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straider
04-25-2007, 21:35
Hi guys,

the term i would to introduce is "MapControll". Maybe u know it, possiblly not, so at the start a little explanation: We could the term MapControll understand as the way how to prevent beeing ganked on your line at the early phases of the game, to coordinate team ganks and to prepare traps and to prevent them in the rest of the game.

The question is how to do this?

And the answer?

Wards!
Uniqe hero abilities, like watschers, eyes of the forest, rexxar's hawk, visages revenants, even miranas "target stun"
Map hacking (Not recommendet)

But i came here to have a speach of "warding" so lets concentrate on this chapter.

The basics are having a good comprendium about the powerups and the mooving between the lines in the early game.

http://www.eurobattle.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=46617&d=1177006863

In the few games i have played this style of placing wards on the left side of the river is used the most .. but its a optimum utilization. U have anice sight on the rune, but if you are on the sentinels side you would surely have a sight on the creep spot behind and a part of the path wouldnt you? And also scourge players would like to see if a intruder is attempting to gank you, even if he is not comming from the riwer ...
Then the question you would ask is ..
How to do it better?

This way :http://www.eurobattle.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=46618&d=1177006877

Ok, so we managed to have a nice basic MapControll on the left side , so let us move on to the right side, the side which was in the recent wersions a bit changed.

In the past week i found a nice place for the ward and i wouldlike to share it with you! :thumbUP:

Ok so here is it:

http://www.eurobattle.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=47436&d=1177525550


Ok so there we have it, a small comment for this image .. As u can see from this ppont of the map you can see the entire roshan area .. (not him self, thats a bit far) but its sufficient because you can see the enemy aproaching roshan and then ... yea u know what to do after ;).
The next plus of this placement is that you can see the next sentinel spot! And thats realy feetch.

For now i would close this.. i got prepared some advanced placement screen shots, but i got to take few more to compleet this and i dont think that this post has much more space left coz of the relatively big sized screens.

Anyway, I hope that all of you found something new/interesting.

And dont forget! MapControll is a important part of a good game, it can tilt the scales for you ;)

Oki guys, so see you soon, and please keep in mind, dont start flaming, pointless arguing. I would be even though happy for your feedback !

EDIT:omg when i did that the screens were here not just the links ffs

imaginary
04-25-2007, 22:15
Ok this gets sticky,its what i wanted to see about wards,there are a lot more places to put wards but i guess u could complete it later on?
For basic its good.
So i wont close this,but pls anyone who wants to post here post ONLY stuff relative to the thread topic,with or without more screenshots.
I dont wanna see chit chats and i wont tolerate any.

MockingBird
04-25-2007, 22:35
Aye aye! i give you my word i wont spam here.
Maybe you can place wards in the middle of 2 towers, one the enemies tower, one you'r allies tower. If thats what you're talking about. To controll the woods, just place them where the roads cross.

straider
04-25-2007, 22:40
All will come in the next post .. :) the advanced wards placing. Neutrals, mid lane ownage, few tricks .. i just need to finish my exams :P

Artificial
04-25-2007, 23:40
wow
gj straido
as I mentioned somewhere I'm nub at wards and I rarely buy them :p
gj
I'm eager to see the advanced ward placing :)

Bonzy
04-26-2007, 01:23
gj for u arty too soon ull have over 2000 posts ftw!

keep up the good work straido :D

OMGBergrush
04-26-2007, 04:23
as I mentioned somewhere I'm nub at wards and I rarely buy them :p

thats because you are always too busy creeping neutrals in the woods

Emperor Tiber
04-26-2007, 13:01
LoL, who needs wards when you have mh???

Joking, nice thread.

Artificial
04-26-2007, 14:41
thats because you are always too busy creeping neutrals in the woods
aha
but I buy them sometimes(when mh doesnt work :laugh: ) and place them nubsih
so gogo straido faster I wanna see :)

Terz
05-15-2007, 12:06
Wards sux!!!
Be ganked Rox!!! (Well, because when ppl come gank me, i kill 'em all :thumbUP: :thumbUP: :thumbUP: )

Jk... as my chief say: "Wanna win? Buy wards"

BB:beer:

amirasfa
06-23-2007, 10:19
any continuation for this topic straider?just score only 2.2...no need to go more than that...for heaven we live,for dota we kill..hehe

topaz85
06-26-2007, 20:48
i just love wards killing heh spider sits under his net positive about he's "unhittable" laughs at us and then i come in with wards place them near and start to hit the bastard ALMOST EVERYTIME dude stands still for few hits/seconds and is too amazed to do anything but stare stupiditly and watch as we kick his silky-web ass.
Almost every invisible hero is quite shocked when wanders around and gets hits while he thinks hes invisible (smthg like WTF!?) and knows no1 in opp team has gem...WTF? JUST WARDS :P

And yes its a great strategic/tactial advantage to know what's happening all over the map so tree-man pls rip yer eye out and place it on a tree :D

imaginary
06-26-2007, 21:53
lmost every invisible hero is quite shocked when wanders around and gets hits while he thinks hes invisible (smthg like WTF!?) and knows no1 in opp team has gem...WTF? JUST WARDS :P
Thats why especially when playin with riki (permanent invisibility) u can scout sometimes on paths when there is no enemy hero but enemy creeps passin by,if they attack u they got ward,if not its free continue scoutin etc

VengefulSpammer
08-09-2007, 17:37
check this one :)

Sucre
08-13-2007, 15:13
I would like an explanation of this one. Sorry, but I don't know how would that ward help :P

While we're at wards (lol), when I was playing a game, one guy told me (in a context) that a place near the centaur statue very near the sentinel base, which is very high and very small was the best ward place back in some versions. Now you can place a ward there also, but you have to reveal it first (mybe with Mirana's jump, arrow, or maybe with the crow currier). I just want to know why was that place so popular for wards (not that it's a fact, but i believe that guy).

DotA-ap5v5blon
08-13-2007, 15:19
try it in single and you will realize :)

Sucre
08-15-2007, 17:43
Ok, I'll do that.

-Riki-
08-18-2007, 17:27
Good work, very usefull.

amirasfa
08-25-2007, 09:58
the map show all place that u suppose to put ward..but could u tell somemore about time to put and which char that suppose to put the ward..tq.. i already knew this but want to know new ideas from europe guys^^

Krimzon Guard
09-01-2007, 22:03
OK I'm a Europe Guy. You should place Observer Wards (200) in places where heroes pass a lot. That way you can view the whole map. You should place Sentry Wards (200) When playing against:

Nerubian Weaver
Stealth Assassin
Treant Protector (Place Ward near Trees)
Phantom Lancer (Although a Gem would be better)
Templar Assassin
Priestess of the Moon
Sand King (only when he casts "Sandstorm" - place it in the dirt)

Silver.
09-17-2007, 20:47
Wards are meant to be used to spy the enemy :) at least that`s my opinion and i put the wards in the woods and in water :) especially at night ^^

straider
09-19-2007, 16:08
I would like an explanation of this one. Sorry, but I don't know how would that ward help :P

While we're at wards (lol), when I was playing a game, one guy told me (in a context) that a place near the centaur statue very near the sentinel base, which is very high and very small was the best ward place back in some versions. Now you can place a ward there also, but you have to reveal it first (mybe with Mirana's jump, arrow, or maybe with the crow currier). I just want to know why was that place so popular for wards (not that it's a fact, but i believe that guy).

Yep you can wardthat spot, and you dont even need to scout it, but its usefull only (or mostly) for scourge as you get the wision of the twostart creep spots of the sentinels, the way how to place the is , you go north from the place the second sentinel tower is and you comme to a hill, just click on the top and there you go.

-eXtasY-
09-26-2007, 15:00
here it is, you do not need to explore it first...

Ogi.
11-12-2007, 11:06
Good items for magina u got there , extasy : )
On topic - I` d like detailed explanation of how to prevent neutral creeps from spawning with wards? For preventing chen of taking good neutrals or rexxar and terrorblade from jungling. Can it be done with one ward for 2+ spots , or you must place 1 ward for each spot? Some screen with good placing would be good. Ty

SetoKaiba
11-13-2007, 00:18
On topic - I` d like detailed explanation of how to prevent neutral creeps from spawning with wards?Place ward near creap spawn. Just try to catch some area around for map control. Can it be done with one ward for 2+ spots , or you must place 1 ward for each spot?as far as i know only on 2 places you can stop 2 creep spawns with 1 ward as for others one ward for one spawn.

i had picture somewhere which shows exacly area of each creep spawn which is helpfull for both creep respawning for junge heroes or ward placement but cant find it.. maybe later.

btw those pics shows wards for 2 creep spawns.

just][meE
05-21-2008, 21:41
old stuff dude.. :) but preety nice