Denies

[-Riki-]

What do you think about denies?
Some people thinking that's the way u go, i mean if you denying your winning, making your enemy weaker, but other people thinks that's a dirty play.. your also getting farm and don't letting your enemy get the same lvl - where is the point denies?!

I wanna hear your thoughts about denies.

[ENJOYus]

You're kinda spammer aren't you? anyway, i think denying is very important part of dota, no way it can be called dirty play, since everyone who can do it, does it (watch CaL replays)

[Fuzzy66]

I agree. And look at the standard league and TDA rules it says nothing bad about denying (as a mather of fact i dont know they even mention it):)

[Xfire]

denying is good, but not always. sometimes you need creeps to tank for you.

[Fuzzy66]

Well they actually wont tank much if you arent last hitting them. But if you are only last hitting them then its ok.

[Xfire]

or maybe to take a tower down.

[-Riki-]

But, did u though about your enemy, lets take an expaple, i'm using Vega, and my enemy is sven... lets say i'm pro with denies so i getting 50% of them, what a poor meele can do anything vs ranged? i got lvl 8 while he still on lvl 3, it wasn't that fair game. even his my friend so it wasn't a noob.

[ENJOYus]

1. call allies to help
2. why cant he deny? mostly melee base dmgs are bigger than rangers (exceptions exist, of course).
3. What is Vega? :D

[Xfire]

But, did u though about your enemy, lets take an expaple, i'm using Vega, and my enemy is sven... lets say i'm pro with denies so i getting 50% of them, what a poor meele can do anything vs ranged? i got lvl 8 while he still on lvl 3, it wasn't that fair game. even his my friend so it wasn't a noob.
1."vega" maybe he refferes to Vengeful Spirit.
2.my favourite hero is SVEN and in my opinion the best, so I wont let you say "poor melee" about him . :D:D:D

[-Riki-]

Heh yea, i mean to Vengefull Spirit, we played 2v2 so allies wasn't the best idea, but when my Vengefull got high dmg, i just blocked his farming by dmging his hero, so at the first 5 min he couldn't do anything, poor sven :(
at late game they team work and eazly killed me, but i still got higher lvl for this Denying.

[Merlini]

Denying, of course, is important, but not in terms of not allowing your enemy
to experience. To me, the most important part of killing my own brave
creepus is to not give yor enemy gold. I have never outleveled my enemy
more than 2-3 levels. And this is only to be seen at level 10-12 (assuming
none of us had to go back to fountain). If you realy want to deny out of
experience, try killing your allied heroes. Venomancer's or Lucy's combos are
not that effective, as one might think ;).

[Xfire]

"try killing your allied heroes" ? i think i didn't understand that. o_O

[imaginary]

Lol marsara u dont know that? He means try to teamkill ur ally if he takes doom for example,n cant escape death,u can teamkill him(like u kill an allied creep) just before he dies to deny ur opponent..
However,u have to be carefull..be sure he is definately goin to die from doom n then try to teamkill him..:P
Ofc u can do that with any spell that causes dmg for a period of time,like shadow strikes,veno ulti..

[-Riki-]

I never teamkill before, but it's sounds cool to kill allies, i waiting for their scream of "WTF Noob" heheh it might be more funny if they could survive without my teamkill :P
Nice idea dude. or dudet? heh

[Xfire]

i had a match where furion trappes his own allies in Sprout, and they all die :laugh: . ofc they all left the game after that.

[-Riki-]

MarSara']i had a match where furion trappes his own allies in Sprout, and they all die :laugh: . ofc they all left the game after that.

heheh u telling it like a joke, but i rly did it once.. when some1 ks my kill. :) it was so funny to see his, poor man xD

[Ms123]

deny only the creeps with red hp ~~ i think thats the best way... so ur enemy doesnt get the gold from them ^^

[ENJOYus]

Lol marsara u dont know that? He means try to teamkill ur ally if he takes doom for example,n cant escape death,u can teamkill him(like u kill an allied creep) just before he dies to deny ur opponent..
However,u have to be carefull..be sure he is definately goin to die from doom n then try to teamkill him..:P
Ofc u can do that with any spell that causes dmg for a period of time,like shadow strikes,veno ulti..

You cant attack allies if he only has veno ulti, neither if its battle hunger or maledict

EDIT: why would u kill ally with veno ulti anyway? it doesnt finish off

[WarS0ul]

Denying is good way to play dota , bcoz you deny only the red hp creeps and the enemy doesnt get the gold nor the exp from the creeps you denied , and if some one calls it a dirty play i dont mind it his problem :happy:

[Joana06]

I once kill my teammate (sniper) who has on 20-30 hp, with Nigthmare - last lvl ( i was Bane Elemental in that game) :).
Denying is microskill and is nice way to u,re enemy stay poor (I mean with gold and exp) T_T

[-Riki-]

Denying is good way to play dota , bcoz you deny only the red hp creeps and the enemy doesnt get the gold nor the exp from the creeps you denied , and if some one calls it a dirty play i dont mind it his problem :happy:

On this case, ranged heroes have a big preference i wanna see anyone farming with Rikimaru, vs Venga or Traxex for the first 5 lvls... that's imbosible only if u get ring of healing, what you will not have, if that's a 5v5 game.

[Xfire]

On this case, ranged heroes have a big preference i wanna see anyone farming with Rikimaru, vs Venga or Traxex for the first 5 lvls... that's imbosible only if u get ring of healing, what you will not have, if that's a 5v5 game.
that's ring of health - and in a 5v5 game you can have it at lvl 5 , in an -em even at lvl 3-4 if you have at leaste 6 cs.

[-Riki-]

MarSara']that's ring of health - and in a 5v5 game you can have it at lvl 5 , in an -em even at lvl 3-4 if you have at leaste 6 cs.

My dear, lvl 5 its too late... On lvl 6, u don't need it anymore, and until lvl 5, your enemy denies for lvl 8 :(
I'm using rikimaru, and trust me.. it happens, on late game u get this lvls back... but its still little un-fair

[Xfire]

why you say that is late? it's never late. and i always make perseverence after boots.

[-Riki-]

MarSara']why you say that is late? it's never late. and i always make perseverence after boots.

On my tactic... Persev is waste of money, u better get S&Y before.

[Xfire]

why? it's great - 4/hp regen/sec + 100% mana regen + 7 damage . and also i use it for battlefury on sven. :p:p:p. if you don't need it afterwards, you can sepparate tha ring from the stone and make other items.

[-Riki-]

MarSara']why? it's great - 4/hp regen/sec + 100% mana regen + 7 damage . and also i use it for battlefury on sven. :p:p:p. if you don't need it afterwards, you can sepparate tha ring from the stone and make other items.

Rikimaru don't have nothing to upgrade persve to, he don't need Bfury, and Also pointless with Linken, so better get s&y, and start to hunt heroes!

[Xfire]

i said it from a strenght heroes player's point of view :p:p:p .

[RockNation]

This is getting off topic here.

[Xfire]

maybe, but i was just tryin' to explain.

[Fuzzy66]

lol denying and preservence kinda dont go into the same post

[Xfire]

yea, a lil' off-topic.

[brightb]

What do you think about denies?
Some people thinking that's the way u go, i mean if you denying your winning, making your enemy weaker, but other people thinks that's a dirty play.. your also getting farm and don't letting your enemy get the same lvl - where is the point denies?!

I wanna hear your thoughts about denies.

well riki u know what i think about this... all this thread started in-game on a stupid argue if denying is/isn't dirty.
well... u got your answer.

[-Riki-]

well riki u know what i think about this... all this thread started in-game on a stupid argue if denying is/isn't dirty.
well... u got your answer.
I found out its nesecery on 100% of times, but it will not change my thinkin about dirty play.

[-Riki-]

Also now its specialy needed, Denies getting u minor exp on the new Version of dota! now even the noobs have to start getting pro!

[Xfire]

now even the noobs have to start getting pro!
the world is turning up-side-down.

[-Riki-]

MarSara']the world is turning up-side-down.
Also br gonna rule? muahaha

[Xfire]

and malayesia. :D:D:D

[WarS0ul]

Listen i still didnt got 1 thing , in 6.36 you get xp for dening creeps or ur emey gets exp IF you deny the creep ?

[Joana06]

Yea you get minor exp. :)

[Xfire]

Listen i still didnt got 1 thing , in 6.36 you get xp for dening creeps or ur emey gets exp IF you deny the creep ?
you get if you deny . :)

[-Riki-]

Yea you get minor exp. :)
People that's not true, i checked it.. and u should get exp from deny, but your not getting nothing like old versions.. :(

I quess it's a bug or somthing.. i tryed 10 denies, and no1 gave exp.

[H3ndriX-pt]

On this case, ranged heroes have a big preference i wanna see anyone farming with Rikimaru, vs Venga or Traxex for the first 5 lvls... that's imbosible

when and where?

dota = last hit and teamplay

deny = last hit

deny = dota

[-Riki-]

when and where?

dota = last hit and teamplay

deny = last hit

deny = dota
I didn't got you, but lets say u wanna try last hit? which noob let u stand next to creeps without hit u, and u think u can come everytime to hit&run (like skazi) ?!
Try it with me, u will never reach lvl 2 by this way.
Heroes like venga, will stun you at the first time she can, and will eazly get your low hp to death.
3rd stun your done.

[Xfire]

try this vs Sven.

[RockNation]

MarSara']try this vs Sven.
If I read another thing about sven in this thread I'm closing it. I am getting sick and tired about sven everywhere, sven ownz all heroes sven sven sven. :dry:

Not even roguenight. I'm meaning it. Sven, rogueknight or whatever name he has besides those 2.

[Xfire]

ok, Rogueknight. :p

[H3ndriX-pt]

I didn't got you, but lets say u wanna try last hit? which noob let u stand next to creeps without hit u, and u think u can come everytime to hit&run (like skazi) ?!
Try it with me, u will never reach lvl 2 by this way.
Heroes like venga, will stun you at the first time she can, and will eazly get your low hp to death.
3rd stun your done.

when and where?

and what the heck is skazi

[Xfire]

who's skazi?

[WarS0ul]

MarSara']who's skazi?


If i am not wrong skazi is israli hause music maker ..

[Xfire]

rofl what does that have to do with dota?

[WarS0ul]

MarSara']rofl what does that have to do with dota?

Dont ask me i didnt posted it and WTF get a life ! i just posted it -_-

[Xfire]

well, i know every reply to a post cuz i have instant mail notification for every post on this forum ^^ about 5000 unread messages in my mailbox.

nice... :)

[-Riki-]

MarSara']rofl what does that have to do with dota?
Skazi is an israely music maker, he have one song called "Hit And Run".

[H3ndriX-pt]

Try it with me, u will never reach lvl 2 by this way.



still waiting???


finally found the post ^^

[Xfire]

Skazi is an israely music maker, he have one song called "Hit And Run".
nice. does skazy now how to play dota 2? :p:p:p

[WarS0ul]

MarSara']nice. does skazy now how to play dota 2? :p:p:p

Marsara you mind stop spaming pls ? ur posting alote of nonse posts .

[bugi_bi]

sometimes when i attack my creep/tower/hero game stops my character...why prevent if its allowed....

[Xfire]

Marsara you mind stop spaming pls ? ur posting alote of nonse posts .
ok boss. ;)

[-Riki-]

sometimes when i attack my creep/tower/hero game stops my character...why prevent if its allowed....
U mean attcking your allies units\towers?
That's becuase u can't dmg allies units\tower below they get low hp, U can only finish them, on red-yello hp before other kill them.. to save the exp.

[Xfire]

i like destroying my own towers ... :D:D:D

[LakiStrike]

MarSara']i like destroying my own towers ... :D:D:D
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh do you???

[Ms123]

yeh.. when its like 3 hits from disappear its the best to kill them :D

[straider]

the best is when 4 enemy heros are destroyng the tover and u can land the last hit and dening the tower ... the replys are like .... "omg u bastard"
The same if u last hit the tower your clanmates are destroyng for 2 minutes :)

[H3ndriX-pt]

the best is when 4 enemy heros are destroyng the tover and u can land the last hit and dening the tower ... the replys are like .... "omg u bastard"
The same if u last hit the tower your clanmates are destroyng for 2 minutes :)

i dont get it why ppl whine when u last hit a tower, its more safe than risking it to go for creeps..

[straider]

i dont get it why ppl whine when u last hit a tower, its more safe than risking it to go for creeps..
Tell it the publik ones -.- got 4 times baned for that:closed:

[H3ndriX-pt]

Tell it the publik ones -.- got 4 times baned for that:closed:

some guy from ss got pissed at that too and *****ed all game ^^

[Xfire]

yea, on pubs you hear things like : "stupid son of a *****, that was my tower - i ban you" :laugh: .

[-Kyuubi-]

deny=??? wht is that ????


ps: i dont play dota:p

[straider]

deny=??? wht is that ????




-.- read the whole thread then, but dening is generaly a micro play when u kill your own units to prevent the oponent get exp ang gold. :dry:

[Aljehin]

Lich is perfect hero for denying at a 1. wawe you can deny 2 creaps with dark ritual......

[Feenik]

i dont get it why ppl whine when u last hit a tower, its more safe than risking it to go for creeps..

If creeps got tower then the moneys will share to all players.

[straider]

Lich is perfect hero for denying at a 1. wawe you can deny 2 creaps with dark ritual......
waste of mana to deny with dark ritual ... first u wount get any mana from the ritual if u deny a low hp creep and second .. lich has an good atack animation so u can deny with him a lot :closed:

If creeps got tower then the moneys will share to all players.
why would i share a tower if i can get it by my own? -.- :P

[-Riki-]

Lich is perfect hero for denying at a 1. wawe you can deny 2 creaps with dark ritual......
I think Lich is too slow to deny, the are heroes like Vengefull or Traxes, which are Agi heroes, with high atk speed - powerfull at denying, And also lich has low dmg, they only thing like good with its the skills, but at normal deny is pretty dumb.
Also ther are meele agi hereos, like Jugger or Rikimaru, which can eazy make a denies as long your enemy isn't ranged.
Int hereos, are the weakest on denying.

@ straider: "why would i share a tower if i can get it by my own? "

That's realy hard to control tower killing, its much harder then creeps killing, cuz when your creeps atk the towers they got higher chance to finish, and also tower have alot hp, so u can't rly know when is the best time to atk.

Also if u atking without creeps its the eazly way to get tower money (as long your stronge enought to hold 1v1 with tower) But on friendly games its called BackDoor, what ppl don't rly like - but its still allowed!

[Xfire]

and with DR - it doesn't event count as a deny.

[imaginary]

1) With ritual u deny cause u take away one creep from ur creepwave
U wont use it on a dyin creep cause point is to get the max mana back,so u use it each time cooldwon is off(provided that u spam ur nuke as much as i do for example) on a full hp creep of urs
2) Trax - Bone - Silencer are the best i would say to last hit/deny.But Lich is good too,for me he is.Venge good too ye
3) Gettin the last hit on a tower is somethin i always try do,with practise n good timin its not so hard to do,no matter how fast tower loses hp -_-

[-Riki-]

1) With ritual u deny cause u take away one creep from ur creepwave
U wont use it on a dyin creep cause point is to get the max mana back,so u use it each time cooldwon is off(provided that u spam ur nuke as much as i do for example) on a full hp creep of urs
2) Trax - Bone - Silencer are the best i would say to last hit/deny.But Lich is good too,for me he is.Venge good too ye
3) Gettin the last hit on a tower is somethin i always try do,with practise n good timin its not so hard to do,no matter how fast tower loses hp -_-
Look for experianced player like you, i quess that's kids play, but it takes long time to know which time is the right to show, or skills... for example when i'm using Sniper, i have 90% chance to get the tower, cuz i practice alot and i know when to skills. But when u get big wave of creeps you realy poor..

[Xfire]

well, when i am Sven and i activate God's Strenght i am sure 100% that i last hit that tower. also heroes that get into frenzy are good for last hitting towers (viper, razor) then Oblivion, Sniper and ofc Void (hope you understood why void :D:D:D ).

[devicem]

Yes, Chrono, and suddenly some sentinel/scourge range unit bumps in from behind and he takes the tower with 0.001 dmg... happend a couple of times

[imaginary]

LoL chrono to take a tower ha? xD nice,be more lame pls(i've seen it done ye)

U chrono,take the tower,brake a big smile on ur face,then within 3 sec of time whole opponents team arrives,u die proudly,they push down the side kill the rest of ur team u lose the game so u get to be another nabpie in the pile..jaja what did i just say huh ^ ^

[devicem]

U chrono,take the tower,brake a big smile on ur face,then within 3 sec of time whole opponents team arrives

...in the exact time when you dopple walk, that's what you meant, I know... ;)

[imaginary]

Oh ye forgot to mention that after that whole dramatic incident,team gets frustrated n burst to tears,so host decides to take action,n has no other option but to type "[ds]devicem banned for niubin around" n that's the proper endin JAJA

EDIT: Ye Devi im the nabpie n ur the nubcake,so at least we're both EATABLE..rofl..damn spam:S

Btw talkin about spam,wait till marsara enters the server again n within 10 min at least 5-6 threads in here will hold a last post from him,xD ;)

[devicem]

Pff, don't change the subject, we all know how nubish you are ^^

[Xfire]

lol owned ^^ . 2-0 for devicem ( 1-0 from "What is Deny" thread. )

[JodyPiNk!]

Devicem i can own u with 1 finger :D

[imaginary]

Oh rlly?!
Make that 3-0 i give him free win =_=

I just had a couple of fun moments with Devi,he knows im kiddin with him,but do u have to comment on THAT too??! Who invited u? Ffs..@#@#@$%

I have replied to his posts with EDIT btw..

But JeJe Marsara <<<<<<< smartguy T.T

[devicem]

Alright, we all know we're joking around, but cut the spam ok?

[Ms123]

Devicem i can own u with 1 finger :D
ouch... just 1 jody? <.< like... puff and hes owned? :D

[H3ndriX-pt]

Devicem i can own ur ass with 1 finger :D

*closes his eyes*

[Xfire]

Oh rlly?!
Make that 3-0 i give him free win =_=

I just had a couple of fun moments with Devi,he knows im kiddin with him,but do u have to comment on THAT too??! Who invited u? Ffs..@#@#@$%

I have replied to his posts with EDIT btw..

But JeJe Marsara <<<<<<< smartguy T.T
please MR. Imaginary let me speak ok boss. can I speak? :laugh: , come on , you start to become pathetic...

[imaginary]

Gee i start to become pathetic,says who,u? Great..im so thrilled
Or should i be sad? :(:
Anyway,wanna talk to me? U know what pm is? Use it n cut the bull.

[Ms123]

lol dont be sad... its the denies thread! ~~

[Xfire]

i'm not here to argue, but i will if someone pisses me off. now stop this bs.

[imaginary]

Oh yes ur not here to argue ur here to spam,fool around,n post "n/c" every once in a while(most useless kind of post i've ever seen,n/c)
I piss u off??! Are u serious?? I didnt start messin with u,DAMN IT what do u have inside ur head instead of brains? U cant help but talk foolish to me,joke at me,in EVERY chance u get,from the very beginnin that i tried to talk reasonable with u,n very good mannered,u just dont get it..u cant talk seriously not one moment!! Well im not laughin!! So WTF??

**** U n ur useless comments FFS
No matter what others tell u no doesnt make any difference,u laugh u think everythin's funny n u keep up ur "lovely" ways,well at least DONT address to me anymore n ill be happy about it!

EDIT: Devi im sorry but 1) i told him there is pm if he wants to talk to me,i didnt wanna do this,but he just CANT help but post,n u saw what he posted next.."n/c" ROFL,n 2) now i dont want anythin from him addressed to me,i hope he respects that,end of the story.

[devicem]

Wanna what happend to last post? I DELETED it, and every god damn post of urs from now on containing "n/c", "ofc", "np", "ok", "fu", "get a life", and so on will be deleted also by me with a reason N/C

...and for faust sake, cut the spam or this thread is as good as closed.

[Xfire]

**** U
why don't you delete this smarty?
P.S : and if you delete - delete to the whole ppl who post it, cuz we are all equal in rights k? now i want imaginary to edit his post or you to do it.

[imaginary]

Ffs helpless case as i say,about Devi YES he is a smarty cause this isolated quote of urs is wrong,i didnt JUST post that,wtf i post a whole paragraph that makes a point to u(or should make..just u dont get it),so stop makin fool of urself tryin to prove what..? :closed:
U didnt even understand why he deleted ur post,yet U are the one who tries "act" like smart here
I wont edit anythin,n btw,u insulted me first so dont u go cry on Devi now..

EDIT: Stop talkin about it now? PM ME how many times do i have to say it??! I wont answer u but hell,drop this then..n i hope thread gets closed now:S

[Ms123]

-.- u 2 are still arguing... aw err jody u still didnt answer me ~~

[JodyPiNk!]

ouch... just 1 jody? <.< like... puff and hes owned? :D
Of course :p sometiems i do with 2 fingers but i'm lately getting out of shape with 1 soo :) Want me to teach u how to own everyone with 1 finger :p:p

[Xfire]

PM ME how many times do i have to say it??!
what should i have to say about you anymore? you know very good what you are so stfu. you are nothing. a wide desert full of nothing.

[JodyPiNk!]

bah u guys have to ruin the thread ... Go msn and fight or do something else .... stop flaming here coz this forum isnt made for these kinds of things. i hope u get that....

[Ms123]

Of course :p sometiems i do with 2 fingers but i'm lately getting out of shape with 1 soo :) Want me to teach u how to own everyone with 1 finger :p:p
Err marsara... i dont hear him!
And yeh teach me :D

[H3ndriX-pt]

sometiems i do with 2 fingers

... the things u find out browsing forum :smile2: :smile2:

[WarS0ul]

... the things u find out browsing forum :smile2: :smile2:

Perve ! :happy:

[Ms123]

Perve ! :happy:
as always...
jody defend urself <.< dont let this booba own u! :P
btw this is really off topic some argue flame and now we are.. err lol denies ftw! :wacko: :ohmy: :laugh:

[imaginary]

LoL bring on the peacemakers >>>>> the girlz ;)

Ahm denies must be lost like 2-3 pages behind,so..

Anyway,Marsara thnx for the poetic insults,im touched,u should be a writter >_<

[Xfire]

i was writing poems when i was little, but lost the touch ^^ .

[JodyPiNk!]

Hendrix Shushplz. Ty.