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imaginary

02-07-2007, 20:36

In order to stop openin threads askin for help on heroes items n so on,here u are.
Wanna know what items to get on Obsidian destroyer?
Ask and discuss here
Wanna know what skills build is better on Maiden for cws?
Ask and discuss here
Wanna know what are the best items for a total support Necrolyte?
Ask n discuss here
Wanna know what skills should u max out first on Lich?
Ask and discuss here
ANYTHIN U wanna ask regardin items or skill builds on any hero,ASK AND DISCUSS HERE
(By skills i mean the hero spells active or passive,also the stats attributes bonus)
DONT open new threads about best items on a hero anymore,ask it HERE.
For last..
Pls do NOT mix discussions,dont start askin for 3-4 or howmany other heroes before someone who asked about particular hero didnt get covered through some answers.
Also,any out of topic talks,posts that dont relate to the topic or to the questions/requests that will come,WILL get deleted.
Ppl who have to ask somethin,keep it simple(dont ask like what should i build on naix balanar traxex sven bone leoric blabla all,keep it SHORT)
Ppl who wanna answer/discuss each time,pls stick to replyin to the questions/requests only,dont make other comments that can lead to chit chat sessions..

Artificial

02-07-2007, 20:39

What are the best items for Dazzle?
Help :smile3:

Adone

02-07-2007, 20:44

I would get Dazzle meka/guinsoo/dagon and some dmging items like MKB/burize and some at speed cos he has cool base dmg and can reduce too much armor.Good for support and dmging.Up to you to choose the style.

UndeadMaN

02-07-2007, 20:52

For dazzle first i make hex then critical and then mkb

-eXtasY-

02-07-2007, 21:07

hmm dazzle is hero with grait base dmg and healing/dmging wave... you can easy get good items. First i make 2 bracers + meka because he's low hp hero... then make radince so you can imba creep.. i prefer to play with him as dmg, killer so make skadi to get imba slowing, killing abillity coz of armour reduction and hes slow as magic... later guinsoo and necromancion and you can kill any1 anywhere :music:

Artanthos

02-07-2007, 21:17

Dazzle has 1 imba cheater skill. Just write "-repick".
But seriously he is support hero, so buy him meka, hex, then maybe sth selfish. :P And bracers at begining cause of so low hp.

MrTuti

02-07-2007, 23:34

in stead of bracer i'd go for vanguard which is realy helpfull especially in em games...then lifesteal and dmg

Artanthos

02-07-2007, 23:36

Ok vanguard can be, but lifesteal with this support hero? I'd say In pubs only...
And em - No way.

MrTuti

02-07-2007, 23:38

i was turnung him into a killer cuz with the vanguard u get hp/regen/chance to rezist dmg and with the slow u can not let enemies escape...and with he huge base dmg and eaven more dmg items u can realy hurt ppl

Artanthos

02-07-2007, 23:43

Maybe you can hurt, but there are many better killers. It's like making high dmg on centaur. You can buy dmg items but still there will be better "natural born" killer like PA, razor etc. And in balanced team u need some support with heal/disable.

Edit: For sure i won't. But im talking about ar privs.

MrTuti

02-07-2007, 23:44

as u said earlier....its a build for public games....idk if u'd ever choose him in a clan war

straider

02-08-2007, 09:59

What are the best items for Dazzle?
Help :smile3:
hh funny joke xD
but nvm, some base stg (bracers (amount i leave to you .. depends))
then go for eul, hex is not neccery (now). Get some dmg= radi, mkb, SKADI(i prefer) then, i would go imba necrominion and upg. hex. and gg

[GR]Achilles

02-08-2007, 11:54

Dazzle is a support/healer hero.is definitely not a killer/hunter.i play him with arcane,BoT,vanguard,guinsoo,skadi.in this particular order.and if very late game,heart.
Dazzle was imba for clan matches(especially after level 16) before the update in 6,40.

Fleming

02-08-2007, 14:37

what items should i buy for rexxar

Bonzy

02-08-2007, 14:47

i prefer to buy BoT , 2 nulls for mana so u can spamm with axes , MoM , S&Y...

there are other choices like battlefury or skadi or even radiance witch i dont prefer...

Dante999

02-08-2007, 14:58

what items should i buy for rexxar

This hero is very nice...i'm glad u asked this question...but i believe more important then items...are skillz...i ussually max first and second and ulti...then i go third or stats(ussually stats)...about items...if u control the lane(with help of an ranged ally maybe...or even allone) try to go relic or travell before u make first trip to base...its not very hard (with relic u will do radiance...its very nice for farming)...:)...if u dont controll...go 2 bracers and bassilius...then travel...then sange and yasha(or tarasque)..then tarasque..then tarasque...then tarasque(as manny tarasque as u can get..ofc u will sell bracers)...thats it....

Btw...please try to play with second skill...it is very useful for u and your team...
Good day

Fleming

02-08-2007, 18:15

thanks for your help about rexxar, but there are a lot of heroes that i like but dont know what items i should buy ... for example rogue knight, lone druid, treant prot., ursa

Vitez Koja

02-08-2007, 18:47

for rexxar you buy S&Y,tarasque,monkey king bar,satanic,...

straider

02-08-2007, 18:57

rexar is also nice with something like necro, but then he needs good micro, after necro, get tarasq and then it depends

-eXtasY-

02-09-2007, 00:37

Well i dont agree with some posts like s&y and satanik or no third spell..
whell this is harass, killer so take only two levels of second spell to get pig with slow stings and boost fist and third. Third works grait with slowing.
First thing for him is arcane ring because he has the longest range nuke, grait for creeping and harass.... i usaully go for relic just after arcane (i only buy tangos for healing no regen needed beacause of high str). with good micro is easy to get relic... of you dont get it until 30 min its quite useless to go on radiance.. i just like s&y on him, later make hart and vladimirs....
And im w8-ing for some1 to say boost second spell coz of observing bird... If you think that you are pro obs wards muct be grait part of your game everytime so you rly dont need other revealings...

OMGBergrush

02-09-2007, 02:05

DiabIo;499698']And im w8-ing for some1 to say boost second spell coz of observing bird... If you think that you are pro obs wards muct be grait part of your game everytime so you rly dont need other revealings...

are you saying that i should forgo the free, fast moving, observer ward with which you get a bonus slowing damaging pig and instead buy the 215/375 gold stationary 3 charge inventory consuming ward?

H3ndriX-pt

02-09-2007, 07:05

are you saying that i should forgo the free, fast moving, observer ward with which you get a bonus slowing damaging pig and instead buy the 215/375 gold stationary 3 charge inventory consuming ward?

:E

rexxar = necro+dominator

Dante999

02-09-2007, 08:15

DiabIo;499698']Well i dont agree with some posts like s&y and satanik or no third spell..
whell this is harass, killer so take only two levels of second spell to get pig with slow stings and boost fist and third. Third works grait with slowing.
First thing for him is arcane ring because he has the longest range nuke, grait for creeping and harass.... i usaully go for relic just after arcane (i only buy tangos for healing no regen needed beacause of high str). with good micro is easy to get relic... of you dont get it until 30 min its quite useless to go on radiance.. i just like s&y on him, later make hart and vladimirs....
And im w8-ing for some1 to say boost second spell coz of observing bird... If you think that you are pro obs wards muct be grait part of your game everytime so you rly dont need other revealings...

I didnt write s and y and satanics.....and i wrote third spell after first,second and ulty....i max second cause of more radius view and more slow from little piggy...i agree that if u dont farm relic fast enough ..radiance becomes kind of usless..thats why i wrote travel...sange and yasha or tarasque...then many tarasques...1 tarasque is good...2 tarasque is imba....3 tarasque-u dance around and wait half an hour to be killed:)....Btw...i go atributes and not 3 skill to have bigger mana pool so i wont need to make arcane ring or someother mana regen artifact....let arcane ring be done by intelll...u are strenght..u need to tank...this is your role...u are not suport...u are not damage dealler....u are TANK
Good day

Sick

02-09-2007, 09:33

And what an imba tank still the imba from 4/4 sent team ,Rexxar in pubz is easy to play u can go crazy with him with few artefacts,if u are against leoric or a str that needs his mana bad then u can go necro if not don't it's a big waste of money ,in cws all u need is bot and 2 bracers/null than heart indeed for tanking ,his imba ulti remains even the summoned things had been a lil nerfed.
For Rogue Knight : 3 Bracers ,Bot, BattleFury ,Mom,black king bar! If u don't like battlefurry/mom u can just go satanic/hyper /aegis /more dmg.I ussualy make a perseverence on him early on lane because i need that regen badly ,u usualy go with him in the lane near the secret shop, In team fights if u avatar ,mom ,ulti you will be unstopabale and with battlefury u can get triple easy ,the avatar stop the extra dmg taken from mom berzeker mod.
For Treant :Dmg dealer : RAdiance ,Mom ,Treads,in this order.
For suport:Fast Refresher ,at lvl 16 ,u will need 7 points in stats just to cast double ulti or get some mana pool item ,use just one point in nature guise ,and max natural armour let the eyes after (i hate them after the nerf ).
For Sylla Bear : Treads on bear ,if u get a hyper stone for the bear than u must buy him a basher too.ON you dmg (butterfly/mkb/radiance/and bot+satanic).
For ursa warrior.Bot and heart,heart ,heart ,heart ,heart. U can buy a lothar too but wards can counter it too easy ,if not buy him an yasha and a butterfly for extra speed ,dmg ,atack speed and tanking capabilty and then hots ,yep i play him like a tank dmg dealer.IN pubz against nubz lothar is good for ganging.
PS i tend to get Boots of Travel(bot) on every hero if u think is not necesary dont do it :P .

imaginary

02-09-2007, 13:10

I said one hero discussion at a time,dont mix it up now.I should have deleted that multiple request on the first place,my bad.

[Kx7]Shaman

02-09-2007, 13:14

hi all..

i'am noob at dota and i have some questions..

1) What items i should buy for vengeful spirit ??

2) Is Lifesteal good for strengh hero ?? ( helm of dominator -> demonic later)

btw.. i always buy for vengeful s&y , lothar axe, buriza, butterfly ( if i have a lot of money) It is good combinations ?? Pls just answer.. as i said.. i'am noob

imaginary

02-09-2007, 13:36

Moved..
Plz,oh PLZ check next time if there is a thread for such topics already!
Its not HARD to do really!

1) For venge most typical build is go dmg
I play her with stun(max out)+stats early till lvl 9 when i start gettin dmg aura + stats again.Ofc ulti normally on 6-11-16.
S & Y is not needed if u pick stats as much as i do,so lothars first,then continues with dmg burize or MKB..
Deso works with her terror,if u wanna go terror early..deso is good.
If u dont pick much stats,u can go S & Y its an overall good item anyway.
If u play pubs only,then go with her dmg aura from early if u like..
Last item i would build either butterfly or a heart of tarrasque.
As for boots,in pub go treads..in cw,probably travel.
For startin item u can get a basilus,mana regen for ur stun,and a few or many tangos.

2) Lifesteal is good on str heroes on one hand cause satanic is a str heroes recipie,but on the other hand lifesteal works better with high dmg n high agi/att.speed,so on agi heroes it makes a real difference(troll best example).
But yes its good for str heroes too..
Carefull though cause lifesteal is an orb effect.

Sick

02-09-2007, 13:41

I said one hero discussion at a time,dont mix it up now.I should have deleted that multiple request on the first place,my bad.

Sorry i tryed to help as ordonated as i could.

[Kx7]Shaman

02-09-2007, 21:56

What item i should buy for vengeful spirit ??

Is lifesteal good for strengh hero ?? (helm of dominator and later demonic)

[Kx7]Shaman

02-09-2007, 22:00

sry for spaming forum... i'am idiot.. i didn't saw your reply.. thx imaginary :)

H3ndriX-pt

02-09-2007, 22:09

basically, almost any item works fine on venge

just make sure that if u wanna go lifesteal u already have some high dps (like mkb, buriza,etc..) and there isnt much disablers, or that u have bkb if so :O

anyway when i have venge i usually try to make game short, unless i am playing some pub and know my team is retard :tiphat:

Angel_nic

02-15-2007, 10:19

omg satanic to rexar?no no S&Y,1 basher,[vlasimirs offer],tarasque and monkey.

well now about venge,i buy 2bracers,lothar edge,then desolator and butterfly.at this time anything ends.

Ronsaki

02-16-2007, 10:53

Night stalker, balanar heart or satanic?

buriza or mkb

BoT?

imaginary

02-16-2007, 12:22

Between heart or satanic,for bala definately satanic.
Between burize or mkb,burize..
BoT no need,unless its team-needed/needed for the game,if ur less etc

-Riki-

03-18-2007, 14:11

Night stalker, balanar heart or satanic?

buriza or mkb

BoT?

heart & satanic both, and make some bash insted of mkb\buriza.
what's the bot for?!
you'll get the max ms at the night, with pt.

cutter007

03-18-2007, 20:32

for balanar i normally use pt,MOM,basher,bkb,burize and satanic

btw, did u try refresher on him?

-Riki-

03-18-2007, 21:34

Big waste..

imaginary

03-19-2007, 01:43

Refresher on balanar omg totally ROFL i gotta try this on my stupid nonsense builds(remember antimage with dagon-dagger-refresher replay;PP)

-Riki-

03-19-2007, 09:10

heheh stupid idea, ah?

amirasfa

03-20-2007, 06:47

er..how to use notrom?i mean the item,and the cast..i think he abilities are kinda stuid.erm,maybe coz im still noob.somebody plss...how to change him into fearless killer?:pet:

-Riki-

03-20-2007, 12:54

He is already fearless killer !

Trait

03-20-2007, 16:01

He is already fearless killer !

Silencer is strong, I think,sometimes he is the one who plays the decisive role in teambattle-ulti. :tiphat: I usually go meka first,then bracers(optional) or Midas(optional), and Guinsoo. Before 6.42 the next item was Aegis but now... Cuirass?Dunno, I haven´t tried it yet
EDIT:yeah,I forgot BoT,for skillbuild,I think Glaives/stats is the way to go as it was already said.

-Riki-

03-20-2007, 16:17

Silencer is strong, I think,sometimes he is the one who plays the decisive role in teambattle-ulti. :tiphat: I usually go meka first,then bracers(optional) or Midas(optional), and Guinsoo. Before 6.42 the next item was Aegis but now... Cuirass?Dunno, I haven´t tried it yet

Yeah, this build owns.. Try also BoT if you're a teamplayer enought :)

imaginary

03-20-2007, 18:09

-Riki-

03-20-2007, 20:02

And because he asked for skillsbuild too,for cws u go stats + glaives,glaives are easy to use what do u not understand in them? U can use them to harass early usin the skill hotkey,click the hotkey and then ur opponent,once in a while with ur range u can harass good.Btw silencer is prolly a solo hero,well u will only need to practise a bit on ur farm so u can get those items fast.If u learn how to last hit/deny u will find it rather easy farmin with him.
So for cws,go stats + glaives,one point on his silence aura skill early,ulti ofc normally on 6-11-16,and NO curse at all.
Point is to raise some hp with stats cause he's very weak in hp,and farm asap euls-guinsoo which gives a free kill everytime u hex someone(provided that u farmed well,and ur opponents didnt get ImbA -_-)
In pubs do whatever u want,go curse against NaBz;P

I disagree with this part "and NO curse at all."
Curse is a pretty imba skill for early lvls, if you'r not such a noob u will survive without stats.. and every curse will give u lot of farming time, depends agains whom.
if u play against str\agi hero u will own the lane, and if u play aganist int, just kick his low hp ass.
That's the way it goes.. If you think its foolish move to use Curse, that;s your own problem.

Artificial

03-20-2007, 21:47

Heh
so many games with silencer pawning but unfortunately they are all in cafe -.-
anyway
I have big experience with silencer and about this should you play 1st spell
hmm...
After lot of thinking I think it's better as imaginary said stats + glaive
because in early game you should concentrate on farming not on hero killing...
and after 12-13 lvl the curse is useless...
also it depends on th enemies
but still
glaive + stats is better

imaginary

03-21-2007, 00:58

I said in cws Riki,in cw u will be solo mid(logically thinkin) against Lich or Viper,aye maybe a Warlock as modern..Silencer should have prob with all 3 of those,Lich after the range nerf is not such prob u would be NaB if u dont hit him more than he will(apart from novas),but Viper is ImbA solo and Warlock is n/c ImbA natural hp and heal,too hard to hurt,plus all three have easy spells to make curse useless,the moment they get it they can cast it out with actually no costs.
And goin too much stats,like only stats and glaives benefits great in hp,plus in his intel-dmg as well.So u can skip the couple bracers as well.For me the absolutely necessary items are only meka and euls-guinsoo.Midas is good if u farm it too too early,and use it on the neutrals camp as well.Bracers are good but not if u dont farm too well,skip the 1k gold they cost.His silence aura is good for ganks and team ganks,but 1 lvl for starters is good enough.
If u farm guinsoo early enough,in team gank just global and pwn,u will be gettin a 100% kill to each opponent u hex.

Alt_F4

03-23-2007, 19:48

Hi, i wanna now what itens is better on Troll warlord in the beggining and late game,thanks.

lebron_james

03-24-2007, 03:11

early items 5 circlets..late items last level dagon.

-Riki-

03-24-2007, 03:21

Dagon last lvl?! big waste.

amirasfa

03-24-2007, 08:36

yeah.. i think use dagon at last lvl is kinda waste,but when be thinking again.it is kinda usefull...so why u said that it was such waste riki?do i just attck the enemy continuesly?

lebron_james

03-24-2007, 12:00

sry guys i was joking..the late items need for sure is mkb and lifesteal.early items could be some gounglets of strenth, boots > treads..
2 gaunglets ..need some stats doing..boots =>lifesteal..=>mask of madness or that other lifesteal :D => treads => bkb.. can buy that spell reduction new item for hp and resistence..
well...if you gona play long game first items should be midas and circlets..and that hp trees ...nothing new here i guess :).

Trait

03-24-2007, 15:21

Hi, i wanna now what itens is better on Troll warlord in the beggining and late game,thanks.

For Troll I usually follow one guide I found:Start:RoR+3*Slippers of Agility. Then, if everything goes smoothly,I rush Demon Edge and Boots of Speed. (If not,I get Hand of Midas and Vanguard.)
Then upgrade to Mkb,get lifesteal (not Mask of Madness-since u are a low hp hero and extra dmg taken sux hard and with ulti and Fervor you got a lot of attack spd.)

You can include BKB ofc.Get BoT asap, It is hell of a chase with them. Troll needs movespeed,an again,at lvl 16 you got(with ulti on) +120 AS +30 AS from Fervor.
Therefore, I do not see reason for Power Treads. Yeah,in some games I get PT,but I prefer BoT.You can include BKB ofc.

Then,get whatever you want,except Orb effects that break lifesteal(dunno them by mind,see Orb Eff. table.):happy1:

Kassel

03-25-2007, 06:33

my yurnero build
i start with a sobi and 4 trees to eat
then kill kill kill and buy pt , 2 mkbs 1 bfly 2 basher or maybe 1 basher and lifesteal
why 2 mkb u ask? coz for heroes like anub who have that *** aura that u get 40% dmg back, if mkb gets his 100dmg bonus it does not hurt u, but it helps alot to kill auras like that
or get 1 pt 1 mask of madness and 4 mkbs, u will never belive how fast u can kill one, imagine if all 4 100dmg bonuses come =400dmg + 400 normal dmg or yurneros critical ... = about 1200dmg - 400 dmg coz of armor of other hero, i count 50% = 600 -800 dmg, or at least 400- 600 ... bla bla bla im tired :D

imaginary

03-25-2007, 13:19

Why cant u just be reasonable? In what game did u manage to build ALL 4 mkbs pt and mask of madness?? Probably NEVER,so u dont even know how it is,then DONT talk bs..

Trait

03-25-2007, 13:43

hello,can somebody post here a reasonable build for Visage? A skillbuild would be useful,thx in advance.

amirasfa

03-25-2007, 13:48

yeah..i think it is kinda stupid to get 4MKB..u just strong in damage,not in defense status.beware when u get backstabed.u`ll never live more than 7 second i bet.

back to my questions,why should i use dagon?i use lot of mana,i think linken is quiet ok because it provide mana,health and anti-stun item.how bout that?necessary?

straider

03-25-2007, 14:03

hello,can somebody post here a reasonable build for Visage? A skillbuild would be useful,thx in advance.
u can use many build for this hero cozhe realy one of the most powerfull in the entire game. But (there is a big BUT) u must handle him right.
Firstly u need a solo lane (mid is the best) beware of ganks and nukers.
Buy sentry to prevent ganking. If u are playing against a nuker mass bracers firstly if not go for radiance ...
after radi i would supose HoT is the item to get. BoT ofc (somwhere between)
If u are the one focused and your team isnt that well go fro mekanism. As for sills go for grave chill and the orb one . (but max out grave chill). The pasive one is useless untill u have HoT or some more bracers ...
Always use and take care of your birds. Always max them out and always have them with your (or creep with them the woods).
Some players do use them to spy out the map ... not realy the best way .. rather buy wards coz w/o the birds u are more or less a useless hero.
Hf

straider

03-25-2007, 14:13

Kassel

03-26-2007, 17:17

sure i can get 4mkbs, very fast! yurnero can kill ALL expect anub
u cant imagine how strong the wihlr is
u go in whirl hurt enemy hero, so he dies or retreats
and dont tell me u can avoid this
i ALWAYS hit the other hero some or kill, always! thats like a rule
so he goes heal, free farm for me
u just need a sobi and go whirl stats wihrl till lvl 9 or 10 so u can whirl all the time, even ranged int heroes have no chance against it. so dont tell me im talking bs

Artanthos

03-26-2007, 18:10

Ok, just tell me boy, what would you do against even 1 poor nuker like lich? I will tell you. Even 4x tango dont make diffrence. You just won't be able to farm. And then at your 10 lvl lich will be uberfarmed and for sure better lvl than you. So with this start u can make 4x mkb? BUEHEHE

BTW you know, that in pro games ppl are sticking together? So on your build 1 disabler like rhasta or lion is enough.

straider

03-26-2007, 18:30

so dont tell me im talking bs
ok i wount ...
but someone should do it ;)

OMGBergrush

03-26-2007, 19:21

sure i can get 4mkbs, very fast!

you talk bs

Kassel

03-26-2007, 21:43

lich has absolutly no chance vs yurnero
he has so low hp 1 whirl and he is dead or near dead, he just need to go a step forward out of his tower and he will never see the light again
and im spell imune and have like 1 whirl every minute or less at lvl 6 or 7 or 8 he can feel my ulti and die, even if i need to retread i will be stronger in the end
well a nuker with hex can kill me fast thats true , so in 5v5 try to rush one to death grr hrhrhrhrhrrh

btw we can try it if u want :D
but problem is i have unstable router it kicks me randomly, so it can happen that i dc in game :/

OMGBergrush

03-26-2007, 22:35

ok since you are a noob i will go step by step:
-we come together with creeps
-i have 2 rors [i dont need mana reg as i have dark ritual]
-you either have 2 rors, ror+sobi or ror+2 circlet[if you get boots ill just laugh]
-at any rate you will never have enough mana to do more than 2x whirl
-i give you one nova asap an hit you with 2-3 free shots you can either go back a little having recieved 20-30%dmg or you can start whirl and gotoward me in which case i just go b until whirl dissipates
-you try to creep i hit you
-you try to deny i hit you
-you try to close in on me with whirl i hit you once then retreat
-as soon as you give up chase and go b i start hitting you again
-if you turn for me again i go b and repeat
-if you go further b i slap you with nova and give you another 2-3 free hits while you are chilled

so the result is you have less exp than me, less gold than me, less mana than me and less hope for winning than me. pls try to explain how you are going to beat this method which btw is no uberskill method and any semi decent player can play such a game with lich.

Kassel

03-26-2007, 22:50

u cant hit me and go b when i run at u and try to whirl
when u do 1 shot, its enugh time to get close enough to wihrl
i just can say we can try it.... but for the host its always easier to avoid it coz he has no delay....

imaginary

03-26-2007, 23:23

Ye go play 1 on 1 with ME REF ofc to try this,xD
Kassel write ur srv name ill arrange a game )

lebron_james

03-26-2007, 23:56

there is a simple rule- in 1x1 range>melee. overall in creeping range> melee.
if you will be 2x2 2 range against 2 melee you are out ..believe me :))

darkgh0st

03-27-2007, 00:29

"there is a simple rule- in 1x1 range>melee. overall in creeping range> melee.
"
Are you sure?I mean is there no sugar?LOL man get real.

lebron_james

03-27-2007, 10:43

noob..i had i clan with a player who plays on ihcs now. so stfu noob ?

-Riki-

03-27-2007, 12:46

"there is a simple rule- in 1x1 range>melee. overall in creeping range> melee.
"
Are you sure?I mean is there no sugar?LOL man get real.

ahah keep dreaming... dumb.

Artanthos

03-27-2007, 17:29

noob..i had i clan with a player who plays on ihcs now. so stfu noob ?

JESUS! Can you give me his phone nr. or a pic? PLZPLZPLZ :yupi: :banana: :yupi:

Man, grow up. Even if you are right it's not an argument...

straider

03-28-2007, 12:30

noob..i had i clan with a player who plays on ihcs now. so stfu noob ?
dude don't be a fool, this is just :baby:

lebron_james

03-28-2007, 13:41

omg do i must explain all..if you are melee against range ..you cant creep..if you cant creep you lose.. clear ?

Sick

03-28-2007, 13:41

To be honest i think that in the end yurnero will win ,but only if the skill is same , because yurnero is just soo imba in my opinion ,and lich's range is nerfed ,and remember berg melee get good part of xp from deny and with bf he can get a full creeps wave every 2 creep waves if he makes regen, if he tryes to kill you early he is stupid .
LAte when omni ,boots and some bracers come he will surely kick your ass,but only if he counters atack you and not charge you blindly.
Btw visage is a natural counter for yurnero not lich.

straider

03-28-2007, 14:08

i disagree with both of you. Its more than a male vs. range advantage. Its even more than witsch hero against witsch. Its dota, it has dozens of factors, ganking, using of abilitis. I can post here replays where i pwned wit one mele hero 2 ranged on my lane. I can post here replays how i got owned by a mele hero when i got a ranged one. I can post here replays where we (2 ranged) outcreeped our enemy (2 mele ) that they had at lvl 8 4 lvl diference. Don make statements that are not 100% true.

Sick

03-28-2007, 17:43

chikwet

03-29-2007, 15:20

there is a simple rule- in 1x1 range>melee. overall in creeping range> melee.
if you will be 2x2 2 range against 2 melee you are out ..believe me :))

sorry for bulging in..but its not always like that...:happy1:

i go with straider..me too, i can find/post games where melee can own ranged enemy..but lich vs yurnero? i dont think yurnero has a big chance if both have same level of playing..:ohmy:

OMGBergrush

03-29-2007, 17:13

i dont think yurnero has a big chance if both have same level of playing..:ohmy:
agreed

straider

03-30-2007, 14:22

STFUplzwewheretalkingaboutheronotskillkkthx.
first od all dont ever tell me to stfu coz i will not stfu.
Second i dont care what were u tallking about i think my coment was on topick so if u have any kind of problems use the PM system and dont spam here with your useless arguing.
Third i am relaly not shure but go on repair your keyboard becauze i cant imagine it is working propelly.
Ok summary : Use pm nex time if u have any problems with me!

Sick

03-30-2007, 17:07

Hmm you said that u can post replays when ranged owned and got owned and that's normal lol,you didn't even camed with an real argument or something ...ps don't be so scared i got nothing with you.

@ss@sinu

03-30-2007, 17:55

Depends most on skill not on range or not
But i must admit range has an advantage but a mlee with healing,lifesteal and with some good atack speed can kick ur ass
O yeah and lich vs yurnero lich wins clearly becaus of the nova and the chain
Yurnero will be forced to go to base like hell or use his money on tangos constantly

Thaft

03-31-2007, 18:20

@ss@sinu

03-31-2007, 18:24

make acount and see there at strategies

[Edit by Inovate]: A ban should remeber you the rules? No forum advertising!

SetoKaiba

03-31-2007, 18:51

yeah hopping this wont turn in another xxxx posts argues/spam thread.

basicly u cant get much wrong whatver u take.

Bonzy

03-31-2007, 18:54

Hi, i am nearly new at DotA Allstars and i love and use Sven as a special hero for me. Can you give me some clues about Sven like how to use him, what kinds of things should i buy and what are the best items for him in the game??? Waitin' for your answers. Thank you from now...

...when sven is faster then oponent and can hit him with normal hits he can own from one simple reason: his ultimate... so... firstly i get 2 bracers [for hp and some slightly better mana points[for stuns]] and some heals[i mean ancient tangoo , tree eating] , get boots of speed , then i like to buy him radiance as first strong item... it is realy afective in creeping and it realy makes ur ultimate better cuz of dmg increase... then i get boots of travel to be faster then my oponent so i can chase him down... then u can go for battlefury/satanic because of splash/huge lifesteal when ulti is turned on...

so cuz i see ur begginer ill explain u where can u find items i mentioned:

1.bracer: it is placed in lvl 1 recepy shop[costs 150 gold] and items u need for it are "circlet of noblity"[cost 185 gold] and "gauntlets of strenght"[150 gold] whole item gives 6 strenght , 3 agility , 3 inteligence
2.boots of speed... u must know where it is so no need to explain
3.radiance is a recepy in lvl 4 recepy shop and it costs 1525 as i remember , u need "sacred relic" an item u can find in "secret shop" in woods and its cost is 3800 gold. it gives +60 dmg and 35dmg dealing to everyone around

other items try to find urself , im kinda bored to explain anymore

hope i helped , cheers :)

Sick

03-31-2007, 19:34

MoM = ias/vampiric/movespeed.

-eXtasY-

03-31-2007, 19:39

MoM = ias/vampiric/movespeed.

i agree mom is imba item for swen... make vengard (regen and dmg reduction coz with mom u get more dmg) , bottle (u need mana coz of stuns and 700 is not 2 much), PT, and MoM. With this items you can own middle game and breed for imba items....

Flex Wheeler

03-31-2007, 21:30

Flex Wheeler

03-31-2007, 21:31

DiabIo;523056']i agree mom is imba item for swen... make vengard (regen and dmg reduction coz with mom u get more dmg) , bottle (u need mana coz of stuns and 700 is not 2 much), PT, and MoM. With this items you can own middle game and breed for imba items....

Mask of Madness is not the right item for a new player.

XFIRE

03-31-2007, 21:37

hehe sven pwns ;)

RockNation

03-31-2007, 21:56

There is sticky about where to post if you have a question. Merged.

Flex Wheeler

03-31-2007, 23:08

There is sticky about where to post if you have a question. Merged.

He didn't ask a question.
He asked for a bunch of tips. It takes a whole thread, not just part of it.
You shouldn't have merged it.
Please stop using your moderator abilities just so you could do something.

@ss@sinu

04-01-2007, 16:16

make acount and see there at strategies

[Edit by Inovate]: A ban should remeber you the rules? No forum advertising!

I knew i risked a ban but i was to enthusiats that time ( and a "little"drunk)maybe to enthuthiast (2 drunk)

Alt_F4

04-07-2007, 21:12

ye making 4 mkbs in a game a never sow that before...iaeuhiahehaih....yurnero is not so good with team play i thin cuz his ult dont kill tankers....

Mortred is a good hero everybody knows but she is too week in early game and mid game cuz she dont have HP and critical so good...so what the skillbuilds for her...

no....i dont think if lich make guinsoo and dagon gg... you wont live to do your ULTMATE aiuehaieuauh nb....

[Edit by Inovate]: Try to use edit more often?

RockNation

04-07-2007, 23:18

He didn't ask a question.
He asked for a bunch of tips. It takes a whole thread, not just part of it.
You shouldn't have merged it.
Please stop using your moderator abilities just so you could do something.

Please excuse me Mr. Administrator for using my moderator powers.

Witch_King

04-08-2007, 09:56

SURELY deso for silkwood and any damage items :tiphat:

RockNation

04-08-2007, 11:07

Nah no need for Deso anymore, you can make Butterfly, Mjolnir and Assault, the other items doesn't count :D.

Holycow

04-09-2007, 06:03

Usually a butterfly,deso,mkb,buriza is good enough for silkwood but i prfer to skip buriza and get a divine but its really up to u because wiht dmg items silkwood ulti puts her in bad spots with her low hp.

Cry4Pxls

04-09-2007, 13:33

Heya guys,

I'm quite new to DotA, and I love it though, but I really suck at it...

So, yea, could someone give me some tips/hints/help on how to improve my play-skills?

Thanks in forward,
Cry4Pxls, teh uber nap. :p

AJalex

04-09-2007, 13:37

look on

[Edit by Inovate]: Read rules and you'll know why I removed the link. Cheers :p.

Artificial

04-09-2007, 14:21

play play play
nothing more
really
just play

-eXtasY-

04-09-2007, 14:28

look on

DO NOT ADVERTISE OTHER FORUMS!!! is that too compicate 4 u?

RockNation

04-09-2007, 15:11

Ther is sticky where you can read what you want to know. Moved there.
Also you can download the replays and watch them to see new tactics and ... to learn actualy :D. And don't play against the AI because they are imba stupid.

-Riki-

04-11-2007, 22:17

play play play
nothing more
really
just play

Even you still got somthing to learn for these boys :happy1:

Artanthos

04-11-2007, 22:40

Nah no need for Deso anymore, you can make Butterfly, Mjolnir and Assault, the other items doesn't count :D.

Hmm...
Since vengy is rather team hero (support etc.) with her skills - stun and swap, deso will be way better then mjolnir. Reduce armor will incrase dmg all of ur heroes.

Sick

04-13-2007, 00:35

VEngE=bracer/ward/bracer/bos/bracer/bot/bracer/bkb and ward between, with lot of ganks baahhh.
If u'r playing pubz 6 divines will do the job i think.

Znipper

04-13-2007, 14:03

i'm new around here..i'm from romania.....i want., if it's posible, someone to send me on e-mail all the heros and the items that i must buy them......i'm a bigginer at DOTA....i played only once.....i love this game allready.....i've been wathcing my friends playing it......and i'm fascinated .....pls..if someone could help me....my e-mail is znipper17@yahoo.com my messenger id is znipper17. thx. :read: GL&HF

darkgh0st

04-13-2007, 16:45

-Riki-

04-14-2007, 17:00

You can also train at AI dota, aganist the comp.. that's a realy good way to train it on live time without ruin other's games. hf :)

duchm1995

04-16-2007, 16:31

what should i buy for NaGa

Artificial

04-16-2007, 20:16

I usually go with manta style, butterfly...
for early game 2 wraith bands

straider

04-16-2007, 20:22

bracers, difusal, radi, manta mkb, gg

-Riki-

04-17-2007, 00:38

what items should i buy for rexxar

BoT S&Y HoT Linken Divine Cruiss

sunnis

04-18-2007, 03:35

what should i buy for NaGa

diffusial blade use all 10 charges than go for manta , butterfly , Mkb

-Riki-

04-18-2007, 07:25

bracers, difusal, radi, manta mkb, gg

I've seen even Skadi insted of difusal, and it's pretty imba.:laugh:

straider

04-18-2007, 09:24

I've seen even Skadi insted of difusal, and it's pretty imba.:laugh:
yea it is, but if u make scadi that means u loses the efect of difusal as it is a nice slow in early- mid game. and as for late game the web is quite long "slow" when u have mkb ;)

-Riki-

04-18-2007, 13:11

yea it is, but if u make scadi that means u loses the efect of difusal as it is a nice slow in early- mid game. and as for late game the web is quite long "slow" when u have mkb ;)

The illustions will not make any bash with the MKB... so you better get Burriza or Butterfly

straider

04-18-2007, 13:15

The illustions will not make any bash with the MKB... so you better get Burriza or Butterfly
mkb does not efects bash, it does a similar efect witsch causes 100 bonuse dmg if i remember well. Dont know if the images does this dmg, but the real one does. The images will tho get the bonuse dmg from mkb as the item, so i would recomend to do that. About buriza .. i am realy against making critical strike items on heroes who does have the skill ... About butter, yea can be .. but i prefer dmg build

-Riki-

04-18-2007, 13:20

mkb does not efects bash, it does a similar efect witsch causes 100 bonuse dmg if i remember well. Dont know if the images does this dmg, but the real one does. The images will tho get the bonuse dmg from mkb as the item, so i would recomend to do that. About buriza .. i am realy against making critical strike items on heroes who does have the skill ... About butter, yea can be .. but i prefer dmg build

MKB has 0.1 sec bash, but only for the main hero, the illlusion will just make an illusion of the stun without any practical effect,
There is nothing bad with buriza at these type of hero, the critical dmg will not stuck but it will deal the higher criti dmg, so you don't lose anything.
If u look for dmg build, you better stay with the buriza+butter, and be hope for Divine. other items will suck..

sunnis

04-18-2007, 14:42

I never build buriza for any hero that already have any kind of critical it is a waste of abbility or item that is why mkb is better

-Riki-

04-18-2007, 14:44

I never build buriza for any hero that already have any kind of critical it is a waste of abbility or item that is why mkb is better

Again, MKB will not be useful for the Nega's Illusion, insted of Buriza that WILL effect even with the illusions. :pet:

straider

04-18-2007, 17:03

Again, MKB will not be useful for the Nega's Illusion, insted of Buriza that WILL effect even with the illusions. :pet:
and u still not understand .. what for is MKB on furion, or on bone or any other non ilusion hero? For dmg, yea thats right. And about the stun efect u should know if u are so arguing that the ilusion bash is posible ! not just as wisual efect !
If the "ilusion" bash apears and the normal bash apears as well they statck . In MKB wersion its 0.2 sec stun and 200DMG !
And i still say .. buying crsialis/buriza on heroes who does have the skill is waste of money

-Riki-

04-18-2007, 17:24

+75dmg
+15% atk speed
+30%chance to deal 100dmg +

That is item for Fast Atked Ranged heroes, such as bone\weaver\furion.
Not a poorless meele like Nega, such a waste...

straider

04-18-2007, 17:26

u are not doing MKB on meele? :)

-Riki-

04-18-2007, 17:34

u are not doing MKB on meele? :)

Usually I don't.
Depends the sittuation.

straider

04-18-2007, 17:41

ok to prevent further arguing, i am not saying your build is wrong, nor i am saying my is the best. I only say what i am building nothing more

-Riki-

04-18-2007, 18:31

That's why they made this thread for, to help ppl like you.
Just think about logical build for meele+illusions...

straider

04-18-2007, 18:58

That's why they made this thread for, to help ppl like you.
Just think about logical build for meele+illusions...
i beg your pardon ?!

Artificial

04-18-2007, 19:52

ppl like you=naps :D

That is item for Fast Atked Ranged heroes, such as .........\furion.

y sure.. he has fast attack rate :rolf:

-Riki-

04-18-2007, 19:59

ppl like you=naps :D

y sure.. he has fast attack rate :rolf:

For these use furion as hunter, they also get some fast atk items for furion,
But if you wanna keep argument with that.. sure go ahead.

straider

04-18-2007, 20:37

ppl like you=naps :D

lok whos speaking there da "pro":respect:

but this arguing is just :argue:

no point continuing... i give up, i am a damn noob, wout post any sugestions any more

-Riki-

04-18-2007, 20:43

I didn't say your a noob, but no one is proffesional... there is always somthing new to learn.

-eXtasY-

04-18-2007, 20:47

Again, MKB will not be useful for the Nega's Illusion, insted of Buriza that WILL effect even with the illusions. :pet:

omg... ilusions do have critical animation.. u will se the red number but it will not do adicionan dmg.... (i am speaking about buriza crit ... ilusions do skill crit). Just as strider told bash stuck on ilusions. MKB is much better from buriza in most cases coz of imba 30% mini stun wich is so useful, coz most of pro players use bot or tp to run, and ofcourse its stoping chanelling spells... Buriza is good for very high demigers who do not have crit as skill.. just like nevermore, magnus , bloodseeker etc.

straider

04-18-2007, 20:58

I didn't say your a noob, but no one is proffesional... there is always somthing new to learn.
and u refuse to learn something new

-Riki-

04-18-2007, 21:56

Seems like... =]

sunnis

04-19-2007, 04:16

riki seems very confident that his build is the best

amirasfa

04-19-2007, 12:12

lol...pls stop arguing each other..this is not a place to rise the flame between us...

for naga..i usually use 2 wraith,1 power threads,1 basher with 1 mask..better use this kinda of stuff to kill hero early...when u capture opponent..open the illusions and attck it,then sing if the opponent want to run.then capture them back and on the mask..no onw can run when naga use 2 basher..NAGA own u!!

sToP_mE_

04-19-2007, 13:11

For rexxar i prefer at the start of the game bracers, then Sange and Yasha,Basher Hart of Tarrasque and Linken Sphere.Thats my best oppinion.But everybody uses his strategies for heroes.. :)

sunnis

04-19-2007, 13:14

For rexxar i prefer at the start of the game bracers, then Sange and Yasha,Basher Hart of Tarrasque and Linken Sphere.Thats my best oppinion.But everybody uses his strategies for heroes.. :)

hmmm interesting strategy (no boots) got to try it sometimes

my rexxar build is BoT, MoM, 2 bashers, heart and smth else it depends on opponents

sToP_mE_

04-19-2007, 13:15

Just plz dont mix S. and Y. and satanic, this guy want's to learn something dont you think :/?

I think u are not dota newbie so u should agree with me when i say thant i dont even have to mention boots... ofc that u should buy boots first lolz

sunnis

04-19-2007, 13:20

I think u are not dota newbie so u should agree with me when i say thant i dont even have to mention boots... ofc that u should buy boots first lolz

well if you mention items from start such as bracers than mention boots as well and no one will say anything to you

and I dont think that you should buy boots first

sToP_mE_

04-19-2007, 13:23

Ofc i agree with Diablo, no third rexxar spell lolz u can'tplay like that with rexxar

i can see that you are tought person so i dont want to argue... my acc on pvp is same as here so we can play sometimes

-Riki-

04-19-2007, 13:46

Fleming

04-21-2007, 22:50

how bout krobelus ??? :starwars::starwars::starwars::starwars::starwars: :starwars::starwars::starwars:

straider

04-22-2007, 01:23

kribelus's basic build is 2-3 bracers, euls, than what u need, upgrade to guinso ... and game over.
My build is 2-3 bracers, lothars, radiance... HoT maeby (dont try this at home)

Artanthos

04-22-2007, 11:55

Hmm, I would add to straider build meka after 2-3 bracers. Then euls, hex, and hot. No *** items like lothar. ;]

REplayER

04-22-2007, 12:53

I build radiance for krob then bot then heart,hex and gg it is :D
Bracers in start ofc..

Artificial

04-22-2007, 13:34

my krobe in prv games: skadi, guinsoo, heart
my krobe in cw games: meka, guinsoo, heart

straider

04-22-2007, 14:30

gosh, forgot meka :P yep, bracer meka ..
lothars own !!! :P

Artanthos

04-22-2007, 14:47

my krobe in prv games: skadi, guinsoo, heart
my krobe in cw games: meka, guinsoo, heart

And what about build on pub games? :PP

Artificial

04-22-2007, 15:21

I rarely play pubs
I don't remember a pub with krobe :p
anyway
in pubs..
hmm
mkb,burize :D

norby

04-22-2007, 16:59

-Riki-

04-23-2007, 07:40

Can you suggest me a good hero with the primary atribute strenght or agility and what items are the best what should i buy for him pls?
And I was wondering if power treads , mystic staff , MKB , hex , hyperstone and cranium basher is a good combination for Leshrac.
Please help me!

Check this thread:
http://eurobattle.net/showthread.php?t=39141

If that is not enought, I suggest you to use global heroes, such as Medusa\Magina which good for any type of heroes...
For both, get PT-Butter,Buriza
Magina get 2 Bashers, .. divine ankha.
Medusa get Linken, divine anhka.

Both are based on Agility, and able to beat all kind of heroes with this specific build. -HF-

norby

04-23-2007, 12:25

Thank you very much , I've played with both naga siren and medusa and are great heroes.

quadro990

04-23-2007, 12:54

what are the best items for razor
pls heeelp:smile3: :smile3: :smile3: :smile3:

Sick

04-23-2007, 13:17

6 dr

Trait

04-23-2007, 13:19

what are the best items for razor
pls heeelp:smile3: :smile3: :smile3: :smile3:

For Razor, if everything goes fine I rush Sacred relic -> Radiance -> then any hp item(s) -vanguard, HoT maybe,then Buriza, Eye of Skadi.
If you have problems farming or you are ganked/or you die often Sange&Yasha + any dmg item will do the job. There are a lot of build for Razor - Mjollnir build, Lifesteal +dmg...

quadro990

04-24-2007, 01:28

For Razor, if everything goes fine I rush Sacred relic -> Radiance -> then any hp item(s) -vanguard, HoT maybe,then Buriza, Eye of Skadi.
If you have problems farming or you are ganked/or you die often Sange&Yasha + any dmg item will do the job. There are a lot of build for Razor - Mjollnir build, Lifesteal +dmg...

Thank you very much....

now i'm form macedonia and im new dota player (1-2 moths ago) so i can say that i am noob and i dont now wich hero i can take....i dond very information for heroes. can you give me some opinion for wich hero is the better pls...:thumbUP:

viper~~~

04-24-2007, 21:58

Thank you very much....

now i'm form macedonia and im new dota player (1-2 moths ago) so i can say that i am noob and i dont now wich hero i can take....i dond very information for heroes. can you give me some opinion for wich hero is the better pls...:thumbUP:

abe more balta ne sikimi ki yenesin beni araysin bu unumlerden HELP ha
skimi yalayasin ok mi?
sokaym razoruna, sen ebedi oyayamazsin razor le:noob:
hahahahahahahaha
sakasaka, olur kaka

EDIT by imaginary: English ffs..

sunnis

04-25-2007, 03:22

Thank you very much....

now i'm form macedonia and im new dota player (1-2 moths ago) so i can say that i am noob and i dont now wich hero i can take....i dond very information for heroes. can you give me some opinion for wich hero is the better pls...:thumbUP:

razor is good for starters cause you dont need to do much creeping yourself

quadro990

04-25-2007, 13:20

razor is good for starters cause you dont need to do much creeping yourself

THANKS:thumbUP: :thumbUP: :thumbUP:

abe more balta ne sikimi ki yenesin beni araysin bu unumlerden HELP ha
skimi yalayasin ok mi?
sokaym razoruna, sen ebedi oyayamazsin razor le:noob:
hahahahahahahaha
sakasaka, olur kaka

EDIT by imaginary: English ffs..

whats up man .shut up :noob: :noob: :noob: :noob: hicbir zaman beni yenemeyecen
lol :duel:

hey ...... can anyone tell me any good items (HP, damage the best items);)

EDIT by imaginary: Diablo is right,use the edit button when u have to add somethin u forgot to mention before,dont double-triple post.And dont talk in ur own language if u pls.English section here --> means in english u shall post.For now i merged ur posts..next time use EDIT.

-eXtasY-

04-26-2007, 12:32

do u realise that u just did tripple post?

-Riki-

04-28-2007, 11:58

Thank you very much , I've played with both naga siren and medusa and are great heroes.

np :) glad to help you

ancient_grandpa

04-29-2007, 16:57

what are the best methods to play with visage ? what items are the best on him ? pls help.:)

Omarmar

04-29-2007, 18:28

visage is teh sucks bcoz he dun have good atck stuff like livesteal or feats or stanic. nax is a gud hero u shld chuze nax more, ifn you get nax a wrath band or free den get stanic sange n yash n battle furry n treds u r shur 2 win.

if u r a bit pro den u cn get a dragon, bcuz dragon is funny to use when ur team is bout to kill sum1 and den you go zzzap hahahahahaha they wsted all der time and u get da kill. hahahaha

nax > visage.
dun bother wid visage coz nax is megafather.

RockNation

04-29-2007, 19:15

destiny_

04-29-2007, 19:24

Hmmm......visage u said ...... hmmm.... just watch no further comments.

Usually i don't post my replays but i'm glad that some1 asks for this hero cause i have 1 word for him ...:IMBAAAAAAA!!! :p

Omarmar

04-30-2007, 06:09

Well believe it or not, that was not plagiarised. An original creation.
Kind of surprised that a mod took it as serious... and DIDN'T delete it. lol.

For visage, go with 2 Bracers, Radiance Heart and Boots of Travel.
Max Soul Assumption first, along with stats or Gravekeepers Cloak. Next Max out Cloak or stats (whichever you didn't get before) and mid game, level up Grave Chill.

You can choose to get a level of Revenants at 6, and use them as scouts at rune spots / the forest near your lane (watching for ganks). If you are laned with noone that can easily kill the revenants (dragon slave / forked lightning etc) you can keep them with you to help with last hits / denies.

Max it at 16 though.

Use your orb to harass and get last hits, and enjoy the regeneration it offers. Become a tank later on, and disperse it with Cloak. They have to attack you because of radiance, but cant because of Cloak.

quadro990

05-04-2007, 01:03

Can Anyone Tell Me The Greatest Items For Axe
Pls Pls Pls Pls

RupOase

05-04-2007, 11:33

2 bracers , s&y, battlefury, tarasque, cuirass

MaN-O-WaR

05-04-2007, 12:10

Can Anyone Tell Me The Greatest Items For Axe
Pls Pls Pls PlsYour first item should be vanguard and boots of speed. After this blink dagger is a must - u will get escape mechanism and will help u a lot with positioning berseker call. After this u should get HoT (heart of torrasque) or cuirass depending if u r facing casters(pump hp to tank nukes) or dmg dealers(pump up armor to neutralize physical dmg). Dont invest any points in battle hunger like most noobs do - u will lack of hp in mid game and wont benefit from counter helix without call. Making dmg on this hero is worst idea ever as his attack speed is just pathetic - therefore axe wont benefit much from lifesteal effect or any other orb. Cuirass is made because it gives u armor and not for attack speed it offers.
Your role for a team is ganker during mid game and tank in late game. U will be starting all teamfights blinking around enemies and disabling them with berseker call while your allies will be casting their nukes meantime. When u see u can kill some1 with your ulti dont hesitate and use it.

amirasfa

05-04-2007, 12:17

MaN-O-WaR

05-04-2007, 12:28

axe should use defence items because axe no need to attck other peeps..just spin and that cause large damage in the area around him.use power threads,vanguard,blade mail,heart,satanic and cuirass.u will become undefeatable.no need to enhance ur damage.just enhance ur defence and ur hp.

for play, first make battle hunger then tank the opponent.make sure there are plenty of creeps near ur opponent.(make sure the creeps is not in ur team)this is necessary to increase the percentage of spinning!when the opponent life become half,just use second skill(i dont know wat it`s name..-_-)this will prevent them from run.then use ultimate!!tadaa!!!so IMBA axe!!!U havent played DotA in competetive community, dont u? Beside till u max your skills mid game will be already over and team pushes will start. Without blink dagger u wont be even able to use your berseker call and battle hunger will be a crap. Till u run near any hero u will be disabled and pawned and even if u do i doub u will use your berseker call and therefore focus enemy fire on yourself when u r on red already, unless u r suicider.

RupOase

05-04-2007, 12:34

:) Who can tell me pls how to play good with morph because im a totally weak with him. What are the best items on him ? It's good to play with him on agility or stregth or to keep balanced his skills ?

MaN-O-WaR

05-04-2007, 12:53

Boots of travel is a must for him due to his pathetic movespeed. Linken is very good item as well as it gives needed mana boost. Then u can go S&Y or Skadi depending on situation - notice that u can have both those items and orb effects will fully stack, coz skadi ranged is a buff.
Playing him agi or str depends from game. If your team lacks a tank go for HoT and play as a tank, but usually playing him as an dmg dealer (agi) makes him better hero.
A friend of mine is using less expensive core item build and he is playing this hero rly good: BoT, 2 nulls and S&Y, however if u farm good or u r fed go rather linken+skadi.

straider

05-04-2007, 12:54

morph in good hands i near to unstopeable ... Firts thing before deciding if u go agi/ strg is to analyze what kind of enemys have u on your line and on the oposit team as whole. Against nukers go defenetly strg. Against other kinds of heroes who cant dot you go for agi. Try to outcreep them and use youw wave . Realy usefull skill indeed. As for items i would recomend you to go hot, as this item provides you with stg witsch you can transfor into agi and u got also HP do to the booster. Next maeby some critics, lifesteal ..
if u are facing realy good players who harras you from the start and u can creep fast for your messer go for vanguard, as the second best option u have.

Fleming

05-04-2007, 21:14

xredalert

05-04-2007, 21:37

What are The best items for MIRANA NIGHTSHADE, can somebody tell me ......

-eXtasY-

05-04-2007, 21:52

What are The best items for MIRANA NIGHTSHADE, can somebody tell me ......

ofcourse...
Well i usaully go for arcane on begining coz it will provide imba nuke and creeping on begining... get 2 bracers too and boots coz you will chase much when u get arcane. I usaully make linken for boosting and protection, then mjolnir wich is the best item for her i think.. Then i usaullty make skady (it stuck with mjolnir.. only when chain trigers you will not have cold attack).. after that game should be over if not make only dmg.. buriza and divane (u can easly run and with skady and linken you are high hp too)
p.s. and i forget BoT rules and in pro game they are imba important so i think BoT>PT in 90% casses

amirasfa

05-05-2007, 12:34

hurm..it is true that i never play in tournament b4.i accept that..but i think i can survive without blink dagger.eventhough u have powerful item as ur back up but the most important thing is your skill.

eventhough axe wear superb item but dunno how to reduce the opponent hp slightly,it is useless.

Battle hunger o not become the first priority in reducing opponent hp.there are few tactis that us should learn.

u should use berserker call when their hp not turning red yet.

No need to use blink dagger,just battle hunger opponent that have low hp and he will died in front of the fountain.

i have tried this tricks so many times b4.

The item dont play important part in axe but your skills is important..but i really appreciate for your advice man-o-war.its really help and less,it change my point of view.

^_^

05-08-2007, 20:54

THANKS:thumbUP: :thumbUP: :thumbUP:

whats up man .shut up :noob: :noob: :noob: :noob: hicbir zaman beni yenemeyecen
lol :duel:

hey ...... can anyone tell me any good items (HP, damage the best items);)

EDIT by imaginary: Diablo is right,use the edit button when u have to add somethin u forgot to mention before,dont double-triple post.And dont talk in ur own language if u pls.English section here --> means in english u shall post.For now i merged ur posts..next time use EDIT.

Dota landan oynanır sokayım gavuruna

^_^

05-08-2007, 21:14

Few knoe how to do silencer

Get ur glaives and curse of silent lvl 4 at lvl 8

item build: make pt before anything u deal great dmg by attacking don't try to depend totally on curse (though lowering mana and forcing ur prey to cast is pretty tempting in early lvls)

get 2 null talismans ironwood *****es and saphire water (gotta heal pretty and rush back fast u aint got good hp) and a pt don't autocast ur glaive! Use ur glaive on creeps by casting one by one (2 nulls and 2 irons at lvl8 about 25 bonus dmg enough to get teh money)

(if u happen to get kewl money (2k+) early game get a demon edge and run for the mkb )

make perservance and then rush guinso

Hint: U may want to give share to make ur allies use ur ulti ^^ things get really fked up when u do ;)

Get the other skill after lvl 16 cause u need lotsa + gives u good hp & dmg

Hint: Silencer, bone fletcher, Visage shouldn't waste lotsof money in hp early levels cause they must emphasize on their strong pt (pitiful range attack ;) ) before anything

^_^

05-08-2007, 21:29

Bone Fletcher

If u hate pressing alt all the time swap with some other pro player and pleaaaaaseee suicide ;)

Get ur flaming arrows lvl 7, (8 mana 40 dmg=great trade)
Try get lotsa ironwood and 1 damn sapphire water (yea spend less than u have)
Get a goddamn fking energy booster (no don't make the fking gae item of arecane ring that hero is agility dammit >:( )

Skill build = get ur flaming arrows and your ww lvl 4 at lvl 8 and don't give 2 ur ulti cause u'll use mana for ur arrows and ww for tipping and pestering

Hint: fully w8 for ur ww to recharge before attacking, the will to survive is above all (seriously kenshin is a red headed faggot and his gf is pretty dominant.. Unlike shishio I love shishio)
Hint2: don't lvl ur ulti b4 lvl 12 lvl 1 ulti charges quite fast and u need at least lvl 3 fast arrow ****
Hint3: Tip the Arrow for getting the lamzor tower money and use alt to tip creeps don't be obsessed with hero killing

If u don't autocast arrows at towers and creeps get mkb as fast as u can bone gets pretty well built

As late game item: get bruize! mkb & bruize really fks the game up

If u wanna team-play early get a bkb after mkb its really necessary

quadro990

05-09-2007, 00:59

can anyone tell me the BEST ITEMS for Jah'rakal, Troll Warlord

pls:tiphat:

^_^

05-09-2007, 08:00

Skill build :

At Lvl 7: Lvl 3 bash Lvl 3 attack speed Lvl 1 rage
Lvl 11: Lvl 3 bash Lvl 4 attack speed Lvl 3 blind Lvl 2 rage

Hint: Do not give lvl up to lvl 4 bash it makes soooo little difference. You can lvl it up at lvl 16+ if you want later on.

Item build:
Start with boots ,2 tangos, as much ironwoods as possible
Complete pt first
Get an ogre axe
Complete yasha
Get your basher
finish sy
If you are dominating & have lots of money try to get a butterfly if you are losing it get 2 wraith bands
Get 2nd basher

Two builds for slayer: caster build and warlock (meaning warrior-mage in frps but frp writers being fat-ass weed heads miss the actual meaning- male witch = warlock ) build.

Caster Build

At Lvl 9: Dragon slave Lvl 4, Light strike away Lvl 4, Laguna Lvl 1
Lvl 10: +/ Lvl 11: Laguna Lvl 2/ Lvl 12-15: ultimate Lvl 16: Laguna Lvl 3

Get boots + 2 tangos (160 gp) + 4 ironwood
Once you have 1000 rush back to get staff
Get Point booster
Complete dagon 1
: Start getting scrolls of tp until you comlete aganim if it gets fishy get the hell out of here don't waste money on wards don't waste money on travel
Aganim

Warlock Build

Lvl 1 : Get +
At Lvl 7: Lvl 4 Dragon slave, lvl 1 light strike away, Laguna
Lvl8-12: Get + Get lvl 2 ultimate(not laguna) Get lvl 2 laguna Get lvl 3 and 4 ulti
Don't Lvl up light strike until 16+

Boots + basilus + tango
Complete power threads
Get vitality booster
Make hand of midas or even better hyperstone (this is a must)
Make eul (get the staff before the void)
Guinso
Dagger of escape or lothar
Mkb or aganim
:happy1:

EDIT by imaginary: Im glad ur so eager to post some builds u prefer but try to edit a single post of urs to include info for more than one hero(if u wanna keep doin this) instead of postin in different posts,one after another.

ss-Kenyshor

05-09-2007, 10:07

Imba builds :) . Bashers on troll, yea 0wnz/not(except that you dont play 1v1). Same goes for lina build.

RupOase

05-09-2007, 14:29

hey what's are the best items to make on jakiro ???:)

ss-Kenyshor

05-09-2007, 22:10

Travel, mek, hex, skadi, necro3 and you're set. Radiance if you're having fun :).

amirasfa

05-10-2007, 16:43

i want to add some for jharakal.i prefer to play it as range.so i use mjolnir..u also can use it as melee.and because the attack speed of jharakal so fast..the effect of mjolnirr is pretty strong because the frequency of the lightning chain to apper are very high.Try it and u will know it!!

tq...better use power thread and hyperstone.for other item,buriza,vanguard and butterfly.tadaaa...

ancient_grandpa

05-11-2007, 17:21

i have a question for you guys , there are good bashers on ursa or not , because i seen many good players playing with cranium bashers on ursa ? It's stop the furry wipes or not ??

MaN-O-WaR

05-11-2007, 17:59

i have a question for you guys , there are good bashers on ursa or not , because i seen many good players playing with cranium bashers on ursa ? It's stop the furry wipes or not ??Basher doesnt have any orb effect and ofc it doesnt stop wipes :)

OMGBergrush

05-11-2007, 19:55

thats true but since ursa is ranged hero you get 10% bash so with 2 bashers you have 19% chance and i cant even imagine someone having more. if you are playing ursa with bashers you are not doing something right i mean ursa is like nerubian assassin in a way that you have a checkmate in 3 moves
1. turn on fury swipes and go invis
2. do earthshock from behind your target
3. activate ult and obliterate him in 2 seconds

Artificial

05-11-2007, 20:05

No, basher doesn't even work on ursa
tested 1 min ago

kozm3an

05-12-2007, 11:30

i guess u all know that vladimir's and battlefury aren't orb effects...well...if u try them on ursa u will be surprised that they DON'T work...i think ursa would be so damn imba with theese 2 items...

imaginary

05-12-2007, 12:45

No we wont be surprised as he is a ranged hero gosh why dont u read a little..apart from the fact that u should know it already anyway -_-
Pff

RupOase

05-13-2007, 13:44

berkerdat

05-14-2007, 20:59

i am new on this game and i really want to know best items for antimage if u want to help me pls add me to ur msn berkerdat@hotmail.com turkish or english i can understand 2 lanq.s

Bonzy

05-14-2007, 21:04

:) it's good 2 make 2 items with orb effect on a normal hero ?, not a hero with orb effect ; ( Example S&y and maeltsrom) - on of the item it will be cancelled or not ?, or it's have nothing and can play with all the items with the orb effects ??

2 orb efects dont stack exept in case where u use skadi and lifesteal on range... stats of item work , but orb effect[like maim on sange and yasha[slow]] doesnt work if u have satanic for example...

^_^

05-14-2007, 21:10

Basher doesnt have any orb effect and ofc it doesnt stop wipes :)

Ursas orb effect rox
used to be a maximum of consecutive 8 hits of (8+7+6+..+1) times orb dmg

if u bash ur orb effect doesn't add up
if u get mkb ur orb effects just starts from beginning

Get tarasque for ursa along with radiance or butterfly
You can also get a dagger of escape if u complain about low ms and low spell aoe (did I mention if u don't know aoe go kill urself?)
:thumbUP:

quadro990

05-14-2007, 21:58

any
good items for SALADAR pls

Baluko

05-15-2007, 21:58

Hello- I like Nerubian Assassin, ut bicause i'm a freshy i have no idea what skill's to max out, what items to start with, what to build later on, and what to build to own:)
and hou should i suprise my enemys:)?

Glamour

05-17-2007, 18:44

#Baluko
on Anub'arak there are 2 different builds.
hp build: 2x bracer + Boots of speed + ring of regen + 2 x wraith band
later on: heart of tarrasque + (?) battlefury + radiance
i ain`t very sure about radiance.

damage build : 2 x wraith band + power treads + yasha
later on: Butterfly + satanic + s&y + (?) manta style

i prefer the damage build :D because it onwz :D

LoGiStiK

05-28-2007, 10:07

Anub'arak usualy needs to have somethin' like this:
First off:
Power Trads , 2xBracers + Ring
Then make a Battlefury ( u need mana regen,hp regen & dmg + u own creeps and get cash)
Later make a Vanguard (or Hood of Defiance)
Then a butterfly
Then a radiance
Then a heart of tarasq (or a eye of skady)
You can surprise your enemyes like this :
Cast vendeta and hit them , then hit them with mana burn , then impale (u must hit them with a normal atack when your in vendeta , otherwise u won't dmg them , i mean don't cast impale or mana burn while ur in vendeta...)

Believe me i owned all with these builds.

For Anti-Mage
First take:
Power Trads + 1 Bracer + 1 Wraith Band.
Make a Vanguard
then get a Hyperstone (when u get this you start to own) (if you want u can upgrade to cuirras but it's a loose of time and money , cuz u don't need it)
Then get 2xBashers
Then a butterfly and it's gg
WARNING!: This build is only vs mage class heroes...

Thunder_Me

05-29-2007, 22:03

Tell me a good constract for geomancer

straider

05-29-2007, 22:10

i think one is already mentioned few sites b4 but in short ... mass aura .-) meka, vladimirs, curirass .. thats a standard build...
and a imo miko intensive build is lothars + mass bumping ... early game harrasing and fast push. But i would recommend the aura build coz the second one is realy hard to aply .-) u should have got years w3 exp. to manage it .-)

LoGiStiK

05-30-2007, 00:42

Tell me a good constract for geomancer

Power Trads , Mekasm , Vladimir , Tarasq , Cuirras , Buryza (or Radiance whateva)

yujin93

06-06-2007, 13:40

wads the best item build for pandaran battle master n sand king...thx

Trait

06-06-2007, 21:08

wads the best item build for pandaran battle master n sand king...thx

For panda,I use Blink Dagger. Why? I know he doesn´t have "game-breaking" ultimate (like Enigma,Sand King or Tree) but blink+Thunderclap+drunken haze owns. Also,it provides an escape mechanism.

So:Boots,Blink Dagger,Vanguard,2*Nulls (low mana hero,need for above mentioned combo),then it depends- if you wanna farm and get uber items,get Radiance. Or get HoT for tanking. Or Satanic+Battlefury. Basically you need an HP and MP item(s). I prefer Boots of Travel,but if you wanna kill and hunt a lot,get PT ofc.

Sand King-I don´t play him much but the Blink Dagger is a must for prefect placing of your ultimate. SK is tank in first place,so get Bracers,then Blink, then HoT (Vanguard if you are low on cash). Vladmir is a good team item (melee allies ofc :) ) I guess that Battle fury isn´t a bad choice, but he already has creeping ability.... In the end I´ll mass HoTs and I prefer BoT on most heroes but PT can also be useful.

AZguard

06-06-2007, 21:19

For Panda
Mangix - The Pandaren Brewmaster
53039

Power Treads, BFury, Sange and Yasha, Heart of Tarrasque, Assault Cuirass, Dagger of Escape

Optional:
Radiance, Monkey King Bar

For Scorpion
Crixalis - The Sand King
53040

Power Treads, BFury, Assault Cuirass, Heart of Tarrasque, Dagger of Escape, Radiance

Optional:
Monkey King Bar, BKB,

malones007

06-07-2007, 00:07

hmm..can someone tell me in what order should i chose skills for jah'rakal troll warlock? and items pls?

imaginary

06-07-2007, 00:33

Skills for me depends on opponent,if there is much harrassment ill give 2-3 lvls to blind and 1-2 lvls to stats early-mid game.
If more "suitable" opponent,or passive player against u anyway,go like 3-1-3-1-3-ulti-1-3-stats-1 or blind etc
As troll,ur mainly a late game hero killer,u cant expect to gather kills early on(like on lane) against good opponents,so u need to focus ur best on farm,deny a lot or not a lot again dependin on the skill of ur opponent,if he has a hero that can farm and become ImbA u should prevent him,if he's passive and doesnt care much just go for last hit the most and **** denies.

For items,it greatly varies,really,Troll should be one of the most flexible heroes to builds,and i myself almost never follow a specific build for 2 games with troll in a row.
To give u an idea,u can choose from bashers,S&Y,butterfly,mkb,burize,stygian,pretty much all high dmg items are good.Dont make cuirass,u dont need that.Dont make treads i would suggest,better BoT.U need to catch up ur opponents,and u dont need extra att.speed when u have that ulti.
U can make MoM if u want but i wouldnt.
U can make midas if u farm it very early,it will help more in farm.
Ofc early do make a couple of bracers at least,its common and good for ur hp.

In teamganks,unless u have a hero to grant u spells immunity(omni,storm) avoid goin into the battle first-second.
Just follow up any AOE ulties ur team has,chasin to kill,always the best possible targets.U would better switch to melee there,especially since in 6.44 it has no mana cost u can do switches all the time.If u cant reach a target u chase ofc and he's left with like 1-2 hits to die,do turn into ranged to finish him off thats obvious;P
Anyway,i think i gave much info there aight :tiphat:

Iocaine

06-07-2007, 01:06

hmm..can someone tell me in what order should i chose skills for jah'rakal troll warlock? and items pls?

Trol Warlock???
Well, I usually go like this:

1. Stats
2. Fervor
3. Stats
4. Fervor
5. Stats
6. Rampage
7.Fervor
8. Stats
9. Fervor
10. Stats
11. Rampage
12. Berserker's Rage
13. Berserker's Rage
14. Berserker's Rage
15. Stats
16. Rampage
17. Stats
18. Berserker's Rage
....

Items: Sange and Yasha as first item, but if you're an uber farmer like me you'll go butterfly first, then some bashers and lifesteal and gg.

And I've proved that I'm the best Troll player out there.

But if you're going to play Troll 1v1 then check out this replay:

-eXtasY-

06-07-2007, 01:30

u'r masturbating on that replay? anyway for troll all depends... if you are in a line against heavy dmger then go blind+aura (ulty ofc) , later call... if you are against nuker go for states and aura. You can play troll on two ways ranged, and melee (i recommend)
if you are ranged go for PT, mjolnir, butter, curilass, buriza, heart
if you are melee go for sange&yasha, yasha, bot (for ultimate move speed) , satanik , butter, basher later if you rly need , you can change yasha for buriza
p.s. cool sig

Iocaine

06-07-2007, 01:52

DiabIo;560433']u'r masturbating on that replay? anyway for troll all depends... if you are in a line against heavy dmger then go blind+aura (ulty ofc) , later call... if you are against nuker go for states and aura. You can play troll on two ways ranged, and melee (i recommend)
if you are ranged go for PT, mjolnir, butter, curilass, buriza, heart
if you are melee go for sange&yasha, yasha, bot (for ultimate move speed) , satanik , butter, basher later if you rly need , you can change yasha for buriza
p.s. cool sig

Troll is meant to be played both melee and range.
It's his ability and yu have to know how to use it.

yujin93

06-07-2007, 16:56

can u tell me wad to buy for storm?i heard that u get mjol n guisoon?n wad is the ideal stat build?thx

-eXtasY-

06-08-2007, 00:51

can u tell me wad to buy for storm?i heard that u get mjol n guisoon?n wad is the ideal stat build?thx
for spell build depends.. if you have nuker against u go for shield and third spell, if not i would go for first and third or maybe iven third+states
for items its easy.. get blink to make imba combo. Enemy push, you blink on them and do ulty on your tower and allies... can be very very effective, ofc dont make blink as first item coz you need to creep, i would first go for guinsoo, BoT, after blink, skady (imba effective coz of your third and att speed bonus with first), later on i would just go for dmg, you can iven make divane+buriza because of great surviving abilittes (blink, ulty, spell shield), or satanik instead of buriza or maybe iven mom! (and please i dont want a noob to say "sat doeasn't stuck with skady")
p.s. read my sig ;)

straider

06-08-2007, 12:26

DiabIo;560772']for spell build depends.. if you have nuker against u go for shield and third spell, if not i would go for first and third or maybe iven third+states
for items its easy.. get blink to make imba combo. Enemy push, you blink on them and do ulty on your tower and allies... can be very very effective, ofc dont make blink as first item coz you need to creep, i would first go for guinsoo, BoT, after blink, skady (imba effective coz of your third and att speed bonus with first), later on i would just go for dmg, you can iven make divane+buriza because of great surviving abilittes (blink, ulty, spell shield), or satanik instead of buriza or maybe iven mom! (and please i dont want a noob to say "sat doeasn't stuck with skady")
p.s. read my sig ;)

sat doesnt stack with scadi !!!!
if you are a mele hero ofc :D
lalala
just kiding around

yujin93

06-08-2007, 13:03

but they keep on asking me to buy mael

straider

06-08-2007, 13:15

hmm yea its funny about this kids recently .-) what has a lightnig in his name or has an lightnig atack .. mael is da best item ! .)

Belfabio

06-08-2007, 14:18

what build for traxxex do u recomend

glop2

06-08-2007, 15:32

some remarks about troll build :

- I think going for aura first isnt good except in pub games. Cause early game against good players, you wont kill anyone with troll. And Fervor wont change anything to that fact. It will only make your creeps push faster and expose you to enemy tower and gangs. Pick stats, and blind if you are facing a ranged agi, so that his farming/denying will be ****ed up. You already got a good attack animation to last hit and deny effectively without the help of the IAS aura.

- At the beginning, put at least one point into Berseker's Rage. Switching to melee can give you the necessary increased MS to run away from a lethal hit.

- You really dont need items that increase your attack speed. Instead, focus on pure damage, HP, and MS.
The good items for Jah'Rakal are those which increase your killing potential and your survivability :
maelstrom(->mjollnir), desolator, manta, buriza, BKB, MKB, Rapier, heart, dominator(->satanic), skadi.
Bashers and S&Y are for pub only : they're too much expensive for the bonuses they give you.

[addict][46]

06-08-2007, 15:53

what item is for jakiro...i try using the ulti but always waste...tell me how to make the ulti dnt waste..

Artificial

06-08-2007, 18:09

Well on Jakiro preferable is meka, necro book, guinsoo, HoT, travel and for last item... maybe curiass...

about ulty.. I know what you think about.. it's kinda hard to use it because enemies can easy escape from it... That's why you have 2nd spell and your allies... Combine it well with second spell or maybe you have some stun from allies... also when enemies push it's easy to use, but when you push, it's hard but as I said make a good combo with your allies.
what build for traxxex do u recomend
For traxex I recommend getting hand of midas if you are planning to farm a lot... then you can go lothar so you you can escape from ganks, then butterffly, buriz, BoT because you have midas(no need of power treads) and for last item, HoT maybe.. Traxex is similar as Sniper... she can be a pain in the ass if you play good with her which means you should stay at distance, never go alone... because you know if enemies get near you, you will be squashed like a bug.

imaginary

06-08-2007, 22:33

The good items for Jah'Rakal are those which increase your killing potential and your survivability :
maelstrom(->mjollnir), desolator, manta, buriza, BKB, MKB, Rapier, heart, dominator(->satanic), skadi.
LoL blah and LoL
Bashers and S&Y are for pub only : they're too much expensive for the bonuses they give you.
No
Im personally a S&Y lover for troll.It just rapes on melee with ulti on.

[46];560899']what item is for jakiro...i try using the ulti but always waste...tell me how to make the ulti dnt waste..
Meka - euls(guinsoo) and BoT as essential,some make basilus too as startin,for other than essentials add necro book,radi,heart for tank though he kinda is already,or bkb if needed:E
Dagger for fun,LoL
Arcane for spells spam,not essential -_-

Ulti use it carefully calculatin where ur opponents will be to catch as many as possible on it for couple seconds,practise will help.
Team ulties/spells will greatly help,like arti said,some mass stuns AOE etc
Ur own stun will also help,if placed good followed immediately by ulti.
U can also use ur ulti to surprise enemies,like wait on the side of the road in trees with ur allies,enemies pass u throw ulti in cuts through opens a passage and u gank from the side..or behind.
Spectacular.
Anyway,practise it and time it good.

Heesh_23

06-08-2007, 23:24

wht are the best items for vengfull spirit?
i usually buy like this:
>travellers boot
>yasha
>sange
>sange and yasha :laugh:
>maelstorm hammer

imaginary

06-09-2007, 00:12

Eh?
Ur first item is..BoT?
LoL -.-

U can do like:

Ror or tangos
Branches or circlets
Basilus(optional)
Boots
Bracers -.-
Lothars
S&Y
For last,choose between more dmg or more hp..

U can also make midas if u want..and either BoT or treads,depends on whats needed most..for u n team.

Heesh_23

06-09-2007, 00:23

where can i get eaglehorn and voidstone

Artificial

06-09-2007, 00:50

lol you serious? -.-

in the two hidden shops..
the one for sentinel is located upper left corner from the map, right from the tower...

the scourge one is located when you just exit your base from middle lane, right to the path

if you cant find them, stop by to some creep and ask him with this command:
/w creep: where is hidden shop?????
the 5 question marks are a must.

Heesh_23

06-09-2007, 01:01

lol im a begginner and nice kate banner

yujin93

06-09-2007, 09:23

wads the best item build for bloodseeker?sny n satanic?

malones007

06-09-2007, 13:55

but whatabout barathum for me is one of the best hero..can someone tell me what items to get for making some nice kills i usualy get 2bracers boots of speed tarasque and if i have money satanic

Artificial

06-10-2007, 01:19

wads the best item build for bloodseeker?sny n satanic?
Hmm if you are beginner, S&Y will be ok because he has low hps.. when you become pro, you can go with butterfly, buriz, HoT... ofc for early game 2-3 wraith bands..
but whatabout barathum for me is one of the best hero..can someone tell me what items to get for making some nice kills i usualy get 2bracers boots of speed tarasque and if i have money satanic
Yes indeed, he is one of the best because of his perma bash abilities.. for early game 1-2 bracers, then go S&Y because it gives you move speed, attack speed and maim, that's all what spiritbraker needs... after S&Y you can go with HoT, monkey king bar, and curias.

[addict][46]

06-10-2007, 21:44

last time i played dota my opponent got geomancer and he got wicked sicked.totally i dnt undrstand he can do it by using geo.can someone tell me how to use geo spell effectively and the best item against range opponent when early game..

@ss@sinu

06-10-2007, 22:37

Hmm if you are beginner, S&Y will be ok because he has low hps.. when you become pro, you can go with butterfly, buriz, HoT... ofc for early game 2-3 wraith bands..

Yes indeed, he is one of the best because of his perma bash abilities.. for early game 1-2 bracers, then go S&Y because it gives you move speed, attack speed and maim, that's all what spiritbraker needs... after S&Y you can go with HoT, monkey king bar, and curias.

i would get braces for 2 motives :
first he needs hp
and
second wraith if not so good for it doesn't give so good bonuses 2 low hp given and mana the same

imaginary

06-10-2007, 22:47

[46];561874'can someone tell me how to use geo spell effectively and the best item against range opponent when early game..
Check page 14 of this thread
Maybe it was discussed even earlier as well,just check the whole thread to be sure but in page 14 geomancer build is mentioned.

OMGBergrush

06-11-2007, 01:06

[46];561874']last time i played dota my opponent got geomancer and he got wicked sicked.totally i dnt undrstand he can do it by using geo.can someone tell me how to use geo spell effectively and the best item against range opponent when early game..

meepo has a standard setup that you will be using 95% of the time BoT, meka and vladimir. those 3 are a must. while some argue that you should make butterfly or manta i prefer to just stack up on str as you already have everything you need. your only weakness is mass nukers so avoid them if at all possible. in early game you have a big handicap[you are melee agil low hp low dmg no nuke spells...] so just buy your time until you are lvl6 even if it means having a 0/0 cs. to control meepo i usually keep them all under team 1 and keep my fingers on "e" and "tab" because thats all you really need. if one is damaged select him from the subgroup give him a team 2 send him to base but dont forget to exclude him from team 1 once you have told him to go b. return him as soon as he is healed up either with travel or with the second spell.
here is a recent replay of mine owning with meepo. the game was 4-5 form the start as someone left and game was invis so we agreed to make it that way.
one last thing: every farm with meepo is a good farm even if you dont get cash you still get 2/3/4x more exp than others and in this replay when others were lvl13-15 i was 23.

yujin93

06-11-2007, 15:12

hi...how do u use drow ranger?n wad char can own drow ranger?thx

EDIT by imaginary: Again,it was answered about trax in previous page..page 15 of this thread.Look a bit back before askin!

glop2

06-11-2007, 15:45

LoL blah and LoL

No
Im personally a S&Y lover for troll.It just rapes on melee with ulti on.

well.. you are Troll. You are the damage dealer of your team. You just put 5100 gold into an item that gives you +16 damage (i dont speak about the bonus IAS and MS, cause you already got those with your ulti). Nice. Now in a teamfight, Lion chooses you as a target (cause you are THE sentinel damage dealer). Lets say Lion as an equal skill as you. He farmed 5100g too, and got a Guinsoo (it costs a little more than 4000g). Hex + Hex. You are a S&Yd-sheep for about 10 seconds. For about the same amount of time, you could have killed Lion with only a BKB (3850g).

I'm speaking about Lion but this is only an example. It could be any disabler, in an organized team. Sorry if there's no disabler in the opposite team. This could be a PUB GAME then (:shh: )

If you read advices on dedicated Dota forum, you should know that S&Y is the worst items along with Dagon, and it only benefits to Spirit Breaker, and maybe Gondar. So stop flaming, basing your advices on your personnal "pub rapes".