with morters can kill very fast. if u focus fire on bears they will use regeneration and this is the time to steal the spell.
any way if they try to kill your breckers its ok becouse breckers
have high armor and till they will kill some of your breckers u should kill some of their bears.
if its stil dont work for u, u just have to make more strong army.
dont forget that u shouldnt have more than 500 600 gold in any time in game
Terrorboy
08-18-2004, 15:56
Ok i will try it. And one thing: i think they are even equal to knights , look: more HP, better damage, only armor is lower. They also can heal and roar (lucky vs human it doesnt work good) However are they easy to kill by mortars with they heavy armor?As i know mortars do reduce damage to heavy armor. Also spellbreakers armor is medium, and they recive extra damage from normal attack (like from bears), and they die like flies....
W8 for 1.17, human will be better... ( I am interesting what with ****in BM hero, if he still will be LOL, or IMBA now:D )
Guys i want to anybody who can to give me his opinion about this: What tactic do you prefer with human fast expand on begining or expand in middle of the game?? PLs tell me i want to know.And iwaht you think is best to expand quickli or later? :) OK who want to answer then answer :)
Terrorboy
08-21-2004, 00:55
In 1v1 I prefer expand at middle, becoz maps for PG are small and it is easy for opponent to find your exp and destroy it. That is problem human is vulnerable for attack at start of game, especially, if he dont have tower...I do it in team games sometimes, when ally can help me defeat potential attack in this moment of game...
OK anybody else to give his opinion please :) Hmm i have think too much time about this problem with expansion.But if you make to buld that exp you will own your oponent about 90% :) But if he find your exp you are ****ed up LOL :),but that not mean that you will lose the game :) OK pls more opinions :)
TheDarkWarlock
08-21-2004, 20:41
if i make a fast expand is only in lost temple map (not always)
anyway vs orcs i never make fast expand becouse they have an advance on u at beggining
if u see they r not attacking u (or when u attack them and they r not gonna attack u soon) it is a good time to make a mine
i usually kill some mine creeps in beggin so i would be able to make a mine if ill have to with no problems
Terrorboy
08-23-2004, 13:30
Another question from me, can some1 good human player can tell me what you build vs UD who goes in mass ghouls and gargoules?
TheFuckingScorp
08-24-2004, 12:13
rifles, MK(with lot of mana for tunder clap) paladin(for keeping mk alive) priests, if u r lucky to find some healing wards ... but it's still risking... if he has more thand 20-30 ghouls i think u can't beat them... the gargoyls won't do any trouble on rifles...
Terrorboy
08-24-2004, 16:08
hmm...thx for answer man. And If u play with Palladyn vs UD u use devotion aura?I ussually go in holy light and divine shield, but maybe 1 point in divine is enough, if he play Dreadlord? And is good counter devotion aura vs vampiric aura , if he started play with Dreadord? ( I ussually take pally 1st vs UD)
-Freestyler-
08-24-2004, 17:22
human vs ghouls should have MK with level 2 clap,some sorcs and maybe a healing scroll.also if the undead guy hasnt got healing scrolls then only MK will be enough >_<
and vs elf ---> if on turtle rock on near positions take 5 militia go attack him ,destroy hunters hall and when its over make barracks in his base and mass footmen >_< lol
Terrorboy
08-24-2004, 18:56
Man, are u joking?U just kidding, yes?If it is true pls upload replay:)
-Freestyler-
08-24-2004, 20:05
LOL I AM joking :D
but humans can do anything vs elf :rolleyes:
yeah it's right :) humans can bulit barrack in elf base :):):):) :P in elf base i can built barrack 2 towers and one of them arcane and mass footman but i take arch instead mk :P
Terrorboy
08-24-2004, 22:53
-Freestyler- napisał(a)
LOL I AM joking :D
but humans can do anything vs elf :rolleyes:
yeah, if he dont build ****in bears...
fun !
Next time I`ll try bulid main base in base of enemy. Town hall, rax, hmm few farms will be good to oh and the most important in "base rush" will be lumber mil + blacksmith its killing combo ;P
btw. UD and mass ghouls ? Its simple, but it always is introduce to 3 heros nuke...I think so..
Terrorboy
08-24-2004, 23:20
lol....do fast keep and mass militia:)
TheDarkWarlock
08-25-2004, 02:37
i think paladin is gr8 vs undead couse he can become hero killer :)
1st level-holy 2- invulanty 3- holy 4 -eura :)
and about base rush- i think n e are better in this( i saw in 2v2 pg my tp try REAL base rush at begin :D )
Terrorboy
08-25-2004, 08:11
TheDarkWarlock napisał(a)
i think paladin is gr8 vs undead couse he can become hero killer :)
1st level-holy 2- invulanty 3- holy 4 -eura :)
and about base rush- i think n e are better in this( i saw in 2v2 pg my tp try REAL base rush at begin :D )
Thats true, what we humans can do vs this NE startegy???
-Freestyler-
08-25-2004, 16:40
militia = moves,
burrows=don't,
ancients=slow as a cow's ass
20 militia > 20 ancients that are building :P
Yes when i play against undead i always play MK and PL heroes Mountain King as a firs heroe and Paladin as a second.First i make a Mountin KIng because as prevent of mass gouls and Paladin as secont to support MK.And make more sorrcers :)
Terrorboy
08-26-2004, 13:48
-Freestyler- napisał(a)
militia = moves,
burrows=don't,
ancients=slow as a cow's ass
20 militia > 20 ancients that are building :P
hmmm...ok. but in this game i send replay we played 2v2 cg and they do LOTS OF ANCIENTS at start of games supported by fast heroes elfs and mass archers...look this pls and say what we can do? it was mistake that we detected it 2 late...but we only take 2 creeps and they attack 1 of our base with this ****in army!maybe in 1v1 it is hard to do, 2v2 is easier i think. And 1 question to HErb: u do sorcerres vs ud?i ussually go in adept-priests to dispel potential skeletons. hmm... I also build mortars vs necro or fiends and towers and army from barracks...it is all
Yes you must know when play against undead you need first and basic priests with adept training then you can make sorrceres :) LOL man it is basic tactic to make priests with adept training against undead.But after that make sorccers they will help you alot.But if he have Lich your casters are in danger :)
Terrorboy
08-26-2004, 21:11
Ok i will try it, i must just beware dont cast slow on skeletons:)And dont dispel it later:)Also i play vs ud with mk and pally, so without AM my casters dont have lots of mana....but with avatar and divine shield i am immune to nuke so UD also are weaker i think...
-Freestyler-
08-26-2004, 22:13
!!!! If Elf has archers behind his moonwells/ancients don't attack without siege/range.
Or wait until 1.17 when footmen will just camp in front of them and reflect all damage back...:D
TheDarkWarlock
08-27-2004, 00:00
reflect is realy stupid....... u can win without even attack....
defeance become super anti peirsing....its to imba i think becouse if yor opponent make mass peirsing he wont have even a chance to make something else vs this defence
I agree with dark that reflect damage will be very imba LOL :) Hmm i dont know maybe blizzard will do something about that :) I hope so :)
Terrorboy
08-27-2004, 10:17
I read on bnet forum that people who play on Westfall and tested 1.17 complain human is too strong now...I think they fast do smg with foots coz they are now uniwersal units, can be also used vs towers or antiair vs wywerns for example. However I read defend will be no affects enemy buidings, when patch started on.
If footmans become good air defence I wll become the happiest man on the world !!! ahahahahaha ! =) Imagine that - mass footmans vs mass wind riders :D hihiihi
Terrorboy
08-27-2004, 14:08
Yes, its lol patch:) What a pity, it works only vs piercing attack, not all ranged. Maybe good times come for human players:)
imagine mass a noob playing mass wind raiders :/ nobody play this str :/ all good orc players know that orcs power is in melee unist (grunts rulez ! ! !) . i make WR only to defeat hunt :P
Man it is not good time for huma players we will e ****ed up with this patch.Look if in this new patch footmans reflect damege from pircing attacks on defend then all other players will become human players LOOOOL :) This sucks and i hate mirrors :)
yeah hum will sux and foot will sux, but foot always sux :/
Terrorboy
08-28-2004, 17:31
HeRb napisał(a)
Man it is not good time for huma players we will e ****ed up with this patch.Look if in this new patch footmans reflect damege from pircing attacks on defend then all other players will become human players LOOOOL :) This sucks and i hate mirrors :) LOL...thats true. I heard lots of Westfall players are humans now. I also hate play vs humans...and NE:)
Man if you think that footmans still sucks in 1.17 you are totaly wrong.Now it is wors the humans RULZZZ.ahhahh sorry about that man but that is cruel truth :) You like that or not :)
Yes man and the blood mage is now like a beast :) AHaha you can only watch how your units will desapear :) LOOOL
Terrorboy
08-28-2004, 18:24
HeRb napisał(a)
Yes man and the blood mage is now like a beast :) AHaha you can only watch how your units will desapear :) LOOOL Yes and there is a reason they grown-up the cost of banish! (but i think with AM, mana siphon and no cooldown it could be still imba:)
HeRb napisał(a)
Man if you think that footmans still sucks in 1.17 you are totaly wrong.Now it is wors the humans RULZZZ.ahhahh sorry about that man but that is cruel truth :) You like that or not :)
yeah footman suxx, because i always playing mass grunts + mass shamans on hum :P so defend ability sux :P
Terrorboy
08-29-2004, 18:19
Hmmm. u write before that u always do tower-rush...smg smell here....man its sad true but in 1.17 hum >orc...maybe next patch will be another:)
TheDarkWarlock
08-30-2004, 03:48
hum>orcs?? no footmans defence useless vs grunts and knite have only very small amounth of hitpoint more.... tourans still own them. tourans+bloodlust >knites+innerfire its a fact
Terrorboy
08-30-2004, 11:20
Yes, but in 1.17 they have 980 or 985 Hp and have very good armor and cost 4 foods not 5 and quit from 1st buildings barracks vs taurens buildings tier3,etc...also u can build spellbreakers which have the same upgrades like knights what is good vs shamans if u see them and they become useless. (If he use healing wards=free wins for human, they have 5 hp and u can steal them with infinity:)
Terrorboy napisał(a)
Yes, but in 1.17 they have 980 or 985 Hp and have very good armor and cost 4 foods not 5 and quit from 1st buildings barracks vs taurens buildings tier3,etc...also u can build spellbreakers which have the same upgrades like knights what is good vs shamans if u see them and they become useless. (If he use healing wards=free wins for human, they have 5 hp and u can steal them with infinity:)
but i can play taurens + shamans + spirit walkers to raise dead taurens and then knights won't have any chance :P
and one adventage - every good player goes vs hum "antymagic" :P so playing orcs i make taurens and disenchant :P
Terrorboy
08-31-2004, 08:31
jujin napisał(a)
but i can play taurens + shamans + spirit walkers to raise dead taurens and then knights won't have any chance :P ok man i can tell u I do mass gryphs and beat your taurens like children, so u tell me u do mass trolls batriders, then I tell u I do mass rifles or dragonhawks ant u tell me blablabla:))) We can speak like this in infinity....There is no imba there is skill. So finish this stupid discusion:)
In this discussion if he gets batriders he just needs some trolls and and he can finish your alll damaged gryphs with them , mmmthis has an end
Terrorboy
08-31-2004, 08:43
Yea taurens, spiritwalkers, trolls, batriders and army 200 food:) pls lolz stop it stupid discusion, every tactic has counter and this is nice in this game, u must be faster:) pls stop it its boring u know
Terrorboy
08-31-2004, 09:06
And my proposition is give some replay your strategy if u have few. This is fresh replay at the moment, u can see how I beat the orc, which goes in gruntapuls and shamans...like your strategy Jujin. His shamans die like flyes vs my SB and stolen his electric shileds and this is funny:) and i even didnt use casters. And he started very near me so it is big advantage to the orc vs hum:)Gl HF. And he didnt make taurens and its funny becoz he has been killed before:)
Terrorboy napisał(a)
And my proposition is give some replay your strategy if u have few. This is fresh replay at the moment, u can see how I beat the orc, which goes in gruntapuls and shamans...like your strategy Jujin. His shamans die like flyes vs my SB and stolen his electric shileds and this is funny:) and i even didnt use casters. And he started very near me so it is big advantage to the orc vs hum:)Gl HF. And he didnt make taurens and its funny becoz he has been killed before:)
so play 1vs1 with me then i will give u replay :):):):):P
Terrorboy
08-31-2004, 10:27
np man but I am also noob:)will be funny:)
wiec garmy dzisiaj bede od 13 do 14
gdzies tak zobaczymy czy tylko duzo mowie
Terrorboy
08-31-2004, 12:22
ok postaram sie byc
Terrorboy
09-11-2004, 13:24
Hello guys, why is so silent here??? Do u see now human rulezzzzz on Xpam??? And will be better in 1.17!!!:D
ok. I wanna ask u something about 1v1 game. The question is: do u use human towers??? I ussually build 1 arcane tower if I play vs elf or orc to prevent hero rush on my workers....sometimes I used guard towers if I do FE becoz my army is smaller in this time-2 on exp and 1 in base....Pls. tell me your opinion good human players!!! (Frostmoon, Chaos, Herb, Tyrq and others:p )
Btw. Do u know that cannon tower is really good? Once i loss game, his army was 3 times bigger then my (It was insane elf player) and for fun i build 1 good defend canon tower in my base and it destroy half of his elvies army and I win game!!! Do u belive it...? (I had only 3 high leveled heroes and little army...)
most of players choose their race for unknown reason of which they like that race, not because they see some imbalances. and most of players wont change race at all. no matter if some race is easier, or better or whatever. if someone changes race, it wont be for all the time (or there wont be so much guys who will do so), but for just a short time to see what are new advantages or to see how it is to play with that race or to figure out how other players play. or maybe just because they want to learn playing with that race etc:) but they will still like their race they played before that race much more. its simply like it is, races are chosen not for imbalance or for some race is better. they are chosen of other reasons. but its true that NE are newbie race, most of newbs start with NE:) but for real play after u learn to play really good, u ll see all races are mostly good balanced, but there are always some imbalances:) and when u figure out which are those imbalances, u simply start to use them in your favour. like which hero is better whicj spell is better, which unit counters much more strats than other unit etc:)
Terrorboy
09-12-2004, 23:34
What? NE is noobish???OMG, man, ****, this is the hardest race to play! They have big potential, but is very diffuclt to survive when you play with them! Especially if u play NE vs human;) Man, I say orc is n o o b i s h. U dont need micro, u dont need intelligence, only brutal fight:)
TheDarkWarlock
09-12-2004, 23:46
ok about towers i build usually 1 tower vs orcs in base and 1-2 in the fast expand if i make (not in late expand, only on fast expand)
in general i think better good army than good defence :)
Terrorboy
09-12-2004, 23:48
exactly but humans are masters of defence:) But u build arcane or guard? I think in 1.17 arcane will be really good tower....now is perfect vs hero rush...
TheDarkWarlock
09-13-2004, 02:08
i build only guard (same cost but more damage and faster shoot)
in ver 1.17 i think ill continue built only guard becouse arcan towers cant stop grunts!!! they only beat better no more
if he attack with 1 hero- thats not scare me and arcan tower wont change much (if this hero is far seer than the job east becouse far seer cant kill hero by himself)
Terrorboy
09-13-2004, 08:17
but if he harras with Blademaster or DemonHunrter arcane tower is perfect I think.....about grunts-i kill them with army and militia its enough.
arcane tower is good to stop hero rush. but some ppl think it will help them like some strong unit. arcane tower has bonus only to stop early abuse with wolves, rest stuff is same. afterall arcane tower was almost total waste of money, it wasnt protecting u from seer+1 grunt attack at all. not arcane acts like guard vs those wolves..... reset of the stuff is same. grunts will still be a nightmare for human. and yeah, orc is easiest to play in a way. if u go casters + rifles, u need excellent micro to stop poor grunt + shaman control.
grunt rush is countered by good control, no matter what some ppl think, and in most games human must be much better than orc player to beat him.
about NE, most of newbs start going elf, and al ppl know that. hey and in random team, most of total noob players are = noobelf w3 beginners. noobelf? why that? because in ROC u could beat much more better players with just attack move.
1.00 - 1.05 were totally elf patches. thats wzhy ppl were naming NE players as "noobelves".
elf cant go hunts vs human and have same affect like vs orc. and human has serious problems with orc. archers are better than rifles by itself. but archers need casters to cover them on tier2 and few hunts on tier1 eventually. and then comes imbalance again. human gets few breakers and counters talons. also human can rush elf easily in the crittical moment when elf almost suceeds in going on higher tier units. human gets few towers and gets elf in a bad moment.... elf has poor chances in most of cases, since dryards and talons are unarmored. and u cant handle mixed army with only archers. but...... everything can be countered. only thing is that chances of suceed in something should be same for all races. and they arent. especially in those 2 matchups.
1.17 should give some better matchups especially those 2. and it seems it ll be better, by the balance fixes.
Terrorboy
09-21-2004, 23:12
Why so afraid orc??? The hardest enemy of human is another human:) I checked it...;)
but serious when I played vs orc is problem in tier 1 and often must hide in base, in tier2 when MK and wizards start acting chances are equal I think. And if fool let u creep, no harras, u have better chances them him, becoz powercreep with militia and WE:)
oh ! hum vs hum ! its classic ! if you go in rifles u are dead :P, socceres the same :>. I saw so many battles with spellbreakers, knights and gryphon riders + priests, its beautyfull :D
Terrorboy
09-28-2004, 18:01
Yes, and now thx Blizzard more and more foots will be used I think:)
couple of rifles are still useful even vs other human. and ofcourse, mixed army and watching what enemy does. rifles have one good usage, wel if u find them unusable, ok. but for me, vs other human they have one important job:)
TheDarkWarlock
09-28-2004, 19:43
Originally posted by Terrorboy
[but serious when I played vs orc is problem in tier 1 and often must hide in base, in tier2 when MK and wizards start acting chances are equal I think. And if fool let u creep, no harras, u have better chances them him, becoz powercreep with militia and WE:) [/B]
well, i dont agree becouse in tier 3with taurons they have also advance on humens.....
most of my loses on org r from orcs
Terrorboy
09-28-2004, 19:54
I wrote about tier2 not 3. Still u can build gryphs vs mass taurens. At least human is the most versatile race:) Especially now.
u can build whatever u want. but true is that orc vs human is most imbalanced matchup. thats all.
Terrorboy
09-29-2004, 15:13
maybe for u man:) I tell u only now human is really strong! and this new firelord.....great hero
Demonhide_PT
09-30-2004, 19:12
yep man, gryphons reaaaly rock agains tauren and grunts, and if u make Spell Breakers,Inner Fire and slow it will be really unbalanced... Humans will own u:D
humans are the best race man;)
Terrorboy
09-30-2004, 19:15
Demonhide_PT napisał(a)
humans are the best race man;) I must agree here:cool:
i m tired of explaining. when i try to explain all reasons why it isnt like u say, then i get "long post" whine. ok. let it be like u say. and u know, i know and everyone know that it isnt like u said. well, no matter. i wont bother u again.
Terrorboy
10-01-2004, 00:13
No man u are no right, human is really imba now. For volves or Blademaster rush u have NoobianeTower now:)
TheDarkWarlock
10-01-2004, 04:26
bah if u ll make 20 griff 20 knite ,inner fire, its imba...
lol
r u mean all this ****??
griff r good vs taurons -true but u cant make more than 3-4 in solo
cuz he would make anti air (and orc troll r very good at kiling griff)
thats how w3 work- 1 built this ,the other the opposite and etc...
and even if humen r imba (i dont say its true), than they arent vs orcs.
FrostMoon
10-23-2004, 00:52
Humn is Imba Vs orc Huh?grophons is nothink without dragonhawks Vs orc.Because orc always explove my air.About casters;the most useful Vs them is catapult.It dagames a ground and **** all casters.
I think the orc one of the best race Vs humn
Terrorboy
10-27-2004, 00:15
WTF I can beat orc with human air. If i survive tier 1 its ussually no problem for me and it no needs many casters. 1-2 gryphins aviary=GG. Fu**n imba are UD destroyers I cant beat them as humans. Last game I loss with stupid noob with 7 towers teching to mass destros arghhhh. They are again too strong with this new patch vs humans. Pls help!
as I see humans have Aragorn ! Aragorn is imba !
Terrorboy
10-27-2004, 00:40
lol
iLLuSiON
10-27-2004, 21:40
this not good :(
Terrorboy
10-27-2004, 22:36
Is it good idea build mass gyross with flak canon vs destroyers??? Btw. they have heavy armor and take extra damage from magic attack.....
iLLuSiON
10-27-2004, 22:39
this doesn't work ..
Average player can defalt u very fast .;)
Terrorboy
10-27-2004, 22:41
So what can I do...? If I see 4-5 destroyers its GG ussually.....imbalance!!
iLLuSiON
10-27-2004, 22:44
Terrorboy napisał(a)
So what can I do...? If I see 4-5 destroyers its GG ussually.....imbalance!!
Not always, in org people are better and they can Extract (issue) from this trap :)
Terrorboy
10-27-2004, 22:45
heh.....better say, how do it or give replay...!
iLLuSiON
10-27-2004, 22:49
Somewhere on replays.pl u must find it :) but i was in the game and see it we can do it :)
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jak pogramy to ci trochce pokaze :)
TheDarkWarlock
10-27-2004, 23:15
all u need against destroyers r water elemental(always have) and few riftle... nothing more. the griff can kill the other heroes/units (as long as the undead dont cr8 mass garg i continue make griff if i start)
when I playED in 2vs2 my quick counter to all mass flyers was mass flying machinse with flak - enemy panick, whey saw 15 gyros in the air... BUT hum always have trouble with destro (btw WATER ELEMNETAL ??? - destys gain mana from WE, its free mana for them!). Rifles are importand but must be supported by gyros - frost nova dont work on them :D, death coil to :D, dunno about carrion swarm. Gryos are faster then lighting and do bonus dmg. You can get 15 gyros in 2 min ;) and it takes 15 food, its supprising. I always have workshop, sometimes 2 when I played against ne or other mass medium/unarmored land units. But now I play dota and know nothing :P
TheDarkWarlock
10-28-2004, 19:52
most player forget use destroyers vs we :D
i think 2 workshop is bad , u cant win with workshop
i built it sometimes vs elfs (not lately) and rarely vs undead when they already have mass gargs
Originally posted by TheDarkWarlock
all u need against destroyers r water elemental(always have) and few riftle... nothing more. the griff can kill the other heroes/units (as long as the undead dont cr8 mass garg i continue make griff if i start)
yes. rifles are actually counter for destos. and few WEs should be real gg or at least equal matchup. but its not. my strat is ----> dont let them mass like so. u all forget about noncapped powerful UD spells, nova and impale are actually things which enable UD players to handle big human army with just pack of supporting ghouls. and statues ofcourse. hawks are so LOL belive me, dont try @home.
but i see UD as currently bad race. they took last place in 1.17 which humans held. after those few bugs of destos are repaired, orc is actually in big advantage. orc beats spiders with wind riders as soon as they get TC on just a bit bigger level. level 3 = enough. orc is still obviously the strongest, easiest and most noob friendly race in solo. i m glad elf takes advantage, yet elf is still in bad position vs human, all u need is not to allow them getting AoL massing bears and dryards (sometimes against good players its hard job but dont allow that stuff). and u are on half of the way to win the game.
generally, it looks UD is weakest, elf and orc havaadvantage, orc has BIG advantage. and they lost their desto bug abuse, but still its obvious they can handle rifles with destos and 3 hero combo pretty good. but i m happy that at least they do that harder now.
i think UD need buffing their stuff (but destos no way, they already act as universal anti humna unit and make **** of matchup), and orc needs real time nerf.
Terrorboy
10-29-2004, 00:31
hmmm.....i beat today noobdead massing destroyers with rifle and lots of WE....I just play only with AM+ MK so my AM was lvl 5 with WE lvl 3 and it works fine for me....I ussually played AM+MK+pall so my AM rarely achieved lvl 5.....maybe its better take only AM+ MK and buy healing potions. dunno.....and pls I really dont understand about orc....tier 1 orc >>>>tier1 human but human air>>>orc air....Now my standard buildings vs orc is barracks, arcane sanctum and 2 gryphins aviaries...it works fine....if he goes in mass HH i can fast switch production to knights + wizards and it works really fine for me........if trolls betriders-shackle or bolt and kill them fast....and what they can do vs gryphins 975 HP?? just heal gryphs and attack again....
Originally posted by Terrorboy
hmmm.....i beat today noobdead massing destroyers with rifle and lots of WE....I just play only with AM+ MK so my AM was lvl 5 with WE lvl 3 and it works fine for me....I ussually played AM+MK+pall so my AM rarely achieved lvl 5.....maybe its better take only AM+ MK and buy healing potions. dunno.....and pls I really dont understand about orc....tier 1 orc >>>>tier1 human but human air>>>orc air....Now my standard buildings vs orc is barracks, arcane sanctum and 2 gryphins aviaries...it works fine....if he goes in mass HH i can fast switch production to knights + wizards and it works really fine for me........if trolls betriders-shackle or bolt and kill them fast....and what they can do vs gryphins 975 HP?? just heal gryphs and attack again....
watch replays. even gosus are faced with big problems in hu vs orc matchup. its obvious, u need to micro excellent etc etc...... in average matchup, orc has even 5 times bigger advantage, because players arent professional 24h pc freak w3 players. there u can see how much orc is imbalanced. oh yeah, and bats arent stupid like orc players say. why? coz they own elf and undead, just they have problems vs human. oh, then watch stats for headhunters, when they get berserk upgrade. trol berserks are strongest amoung ground antiair, just in big team games when range is important maybe tey are in a little probblems. in solo they are obviously best amoung grund antiair. even better than elf archer ground antiair. ppl should watch stats better, then speak about it (ofcourse, hhs arent so good w/o berserk upgrade).
and orc noobs should get the point why isnt smart to use berserk mode allways in all kind of situations, thats why they get own in most of cases, basic mistake (or not using berserk mode anyway, is also kind of stupid again).
Terrorboy
10-29-2004, 15:24
heh...u can write here what u want Sakky , but if I achieved heavy air, I ussually win this matchup....thats all .
ITS HAMMER TIME:D
iLLuSiON
10-29-2004, 15:27
good tactic is not succes u must only can play :)
Originally posted by Terrorboy
heh...u can write here what u want Sakky , but if I achieved heavy air, I ussually win this matchup....thats all .
ITS HAMMER TIME:D
true. orc usually is in really easy position to make heavy damage while harassing, and if human is caught teching, orc usually has more army, + orc is fighting with grunts, which really have no real melee counter by anyrace till tier3. when FS gets just a bit bigger level, chain then throwing wolves, then again chain on militia = hard damage to human base. but, its like elf dryards and bears against human. thats why orc simply doesnt allow human to get it. i know also bears +dryards make elf winner in most of games, but elf isnt in good position against human at all. its same in orc vs human matchup. and all people know that. just try to make hard damage to elf, and u ll be able to handle that..... and its obvious that orc can make harddamage pretty easy to human base, especially when game moves on.
Terrorboy
11-04-2004, 08:49
Ok in this patch I have serious problem vs UD, which goes cryptlord next DK and going in mass destroyers and abomination. With deathcoil and deathpact they heroes are even immortals and he is ussually able tech to these units....what should I do ? 2 barracks and mass rifles 2/2?and mass priests?
MaN-O-WaR
11-04-2004, 12:25
Lolz u have same problem as me :/
Playing against UD u need to rush (know its hard, but if he ownz u with DK its gg, coz u cant see what units he is producing) and make final strike on t2. Few mortars should help rifles + sorc. If UD goes in abo + destro tactic he ALWAYS make minimum 3-4 towers, so build one arcane and workshop on t2, recruit 2-3 mortars and destroy his base building by building keeping your army out of his tower range.
Btw if u let him go in destro + abo its usually gg :(
Knights without caster support << abos
rifles < destros
and ****ed combo nova + coil :(
Terrorboy
11-04-2004, 13:19
Also mortars are non-mechanical units. its good, but no vs UD becoz nova/imaple/coil. they should do destroyers no immune to magic:D it will be equal chances.
brain-o-man
11-04-2004, 13:35
Originally posted by Terrorboy
Ok in this patch I have serious problem vs UD, which goes cryptlord next DK and going in mass destroyers and abomination. With deathcoil and deathpact they heroes are even immortals and he is ussually able tech to these units....what should I do ? 2 barracks and mass rifles 2/2?and mass priests?
try first mk,bolt souround in start ,later u can take paladin,and u can focus on crypt lord,then bolt dk,and kill Cl,or just bolt souround dk,its realy imbalanced strat if u learn how 2 use it right;)
and with paladin ur heroes are even immortals 2:)
Terrorboy
11-04-2004, 17:46
I played similar strategy: pall next MK but I leave it. Why? becoz no mana....UD has statue which give them mana. Hmmm, I am little addicted from brillance aura actually:)
brain-o-man
11-04-2004, 18:50
hehe i know most hu are adicrted to it
but i am telling u,the man who won last largest tournament in serbia,owned them all with mk first,bolt souround realy imba:(
TheDarkWarlock
11-04-2004, 19:34
mk good with gr8 micro
otherwise i think pal is better (saves ur am and units)
vs undead paladin is even better than normal so paladin is my second hero vs undead for sure (and in team games with u can save ur ally heroes too)
whatever anyone says, i know what is the best choice generally for human. MK surround. ok. i saw replayswhere elf loses against human going MK, but simply i (and every other human players) know elfis having hard time against AM, MK is used just becauseof stun against heroes when theytry to run awaywith half hps. bolt + focus is real time threat for elf.
generally things which human should NOT allow:
efl teching to bears+ few dryards. going DH to annoy and getting naga witch as second. if elf gets bears with demon, u are so screwed.
UD = tech to lich to retake advantage which human has during tier1. on tier3 ..... well fast tech which human generally CANT stop if UD is good, destos+melee+ 3 hero combo (DK, lich CL) and statues to heal mana and hps. human real time pain.
orc. what can i say? just grunts catas, few shamans to purge heroes...... u are seriously owning everything human has xcept gryphons... well just u all know that human base defences are so bad against orc, so u cant techlike UD does against human.... and human gryph strat needs a LOT of time, much more than elfbears, since elf needsonly upgrade bears, andu need to mass units then....
mirror. hmmm, breakers find purpose here, verygood purpose. priests always kept good. good mixed army of ranged + melee (knights). if other human goes gryphon tech, get hawks.
Terrorboy
11-06-2004, 09:19
vs human: patrol at FE. If u dont do it, and your enemy do, you can be in real pain:)
[1]kaiser
11-15-2004, 16:24
hmm... humans are strong so please stop crying
Terrorboy
11-15-2004, 17:40
no one crying, man...only Sakky, but everyone is used to it:p
pff, i dont see humans weakest but UD. yet u all can stfu about human overpowered, because even apm70 considers human weakest generally. and he is elf player. most of gosu players will say human is generally weakest, so much how its owepowered. but i talk about average game, not all ppl can be gosus, and generally orc is there having even MORE advantage. although orc isnt considered strongest but second, orc is certainly found as best for average players and that type of gaming where players arent having almost ideal game play.
game is balanced for solo, and all races are almost equal in general, but some matchups require something msot of average players DONT have. and even gosus consider speed scrol as riuner of all micro they tend to have. so much about its balanced, and i say again its NOT used for puling back after loss in battle but for OFFENCE! and it wasnt its purpose 100%.
face strat against average player, not some noob, or ppl when u host game, and u ll see what is all about.
Terrorboy
11-16-2004, 23:28
Sakky whats your nick on xpam??? I wanna see your imba in practise;) My account is: OMG, i w8 for you!
hehe. then meet me in human mirror:) i ll come now immediatelly. i ll contact u:) time 0:20 pm. coming:D
Terrorboy
11-17-2004, 08:45
too late I was sleeping^^I only intereting you nick, becoz i never saw some1 nick "sakky" or similar;)
oh, did i say i dont play with such nick?:) ofcourse, i play under other nick. and i m just a happy gamer:D
Terrorboy
11-17-2004, 14:29
ok, if there so big secret then ok:D
Terrorboy
11-25-2004, 22:57
What are best map for humans and why? OFC Human Temple. Is Plunder Isle good map? (you can expand fast but enemy can stop it and he knows where u started).
brain-o-man
11-25-2004, 23:15
plunder isle is orc map imo :P,try 2 do fe vs orc:) on that map..
Terrorboy
11-26-2004, 01:16
so what are best humans maps
TheDarkWarlock
11-26-2004, 17:41
lol u r realy asking this? i thouth u r better...
lost temple is The Humen map
if u good player the enemy cant stop your expand
all u need is 2 foot, 1 arch, 4-5 milita and u got exp with no dammage to your army
Terrorboy
11-26-2004, 18:27
damn you! I ask about other maps becoz I wanna show opinions..I wrote about lost temple...
OFC Human Temple
and i am still learning man, i play only 6 months, not much time like some people, ok?
PS: my account is OMG u may check it...its not so bad:)
Demonhide_PT
11-26-2004, 22:05
:p and the other account was deleted!! not for cheating but for bug!! and it was good as well...
Terrorboy
11-27-2004, 01:14
bah....I ask becoz I wanna learn something from peoples better then me:)
Originally posted by TheDarkWarlock
lol u r realy asking this? i thouth u r better...
lost temple is The Humen map
if u good player the enemy cant stop your expand
all u need is 2 foot, 1 arch, 4-5 milita and u got exp with no dammage to your army
yes, if u play on your host on xpam. try exping like so ong battle,net where enemy isnt lagged by something. i even stop "cross map" exp in LT, because most of humans are obvious in their intentions, especially when u see no scout.... they save all possible time lumber which they can get by having peasants lumbering for exp. when u face fast exp couple of times, u already can know pretty easy if enemy goes exping or not. fast exp is allways counterable in ANY map, its for sure. but one thing, human establishing exps in short time forces enemy to scout. or to rush u all the time in game like orc does. i see LT is not only good for huma nexping but for all race exps. orc is only race bad in that position. they rush to stop other ppl exping then.
TheDarkWarlock
11-27-2004, 23:36
sry terror but i didnt read all this long thread ^^
for sakky- no, i dont agree
humen have milita near to help if need
u can built footmans all the time and still have a very fast exp (in lost temple)
footman+militia+am
no
if u make this good no 1 can stop u
before several month ago i thouth like u, but then i learn to do this fe with no damage very quickly and since then no1 stop my fe in lost temple
for all- if u play vs me in lt i 99% make fe. try to stop me :)
Terrorboy
11-27-2004, 23:57
TheDarkWarlock napisał(a)
sry terror but i didnt read all this long thread ^^
for sakky- no, i dont agree
humen have milita near to help if need
u can built footmans all the time and still have a very fast exp (in lost temple)
footman+militia+am
no
if u make this good no 1 can stop u
before several month ago i thouth like u, but then i learn to do this fe with no damage very quickly and since then no1 stop my fe in lost temple
for all- if u play vs me in lt i 99% make fe. try to stop me :) true, I saw lots of gosus replays (what u like Sakky talking about) and FE was alwyas done. I also ussually done it.
brain-o-man
11-28-2004, 04:18
Originally posted by sakky
i see LT is not only good for huma nexping but for all race exps. orc is only race bad in that position. they rush to stop other ppl exping then.
or just never play it in solo........
Originally posted by TheDarkWarlock
sry terror but i didnt read all this long thread ^^
for sakky- no, i dont agree
humen have milita near to help if need
u can built footmans all the time and still have a very fast exp (in lost temple)
footman+militia+am
no
if u make this good no 1 can stop u
before several month ago i thouth like u, but then i learn to do this fe with no damage very quickly and since then no1 stop my fe in lost temple
for all- if u play vs me in lt i 99% make fe. try to stop me :)
yes? well u know the best. i wont comment anymore.
btw, u can see human mirrors where human exps, other one rushes. and still that one which was exping (i dont tell other one doesnt exps at all) is found losing in much cases. u can see fatc exping all the time. on all maps. yet u can find him losing even after he "defended" himself sucessfully against rush on exp point. u ll human players losing because opponent comes with 2nd hero. and u dont forget that calling militia from main base prevents u from teching fast, no lumber. well, thx for telling what u do all the time. just have in mind that creepjacking is invented because soem smart people figured out whic hcamps are possible to creep and what will enemy do. and creepjacking of your enemy wont get him win instantly, but u ll figure out what happens after, in the game..... cya
Terrorboy
12-01-2004, 19:31
Wait a moment Sakky....if you do FE succesfully notice u can towered in base, becoz you have lots a gold and wood....research architecture and your base has good defend...no mass-militia need:D Also you can build much bigger army with fullupgrades from 6 raxs for example:) Nice...? If it is done I think you have advantage....problem is, if it is stopped or breaked....then you waste time, resources and units:(
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