Team pick strats.

[straider]

I hope to find some good replys to this topick( and i hope i dont spam or something wrong coz i am making a thread 4 the 1 time)

So lets start.

I am a fan of the line control thats my picks 4 the sent and scourge are not just AoE heroues.

My pick 4 the sentinel:

Up: Panda+cristal maiden(panda headress and maiden basilus.. later bouth blink daggers ... after some bracers 4 maiden and null 4 panda) hero harass freeze+clash+nova

mid:silencer alone( going 4 mekan and obvilion)

Botom:tiny+ venge( great harass coz of vengs stun and the toss of tiny(later tiny has a great mass stun)(individual item build)

as i said line control is the key. dening and forcing the enemy 2 retreat and creep a lot. When the teams crash together panda blinks and clashes the ground 4 maiden 2 come. At this moment silencer silences the whole enemy team and tiny and venge take care of the fleeng enemys. Also mass stun of tiny si as good argument 4 the enemy 2 stay in the freezyng ulty of the cristal maiden.

Scourge pick:
Up : corbelus and leviathan

mid: solo lich (going 4 mekan)

bottom: pudge and akasha

the point in this one is also the line control ... the ranged one is dennig 4 the mele. Akasha slows 4 pudge the low hp enemy and he has now a good position 2 hook.
At team clash leviethan is stuning enemys and killing the creeps 4 lichs ulty 2 come. corbelus silences most of the enemy , pudge takes care of silencer and akasha ist the best AoE dmg dealer in the whole game ... coz of her wariability.

I know this isnt perfect bud thats why i want to discus it. Thx 4 replys

[-eXtasY-]

hmm nice, line play can be very dangerous for bouth teams, because your opponent cant do nothing with strong AoE heroes if they are not breeded enough, but u can have 2 problems 1. opponents gangs, 2. very weak mid (what lich or silencer can do against 2 nukers, just die?), anyway u thinked well and it can work in many cases. Now ill give u mine opinion:
SENTINEL:
Omninight, Silencer, Cristal, Rkimaru, Trent
this is why this can be very dangerous. First of all trent go alone because he has grait armour and invis so he can stay long on the line with perservance (make refresher and nulls )and get nececery lvl. and ofcourse if oponent push too much gang is the cure. omninight and riki are imba combination, Riki eat heroes with high dmg and his cloud, omni suports him with healings. Silencer and cristal mid (Your lich couldnt do just nothing). Later u can easy see how good combination this heroes would be on pushes.
SCOURGE:
Scorpion, Leviatan, Lion, Witch Doctor, Mortred
Now very simular to play with sentinel. Scorpion goes alone to gel lvl, make avatar.. (imba ulti like trent), Leviatan and mortred so sick they would eat your int/agi suport hero, just imagine leviatans first shadow strike and blinks. On the mid Lion and witch doctor owns anyone.
MAIN IDEA:
As u see i have 2 int, 2 str and 1 agi hero, now on gangs i have grait suporters, tanks, and 1 high dmg hero with blinks for chasing. Im insisting 4 lion and cristal to make hex, witch and silencer Meck and later hex too because later thats the only way to stop imba heroes. And the most important advises for u! If u wonna play with your picks just place observer wards everywhere to stop enemy gangs so u can controle your lines easly.Second advise is to every hero buys town portals for the fast support.
All this looks just fine but the most important is to all players play very well. ALL THE BEST FROM ME

[straider]

@ [sdm]DiabIo

good reply.
but there is a point in playng a solo mid hero becaze the heros i sugest the best for solo mid are lich and silencer becauze of their relative high initial dmg and good graphickal atack. ( wery important thing in denayng). The second thing is that the mid line is the closest 2 base and also the shortest(near tower) so the ranged solo player can hold the creep line within the neer of his tower where the nukers have no chance. Of course a nucker and a slower are a big problem but at low lvl its ok and with a good dening there will be a big gap between the artefacts and lvl between the solo and the cuple.

second point: going solo a mele hero can be wery dangeroes, becauze they just cant far against a well played line control( and i go 4 blink dagger with scorpion :) )

The wards are a neccerity becauze the other team can go 4 early ganks so the mid player buys them right out.

next : omni and riki ... can be a well playable kombo .. newer tried that one in a cw but can be but there is the same problem: 2 mele... no dening.

But thx 4 advices.I will try to think about your lines and see if they are playeable.

[Dark_waR]

No

[[LOA]Kyree]

mid:silencer alone( going 4 mekan and obvilion)

Why oblivion and not eul ?

[straider]

Kyree']Why oblivion and not eul ?


I am sorry, my mistake. Eul of course.( somebodey is reading my **** :) )

[straider]

No

No? What is this 4 a replay?

[straider]

OMG no rplys to this thread. No invent on line ups. Nobodey wants to share their dota knowlage. What have i 2 do 2 make somebodey write a coment or their cw lineups? omg i am being hurt, my heart is broken O_o

[imaginary]

Lol..most ppl who belong or belonged to a decent DotA clan know about tactics n combos but this doesnt mean they'll come share it here,u know,its a strategy thing not somethin every clan would want to share happilly with others,probably "rivals"..

[straider]

Heh i am no rival 2 anyone, i beat u all alone. So tell me your secrets tell me the truth, tell me ... omfg i dont give a dam any more. Ok i will take it like my pick is the best of the whole world and nobodey can make a better one.

[Satana]

well my former was playing senti: left lane;panda and vengeful ****, mid silencer alone, right lane; tiny and chen
scourge;mid lich alone, left:slardar sand king, right lane:darkterror+1(depending on what they have, if they had good casters, ex;maiden, enigma, treant, mass ulti ****, then we picked pugna for ward, imba ward, if they have sven or omniknight, then the mighty medusa, and if they have imba massive hp hero like centaur panda, that just can;t die, then we picked the sadistic necrolyte, so the 5-th hero was our wildcard, with items depending on the game, but the rest of them always were the same, items....denieing etc...i played silencer and wildcard)
any more questions?

[straider]

i like this line up but i would ask if the line where terror and sand king didnt had a bad time while early game coz good line control needs at least 1 range who can denny without beeng in danger. But i realy like the idea of a wild card. But i dont see much synergy in the scourge lines. And thx satana .. finaly some good responsible dota maniac :)

[imaginary]

Some good responsible DOTA MANIAC ahahahahahahah that was soooo funny DDDD good;) Sorry but i had to post this i laughed so much:P

[straider]

Some good responsible DOTA MANIAC ahahahahahahah that was soooo funny DDDD good;) Sorry but i had to post this i laughed so much:P
now i dont know if u laugh with me or about me :P

[Satana]

slardar and sand king, slardar is good denier, farmer with bash skill
darkterror who needs to be the most best player because everything depends on him stays with a range (pugna,gorgon, necrolyte), so its ok cause any of these 3 have a spammin spell and a stun/slow for escaping skill if it get's seriously hot in there
About imaginary: he is laughing about me i guess cause i have the nerve to un reveal our secrets, its not a secret anymore since we played 10 times this combo
maybe i am a dota maniac, anyways hf

[imaginary]

Ffs missunderstandin ppl,OMG

I am laughin only at the phrase,"finally some good responsible DOTA MANIAC" not to the one who said it not to the one who it is said to,ONLY at the phrase itself,i found it very funny:P
Why would i laugh at u guys ffs,just the phrase is funny XD

[Satana]

imaginary, im maybe a little older then the guy who wrote the topic so i did understand u, but he did'nt:))rofl, just damn it and post smth about my line up ffs let the "maniacs" go away and talk seriously, can u?

[imaginary]

No thnx i dont wanna post a combo i have so many n its top secret:PPP

[straider]

imaginary, im maybe a little older then the guy who wrote the topic so i did understand u, but he did'nt:))rofl, just damn it and post smth about my line up ffs let the "maniacs" go away and talk seriously, can u?
Omg :closed: so I am the little one at here? :wacko: and ... i understood what he was laughing at ..:blink:

[Satana]

@straider:gj then
@imaginary:wicked!!!

[straider]

I gues this thread is officialy dead .. :/ I will trie to sumarize ... the strats are a secret (bull**** i think) and I am a litle child whose married and hase a child ... but stil to jung to understand a joke ... ffs. nice tread was it :P

[Satana]

yes it was):))

[Aljehin]

lol men...you all post yours replays here and then says "the strats are a secret" you all are crazy...
Sentinel:
Up Purist and Rasta in midlle sniper with wards down tauren and zeus
Undead dudes:
Up sand king and leviatan in midlle lich and crobelus up flecher
And that heroes thath wins clan wars...
I laughing when somebady put ricky and purist in midle...what they can do against lich and crobelus...:)

[Aljehin]

I also have 1 more good strategy for sentinels...
Chen,furion,naga siren, rasta,purist....and just push,push,push..
With their pushes you can gain wictory in 20-30 minutes..
We have played this few times and it realy works...
Furion creaps+chen creaps+naga ilusions+rasta ultimate+purist ultimate..thath
in 1 push destroy 2-3 towers..;)

[straider]

I also have 1 more good strategy for sentinels...
Chen,furion,naga siren, rasta,purist....and just push,push,push..
With their pushes you can gain wictory in 20-30 minutes..
We have played this few times and it realy works...
Furion creaps+chen creaps+naga ilusions+rasta ultimate+purist ultimate..thath
in 1 push destroy 2-3 towers..;)
sry but this one cant work in a clan war nor in a team game. Just at publick games ... and even in those its wery i mean WERY riski. U have just to get some AOE dmg dealer as qeen of pain or others, and omnis(purists) ulty cant protect u against magickal dmg.

@ the post before ... i see no synergy .. try for the "undead dudes" geting 1 single hero mid and on the sides 1 mele combined with a ranged cauze of the dening, and better linecontrol .... and leting bone alone is foolnes (not realy but against a skilled team yeah)

[Aljehin]

sry but this one cant work in a clan war nor in a team game. Just at publick games ... and even in those its wery i mean WERY riski. U have just to get some AOE dmg dealer as qeen of pain or others, and omnis(purists) ulty cant protect u against magickal dmg.

Haha ...Ok you can to think whatewer you want but just 1. try this strategy
it realy work on clan wars...for example creaps and naga siren ilusions + rastha wards will
destroy tower in the midle in 10s than you run to up tower ..than you change to lower side....

[Aljehin]

@ the post before ... i see no synergy .. try for the "undead dudes" geting 1 single hero mid and on the sides 1 mele combined with a ranged cauze of the dening, and better linecontrol .... and leting bone alone is foolnes (not realy but against a skilled team yeah)

Ok i can post replay to see thath this is the best way...SK and leviatan with their spels can deny or cill enyone...In midle crobelus + lich are invincible
they can deny all sentinel heroes in midle ...wining this batle in midle squrge
will win the war .... and flecher just nead to be alone to farm, farm and farm,
and when real battle starts flecher will be a killing mashine..
I have formated disk so it will take some time until i found it again...stupid replay..

[Satana]

k i wanna a see a replay your clan vs a known clan on this server how u win with ur strategy, for those who dont know it yet
team strats is short for team strategy not start, ffs

[straider]

yeah i would like to see an rply as well, and i dont care about the oponets name ... if i see a n44b cw then i will know why u thint its a good strategy ... and well yes strat is strategy ffs. Who can tink about start ? :P
and @ lich and korbelus ,.., trie pugna, or silencer ... hard time for spell spamers
hmm ok silencer would have a hard time ... :/

[Aljehin]

I will try to found replays again but hardly, cuz i have formated disc..
Look at new strategy:

mid(solo):bone fletcher
top:QOP
top:lord of avernus
bottom:axe
bottom:lich

each lane must has 1or2 range hero/s.
Bone flecther farm MKB
QOP become a killer(eye of skadi or cyclone)
axe as a tank hero(dagger of escape 1st then aegis)
LOA become a support hero(vanguard or aegis)
lich as a killer or support hero(dagger of escape or mekansm)

There are a few steps for this combo:
1.lich gives frost armor while lors of avernus cast aphotic shield 2 axe.
2.axe blink 2 nearby enemy heros(at least 3 hero) then cast berserker's call.
note:don't learnt battle hunger!!!
3.QOP cast ulti then blink there while lich also cast ulti when axe cast berserker's call.
4.LOA heal the lowest hp hero.
5.bone fletcher wait for bs when enemy heros escape.

support heros buy warps for combo easily.
It's hard to master but can work..

[straider]

could work but wery hardly. this seams for me like a teorycraft, but i have nothing against, lets say that u have also an oponet who also picked a nice combo, u chosen the scourge side obviosly. Lest say sent are going for mid silencer, up panda maiden and down tini venge, or instead of tiny wenge lets say necrolyte and skeleton king ... i gues scourge would go home in 20 minutes

.... and i am maeby newb but wtf is an qop?

[Xfire]

i would choose Omni instead of Avernus.

[Fuzzy66]

Omni is sentinel avernus is scourge. Get my point?

[straider]

newer said its bad but its not balanced after my opinion, and well yes omni is sent, and i forgot that necro is scourg -.-

[Aljehin]

could work but wery hardly. this seams for me like a teorycraft, but i have nothing against, lets say that u have also an oponet who also picked a nice combo, u chosen the scourge side obviosly. Lest say sent are going for mid silencer, up panda maiden and down tini venge, or instead of tiny wenge lets say necrolyte and skeleton king ... i gues scourge would go home in 20 minutes

.... and i am maeby newb but wtf is an qop?

We tryed this 3 times and win only 2 times:(:
QoP is quin of pain-Akasha...:laugh:

Try this strat.....just buy 5 books of necromansion....with their mana burn + magic immunity + last will...you can push or defened evrywhere ... We have wined on 1 tour with this tactic...

[straider]

so ok , i know what i said about 1 range and 1 mele on 1 side , but in this chase I would swap axe with QoP :) , imagine, axe with schield so he can run towards dead without fear. And on the other hand lich and QoP in 1 lane is love, they two like each other. Slow, nowa, blink, hit, ... oh i lowe it ...

Whats wrong with me today ffs

[Dante999]

Bane mid;
Enigma,Pugna and Bear goes all 3 on the side that is most dangerous and try to outlevell and harass badly....they will be able to do this very easy against anny 2 enemyes they encounter
Akasha goes on the lane that its left untaken
At level 6 Bane and Akasha starts ganking the most dangerous enemys

I never played this strategy but i've seen it played by others(Malaysia SMM Dota Tournament )
I just like the ideea of 3 heroes staying on one lane...the deny and harass that they can do(especially if theese 3 heroes are Enigma Pugna and Bear)is amazing....they are able to cotroll that lane very easy....

I will put soon the replay from Malaysia SMM Dota Tournament that used this strategy

[straider]

would love to see that, and its interesting

[-rE-Rip]

1.if you use that strategy...it means ur players that go alone are godlike...
2.i dont see the point in sending 3 heroes on the same lane...they will grow up sooo slow...
3.u think the other team is just gonna watch you rule one lane with 3 heroes against 1 or 2 of their teammates? they will gank ur as cuz on the other lanes the others are solo...
Not such a good strategy but...when i'll see the replay maybe you will convince me.
At allpick me and my team always try to chose heroes with AoE ultimates (prefferabely strentgh). 3 str+2 intell will rule

[straider]

first of all this isnt a pub strategy ok? u cant gak them coz wards is neccerity,and if u think that they willgrow slow, hmm ok can be but the oposing 2 heros cant grow at all and if akasha will get high lvl then its a great strategy but if there is like panda, cristal on the same lane as akasha she will be owned and the whole team will be doomed

[-rE-Rip]

ok whatever...i give up.
just post the replay :D

[Ms123]

MarSara']i would choose Omni instead of Avernus.
why not sven? :D :ohmy: :tiphat:

[straider]

why not sven? :D :ohmy: :tiphat:
just try and u will se why not :clap:
(and i know that it was coz of marsaras love to that sven thing:shh:

[-rE-Rip]

whatch this team: treant, tauren, leviathan, lich, and vol'jin. Ulti combo that is unstopable.

[straider]

yeah nice one :) just kiding around :P, if u noticed its a team pic strat thread so just sent, or scourge. And about the ultymates, first of all dota is not just about ultymates :) u got 3 mele tanks, no dps no line control so u will be outlvld at the begining, an there are some ways to stop this combo, first of all silencer, second imba pugna ward :) next=BKB, and maeby some blinks as well, or just not to be close together because the ultymates have all theyr range ;)

[-rE-Rip]

oh right...teampick :P
outleveled at beggining and owning late game. was with a mate on same lane(levi/tauren). from lvl 8-9 up we started breaking bones...:)

[Dante999]

to see the replay with 3 heroes on side pls go to http://forums.dota-allstars.com/index.php?showtopic=91227

replay is at Post #13 by Underminer
U will need a map to see the replay...map is there on thread at Post #12 by Underminder

This is all i can give u...pls tell me your opinion
(the ideea with 3 heroes on side its not mine...i just want to now if its a good ideea...probablly i'll have to play it but wheen i propose it to my friends they call me noob and things like that...oh well....whatever....if u try it let me now)

[Dante999]

No one wathced that replay yet??cmon people...employes...someone...

[DeathRiot99]

3 on one side is just lame...