Undead

[[ajs_MV]]

Hmm, i cant write it, i have wonderful Strategy, ppl pls write here about UndeadZ

[fk-tyrq]

undead are imba....but when i play ud...i always loosing :D

[brain-o-man]

Originally posted by fk-tyrq
undead are imba....but when i play ud...i always loosing :D
LOL then u cant say its IMBA:) :) :)
i play with UD they rule i have been playing ud since tft is out and more
Easyst oponent orc,hardest human;)

[tyrq]

hehehe
i dont know how to win with orc when i play ud
but becouse i always play human i know how to win with hum playing ud :D

[i00n]

heh but i dont know what to produce in ud i always massing ghouls & 2v2 sometimes i take mass fiends... plz tell me what i have to take to be better in ud. & plz tell me what i have to do when other player is orc & he is doing mass grunts + 2 demolishers & he going to my base when next day is beggining in game. He builds towers & protect them & attacking me from the distance with his demolishers..... what i have to do (he have SH & FS)......

[Drunken_BOB]

2-3 hero undead DK and Liche 6-8 fiends 2 statues.one heals the second gives u mana and about 4 gargoyles. in the ater part of the game abo and destroyers aare also handy.

[Who_Am_I]

Uds easyest opponent is human and hardest NE.If you are UD and play vs orc you go straight tech to destroyers and frenzy ghouls and abuse destroyer+statuse mana absorbtion.He can't stop your tech if you properly harass him with DK+rod.And if you play against good orc and go for fiends he'll rape you so hard that you won't be able to sleep for days....

[Who_Am_I]

If you don't know how to abuse absorb mana and scroll of protection and devour magic you really suck:)

[rosloo]

wanna heard about UD.
i will tell u.UD are the most abuser nation in the game.
u dont need to know to play UD to win = the nation winning for u.
UD is not the stongest nation There are ABUSERS. i hate UD expeseuly destroyers.

ABUSER=ABUSER=ABUSER = ABUSER

[i00n]

abusing race? i think not... if destroyer asorbs mana from statue it does not have it after 9-10 shoots... i dont think this is abuse:)

[Who_Am_I]

Man do you know what are 10 shots with orb who do splash damage and +20 damage???? And if you didn't know that in 1.15 orb had a bug. It did full damage to all targets not only the primary. Do you see now what kinda power does the orb have?

[i00n]

Whoops i dont know about that :p but nice bug :D

[brain-o-man]

Originally posted by Who_Am_I
Uds easyest opponent is human and hardest NE.If you are UD and play vs orc you go straight tech to destroyers and frenzy ghouls and abuse destroyer+statuse mana absorbtion.He can't stop your tech if you properly harass him with DK+rod.And if you play against good orc and go for fiends he'll rape you so hard that you won't be able to sleep for days....
Well i know all posible destos abuse,my favorite map gnoll wood :p :p ,but every good player mass fiends vs orc,even those hard core mass ghoull persons are starting to learn fiends vs orc,casue it MUCH easyer,in the beggining its a bit harder,but good micro >>all especialy when u have all range and he all melee,later go destos,he cant stop it with bathriders cause of web ,so he must make headhunters>they realy suck against ud low hpvs coil+nova=GG no re,or make wyvs if go and do that he cant micro cause of web and u can:p :p or raiders with ensnare but they cant kill a 900 HP destos easy,no extra damage and destos nice armor:) ,so orc sux easyst oponent to ud players,human hardest cause they can counter anything
This has been said by best UD players and i confirmed this man:)

[brain-o-man]

and dont call me n00b plz

Ok and here is the reason every good player goes fieds against orc not ghouls
U make 6 ghouls and go scout u c he is teching u cant do nothing against it,if u make more ghouls and atack u get owned by burros and 2 fast hero,then he makes wyvs and your 6 ghous are piece of **** !!!!! lost money man

[-Freestyler-]

lol spikes on orc buildings are also abuse vs ghouls but UD ownz orc in every other way :p

[padawan]

When teching to destroyers, which is a popular strategy vs orc, you'll need 10-12 ghouls in the first 7-8 minutes as support, but you don't go creep with them, just run around with DK abusing as much as possible, and if orc comes to attack your base he's in for a big suprise; now catas can be very dangerous but if he has only FS and grunts as usual you have to surround FS and kill him very quickly and I doubt orc will be fighting without hero so if nothing else ghouls are awesome hero killers. If he goes wyverns the worst you can do is to switch fiends, you build another crypt behind and mass gargs, then he will probably try to make some bats to support wyverns but you just keep mass gargs, destroyers and at the end maybe some wyrms as support.

[Who_Am_I]

Tell me one of the top UD players that uses fiends vs orc. I can tell you top but i mean really top players that use ghouls destros. That players are: Sk.yeyin aka sweet[saint] , sk.mad]q[frog , at-fov aka wcb_fov , even the one of the best elfs showtime.werra plays UD vs orc and go also for destros so... gosus don't use fiends:P And just go on some sites with gosu replays like www.wcreplays.com and find some of this players play vs orc. Look at madfrog vs best orc 4k.grubby in five games madfrog used destros and only in one he used fiends and he lost that one.And if you think that there are better UDs that these are i can tell you that you are crazy. And maybe i forgot star.werra he's also a great UD player.

[Who_Am_I]

And belive it or not mass orc air rape fiends. And BTW crazy frogy is back in sweden. I can't wait to see him in action vs european players.

[0nslaught]

check this replay out. It´s from St_GoStop.

Gosu + mass fiends + new replay

So there are gosus who go mass fiends vs orc.

[Who_Am_I]

Don't now say that UDs are building fiends against ORC coz now it's their only option because destroyer big nerf and bug fix

[brain-o-man]

No man u still go mass fiends+destos no matter what patch

One good player 4k.fury he always goes mass fiends vs orc,ne,ud
Go read his iterview man:D
Carion_beetle,and sk_madfrog realized that its better mass fiends,so now his latest replays are all mass fiends vs orc and wcreplay.com realy SUX go on www.replayers.com;)

[rainDrop]

Originally posted by rosloo
wanna heard about UD.
i will tell u.UD are the most abuser nation in the game.
u dont need to know to play UD to win = the nation winning for u.
UD is not the stongest nation There are ABUSERS. i hate UD expeseuly destroyers.

ABUSER=ABUSER=ABUSER = ABUSER they WERE abusers .. now they are ****s .. coz of idiot blizzard and their idiot patch 1.16 that made another ud unit ( after the banshee in 1.13 ) almost USELESS ... ud owned orc coz of destroyers .. now they r **** so orc owns ud again

[rainDrop]

who_am_i stop making me noob coz b4 the reset i was lvl 19 :P

[rainDrop]

Originally posted by Who_Am_I
Uds easyest opponent is human and hardest NE.If you are UD and play vs orc you go straight tech to destroyers and frenzy ghouls and abuse destroyer+statuse mana absorbtion.He can't stop your tech if you properly harass him with DK+rod.And if you play against good orc and go for fiends he'll rape you so hard that you won't be able to sleep for days.... thats right ne is hardest coz :
- destroyers are COMPLETELY useless vs ne
- fiends suck vs ne
- mass gul+garg requires a LOT of micro ( thing that i dun quite have :D)

[rainDrop]

Originally posted by Who_Am_I
And belive it or not mass orc air rape fiends. And BTW crazy frogy is back in sweden. I can't wait to see him in action vs european players. lol "mass air orc rape fiends "u make me laugh man fiends + web + burrow + a little bit of micro rape any kind of orc air

[rainDrop]

if he goes mass air what can u do ? ghuls ?? destros could beat wiverns but in 1.15

[Who_Am_I]

Do you think that madfrog is probably one of the best world players?? I think answer is yes. And do you think that orc air rape fiends when used properly? I guess you don't think so. And i'll give you a prove that orc air rape fiends.And this is only one game of 5 matches grubby and frog played and he always used destros and only once he used fiends and lost with them. And i don't give a **** about orc vs ud i just say that top UD's use destros vs orc. And they must use fiends now coz destros suck. And if you think fury is top player think again. There are at least 20 UD's on the world better than him so think again. And wcreplays is much better than replayers but i see that you don't give a **** when someone gives you a good arguments you always think that you are right and the other one is wrong so there is no point in arguing with you and i don't give a **** what will you use vs orc.And desros aren't useless against NE they are usefull against everyone in 1.15.

[brain-o-man]

Man those 5 shomathces were nice but they are way 2 old
Try downloading his newest replay vs orc and c his strat;)

[Who_Am_I]

That wasn't the showmatch it was a WC3masters finals and it was a game for 200€ so he played seriously and that replays are 2 weeks "old".

[brain-o-man]

Yes and he changed his opinion after he was owned by an orc player in 3 cg
Week ago there was a replay of him massing fiends,and he said himself on coments it was easyer then with ghouls :D

[-Freestyler-]

of course he said 17 fiends was easy to play with... :D

[Who_Am_I]

I just wanna see some UD massing fiends vs grubby and actually win with that strat. I would love to see that but probably i won't coz now grubby will rape the UDs like ****.

[brain-o-man]

HEHE go dl him against carion_beetle 3 games 2-1 4 carion_beetle :p :p :p :p

[[ajs_MV]]

Undead RUlez !!!!

Necromancer this beettter be goood..

With Meet Wagons......

MASS SKELET0nZ !!!!!! RulEZ

Destroyerz !!! Orb of Aufmuat?? RULEZ :)))))))))))))))

[Sky][RunneR-]

hey ajs_mv plz. dont teach us how to play with UD

[rosloo]

Originally posted by Sky][RunneR-
hey ajs_mv plz. dont teach us how to play with UD


he dont teach u how to play with UD.U dont need to know how to play UD, u need only to know what to build again what nacion and do not have lag.!!!:mad:

[FreaK_mkd]

undead is ****en abuser ... i hate UNDEAD i hate that race

[torogron]

u dont see the beauty in undead, dont u? the perfect smell of decay, flesh of used corpses... black magic.... u just dont get it, do u :D ?

[becks[07]]

well i see this hard discussion here,hell yeah undead is abuser race
but human is most abusing race,ne can rape any race with abusing and orc can win any race with abusing^^

any1 who want to abuse can win if he is good player

when i play vs orc i usually get fiends and usually win if i dont have lag,i dont get destroyers only if he is going for shamans,taurens or any casters..i dont use them for abusing just for dispell magic


btw orc is best micro race,and fiends own mass air if u have good micro and no lag

[becks[07]]

yeah and btw ne is most hard race for ud,me at least becuz its hard to win them without abusing

gouls+garg vs ne=ABUSING

well i abus only when i need win,but i dont usually abuse :D

[SlaYeR[ud]]

Undead is my best race....

You know what guys...

I defeated PoC-Darius ( The 1st Rank Player on Azeroth *SOLO*)........

But i defeated him with NE :) Elfs are better but...

Orc & Human SUX :)

UD - IMBA

NE - Ruleeeeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


:) I know all races all are good :)

In UD Destroyers sux in 1.16 :(

[torogron]

learn somethin more from a JEDI laws:

THERE IS NO IMBA, THERE IS SKILL :D:D:D:D

btw. imba sounds somehow noobish to me : /

[Who_Am_I]

I dunno i don't find gargs+frenzy ghouls abusing i think it's just the only thing that works against elf.Some Orc players may say that beastmaster is imba but...when i used warden and sometimes DH/keeper i had about 40% win vs orc and when i saw orc on loading screen i was just ready to losse.But now i tumbdown all non-tavern maps except lost temple( coz with fast expand( some may say another abusage) i can own orc without beastmaster) and in last 3 weeks since i use beastmaster i lost only 2 games against orc.One on ladder coz i forgot to build aow:) and other on CG with huge lag=no micro archers.And i dunno how can some UD losse if he goes ghouls+archers and NE has no expand.

In my opinion with same gold income UD/HU own NE :/ Sad but true.

[becks[07]]

i agree wit hu,but its the only way to win easy :p

[Arie-]

if you think that UD is IMBA then play more games.
For example: FFA game, human masses tanks. He just has to attack move and your dead. While you destroy his massonried bases he can destroy you 3 times. Play that and say this is not IMBa tt; Hu suxorz

[becks[07]]

if ur oponent getting tanks just get 3 meat wagen and u rox :p

[Arie-]

becks, i think u didnt understand. My army was 100\100 he just came and came from every sides. 5 tanks are not so easy to kill even with wagons! Dont forget the upgrades + my upgrades was for ranged cuz i dont have any melee in FFA's (wagons have melee upgrades). This is better counterable at the smaller maps, but still - its IMBA. When you play it you can see whats good or bad concidering that im not such a bad player. True?

[Who_Am_I]

Arie don't talk about FFA or 2v2 ,3v3, 4v4 coz blizz clearly said:"This game is only being balanced for solo".

[Sky][RunneR-]

Macedonia tactic is very good . he is playing only with nekros and meet wagons

[ZOMO-Misiek]

SlaYeR[ud] napisał(a)

Orc & Human SUX :)

UD - IMBA

NE - Ruleeeeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz



Translation:
NE - Is more imba then other races!

[becks[07]]

arie i know u rnt bad,human is imba but im talkin about its counters as i didnt excpect ur food will be 100/100 :D

[ESCAPE_MKD]

Originally posted by torogron
learn somethin more from a JEDI laws:

THERE IS NO IMBA, THERE IS SKILL :D:D:D:D

btw. imba sounds somehow noobish to me : /
YEap i mostly agree, but i must say HU is really imba- Conjure+Mk+Riffles+Few Casters good tactic for everything. U dont even need first line army, MK is enough

And i agree with becks about NE>UD
verry diff matchup for me too

[Arie-]

UD = NE
UD > Orc
UD > hu
UD = UD

[becks[07]]

ud=ne only on one case,u have same lag as ur oponent!

u cant win ne if u have lag,im talking about pro ne

and that forsure that ud=ud :D

[gosu][ud]

ud imba ... buheheh

ud is very hard to play
u need very good micro

[Arie-]

where i play there's no lag so stfu :D

[becks[07]]

lol,ok......but u could say it better than that dude^^

[Sky][RunneR-]

UD are abussers and ORC=IMBA also UD are IMBA too :)

[gosu][ud]

imba imba imba ...

u all sux ;)

[Arie-]

Originally posted by gosu][ud
imba imba imba ...

u all sux ;) I agree, just play the game. Try out everything, brace yourselves and you will see how you will win. There are no good players complaining about this and that. Just play it.

[SirHoe]

all und players should wacht this rep, this is not waste time like another reps

pliz tell me what is the counter for that human strategy

[becks[07]]

i dunno what to say LOL or ****

this does proff what i say,human is very abusing race^^

[becks[07]]

btw u can counter paladin with banshee-anti magic shield-

and vs these cars(forogt thier names :p) u could just get 2 meat wagens or something at least they would do better damage for them

still its very abusing

[Arie-]

or.. the pally just lights your banshees to death then your heroes then everything else then comes to your base and kills the acos then laughs laughs laughs until the enemy says gg and its over. Or maybe not :D

[Arie-]

Originally posted by becks[07]
btw u can counter paladin with banshee-anti magic shield-

and vs these cars(forogt thier names :p) u could just get 2 meat wagens or something at least they would do better damage for them

still its very abusing have you ever heard that meat wagons are very slow and have only 380 HP and that their missles (or body parts - say it as you like :D) fly very slowly to their tanks and that at least 2 - 3 tanks can avoid 2 MW? + they have HEAVY armor so they take extra damage from MAGIC attacks, what if the human has 1 - 2 gryphons?
Come on man, ive tried various strats against this, i even asked players like New_Nebu, X-first place in FFA ladder in Northrend how to deal with this, he said he he never found a way to beat that, and i asked Turbo.LT, the 1st place holder of the FFA ladder in Europe, a human player, AND my friend, he said, he is abusing that too. WHAT CAN YA DEW?

[TheFuckingScorp]

what can u do?
u can keep them out of your base... if they enter you're dead

[becks[07]]

if u see what i wrote they will do BETTER DAMAGE,u want win with just them
and if human have 1-2 gryphones and u dont have anti air then u already lost i guess ^^

they take less damage from every attack except siege one,u have adapt ur self to have some ^^,not to take such long time to kill them,thats what i meant^^

[Arie-]

Originally posted by becks[07]
if u see what i wrote they will do BETTER DAMAGE,u want win with just them
and if human have 1-2 gryphones and u dont have anti air then u already lost i guess ^^

they take less damage from every attack except siege one,u have adapt ur self to have some ^^,not to take such long time to kill them,thats what i meant^^ Im talking about FFA wheres everything possible :P, but have you ever tried going air vs tanks?

[becks[07]]

if u tried that,then u wil lbe ****ed up ^^,im talkin anti air fiends with web

[Terrorboy]

If this strategy is so IMBA why every human player dont use it...?I think it needs TONS of gold to regenerate mana and life your hero and it needs fast exp, what can be stopped. Maybe this is key to victory?

[becks[07]]

welli know imba strategys why i dont use it?? BECUZ I DONT LIKE ABUSING,i like to give my oponent chance to win :p


and every strategy have its weak points and the only way to stop this is to stop his fast expand or to be able to rush his base,
if pala reached to lvl 3 GAME OVER!
PS:i tryed this tactic even in mega lag i own

[becks[07]]

Originally posted by Arie-
or.. the pally just lights your banshees to death

in 1.16 banshee can cast A.M shield on itself and i dont guess u will have only one |^^|

[torogron]

hey becks, thx :D, u gave me a good idea about those banshees, because mainly while i try to possess i get chain lightnin + shockwave etc. on them, killin them, now, i ll A M them and heroes, + rest of magic goes to possess, and maybe they wont be killed :>!! thx again :D

[becks[07]]

np :D

[becks[07]]

but when urnt the host its impossiple to do so :P

[Who_Am_I]

Pfff you UD don't realise how banshes are good.You just go your same strats and somehow manage to win T_T.NE almost always use dott and talons are by FAR weaker than banshes.Look faerie fire vs curse in 1.17 -4 armor vs 33% miss(like 33% damage reduction) then that freakin bird form vs ams.That bird is ****ing useless and ams could be really useful(maybe counter to chims ^_^).And cyclone vs possesion.Well in most cases cyclone is better but if you manage to use posesion efectivly then it is more efective.So banshe is better at initiate/adept and about master, it's not so often that you see tier3 and master casters.You just don't wanna try that and see how efective it is.And when i once faced fiends ,banshes, 2 hero vs dryads,MG,archers,talons and warden i actualy lost coz of damn miss.I had like 12 archers and efectivly only 9 of them are shoting T_T yeah and dryads couldn't dispel as fast as they could cast so.....

[becks[07]]

as u dont know me well,dont talk that i dont use banshee :p

[Arie-]

Originally posted by Who_Am_I
Pfff you UD don't realise how banshes are good.You just go your same strats and somehow manage to win T_T.NE almost always use dott and talons are by FAR weaker than banshes.Look faerie fire vs curse in 1.17 -4 armor vs 33% miss(like 33% damage reduction) then that freakin bird form vs ams.That bird is ****ing useless and ams could be really useful(maybe counter to chims ^_^).And cyclone vs possesion.Well in most cases cyclone is better but if you manage to use posesion efectivly then it is more efective.So banshe is better at initiate/adept and about master, it's not so often that you see tier3 and master casters.You just don't wanna try that and see how efective it is.And when i once faced fiends ,banshes, 2 hero vs dryads,MG,archers,talons and warden i actualy lost coz of damn miss.I had like 12 archers and efectivly only 9 of them are shoting T_T yeah and dryads couldn't dispel as fast as they could cast so..... I can start like this: Pfff, you NE just dont know how effective doots are. I mean come on i just lost a battle to only faery fire! And bird form - this is super when compared to AMS, mass dotts with 3 - 4 MGs can beat mass gargs (WANNA BET?) and cylcone - i think the one that doesnt use this skill is just a chobo, possesion eh? Well ill tell you: POSSESION NEEDS A 200 RANGE, 4 SEC. CHANNELING and TAKE 2.25 TIMES MORE DAMAGE. This is **** you say? well make Dotts take more damage when they cast cyclone, also make them channel this spell for 4 seconds and in 200 range. You want that? So what caster is better? I personally take dotts than banshees. Also there is one thing: dotts are used in almost every game while banshees are used in almost 1/10 of games.

[Gaizk]

Read all this tread and you will see that every race is imba , is not that there are race more imba than others is just that they are imba in a different way , and about abusers , i dont doubt that there are lots and lots of abusers ready to abuse and those abuse tech cant be patched cause will make more and new tech and this circle will never end , this game is so damn open to every techinque so the best you can vs an abuser is to abuse him with other abuser technique , about tanks , is sooo damn imba , the only counter i see si to pray for your dearest good , and speaking of which also i wanna remark about races in general , i am not good with orc thats why i cant do the list but i can still say that every race has has his weaknes and pros against EVERY race , maybe hard or abused but is still somewhat balanced , for example ,against ghouls and gargs with Ne is a hard strat to beat but can be beated , i once fought it and i splitted my army in 2 partys , you would say that they big army can beat any party and is true but also this leaves you open to the other party , i raided his base with some siege and he tried to counter it , i just took the other party and sandwiched his army , he killed my siege weaponary but i entangled and tp his Dk .... no chance he has whitout a hero , it was easy since i just massed hunties and some archers and a moonstone , their gargs can run but their hero can easily to massed hunties and entangle so no hero no good flee and about the archers , i meltdown and evade ghouls and show them in the right moment he couldnt keep his ghouls at expectative cause of hunties , thats why moon stone is so efficient , he attacked my siege i entagled his hero and he tp to his base , y just keep the siege and he tried to attack my weaponarry without his hero , i used the hunties and surrounded the siege so he could reach it with ghouls and used archers to finish any garg that threathen my units , he tried to use a bag of appearence but i just entangled and finished his hero , in that moment his army was exposed with no chance to flee and i slaughterd them all ... of the 4 ballistaes 2 surivved an all my hunties and just 2 archers died .... his lich and dk died in the hands of the entangle and his gargs where decimated by melted archers , and i used warden to gain time by harassing him , my kotg and warden survived and they where nuked but my potions of invulnerability and healing and also a goooood micro kept him alive

[Who_Am_I]

Man so you would rather have -4 armor than 33% miss chance? Ok i sign that.AMS and Bird form are totaly difrent and for me both suck but i would rather have AMS than bird form coz AMS takes damage from batraiders so chims would be unstopable:D And i rarely see master casters and there is that talon>>banshee hard i said that before but 1st and 2nd spell banshee>>>talon.

[Rufus]

and 3rd level talon >>> banshee ~~`

[jujin]

it's bull ****. orc are very good. anybody thinking that UD ownes orcs is fool ! ! ! ! i can defeat every UD player with melee units + towers. make sh 1st and 2 grunts go creeping then fast tier go fs 2nd then u have at about 5 grunts built war mill also and go 2 demolishers ond 6 peons with u. scroll of speed and go to Ud base built towers and kill ****ing UD! then will stay only corpses in Ud base. i wont let u go demolishers :P

[becks[07]]

Originally posted by jujin
i can defeat every UD player with melee units + towers. make sh 1st and 2 grunts go creeping then fast tier go fs 2nd then u have at about 5 grunts built war mill also and go 2 demolishers ond 6 peons with u. scroll of speed and go to Ud base built towers and kill ****ing UD! then will stay only corpses in Ud base. i wont let u go demolishers :P

dont be so sure its all about luck and timing<experience>

[Arie-]

Originally posted by jujin
it's bull ****. orc are very good. anybody thinking that UD ownes orcs is fool ! ! ! ! i can defeat every UD player with melee units + towers. make sh 1st and 2 grunts go creeping then fast tier go fs 2nd then u have at about 5 grunts built war mill also and go 2 demolishers ond 6 peons with u. scroll of speed and go to Ud base built towers and kill ****ing UD! then will stay only corpses in Ud base. i wont let u go demolishers :P So ur'e challenging me eh? :D But really, i defeat about 80% of towerrushers, simply because they lose so much money in that fight, also, they lose their army, cause they dont want to TP away. :)

[jujin]

i know. everything in warcraft is about experience mikro and good units control. i lose against ttrastafarian because his good unit control :( but now i know that all races are balanced in TFT no one is the worst and no one is the best :P becks u r right it's all about experience but tower rushes are really good, u may defend a lot of tr but good tower offenses are difficault to break :P

[jujin]

if u want i can challange u !!!!!! my acc at xpam are jujin and the new one -m3r0w1ng- (only cg and UD pg:P)

[jujin]

everybody want to talk about orc u can find me at gg 2050790
sorry for tripple post :P

[jujin]

i dont think so -3styler- :P UD are good but dont sux orc in every way. i played a lot against UD because most of players play them, but i can counter a lot of Ud tactics. Someone said that the best strategy on orc is mass fiends, it's bull **** ! For fiends i make tc 1st with shockwave then sh with hex and mass grunts + spirit link then focus fire from fiends is weaker and they sux :P

[Terrorboy]

Most players play with UD??? Omg, I dont think so....However human can defeat UD only with 1 hero palladin and that is true, this is really high possible...And I think blizzard do big mistake, they so pump humans in 1.17. U dont think so?

[jujin]

palladin?????o_O u make me laugh :):):) this is the weakest 1st hero in warcraft blizzrd is much effective, not mistake. i can kill all the ud workers using blizzard :P hum are very balanced but thing make for everything are really make for nothing :P like hum. i can crash every hum army using mass grunts + shamans with purge + lighting shield and some anty-air trolls or batriders :P

[Terrorboy]

SirHoe napisał(a)
all und players should wacht this rep, this is not waste time like another reps

pliz tell me what is the counter for that human strategy jujin pls stfu.... :D u are really funny, if u say things like this...watch this replay first then say!!!!!:D it is really the best i ever seen. and what if he has nerubian in base???your archmage is **** then!and blizzard is also ****!u cast it, he run with acolites and u are dead man, haha!!WE is better!i think u say 2 much instead of play...u now level 7 or 8 player? test your "best" strategy vs high level players, not noobs, then say! and your grunts and shamans are **** vs powerfull human casters.I dont need army becoz i have MK man, and he is like little army...u can say what u want but humans have the best magic, and this is true. And PLS look this replay how "the weakest hero palladin" destroy 3 UD heros and his army!Even becks_[07] tell it is very hard to beat!Maybe u also him called a noob???

[becks[07]]

u r so optimistic :D

[Terrorboy]

becks[07] napisał(a)
u r so optimistic :D U think about killing acolites with blizzard? (impossible I think)

[Arie-]

Originally posted by jujin
palladin?????o_O u make me laugh :):):) this is the weakest 1st hero in warcraft blizzrd is much effective, not mistake. i can kill all the ud workers using blizzard :P hum are very balanced but thing make for everything are really make for nothing :P like hum. i can crash every hum army using mass grunts + shamans with purge + lighting shield and some anty-air trolls or batriders :P Marry me o_O

[Terrorboy]

omg the weakest hero in game is for sure blood mage not pall...but it will be changed and pall is high effective hero especially vs UD Jujin...he also can be usefull as 3rd hero to heal high-levels AM and MK.

[jujin]

u are wrong. blood mage is very good 1st or 2nd here against NE because of his AOE spell that crashes archers like a little bug

i will mary u arie :]

[Arie-]

Originally posted by jujin
u are wrong. blood mage is very good 1st or 2nd here against NE because of his AOE spell that crashes archers like a little bug

i will mary u arie :] Tell me a NE that goes archers vs hu :D

[Terrorboy]

He is very hardly ever used hero....look at hero usage report on battlenet: about 10 % humans game...guess why...?He is lol:)

[becks[07]]

Originally posted by Terrorboy
U think about killing acolites with blizzard? (impossible I think)
i wasnt talking about u i was talking about jujin how he can beat human :P

about killing acolyets with blizzard i think its even very hard to do it with pean if he is good player

[brain-o-man]

so arie he wants 2 marie u,u wonna marie him,i think its settled:D

[Terrorboy]

becks[07] napisał(a)
i wasnt talking about u i was talking about jujin how he can beat human :P

about killing acolyets with blizzard i think its even very hard to do it with pean if he is good player
Yes i know it, but he loves orcs so much that he doesnt listen rational arguments:)

btw>pls some1 tell me whats going with xpam???I cant play from yesterday....:(((Any1 know?

[Arie-]

Originally posted by brain-o-man
so arie he wants 2 marie u,u wonna marie him,i think its settled:D haha, joke

[brain-o-man]

Originally posted by Terrorboy
Yes i know it, but he loves orcs so much that he doesnt listen rational arguments:)

btw>pls some1 tell me whats going with xpam???I cant play from yesterday....:(((Any1 know?

re 4 btw

its sad read the anoncment

[Terrorboy]

Madmax write: Server filesystem CRASH :( (08-28-2004 do 09-27-2004) So it will be no working by 1 month? Omg....

[Rasul]

No. Its the time for which the thread will have an "annoucement" status.

[Terrorboy]

Rasul napisał(a)
No. Its the time for which the thread will have an "annoucement" status. Thx man I was in big fear:) I dont care about my acount, i just wanna play together with my friends once again...:) I think xpam is the best pvp server now. However I understand high lvl players>>>20, for them it is VERY SAD...

[jujin]

Terrorboy napisał(a)
Thx man I was in big fear:) I dont care about my acount, i just wanna play together with my friends once again...:) I think xpam is the best pvp server now. However I understand high lvl players>>>20, for them it is VERY SAD...

xpam is bad **** ! ! ! ! !
the game lvl is low players are noobs, try to have the same stats on bnet , so gl for u :P

[Terrorboy]

jujin napisał(a)
xpam is bad **** ! ! ! ! !
the game lvl is low players are noobs, try to have the same stats on bnet , so gl for u :P Jujin if u think that, why u still send posts here and play on xpam? No important. Just 1 thing: notice that no one have org and some ppl must play here so dont offend them pls! Its not perfect but notice u have it FOR FREE and it is good:) For example I have money for org but now I dont play so much and I dont need it! And I have good friends here, there are reasons I play here. GL HF GG:)

[jujin]

Terrorboy napisał(a)
Jujin if u think that, why u still send posts here and play on xpam? No important. Just 1 thing: notice that no one have org and some ppl must play here so dont offend them pls! Its not perfect but notice u have it FOR FREE and it is good:) For example I have money for org but now I dont play so much and I dont need it! And I have good friends here, there are reasons I play here. GL HF GG:)

i know what u mean but if i have money for org i defienetly will but it but now i bought board and i am out of cash :(:(:(

[brain-o-man]

yes well its not so good but its ok cause its fun with the diskers banning,chatting etc,the ladder just sux

[JennifeRAnistoN]

first YO ALL and zenedar and coldwave are the best on this server:D so fiends vs orc-of course what will u do whith ghuls when he gets chain and worse-wave u r a dead man.......so...fiends only possibilitty but u have to hold grunts away and with dk u cant...MAN all use this dk...MAN it is not so good/except vs hum :cool: / have u seen pro replays hum vs orc?am and beastmaster so we undeads should immitate-beastmaster and cl is a god hero combo..bear and hawk roks vs orc with rod and beetles are also good...u get mass summon and hold grunts away....AND EXCUSE ME BUT HARRRAS WITH DK VS ORC IS BULLL****!!!!!!coil and he hops in the burrow and u have ur **** in ur ass...... and what if he gets blade and u dk?????watch and cry........later tactic in game is a secret :p so funk off!!!!pirate versions ruleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[Arie-]

Originally posted by JennifeRAnistoN
first YO ALL and zenedar and coldwave are the best on this server:D so fiends vs orc-of course what will u do whith ghuls when he gets chain and worse-wave u r a dead man.......so...fiends only possibilitty but u have to hold grunts away and with dk u cant...MAN all use this dk...MAN it is not so good/except vs hum :cool: / have u seen pro replays hum vs orc?am and beastmaster so we undeads should immitate-beastmaster and cl is a god hero combo..bear and hawk roks vs orc with rod and beetles are also good...u get mass summon and hold grunts away....AND EXCUSE ME BUT HARRRAS WITH DK VS ORC IS BULLL****!!!!!!coil and he hops in the burrow and u have ur **** in ur ass...... and what if he gets blade and u dk?????watch and cry........later tactic in game is a secret :p so funk off!!!!pirate versions ruleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Ever thought that UD is the only race that has no faster mana regen. early game? stfu is my only word...

[JennifeRAnistoN]

arie i respect u as a player but u dont have to pump all the time the bear and move with it i creep with the rod and put the bear only in battle then i get a statue and VOALLA!otherwise what u suggest?dont say dk plz!itis pathetic!he gets theblade and wins the game!

[Arie-]

Originally posted by JennifeRAnistoN
arie i respect u as a player but u dont have to pump all the time the bear and move with it i creep with the rod and put the bear only in battle then i get a statue and VOALLA!otherwise what u suggest?dont say dk plz!itis pathetic!he gets theblade and wins the game! CL? he is a perfect hero there because beetles block passage to your fiends (raiders dont ensnare), they are free meat, they wont have dispell (purge - yeah, but thats too expensive, to just get them for that thing, disenchant - this could be goold, but ull still get raped, cause of lack of the front line and not to mention, he wont have raiders then, but thats what destros or frosties are for, right?). Another thing, you can always retrain to impale, when they have much dispell. Now this strat (CL, DK, fiends, destros, frosties) owns orc. Another, very annoying thing, could be DL first with slepp, vamp, sleep, vapm, vamp and panda with haze, drunken brawler (the crit. thing), haze, DB, DB. Ive won several games with this too. Da panda pqwzorz with 200 dmg and 45% vamp, some guy calculated that if 6 abos attacked your panda with lv 2 haze and 3 DB, the panda would still heal 14 HP per sec. Damn, too long, u wont read o_O.

[JennifeRAnistoN]

i am suggesting almost the same-just i counter the blademaster perfectly with the beastmaster...we have all been afraid to tech while there is a blade on the hunt...DL with fiends?ghuls are useless vs the FS....and i will heal my heroes with potions i dont need the dk-too weak vs wyverns and blade...u know on 1.17 dk -1 armor and even worse.. just try out the beastmaster and cl-dont pump the bear just in battle make the tech relatively fast and get the statues than make 2-3 banshees and curse look for wyverns-if yes +1-2 spiders if goes to taurens-raid with spiders and hawk on burrows then possesions tech3-2 garg if withdoctors and 3 destos..and PLZ PLZ some strat vs elf

[brain-o-man]

u guys ,have seen a pro replay where,some1 uses a bm,and cl
lol plz send that replay here t_T

first of all dk is a must vs orc,cause fiends witout his aura,are slower than grunts,he would just,kill 1 by 1 ,when grunts are low on HP,just runaway and heal,next time same thing and u losta game:p

[JennifeRAnistoN]

dk is too weak vs orc!i explained y!this is a strat i invented-u mkake a zoo with summons and once bm is 3 lvl hawk is too fast for withdrawing grunts

[Arie-]

Originally posted by brain-o-man
u guys ,have seen a pro replay where,some1 uses a bm,and cl
lol plz send that replay here t_T Yes, actually, i just deleted it :D FoV played with CL versus ELAKEDUCK, go DL that replay, its somewhere in the replays.net site. And yes, DK IS too weak against orc, but i prefer CL over BM, simply cause he can be healed and his summons are permanent + less mana.

[brain-o-man]

so where was the bm in that game ?!??!?

yes cl,i can find blons of replays,cl vs orc so, i said cl and bl!!

[Arie-]

Originally posted by brain-o-man
so where was the bm in that game ?!??!?

yes cl,i can find blons of replays,cl vs orc so, i said cl and bl!! i didnt say BM, i said CL only, That guy above me said BM -.-

[JennifeRAnistoN]

MEN i am coming from a tourney and wil say it 1 again-try the fukin bm-make a cg and TRY!i made last game bm+cl+dr-a whole zoo of summons-and i follow him well with hawk-no bm can be success-just try it!AND SOMEONE TELL mE A STRAT VS ELF-batmana masses hunt and elfs withh 2-3 barraks and takes 2-3 expands!!!!!!!!!he rapped us all!!!!!!!!!!!!!AND zenedar almost got the game vs batmana but made a HUGE mist and got batmana ****/if he has such...a bit angry to him -he rapped me also/in his mouth!!!!!

[sakky]

Originally posted by Arie-
Yes, actually, i just deleted it :D FoV played with CL versus ELAKEDUCK, go DL that replay, its somewhere in the replays.net site. And yes, DK IS too weak against orc, but i prefer CL over BM, simply cause he can be healed and his summons are permanent + less mana.

haahahha. what to say for AM then? lol

[sakky]

hey aniston stop telling bulls1t. all of u, DK is weak vs orc? hahaha, DK is best hero for UD in general. if u cant use him (and i doubt, u just whine, he is totally hard to kill, when game moves on, almost NOONE aims DK with some average army smth like chieftain with lvl6, but u just think what when u have lvl2 or 3 with him and armies are biiiiiiiiiiiiig) really n/c.
generally used hero vs ANY race for UD = DK. generally used for orc = FS, for HU = AM. AM and FS are easy to kill if u nuke them. DK? try to nuke him, no way. bull****, u can lose all army and u wont probably kill him. so much about nuking him, or killing DK vs FS, FS is having MUCH MORE PROBLEMS WITH BEING KILLED. better thing is to try finnish DK if he has low hit points, not to focus directly. yes, other heroes are good for UD, maybe UD vs UD there is DL also good, he can even be a substitute for DK, since DK is used mostly FOR NUKING, sometimes for making lich as a thank, but PRIMARY usage is NUKING. thats why orc doesnt like UD. u wanna say that orc owns UD? hahaha, then why all orc players mostly HATE UD?
destroyers are acting like heavy counter vs land melee. also they BEAT RIFLES so good when they have mana.
orc rush UD. orc rush all, and orc likes human, and hate UD. short and clear. ok paladin is imba in replay where one player is OBVIOUSLY WAY TOO MUCH BETTER. yes especially that gyrocopter rush is imba. hahahaah.
which race can overpower 2 times stronger army? only UD, with skeletons, that hurts bad orc especially (if ucan dispell them it doesnt mean u can be in advantage but to defend yourself good). wagonmancer vs orc + hero nukers = IMBALANCE vs orc. destroyers? imbalance vs orc and human.

[Arie-]

Originally posted by sakky
hey aniston stop telling bulls1t. all of u, DK is weak vs orc? hahaha, DK is best hero for UD in general. if u cant use him (and i doubt, u just whine, he is totally hard to kill, when game moves on, almost NOONE aims DK with some average army smth like chieftain with lvl6, but u just think what when u have lvl2 or 3 with him and armies are biiiiiiiiiiiiig) really n/c.
generally used hero vs ANY race for UD = DK. generally used for orc = FS, for HU = AM. AM and FS are easy to kill if u nuke them. DK? try to nuke him, no way. bull****, u can lose all army and u wont probably kill him. so much about nuking him, or killing DK vs FS, FS is having MUCH MORE PROBLEMS WITH BEING KILLED. better thing is to try finnish DK if he has low hit points, not to focus directly. yes, other heroes are good for UD, maybe UD vs UD there is DL also good, he can even be a substitute for DK, since DK is used mostly FOR NUKING, sometimes for making lich as a thank, but PRIMARY usage is NUKING. thats why orc doesnt like UD. u wanna say that orc owns UD? hahaha, then why all orc players mostly HATE UD?
destroyers are acting like heavy counter vs land melee. also they BEAT RIFLES so good when they have mana.
orc rush UD. orc rush all, and orc likes human, and hate UD. short and clear. ok paladin is imba in replay where one player is OBVIOUSLY WAY TOO MUCH BETTER. yes especially that gyrocopter rush is imba. hahahaah.
which race can overpower 2 times stronger army? only UD, with skeletons, that hurts bad orc especially (if ucan dispell them it doesnt mean u can be in advantage but to defend yourself good). wagonmancer vs orc + hero nukers = IMBALANCE vs orc. destroyers? imbalance vs orc and human. no

[JennifeRAnistoN]

I see u havent played w3 for much too long!just see this-dl in mirror match!!with ghuls!!man this is pathetic!in bg there are discussions all the time and the best hero vs ud with ud is cl and always spiders and 2-3 destos!POINt!no more discussion!man plz dk cannot be focused!have u ever played ud?no need to focus-just let wolves focus him and rap spiders with the grunts!some hits on dk with fs and he starts running!fs being killed!focus with what spiders?and get into grunts hands?or with ghuls?see up-disc about ghuls-waste of money!and the waggon strats-man u are playing reign of chaos still!go with those wagons anywhere and suddenly orc in ur bak!and u what?for 3 sec-no waggons!sakky i see u are not the man i may receive help from!plz dont bother me any more!arie- sad it short and clear!for ur strats just-NO!

[SlaYeR[ud]]

Undead are imba !!!
Undead are stupid !!!

Undead are inbacilz !!!



BTW, This thread is cool

[JennifeRAnistoN]

i agree with all those tactics-dk,lich,gargsvs ne,and all such stuff!BUT!i am playing everyday vs zenedar,coldwave,batmna and 3-4 ppl as good as them!if u think u can use standard strats vs these guys!lol u r the man!/in last tourney DoS ravager used dk+lich+cl vs coldwave!ravager was rapped so hard that in the 10 min he was doomed!

[Arie-]

Originally posted by JennifeRAnistoN
i agree with all those tactics-dk,lich,gargsvs ne,and all such stuff!BUT!i am playing everyday vs zenedar,coldwave,batmna and 3-4 ppl as good as them!if u think u can use standard strats vs these guys!lol u r the man!/in last tourney DoS ravager used dk+lich+cl vs coldwave!ravager was rapped so hard that in the 10 min he was doomed! who are you?

[JennifeRAnistoN]

one sweet virgin

[RockYz*4]

or fat dude, with hotest woman name

[Terrorboy]

He is man not woman- 4opara:)

[JennifeRAnistoN]

i am hardcore fukin with everyone here!SO gUESS!-if i am woman i will receive cg every day!butno respect!if i am boy i will be respected but noone will playa cg with me!so plz guess!boy or girl!

[Terrorboy]

Man do you remember me...? My nick is OMG and we chatted 2 days ago...And u say me: I AM 4OPARA AND MY STATS WAS 140:17 HERE or smg like that....So if isnt true that means u lie here.....

[D3V1ouS.ColD]

JennifeRAnistoN---- was my girlfriend N00b u dont belive she is girl so what is she cant belive girl g00d on w3 ??? she play on PC since 1994 !!! so she become gameR girl problemo ??? if u cant belive she is girl SUck my **** :-D

[Terrorboy]

man its not important for me if she is your girl or boy or smg...or u are ***s or not....I dont care about it, belive me...u can sux your ****s each other, its not my buisness so STFU ok?

[sakky]

he (or she) is stupid. some inovations work in some cases, but i say tower rush cant work if its expected. but it CAN be strong if enemy isnt expecting that. but just try to do tower rush in every game, u ll see. many players (like taker) make opponent busy while towering him (and opponent cant see that usually:)) so they see towers when its too late.
DK is mostly stupid to aim at if he gets high level enough (3-4 is enough) he can kill few units and teleport, and u can nuke FS at any time he get his ass near. pffffff. also if u expect your DK be aimed, then why dont u get death pact spell? coz they usually DONT AIM DK. n00b. and that aura makes your army pretty fast, that regen isnt so important, but your army moes at MAX speed when u get lvl3 or 3. yes, DK is aimed vs orc on start, but when he gets big enough level its much harder.
spiders are good. in UD vs UD they can be good and ghouls are good also, but UD vs other races, much better choice is going ghouls especially since only u can raise dead from your ghouls, not enemy. also better tech, better flexibility in changing strats..... spiders are easier to control by not losing units, better than ghouls. but ghouls with frenzy make strong stuff.

[sakky]

also spiders ARENT counter to grunts. orc is the hardest race to counter malee by mass ranged (NE hunts are easieest, but still u cant counter hunts by spiders only). anyone watched replay of alt) vs grubby? alt)duckie von 2-1. both games grubby lost because of trying to rush UD, thinking that he already won. u know what that mean? that mean that even top players can lose coz of bad judgement, and that even they make mistakes. only difference between them and other good players is that they make less such mistakes. grubby even lost vs fatC 2-1 i can send u replay and u can see that he was winning but he lost coz of bad judgement. u cant avoid making mistakes sometimes, but u can make yourself better by not making mistakes often. blizz said that too.

[sakky]

hey also arie what means no? it means u lose DK when he gets level? ofcourse he can be killed if u let him standing and being focused, but take care that he has way much hps that FS. so much about killing DK. only orc goes to kill DK on start of the game mostly. yeah anyone goes to kill Dk also if u wanna get item or smth like that. afterall its only target around, and couple of foots + AM + WE can make DK running back. kill him? dont make me laugh. orc CAN MAKE DK to run even in UD base. but when DK gets some better level he becomes rigged hard. coils almost dead units which run away, from LARGE distance. and u can nuke Fs with nova (150damage first level) and coil with 6 sec cooldown (if u get lvl2 coil it means 200 dmg). FS runs when he is coiled and freezed by lich and DK.
afterall i dont know who nukes mostly. ok if any hero was planned to be unable to kill, he would have invulnerable armor (like paladin aura). afterall if any of UD players is in dnger of being nuked, then simply get death pact as second spell, not aura. why then UD go aura? coz DK isnt so easy to kill when he gains some bigger level, and aura is so cool stuff.

[becks[07]]

let me correct something here nove lvl 1 100 dmg+50 nova dmg
lvl2 150 dmg+150 nova dmg,lvl 3 150 dmg+200 nova dmg,i know its make more target dmg but thats what have been wrote :D.

ok enough jokes,u r making sencless argument here its like saying u cant nuke mk but mk can nuke keeper fast :P,yeah dk have advantage that his attack rate fast,but u just think about ud without dk^^

u say gouls vs every race including orc??orc is known to rush and grunts>>>gouls faraway and u say that gouls after gouls frenzy can do anything??that means that his fs and tc(as most orc goes vs undead r both 3-4 lvls or more)
hehe chain +wave with good aoe byebye gouls,what do u think?wave and chain even own fiends,there is no other way to win that only by abom's or frosts,dest after 1.15 not very effective :P

[Icantseeyou]

Hey Becky , can u tell me some tactics.Me Orc vs Orc.

[JennifeRAnistoN]

with every ur next post i think u r more stupid!plz dont make me bored anymore!i told U!U R NOT UD!dont teach me to play with ud!i play w3 from beg with ud!u r not match for me if u r ud/dont have a loss from ud/so STFU!i said it before u can say stfu to some1 weaker than u!dont do it again with cold!/if u think u better tell me -imm 1v1!/enou with this ghuls-beks is right!enou with ghuls vs ud with ud-told u disc in bg showed ud vs ud-only spiders with 2-3 destos!FULL STOP!u say cl better than bm!y?beetles much worse than bear+hawk!vs orc ud aims to lvl up and kill 1 grunt fast so raise sk!man with ur beetles grunts just pass them like a small railway station and at spiders!/for nova damage-no comment-it looks like u believe only stats!see real dam than coldwave!/so anyone except beks on this thread /may be without arie-too/STFU!!!!!!!!!

[JennifeRAnistoN]

excuse me!

[JennifeRAnistoN]

if u mass summon chain and wave make dammage to them not to fiends!

[Terrorboy]

JennifeRAnistoN napisał(a)
excuse me! No problem, man;)

[becks[07]]

Originally posted by JennifeRAnistoN
if u mass summon chain and wave make dammage to them not to fiends!

chain and wave at least wave they r aoe spells,it depeneds on the player that he aims them to fiends not summons :P

[sakky]

chain+shock = deadly combo for ghouls and foots. but orc isnt concerned for ghouls, since orcs have STRONGEST land units. orc fears of destroyers. listen this up, blizz says destroyers arent heavy air unit for UD but frosts, but u tell me if they arent, then why u go them against heavy land? coz for frosts u need long time, like for chims and gryphs to upgrade all stuff, and destos are much more faster to get. ok no problem, but why do they need to be so rigged to NOT EVEN being countered with light air in same food amount when they have mana? ok even while they dont have mana, they act like hard stuff, but CAN BE COUNTERED BY SAME FOOD AMOUNT OF RIFLES. with mana, they cant be countered. and its not like going chimaeras in 3v3 where u can feel that heavy air can counter land ranged units so good. its balance ofcourse, and all UD players who think about it go that stuff.
i dont say human dont have imbalances, but those arent imbalances by final use, but militia rush and tier2 casters.
orc? orc>>every land stuff thats their imba stuff. orc rush all races, and upgrades w/o towers in most of cases. no need for towers since opponent must be in base to defend from 1grunt and FS +wolves.
NE? yeah best focus, hit and run those stuff, only problem is vs human coz u can counter thier arch+talon strat easily. only "hard to counter and to beat" strat vs human = bears +dryards. but u must stop them getting it. rush stuff:)

[sakky]

and i m glad that guy fake was banned. he was so stupid to get it out. aims to kill grunt. ofcourse. most of UDs and all other races run in home safety to protect from orc rush. u know whats imbalance vs UD? its militia rush, in certain maps, and tier2 ofc. u know what is UD imbalance?destos imbalance, garg red camp creep in 5-6th min of game, and few bugs. if udont use those things, too bad for u. and if u upgrade base w/o nerub tower to make me spend teleport, too bad for u. coz i usually defend myself with arcane tower, which defends me from DK rush. only vs orc there are certain imbalances which are really n/c. and sure, u can up skels only from enemy units, u cant from ghouls:o
and stupid guy just flooded, didnt read that i said nothing about CL vs Beastmaster. and his compare is totally n/c and without any sence. and all ppl here know that.

[Arie-]

too long, didnt read :D

[Terrorboy]

Arie- napisał(a)
too long, didnt read :D Lol, me 2:D I told him "write less and more effectively" but....

[D3V1ouSljenni]

U r hopeless!!!!!first u say all gosus go ghuls vs orc than u say orc doesnt care for ghuls!!!And that chymera stuff and destos..and lightairvs destos...who is talkin about that????light air:D and fiends are for??????ufff....u should be banned not me:D :D :D who reads that stuff????MAN y do u write all that????????who r u talkin to?????hey beks when blok taurchief with summ he cannot go and wave the fiends in a line!!ALL-play more talk less!!!Marshall no sense to ban me-i can change ip:D :D :D :D I will take ur head marshall!!!just after we dos become the best clan in another server!!!

[Arie-]

i didn't read anything above, but good players go ghouls, abos, destros, fiends vs orc because of the ghouls' maneuverability.

[Arie-]

oh, and by the way, nice thread :D

[becks[07]]

if u think summons gonna be problem for orc,just think about shamans purge,and maybe he will use spirit walkers,summons rnt problem to any race if he got tier2,except undead

[D3V1ouSljenni]

what r u gonna purge?beetles+skeletons+bear+hawk!!THAT is what i call MASS PURGING!:D How many shamans u suggest?10-12?purge man purge!!!Counter the summons!:D /u know i have only 3 heroes and no other units:confused: -did u think this?/ah..walkers;) 150 mana for a dispel!man this is 3 food and u r gonna dispel once!:D Once ud gets a REAl MASS SUMMON orc is doomed!

[TheFuckingScorp]

i have a question: wands of neggation still exist?

[becks[07]]

well whatever u think its not that easy just try it and show me what u did ^^

[D3V1ouSljenni]

i ave done it in a tourney and rapped 2 orcs!the second had to deal with 15-20 summons

[g0d]allseer]

too much talking, no points, too much abrevations and too much punctuation and smileys!!!
didn't read a ****... :P

[D3V1ouSljenni]

Who da fuk r u to say that me,arie,beks and toro say bull****?sk.inso?

[Arie-]

Originally posted by D3V1ouSljenni
Who da fuk r u to say that me,arie,beks and toro say bull****?sk.inso? Not like you, i think before i post

[gosu][ud]

best strat ud vs ud?
make the same but with better micro ;P

[torogron]

i have come lately to a conclusion that banshee's are good but they must attack SUDDENLY, an unsuspectin event with possesion on the last battle is a battle won (tauren/abo) -> i lately stopped usin them, because on NORTHREND ppl are a bit better, and if they will recon my base and see banshee... on the beginning of battle they will try to crush them... they will just concentrate on them:/ ...

i dislike the idea of usin ghouls VS orcs ... but in other cases vs NE they are great :), of course u cant have lag at all to control them good, and ... well... it is hard to control 330hp, and worse that it is small :D and u have a ****ty mouse :D!

nevertheless u can make a bad life for a HUM and NE with ghouls even later, on UD destro are an easy way to take em out:

HUM -> on 1.17 i start to lose usin my ghoul skills, so i know i lack them :/, and of course, it would be better to send 2-3 abos in front!

NE -> even MG cant help :D -> if bears u ll go destro :>

and frankly i always use DK!! coil is just a very useful skill -> coilin creeps while harassin + ghoul lvl-uppin on green creeps:) it aint hard, but i have lost :D:D:D a 3lvl DK on turtles on TR while i was harassing NE with gargs^^ it aint easy, but it aint hard:)

a GOOD MOUSE is a key to victory ;P

[Who_Am_I]

Np controling 330 hp unit ^^ But what about when those 330 hp units go against 245 hp unit with medium armor ^^ that is called balance:D So i should build hunts to counter melee, nice thing but you forget something, hunts are as good as dead as soon first garg come out from crypt:P And you 2 guys that suck at english should try to stfu and learn something about game or play vs someone good to shut up their ****ing n00bie asses. I don't know about UD vs ORC i think it is pretty hard for UD:D 2 weeks ago i accidentaly entered a ladder game with UD and played vs orc :D It was funny stuff guys. I started with fiends but they got owned by grunts so i switched to ghouls and added lich so i can pwn the *** seer with my uber leet gosu suround skilzz:P after that didn't work out as expected i just used the good old imba all in one unit- destroyer and game was surpisingly over in few minutes as soon i got out 4-5 destros :P High Hp, high armor,average damage,dispel,orb,magic imunity( but coilable). What do you want more? The only thing i find counter to those beasts in whole game are hipos. Ground is just not a viable option coz of uncaped aoe(nova, impale), spells also unusable like summons:D So UD have godlike all-in-one unit and you still complain about it :mad: They even rape archers and they are meant to rape air right? Yeah it's me again with my whining but deal with it destros are imba and so are gargs. And that thing that garg in 1.17 sometimes get stuck in stone form isn't a bug it is a feature to balance those *****es. I don''t say NE don't have imba stuff and abuses(probably NE had most of the abuses in whole game starting from 1.00 starfall to 1.05 aow, fast creep DH to level 6 and then with 5-6 potions just come in his base and say GG or good old dryad massing to new days of beastmaster abusage and circlet/boots and ofcourse the merchants)

[sakky]

gargs = **** and blizzard says they are balanced. UD upgrades fast and guess what? gargs are air units which can attack grount better than grunts in same food amount (and they harass good some camps around wich give u good item). so u know what that means (+ they fly and kill air units like crazy). so imba units. orc is race which is hard to be outsmarted by kiling their units around like u kill e.g. footies, ghouls, archers, rifles, hunts and then all in one few time doing that getting significant advantage. grunts are extremly hard to kill, and little micro = almost "mission impossible". that why UD goes ghouls + nukers. orc gets wind riders, and UD must get spiders. spiders by itself can beat that **** and quite good, but u forgot about wolves+ just few grunts and heroes. orcs have strongest land army and thats main problem. and better dont try to get gargs vs orc, u ll find out the point when u try that:P those imba units arent so good vs orc (but sure they are vs elf sepecially:D).
and destroyer is something what orc certainly dont want to see and try to counter with headhunters. simple, orc has problem with air, and vs UD, those noncapped UD spells are ****. most funniest thing is that in previous patch 3 bats were needed to kill 1 destroyer (LOL haahhaha and gg:D). and u can coil such units, but they cant be harmed by spels. destroyer is just like buffed now, but it isnt, its just refixed becaue it had a HUGE BUGGGGG in their favour. but like blizzard said, it shouldnt be heavy air, but an anticaster like spellbreakers arent there to be substitute for melee, or faeries to be like flying archers. funny they didnt mention orc anticaster + they dont realize that destroyer IS acting like heavy air (and most UD players ADMIT that). at least if it IS HEAVY air, it should be countered with light air (hawks, bats, gargs, hypos) very excellent. sad but true, it isnt the case. bats and hawks? sure:P

only problem for UD vs orc is to GET destos. then orc is in big problem.

[Demonhide_PT]

Gargs are very easly countered with ranged units... like Rilfeman, Trols, Fieds or even archers... they have very low HP and armour