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Megalania
9th January 2006, 11:08 PM
I noticed that 2 bashers with attaxk speed help near permabash more than 3 bashers.So if u have 3 bashers what chance u have to bash-This is what i think: 15%+15%=25% chance to bash
15%+15%+15%=33%

Am i right?
And buying 2 hypers doesnt grant 110 ias (55% + 55%).It seems like the other hyper grants just about 25% ias.So 2 hyper are about 80% ias instead of 110%.Better buy butterflies-grant 25agi + 25 ias=50 ias+damage+armor.

Critical strikes-Buying 2 burizzas indeed increase chance to crit,cuz sometimes 2 crits fire at the same time.

Plz someone correct me if i am wrong,but i think it is lie i wrote.

devicem
9th January 2006, 11:20 PM
So what....? mb I agree but cr8ing a new thread is completly useless
Secondly stop offending ppl cause u won't be the 1st to get ban for doing that...

Sivy
9th January 2006, 11:36 PM
It's easy to count...

1st basher grants u 15%...
if u got 2 bashers, the game will check the chance for both of them separately.

So it's Bernoulli's scheme...

P=P(k=1)+P(k=2) = 2 * 15/100 * 85/100 + (15/100)^2 = 0.255+0.0225 = 0.2775 if i counted correctly ^^

And to hypers...

Basic attack speed is counted from your agility and is in frames or something like that ;O

And that's 100% AS.

If u buy power treads u get 30% extra attack speed.
So ur AS will be 130%.
If u now get a hyperstone... it's gonna be 185% AS.
If u get another one: 240% AS.

so it's 23% faster attack rate only.

but if u buy an item that increases your agility, like eaglehorn your basic attack speed will be affected.

ex:

your agility is 50... you got power treads and hyperstone (85% IAS) and u buy an eaglehorn.

be4 eaglehorn:
50 x 185% = 92.5
so you'll attack as if your agility was 92.5

50+25 = 75 agility.
75 x 185% = 138.75
so you'll attack as if your agility was 138.75

So... for attack speed purposes you gained 46.25 agility by buying +25 agi item :)

One thing comes out of all this: sometimes it's better to buy +agi than IAS :]

Elf
10th January 2006, 01:06 AM
This thread isnt bad, because here peoples can ask what stack and what no.
Sometimes people have problem with this like 2x buriza or how much evade you will have after 2 butterflies, ...
Not bad thread at all ;)

Megalania
10th January 2006, 02:07 AM
Originally posted by Sivy
It's easy to count...

1st basher grants u 15%...
if u got 2 bashers, the game will check the chance for both of them separately.

So it's Bernoulli's scheme...

P=P(k=1)+P(k=2) = 2 * 15/100 * 85/100 + (15/100)^2 = 0.255+0.0225 = 0.2775 if i counted correctly ^^

And to hypers...

Basic attack speed is counted from your agility and is in frames or something like that ;O

And that's 100% AS.

If u buy power treads u get 30% extra attack speed.
So ur AS will be 130%.
If u now get a hyperstone... it's gonna be 185% AS.
If u get another one: 240% AS.

so it's 23% faster attack rate only.

but if u buy an item that increases your agility, like eaglehorn your basic attack speed will be affected.

ex:

your agility is 50... you got power treads and hyperstone (85% IAS) and u buy an eaglehorn.

be4 eaglehorn:
50 x 185% = 92.5
so you'll attack as if your agility was 92.5

50+25 = 75 agility.
75 x 185% = 138.75
so you'll attack as if your agility was 138.75

So... for attack speed purposes you gained 46.25 agility by buying +25 agi item :)

One thing comes out of all this: sometimes it's better to buy +agi than IAS :]
I agree,that is what i meant!

Megalania
10th January 2006, 02:09 AM
Originally posted by Elf
This thread isnt bad, because here peoples can ask what stack and what no.
Sometimes people have problem with this like 2x buriza or how much evade you will have after 2 butterflies, ...
Not bad thread at all ;)

Yes,and what about the burris and crits?

Sivy
10th January 2006, 02:15 AM
same as with bashers :P each critical is counted separately. If both hit u see 2 critical numbers but only 1 is really applied. And it's always the lower one afaik :p

Megalania
10th January 2006, 02:22 AM
Originally posted by Sivy
same as with bashers :P each critical is counted separately. If both hit u see 2 critical numbers but only 1 is really applied. And it's always the lower one afaik :p

thx.but i dont think only 1 is applied.

Megalania
10th January 2006, 02:24 AM
Originally posted by Sivy
It's easy to count...

1st basher grants u 15%...
if u got 2 bashers, the game will check the chance for both of them separately.

So it's Bernoulli's scheme...

P=P(k=1)+P(k=2) = 2 * 15/100 * 85/100 + (15/100)^2 = 0.255+0.0225 = 0.2775 if i counted correctly ^^

And to hypers...

Basic attack speed is counted from your agility and is in frames or something like that ;O

And that's 100% AS.

If u buy power treads u get 30% extra attack speed.
So ur AS will be 130%.
If u now get a hyperstone... it's gonna be 185% AS.
If u get another one: 240% AS.

so it's 23% faster attack rate only.

but if u buy an item that increases your agility, like eaglehorn your basic attack speed will be affected.

ex:

your agility is 50... you got power treads and hyperstone (85% IAS) and u buy an eaglehorn.

be4 eaglehorn:
50 x 185% = 92.5
so you'll attack as if your agility was 92.5

50+25 = 75 agility.
75 x 185% = 138.75
so you'll attack as if your agility was 138.75

So... for attack speed purposes you gained 46.25 agility by buying +25 agi item :)

One thing comes out of all this: sometimes it's better to buy +agi than IAS :]

Btw if i take void 25% chance or troll 10% chance,if i buy 2 bashers what will my chance be?

Elf
10th January 2006, 02:27 AM
Megalania napisał(a)
thx.but i dont think only 1 is applied.
When there are 2 critics (Critic on Critic) enemy receive only 1 of them (like Sivy says) example: Phantom Assassin have Coup De Gras and if she makes buriza she can have that " double critics " but it always the LOW, ...

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Thread name Changed.

Sivy
10th January 2006, 02:31 AM
Originally posted by Megalania
Btw if i take void 25% chance or troll 10% chance,if i buy 2 bashers what will my chance be?

find the ****ing formula on google and count it yourself. I won't cause i don't like u :P

Elf
10th January 2006, 02:35 AM
Sivy napisał(a)
find the ****ing formula on google and count it yourself. I won't cause i don't like u :P
Well he will receive ban for his manners.