what is the worst hero

[][M][S][]

what u think guys what is the worst hero in dota

[jostavo]

lol i think this theard going closed :rolleyes:
but for me in this theard no hero worst
all hero balnced

[jostavo]

m s =max scream
ehehwhwhahahwhwhwhwhahawhawha
hihihihi man i hope u play dota cuz i tired alot 2 learn ur bor rotab jk and u come 2 learn him
hehehehehehehehe if ur :D

[ProfileScorp]

in my opinion there is a weekest hero... that would be Silencer... he has very bad skills, he's only good for the team in very rare cases...and he's good at start only (and that sux). his skill with extra damage depending on inteligence is much too week compared to other (impetus ofr example, or clinkz arrow wich cost 3 times less)

[[gang]_[Cro]]

Originally posted by ProfileScorp
in my opinion there is a weekest hero... that would be Silencer... he has very bad skills, he's only good for the team in very rare cases...and he's good at start only (and that sux). his skill with extra damage depending on inteligence is much too week compared to other (impetus ofr example, or clinkz arrow wich cost 3 times less)

i wont comment this.


THERE IS NO WORSE/BEST hero all heroes are good if u know how to play with them....


AND:

Intel vs Str=str win in most cases(noobs excluded)
intel are good on start but later they do more support rather than solo if ur team is good :D

Intel vs Agi=agi heroes get raped by intels start game but i would say agi are the strongest latter.....


Str vs Agi=read up :D

[Dizzydbd]

1st of all Silencer is a preatty good hero (i find it owsome :D) and i think the weakest is Nerubian Waver ... i wouldn't play with that hero never ever :P

[devicem]

Originally posted by Dizzydbd
1st of all Silencer is a preatty good hero (i find it owsome :D) and i think the weakest is Nerubian Waver ... i wouldn't play with that hero never ever :P

No comment.... just try nerubian with Sphere to avoid stuns disables or whatsoever and brdy to rape any hero providing u have enough amount of dmg... but there is a little difficulties at start, but if u know how to evade them than comes the fun part...

btw his ulti is really really good and it is very creative...

[ProfileScorp]

some1 pls post a replay with a silencer owning or something... without noobs in the game of course... i would apreciate it, thx...

[Vas]

I have replay of silencer but in 1.18 version game was 3v3.
silencer,tiny and nerubian assassin vs wolf,lich and and 1 agy hero i forgat which 1.i play silencer and at the end i was strongest than wolf 1v1.this game was with pro players but silencer is very strong if u know to play him.I know that wolf has power treads,2 heart and sange & yasha,and i has power treads,mkb,guinsso,buriza and ogre axe only for little more hp.
Extra damage depending on int isnt weak LOL.when i hex wolf when we fight 1v1,in that 3 sec he lose more than half xp.That replay is 1 of the best but is version 1.18 if u want i can put it here.

[Mark2206]

Originally posted by ProfileScorp
some1 pls post a replay with a silencer owning or something... without noobs in the game of course... i would apreciate it, thx...

Hmm i dont have any screenshot with a silencer owning, but he is great when u play alot of teamwork in cw or something. I remember a game vs ss i think (not 100% sure about that) but we figured out some tactics and combo's but every time when we had a 5v5 fight we lost cause of his last word spell and his ulti. Thats why i think he is not the worst hero, cause he can really **** up ur teamwork.

[Baniek]

although its better thread than the best hero in dota for me,
so i think if silencer is weak then Ezalot is sux

[Elf]

I think i could own you with your 'sux' -_-

[kijciwoko]

although its better thread than the best hero in dota for me,
so i think if silencer is weak then Ezalot is sux

Hero Attributes

Heroes possess three main statistics, known as attributes (Strength, Intelligence and Agility) with every hero having a Primary Attribute. The Primary Attribute can be determined based on icons shown on the status panel, as depicted here (Strength depicted by a 'fist' icon, Intelligence by 'mind', and Agility by 'foot'). Increasing the Primary Attribute of a hero will increase the hero's damage for each additional point. In addition, increasing the attributes of a hero will enhance corresponding statistics for that hero..
Strength - enhances hitpoints (19 HP per point) and hitpoint regeneration.
Agility - enhances attack speed and armor rating. 7 Agility points = 1 armor, 1 agility = 1% IAS (increased attack speed)
Intelligence - enhances mana points (13 MP per point) and mana regeneration.
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Hero Statistics

Heroes also possess a variety of base statistics that may be altered by inherent skills or purchased items:
Attack Damage - Attack damage indicates how much a hero's attack subtracts from the recipient's hit points (or HP). Increasing the Primary Attribute of the hero will increase its attack damage, where every point of increase in the Primary Attribute increases the attack damage by one point.
Attack Speed - An attack speed determines how fast the hero strikes in a given time frame. A hero with double the attack speed of another hero would, therefore, strike twice as often in a given window of time. Attack speed is also determined by a base speed for each hero and influenced by agility. It also increases on a curved scale-the faster one's attack speed, the less of a change any additional bonuses will make.
Hit Points - Hit points or HP represent how much damage a hero can absorb before he is killed. Hit points regenerate with time to a maximum number. The maximum number of hit points a hero has and the rate at which it regenerates is a function of the hero's strength attributes. Higher strength heroes have a higher maximum number of hit points and regenerate faster. Hit points are indicated by a current and maximum value.
Mana Points - A hero's mana is the amount of energy the hero has for utilizing abilities or casting spells. Most (but not all) abilities are powered by mana. Mana is also regenerated over time. The maximum amount of mana and the rate of mana regeneration is a function of the intelligence of the hero. Mana points are indicated by a current and maximum value.
Armor Rating - A hero's armor rating is how much physical damage a hero reduces each enemy attack by, where physical damage is damage caused by combat while excluding those resulting from spells. Though armor is increased linearly as a factor of agility and by items and skills, percentage reduction is increased logarithmically, as each point in armor will add less percentage in reduction. The limiting constant in armor is 100%, as the further increase of agility will never cause the armor rating to reach 100%. However, according to Blizzard formulae, each point of armor will still provide a constant 6% increase in Effective Hit Points (EHP). Armor is represented by both a linear decimal number and by a percentage in reduction.
Movement Speed - A hero's movement speed determines how quickly the hero travels over a given distance. Some heroes have the ability to teleport (move to another location on the map), to 'blink' (move instantaneously over a straight line distance of limited length) or to indirectly 'blink' due to side-effects of certain spells, but this is not influenced by the movement speed. The movement speed is a base value of roughly 300, which is different from hero to hero, but may be modified by abilities or items. There is, however, a specific cap of 522 to movement speed that cannot be exceeded, though most heroes will not encounter this cap.
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Summary of Attributes vs Hero Type and Statistics

A summary of the hero types based on Primary Attributes:
Strength - usually powerful melee attacker.
Pros: High Hit Points, fast HP regeneration rate, high damage, usually have stun/disable
Cons: melee, low armor, low attack speed, slow move speed, weak early game
Examples for Outland: Giant of Dragon Turtle, Spinewrath, Dominator
Examples for Classic: Commander of the Abyss, Dragon Knight, Mannoroth, Garrondel
Examples for Allstars: Rogue Knight, Skeleton King, Centaur Warchief, Slithereen Guard, Tidehunter, Doombringer
Agility - archers/assassins/rapid attackers. Can be either melee or ranged.
Pros: High Damage, fast attack speed, high Armor, passives such as Critical Strike/Evasion
Cons: Low HP, lacks disable ability, weak early game
Examples for Outland: Disintigrator, Aquasoul, Lividus
Examples for Classic: Mageslayer, Zuljin Andorhall, Troll Warlord
Examples for Allstars: Drow Ranger, Bone Fletcher, Juggernaut, Lightning Revenant, Phantom Assassin, Stealth Assassin
Intelligence - spellcasters/technology users.
Pros: Usually ranged, High total mana amount, fast mana regeneration rate, powerful spells, strong early game
Cons: Low HP, low armor, weak late game
Examples for Outland: Stormweaver, Stan, Voodoo Shaman
Examples for Classic: Drenia Darkhaven, Wavebreaker, Soulrender, Purity's Disciple
Examples for Allstars: Crystal Maiden, Necrolyte, Lich, Lord of Olympia, Slayer, Shadow Shaman

Pls stop comparing tank to pusher, killer to support, etc. Every hero has his own functions in team. For example:

1st: You cant say Phantom Assasin is better than Treant because of more kills.

2nd: You cant say that Treant is better than Phantom Assasin because of his very-helpful-in-teamwork ulti.

3rd: You cant say that one hero is better/worse than another one because every hero has pros and cons and thats why we love DotA.

[Vas]

ezalor cant defeat silencer but neither ezalor neither silencer sux.

[kijciwoko]

I think u didnt read carefully:

First of all, DotA is a teamgame. Playing 1v1 Ezalor vs Silencer is stupid (my opinion).

Secondly imagine this: ezalor cast mana leak on silencer - silencer cast "Glaives of Wisdom" once and guess how many mana points he has.

[[gang]_[Cro]]

Originally posted by kijciwoko
I think u didnt read carefully:

First of all, DotA is a teamgame. Playing 1v1 Ezalor vs Silencer is stupid (my opinion).

Secondly imagine this: ezalor cast mana leak on silencer - silencer cast "Glaives of Wisdom" once and guess how many mana points he has.

imagine this silencer has bkb :D

[sakal]

Threads like this one, allways end same... Everyone wait to someone post his worst hero and then "gosus" come and tell him something like "wtf u noob learn to play and u will see how good hero is he !!!11one!!"

So, the best advice for those threads is to avoid them and for moderators to close them...

[zaplobe]

first of all.. silencer is a really good hero and so is weaver..

if i was forced to say that there is a hero that is weaker than others i must say ezalor.... i think all would agree that with no items included he is the easiest hero to kill.

ofcourse, ezalor is very good vs low hp heros and he is such an easy farmer

[Vas]

I will say nothing more on that ****y talk.Only i hope to some1 close this thread

[jostavo]

silncer alone vs any hero killers suxx
but silncer with team work very imba very


btw pls closed this :P

[[DoTa]veez]

most completly and totally useless hero..SPIDER. totally useless..it can never become a real killer, and it is not able to play asistent aswell. it doesn;t ad something in particular to a team.

[ToJira]

gotta disagree with ya..NO such thing as useless hero..he`s pretty good pusher and creeper with little spiders, sure its hard vs nukers at beginning but later he can really shrine with good items..he owns fighters with his ulti...

[[DoTa]veez]

Originally posted by ProfileScorp
some1 pls post a replay with a silencer owning or something... without noobs in the game of course... i would apreciate it, thx...

that the whole point of variety between the heros, silencer does not need to own. he functions as prevention same sort as omniknight.

what about spider, useless may be big word, but i can;t think of a single hero who has worser capability's

[ToJira]

well i think spider has pretty cool skills..300dmg nuke or u can spawn little spiders with that...slow with miss well if he catch ya u cant run without any disables and his ulti is his best skill..lvl 1 +60dmg and huge lifesteal is alot against fighters..

[[DoTa]veez]

i know what his skills are:P, just don;t know what it add's to the game, hidding under web to attack one of the few hero's he is capable to attack and succesfully kill 1v1. the spiders might even be usefull to take the first tower down but it hardly go's further than that...

btw jos and vn i just placed a pic on:


http://eurobattle.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=266462#post266462

[viet]

Thx Veez;) i can feel your insomnia :o :o :o ,that's where u live or where u study? / i guess that's study ; coz at home you can't go out a whole night. what 's city name btw ?


About Spider : I know Veez's idea , he meant that Spider is the worst if we "MUST" do the comparaison. I have the same feeling when i see in my team,some1 has Spider + he isn't good / pro player,i don't c his help... But if a Pro player play him,it's sure that u can trust on him :D ; expectly a imba creeper... then he gets imba items + bkb ===> u all sux:D

[ProfileScorp]

spider is good hero... he can make a push alone destroying a tower before u evan get to teleport...
second... the web with true sight is very usefull when his oponents have ww... no wards allowed either :p... and third, his ulti rulz if he knows the right moment to attack...
he kills silencer instantly :D:D

[jostavo]

Originally posted by [DoTa]veez
i know what his skills are:P, just don;t know what it add's to the game, hidding under web to attack one of the few hero's he is capable to attack and succesfully kill 1v1. the spiders might even be usefull to take the first tower down but it hardly go's further than that...

btw jos and vn i just placed a pic on:


http://eurobattle.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=266462#post266462

wowow nice boy veez :D do u have gf ?;)
Btw ur fat :O :DD

[[DoTa]veez]

hehe actually i was at my parents house, went out with my "home crew":P..the city u see is not the city i live in (called scheveningen) . we live little more inwards, although it was pretty close too my own place (in amsterdam)..

lol jos if one person is not fat it's me:P but it's freezing outside...

and mb if spiders webs are increased and it treu site functions as wards and are not covered with fog it would be little better..

[devicem]

Hmm really strange... yesterday I met a guy playin with silencer(I don't have replay) but believe it or not he owned almost all of us, any 1v1 hero that went against him died...so in the end we worked trully hard as a team to defeat them...I mean when was the last time when u said silencer was priority nu1 to kill in battles?

[[DoTa]veez]

lol he is pretty much priority nr. 1 every game i play. eliminate assist hero like healer rasta silencer first is one of the basics...

[devicem]

Originally posted by [DoTa]veez
lol he is pretty much priority nr. 1 every game i play. eliminate assist hero like healer rasta silencer first is one of the basics...

yes true but not exactly what i meant...he was like big disabler and fighter-tank at the same time, i really can't describe it, btw he has low hp and all i'm saying is that u don't even notice when u kill him when for ex. scorpia uses ulti with blink on him...

[alfonzo]

i have to say silencer owns, ive topfragged with him several times in a games with good players. I dont know what the axe (need difusal blade + something) is called but it makes 3 images and with that Silencer gets really good. But of course some heroes are slightly better than other, its impossible to create all heroes exactly same good.

[Rotab3D]

acually i guess each one got his own worest hero that u never feel confortable with ....
in my case i hate the stupid ***** called Bane Elemental or something like that .... even when he walks he looks like a handicapped ... omg i hate that stupid :mad:

[demon-_-lady]

lol..bane i s cool..i hate rikimaru..he looks like he has an handicap at his foot, he is jumping all over ..:D

[gasca]

haah yeah but riki is the only raping hero in the game

...from behind
...blood

thats pure rape :D

[Krafter]

Sure everyone has his own heroes as he can't play so well for exemple i really hate some int heroes. That's why many players hate noobs who leave the -ar games because they got killed 2 times or just leave the game only when they see what hero they have and even after repick they get a new hero but they dont know to play with it they just leave and the game is not so funny

[devicem]

Originally posted by gasca
haah yeah but riki is the only raping hero in the game

...from behind
...blood

thats pure rape :D

Would u want to see riki raped with gem and than tell me if he owns? He is nothing but a pain in the ass at the beggining
but can surely own if u can't breach his invisibilty....

[Mark2206]

Lol riki sucks at beginning and owns in the end... His spells are a real good combination...

[Elf]

Guinsoo + Dagon + Refresher :D
Someone remember this build? :D:D

WARDDDDDDDDDDD :D

[devicem]

Originally posted by Elf
Guinsoo + Dagon + Refresher :D
Someone remember this build? :D:D


Nice build...Magina? :D:D

[Krafter]

nop boush and btw his ulti does not refreshes HoD !damn!
u could make a entire creep army if :D

[[gang]_[Cro]]

Originally posted by Elf
Guinsoo + Dagon + Refresher :D
Someone remember this build? :D:D

WARDDDDDDDDDDD :D


muahahahahah that riki was totaly for NOOBS!! and big ones xD

anyone still see ppl playing 5.84 versions?? :confused:

[[GR]Achilles]

rigwarl is my worst hero..i never take him..only in ar mode if he is selected randomly..

and i hate bone too,even though if you know how to play dota,he can be imba..he is a hero made for pussies and dorks.In my humble opinion,Dota maker should seriously consider removing him from the heroes in next version..that backstabber ***** hero,makes all the idiot noobs play well(well?only like pussies play hit&run like a girlie)

[Megalania]

Worst hero in dota is Thinker,he really sux,he has 950 dmg combo and 1 second to rearm which means 1900 dmg,which is about 1200 damage(armor,spell reduction...) to do that combo he needs alot of time and any strength ,agi or int hero will crush him while castin that idiotic combo-maybe good in early game,but.....sux!

[gasca]

Originally posted by devicem
Would u want to see riki raped with gem and than tell me if he owns? He is nothing but a pain in the ass at the beggining
but can surely own if u can't breach his invisibilty....


u obviosly havent seen a good riki
yeah i know coz most rikiz sit invisible and wait for a kill steal
but again
u havent seen a good riki
u buy gem?
u put a target on your ass

[devicem]

Originally posted by gasca
u obviosly havent seen a good riki
yeah i know coz most rikiz sit invisible and wait for a kill steal
but again
u havent seen a good riki
u buy gem?
u put a target on your ass

There's just no good riki in 5v5 when some1 has gem and they go together riki is just a bug squashed by a massive army....

[jostavo]

Originally posted by devicem
There's just no good riki in 5v5 when some1 has gem and they go together riki is just a bug squashed by a massive army....
lol really ?:o and is riki play alone in team is he dont have 4 heros :Ohelping him or just another team attck riki alone :O
i think man u must think befor u speak

[devicem]

Originally posted by jostavo-lonely
lol really ?:o and is riki play alone in team is he dont have 4 heros :Ohelping him or just another team attck riki alone :O
i think man u must think befor u speak

No I don't think ahem right... but I have played through it if u know what I mean. And now it is pointless to continue this argument...we play dota, u take riki u'll see.

...mb i agree about 1 thing only... his cloud spell is kinda imba but not that much lol

[metalbolizma]

Here is a replay;silencer owns...

[metalbolizma]

and the file ^^

[-Engelos-]

Silenser good at start, bad on center game, and at finish he good again.

[jostavo]

Originally posted by devicem
No I don't think ahem right... but I have played through it if u know what I mean. And now it is pointless to continue this argument...we play dota, u take riki u'll see.

...mb i agree about 1 thing only... his cloud spell is kinda imba but not that much lol
y why not :P

[-Engelos-]

Originally posted by metalbolizma
and the file ^^
You playd with noobs...

[CanIKillSomeone]

Here is tinker replay. it was 1 vs 2. those two were clan members it was not the first time i was playing with them. look carefully at tinker ownage

[metalbolizma]

Engelos thnx for comments.

[TheDarkWarlock]

and btw : for the one who said something else :

str> agil
agil> int
int> str

thats overall

sure there r exeptional heroes or players (good or bad)

[Boldinho]

1vs1 isn't DOTA. Go PG loosers

[TheStranger]

Originally posted by -Engelos-
Silenser good at start, bad on center game, and at finish he good again.


lol so he is good?

[-AmIGosuoRwHat-]

Originally posted by TheDarkWarlock
and btw : for the one who said something else :

str> agil
agil> int
int> str

thats overall

sure there r exeptional heroes or players (good or bad)
not true..
INT > all o\to the 30-45 min
latter AGI and STR > int
but STR >< AGI is just a metter of skil
and how much did u die from INT on start..
about hero.. my worst is the new guy Lord of ..... :( looks like a dead knight .. u know what a mean.. anyways he is just a survival hero veru hard to kill any1 with him..

[gasca]

-AmIGosuoRwHat-

very niceley put about who owns who



anyway about the guy tat sead the int>str

i wanna se any int hero own any str hero alte game




and about the guy tat sead that riki is **** if u buy gem



gimme your bnet name

my name is gasca


wisper to me and will play

[Elf]

Refreshing Thread.

[M@CK]

In my opinion the worst here is Naga siren. She can't do anything to other heroes.:cool:

[Gangsta_cro]

Originally posted by M@CK
In my opinion the worst here is Naga siren. She can't do anything to other heroes.:cool: ¾

we got a lil nub here.... rofLmaO....
naga is one of the strongest killers....
also fastest...

[Dizzydbd]

a lil ?? A HUGE N00B !!!
Naga = pwning master
If u manage to farm a bit u will be the most feared hero in the game. Trust me with this ;)

[LoRD]

LOL **** Huge... MEga xInfinite... My god naga Is one of the best heroes dota has to offer... Master Killer.. Master Escaper... Dam every thing!!

[LoRD]

Originally posted by -Engelos-
Silenser good at start, bad on center game, and at finish he good again.



Silencer Is pure ****... although LOL i pawn people heads with him... Still they remake him to bull ****... they should have left him how he was!

[LoRD]

Originally posted by [GR]Achilles
rigwarl is my worst hero..i never take him..only in ar mode if he is selected randomly..

and i hate bone too,even though if you know how to play dota,he can be imba..he is a hero made for pussies and dorks.In my humble opinion,Dota maker should seriously consider removing him from the heroes in next version..that backstabber ***** hero,makes all the idiot noobs play well(well?only like pussies play hit&run like a girlie)



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... *COUGH* *BULL*****.... Im sorry if u hate bonezz.... but whose fault is it that u get pawn by that Master Killer? U hate him because he kills u like ur nothing... LOL Bonezz is Nice.. But with me Now LOL i will make him LOOK mega nooby... He is EASY EASY to Own... LoL give me my facvourite Intelligence and bones is dead.. tahts Necro by the way.. the Best fawking Intelligence hero By farrrrrrrrr... LOL forget that Necro Will own Almost all heroes.

[harakiri]

hmmm worst hero?
tough choice really

some of those 5:
Naga Siren
Pugna
Morphling
Ezalor
Silencer

[Gangsta_cro]

Originally posted by harakiri
hmmm worst hero?
tough choice really

some of those 5:
Naga Siren
Morphling


are u ppl idiots or something!!!:.... i dont wanna comment this anymore... n/c ROFLMAO!!! omg dude dont ever visit this section again...................omfg..........LAUGHING ON THE FLOOR LAUGHING OUT LOUD........WTF!!!!??? ok im done xD.

[Sossy]

enigma
enigma
enigma
enigma
or any hero in the hands of a n000b

[ElitePlayer]

i think weaver is the weakest hero.. he has orb effect which is good only at the begining and very low life

[ElitePlayer]

enigma
enigma
enigma
enigma
or any hero in the hands of a n000b

i think enigma rulz in team games with his ulti (5 sec stun)

[TheStranger]

lol some people say that there is no best and worst hero, but come on, there are 70 heroes, there must be at least 1 that suck. :p

[Skailo2]

Well all of the heros have something special that each of them makes the game diferend and interesting, so if we play 5v5 than there isnt any week heros, its only that the teaplay need's to click together and if they make a good teamplay evan silincer can get strong and maby he will be the hero that ****d up your chance to make a kill ore a push the most. But there are some heros, for my opinion, some heros that ruin the game and make it very boring game, they are: Squee and Arrachnia dam i hate those heros they allways ruin the hunt-fun with mines and nets but a thing is that sometime when you play too much dota maby you need those heros to change the strategy in that game.
Thanx +---:----------------> ILO

Ta Ta ;)

[tsibou]

stop posting stupid threads like that.there are no worst and best heroes in this game.try playing some games in order to figure it out yourselves.

[Baniek]

so what thread isn't supid in your opnion? news and how to kill roshan with lev1.? Great forum with two threads(przenośnia taka). And u can't say that Silencer is like void etc. There are worst heros: for me Ezalor(but i didn't play silencer yet)

[TP_MoonStar]

I agree with tsibou .. there is no better hero or no worst hero on dota. of course the hero will sux if you play sux and ofcourse the hero will own if you play well. -.-

[Baniek]

so send me some replay with Ezalor who was owning void or etc. whole game. Once time i played him and i get 7:0 stats, but when Chaos Knight grown up i couldn't say anything, even with polymorph, and i end this game with 11:4 and Chathos(noob) had sm like 20:3 :/

[Sossy]

_[Cro]']i wont comment this.


THERE IS NO WORSE/BEST hero all heroes are good if u know how to play with them....


AND:

Intel vs Str=str win in most cases(noobs excluded)
intel are good on start but later they do more support rather than solo if ur team is good :D

Intel vs Agi=agi heroes get raped by intels start game but i would say agi are the strongest latter.....


Str vs Agi=read up :D
wrong triangle mate
its agility owns intelligence
intelligence owns stre
stre owns agility

[RockNation]

wrong triangle mate
its agility owns intelligence
intelligence owns stre
stre owns agility
lol. U really believe what u wrote? Visage vs broodmother. (visage ownez)

[devicem]

wrong triangle mate
its agility owns intelligence
intelligence owns stre
stre owns agility

It doesn't make sense to me at all. If this was true than I don't see a point of DotA still being played? pls reconsider what you have said or if you don't I'll be happy to show you that it is not true :]

[TheStranger]

yea it really matters on skill.

u get 5 great pushers and at starting game all push mid, u can definitely win game in like half an hour?

get lich,zeus,crystal maiden ( these 3 is like already enuff)

and if u wanna be like real cool, u can ask the other 2 to use

chen,keeper of the light

give u all mana and health.

this will own, trust me.

[Gabriuz]

Lolz guys i think all heroes are good BUT i think some new heroes sux, couse witch doctor isn't very good at 6.29b

[Gaz]

This thread is pointless. There is no simple triangle for DotA, take Raigor for example, STR as his primary attribute, but look at his spells, also N'Aix, a strength hero who has a higher Agil base level and raise per Exp rate than his strength. Primary attributes mean almost nothing.

There are no weak heroes in this game. They all have their purpose, you've just got to find it out for yourselves, but of course you'll all go somewhere and find a guide to help your noob butts figure out how to play the game.

[jxxx]

the point is ......... there is hero's support another hero's to win and can't finish the game alone ......... what ever they done ....... that we can call them weak hero's in solo or smt ......

keeper of the light ....... as example :)

[jokerash]

THE WORST HERO IN DotA IS B Y F A R NECRO`LIC. IT SUXXXXX BIIIIIIG TIME

[DaThuG]

dota sux , i dont get u guyz , why u play dota like maniacs when u have the original game , the real thing , not a childish scenario called "dota"

[Dizzydbd]

THE WORST HERO IN DotA IS B Y F A R NECRO`LIC. IT SUXXXXX BIIIIIIG TIME

this is like the n00bish thing i ever heard. Necro'lic is one of the most capable heroes. He can own in almost any situation.

[Fym]

wrong triangle mate
its agility owns intelligence
intelligence owns stre
stre owns agility

The triangle is

Intelligence over Agility
Agility over Strenght
Strenght over Intelligence

for me is that :closed:

[Dizzydbd]

Intelligence over All !!! (Silencer, Enchantress, Obsidian can own any type of Hero)

[d3viLkiN]

First of all, DotA is a teamgame. Playing 1v1 Ezalor vs Silencer is stupid (my opinion).

hmm.. that's right..

[-Jubey-]

well i think each class has a weak hero: int = ezalor he sux real hard , agility= nerubian weaver , he sux alot ; and str= rigrawl low hp, no dmg and crappy skills ( except for ulti)

[_TerrorBlade_]

none of heroes are stupid/weak/etc, my favorite is nerubian weaver and it ROX and good hands vs any hero(1v1/team).It`s ture that some heroes are better in team than in 1v1.

[zleetherius]

ezalor sux????? let me c. he farms like crazy, has a 400 dmg magic and nonstop full mana, and he can push 2/3 sides at once. u can buy skadi within 15 minutes. u will have normal hp, and not so bad dmg.

[hendrix]

The tree kinda sux

[jimmierock]

Worst hero necro lic patheic dmg, sure you drain other speed and dmg for a while, they can still stun and rape the sht out of u. ur ult is completly fukin useless, i never see any one kill with thoes weak ass reveants, slow and weak so easy to destory. useless any one can run away way before u can kill dem. Avatar of vengenace, weak, haunt does like no dmg, ult is completly random and crap, direct vengenace cost mana? wtf base on his low mana pool, that render him more usless.Witch doctor crap, ult require channelin and it can be destroyed easily........ and isnt even 2 hit ko kind of thing, cask another luck or random spell,healin aura drain your mana fast like hell, when you to the level that u have enough regen to cancel or drain or bein drain slowly, 24 hp/sec heal is useless. only good skill he have is Maledict, which isnt that all great, it doesnt target, it takes time to cast like Lina's stun atk. Lesrac, when i first few time play with him , i thought he was awesome and gettin all deh kills, but i was playin with noobs. as i play with pros, he becomes less and less usefull. 166hp/sec with a huge mana drain per sec, is not worth sht late game, 166hp sec is nothing against anythin mid or late game. Stun, takes time to cast, small AoE, Lighting aint instant take time to cast. Explosion is the only skill that make lesrac even possible to play with. BUT SHE IS WAY TOO FRAGILE, even with explosion u can get rape easily, stun, hit, any secondary nuke, ur dead.
If you have a different opinions, or dont agree with me dont flame, and please explain your reasons

[amystic]

OMFG ! You all sux ! Ill do a review of -Jubey-s post.

Ezalor dont sux ! I think zleetherius explained all things for ezalor good.

Rigrawl dont sux too ! Have you tried to by a Satanic ? I think satanic, hyperstone & basher will be the magic combination. Try and post again.

Nerubian weaver... I hate the hero but Ive seen games where he can beat many ****ty heroes ( like Venomancer, mortred, zeus... ). Ill make sure my friend write a long explanation how to play it.... And remember: hero cant sux, only the players sux !

[amystic]

When I was writing my post jimmierock post his. I think yall dont understand the things very well... Let me explain:

AGILITY HEROES are here to hunt ! They are all made for doing kills and nothing more !

INTELEGENCE HEROES are here to help. They should make the game easyer to the agility heroes.

STRENGTH HEROES are here to destroy towers with the big demage. They are also here to accept all the demage for the heroes and make a easy way to the agility hero !

Now... You cant be good at the end of the game ( lvl 25 ) with intelegence hero. Lets take zeus. What he can do ? Little demage, little hp, weak abilities ( at end ). I will agree that the direct of Vengance is ****ty to cost mana but that is... Vengance ownz with satanic, butterfly and buriza... Is hard to buy that all but here is the dispersion to keep you alive. I was playing aginst Lina ( wich had a scepter ) I was on 500hp when she cast the last ability. I wasnt dead thx to dispersion. Its hard to kill vengence with Venomancer too ! She is dispersing almost all demages. Dispersion work with Doom too. I think thats best ability yo save your ass after ww ( but you cant cast ww with doom for example ). peaCe

[jimmierock]

dispersion % of activating suks. why u think u can farm buriza, butterfly and santaic in a normal ar or ap game? vengance have sht farmin skills, by the the time u farmed thoes items, your oppenents must farm the same or even more. unless u facing noobs which dont even count.

[Uber_pwnT]

I hate terrorblade xD This is imba but i dont like play him. Seckond is Ezalgor, 3th Enigma.

[[GR]Achilles]

The tree kinda sux


ban him
ban him fast :mad:

[imaginary]

Lol ban xD

Yea i would say exactly the opposite,tree is almost necessary in a team;)

[[GR]Achilles]

ante re nooba esy poy les kai thn apopsh sou ahahaha :p

[Dizzydbd]

shouldn't someone close this thread ?? Since: THERE IS NO BAD HERO !! all heroes are imba, it just depends on what heroes are u fighting.

[jimmierock]

anyways this is purely opiion, and why close, lol is good discusion. Tree owns with sniper even is a bit cheap


Nature sniper near tree, you would never notice until ur health is like half bar, then assasinate dead. unless u always look at ur mini map.

Engima is pretty cheap his stun is fukin annoyin sht, and his conversion is great pushin skill, his black hole is wtf ownage with maiden ult.

[imaginary]

Huh? How will someone lose half hp in ur example?

[jimmierock]

well sniper have long range, and ok atk speed. and Usually people buff him with Buriza or high atk dmg weapons first. if u dont look at ur mini map for 5 sec, and ur agi or int heroes most likely u will lose half ur health. it all depends if u watch ur health and mini map alot, most people dont.

[sortrulezz]

DotA hasn't bad hero, every hero has different skills, for example I can't play with ursa..

[devicem]

DotA hasn't bad hero, every hero has different skills, for example I can't play with ursa..

Is lol enough?

[Cougar]

The worst hero in DotA is the player who makes the hero bad, cause there are no bad or useless heroes! :smile2:

[imaginary]

Is lol enough?

No its not heh

Ursa is not BAD if that's the issue,the opposite in fact..im sure Devicem agrees with me:P
But Ursa IS a hard hero to play with.N thats different:)

[MrTuti]

ursa is good for creeping at start but u need lotahr on him and if it's not short match or u don't get fed u make lothar lateish and one of the teams already has the edge

[Cougar]

Hmm +agility to urza.. Dunno m8, the sure thing is that the +strength urza is the deadliest.

[MrTuti]

indeed ursa with heart is good but i usualy go for lothar then basher and out of the 5 hits he is 90% bashed theh he;s dead :D
lothar is imba for ambush....invi range and overpower behind him and pof dead

[devicem]

What can be more imba than ursa with dagger ffs who needs lothar...? + its more expensive than dagger and it can be counter-acted with wards. ;)

[MrTuti]

true....but lothar gives some agi and dmg and some speed in ww to make up for the diffference of gold

[imaginary]

Dagger for all ftw!!

[MrTuti]

nah...dagger for escapng/heroes with small are stun or slow like ursa or centaur... or for tree but u can get invi and ulti form behind...u can also get dagger on lesharc for ulti but that's not that important

[sortrulezz]

Is lol enough?

you are very funny guy.. I didnt say that ursa was a bad hero.I said that I couldnt play ursa.so shut the f** up

[imaginary]

N im kiddin with dagger for all,geeeeeee

gogo Troll with Satanic,BoT,n two/three MKB:ohmy: :cool:

[LoRD]

Well iono bout u pros, BUT pig is a Stupid and ****ty hero. The dummest hero in dota is pig, Im real CW's and Pro Games, U will be owned.

[jimmierock]

wat pig? Bristal Back? i use to hate him too.. but since last time i played dm ar , i had him for late game. I can wtf own everyone with him, 30% for 120% atk speed, in 3 hits i had super speed then with 2 bashers i owned everyone. and his snot atk is fraekin annoyin spam, MAKE u walk sooooo sloww....... but he is only good at late game, early game and mid he suk, no nuke and initial dmgs. perfect for 1vs1 tho.

[PkKakashi]

I'd say Zeus is the wrost...
He's ONLY good at BEGINING...
At late game he sucks...
Every hero OWN him...

[jimmierock]

Zeus suk late game yah, but he can kill low hp chara pretty fast with refresher double ult and lighting, and his arc with static field is quite annoyin skill.

[devicem]

you are very funny guy.. I didnt say that ursa was a bad hero.I said that I couldnt play ursa.so shut the f** up

Watch u'r words, who said that ursa was bad...., it just that it takes time for players to learn how to play with ursa so I understand if you can't. Next time be more polite on this forum cause u'r stay won't be long...

[H3ndriX-pt]

pig and zeus both rox

[Cougar]

The worst hero is the chicken u buy from the shop! It has no skills and every time someone kills it the noob drops everything down (imba skill)... crap! :laugh:

[imaginary]

Not hero though:P

[LTJ]

there is no bad hero in dota.it depends on yuor skills.when i play with pugna im always last i dont like this hero,but i dont think its the worst one.there is more heroes i dont like.....
yeah chicken is not an imba but realy helps on line in first lvls & maybe later when its not killed or u forget where did u send it :laugh:

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[ancientcrew]

i have silencer owning i will send u my replays just give me ur e mail add ill send it to asap

[-Phoenix-]

For me all heroe are great except I dont want farcles void. With this hero i raly dont know to play and its so boring

[Grommash]

Avatar of vengence is by far, the worst/most useless hero ever created in dota's history.

[MrTuti]

well...u have a hero that has speed and going through obects...and an aura with chance to deflect any spell...it has a pasive aura that realy rapes u if u fo 1v1 and have vengence fucused =>u can't creep and the haunt is instant teleport with a crit chance u get alot from it....

low hp makes it hart at start but if u got a mele hero like the void or bristleback against you...u can gow quite nice

[sortrulezz]

Watch u'r words, who said that ursa was bad...., it just that it takes time for players to learn how to play with ursa so I understand if you can't. Next time be more polite on this forum cause u'r stay won't be long...

I am sorry but you dont know reading..I didnt say that ursa was a bad hero and i am not saying that ursa is a bad hero.I said that DotA has NOT a bad hero.Stop this quarrel.

[LoRD]

I'd say Zeus is the wrost...
He's ONLY good at BEGINING...
At late game he sucks...
Every hero OWN him...


xD LOL Zues is soo good that its not funny, the only hero ive seen killed 5 heroes one time when they were pushing and all heroes were above level 20, xD whole time died= GG.

[MrTuti]

still he didn't do all the dmg...and realy late game 60m+ if many have cloak/aegis... and if u have the bad luck to be agains naturaly spell resistan heroes like magina or viper...well...zeus isn't all that imba any more

[Razor-cro]

the worst hero i ever played with is Enigma, omg what a sh*t, i cant believe.
I always play with razor, hes the best

[MrTuti]

enigma is super... at first u can frag easy cuz of malefice...and hi ulti owns...suppeort especialy...u make guinso and cry/buriza on him and u imba more or less

[Razor-cro]

lol, i cant kill it with any hero

[MrTuti]

lol, i cant kill it with any hero

u can't?..u just said it sucks...=/

[jimmierock]

xD LOL Zues is soo good that its not funny, the only hero ive seen killed 5 heroes one time when they were pushing and all heroes were above level 20, xD whole time died= GG.

Man Zeus gets lucky with utl No sht. some times he aims for 1 kill, rest enemby low health, is just luck, any pro games zeus is useless late game peroid even with insane farming.

[LoRD]

Well if u say its just luck then, thats good for u, but it depends totally on the team ur playing and the team ur playing with.

[razzzor007]

all heros are balanced

[LoRD]

pshhh, i dont think so.

[MrTuti]

they are not all balanced...there is heroes u caa't counter with others....like what can a mage do vs magina...late game u cant and early on...well...if he goes on magic res and then mana burn u are fu***d...that's why dota is TEAM game...balance the other's waknesses and exploit the streanghts

[LoRD]

loooooooool dude, i dont think thats what he means by balanced.I think he means overpowered then, like that dragon when they just released him xD, now he is ok i think.

[MrTuti]

true...1k dmg ulti was cool...and the dmg form fire and the hp gain per level was too much...but still any hero u have can be overpowered by good team work...u need team for that tho

[LoRD]

lol... xD anyhero hero can be brought down by a good team as well.

[MrTuti]

that's what i said.. still there are some u can make mba scores with such as brood mother or blood seeker cuz of the fact that they get hp back sooo fast...30+ rape scores are totaly possible

[imaginary]

Against noobs or a bad teamwork yeah,possible

[LoRD]

xD Any hero can be made a killer, i was 30-1 with Bounty once, 29-0 with lina once.

[Uber_pwnT]

HAHAHa "all balanced"Spiritbraker vs zeus....... 1vs1 zeus dont have chance with charge ulti and greater bash -.- Zeus can't move with this combo. Don't say about balnce with DotA xD

[LoRD]

looooolol are u serious? Every hero has its weakness, have u ever heard of a hero that cant be taken down? DotA= TeamGame and not 1v1. Btw who idiot would choose zues in a 1v1?

[[GR]Leonidas]

Even zeus is buffed with his passive 3rd skill, he's not so useless late game anymore :p

[Desire]

BitE']Even zeus is buffed with his passive 3rd skill, he's not so useless late game anymore :p

this skill really suck its waste of stats and its not passive :dry:

[devicem]

this skill really suck its waste of stats and its not passive :dry:

Stop talking nonsense without first checking facts, ok? [GR]Bite is right, the 3rd skill is passive and it has AoE damage whenever Zeus casts spell he shocks units with percentage damage...

[Desire]

nvm they changed it in 1 of versions but it still sucks

[MrTuti]

the point of a good team is for the good start players to own at start and let the late game players in that team evolve so they can own late game... say u have zeus and lion...or lina and lion...and troll, junero and abadon...with lina and lion u rape the other team's late game heroes so they don't grow...save you own alte game ones and later lian and lion use only for support like stun or traps or stuff like that...while the tanks and late game heroes do the dmg and raping..

REMEMBER KIDS 1v1 is not dota...

[LoRD]

nvm they changed it in 1 of versions but it still sucks


LOl this sucks? Well iono but that rocks, now u dont have to worry about pressing that crap over and over, and its passive ;O. Seriously Zues behind a good team can kill a whole team with his spells.

[MrTuti]

well...if u have one aegis..or like i had once on rexar 3...lich 550 dmg ulti makes 100 dmg or less so so does zeus ulti probably

[imaginary]

Magic dmg reduce from multiple aegis doesnt stack,it does not add on one another in any way.

[MrTuti]

dude...probabily was all the armoor too bot i swar i took under 100 dmg form lich ulti

[LoRD]

Magic dmg reduce from multiple aegis doesnt stack,it does not add on one another in any way.


LOL it doesnt? I swore it does.

[imaginary]

- Magic resistance applies to magic damage only (pudge hook is not magic damage skill for example)
- Every hero has basic magic resistance equal to 25%, meaning if 100 damage is dealt by a spell you only take 75 damage
- magic resistance adds up in following manner:
[total MR] = 1 - (1-[natural MR])*(1-[item MR])*(1-[skill MR])
only one item with highest resistance percentage is taken into above formula - multiple aegis/cloak do not stack in any way
- based on above, antimage with 40% mr from skill wearing 20% Aegis will have:
mr = 1 - 0.75*0.60*0.80= 64% magic resistance

[MrTuti]

i may be retarded but from what i remember aegis magic res is 35??? but i may have read it wrong

[LoRD]

LOOL sthatis u like a professor or something, i didnt even know all of that lol.

[MrTuti]

i think he got it off the dota allstars form :D

[LoRD]

roflll.... he does alot of reading huh...

[MrTuti]

well...if u read alot u will lok like a firend of my dad's and he's not prity

[imaginary]

I got it from clan rage forum,n they probably got it from the dota-allstars forum

[LoRD]

loollllllll, plagerism.

[jimmierock]

zeus can be good depends, if zeus is smart check for status all the time, for spirit breaker to own he needs to land a charge first to get close. if zeus checks his status all the time and get manta or disble items he will own SB in a team game,, 1vs1 ther is no chance just way too much hp SB have,.

[MrTuti]

no intel hero cand own sb 1v1...maby lion or lina at start with ulti and stun but later...when sb grows imba...u can think of nercrolyte with book lvl big and agha for ulti but again....maby necrolick (bird) with all the little bats..but that means he'd have to grow....which is imposible

[RockNation]

There is no best and worst hero. There is a hero that can counter atack a hero but not all. The point is how u play with them and if the player is pro, adv or noob. After me this thread should be closed cuz it's pointless.

[LoRD]

No this thread doesnt need to be closed and its not pointless, its a disccusion on peoples opinion on who they think is the worst hero, and heroes weaknesses at the same time, no reason to close the thread unless mass spammin occur.

[devicem]

After me this thread should be closed cuz it's pointless.

U really need better sense of when threads should be closed or not....and just to remind u the world doesn't go around u ;)

[[GR]Leonidas]

I think it's too complicated, there's an anti-hero for every hero, there are counter-strategies for every strategy, items etc, you learn these things over time, but the most important of all is teamwork imo.
P.S.This thread has evolved to an interesting one, no need to be closed yet i think.:)

[RockNation]

and just to remind u the world doesn't go around u ;)
Yea I know it goes around the Sun :D. Sry for that post but I was little drunk last night.

[LoRD]

BitE']I think it's too complicated, there's an anti-hero for every hero, there are counter-strategies for every strategy, items etc, you learn these things over time, but the most important of all is teamwork imo.
P.S.This thread has evolved to an interesting one, no need to be closed yet i think.:)

Very well said Bite, And that there is the main point xD, I still dont like that pig.

[DotA[]veNom]

swap ....caaaabum !

[RockNation]

Very well said Bite, And that there is the main point xD, I still dont like that pig.
SpiritBraker or rigwald? :blink:

[imaginary]

I guess Rigwarl

[MrTuti]

well...if u have late game hero that is purly late game...like rigwarl..or void elemental or eaven troll..well...and u get vs a good ranged hero..it's quite hard to play...that means u either nead soport from a teamate or u need to swap lanes...there is no head on strategy for any hero that works in all the games...
imba dota player = adaptable dude

[RockNation]

There is a hero that can own almost any hero if u like to know: tiny. Mercurial, lion, spiritBraker mb will own him.

[MrTuti]

how many time must i say that DOTA IS NOT ABOUT 1v1...
if u have 5 players they will sit vs the hero they are most likely to own...and if the enemy changes lanes and u can't cope u change lanes too

[devicem]

how many time must i say that DOTA IS NOT ABOUT 1v1...

For some infinite times isn't enough...

[MrTuti]

yes but the point of the post was in the second part of it about switching lanes

[devicem]

yes but the point of the post was in the second part of it about switching lanes

Yes, ok I know but through u'r post I posted my point which is that ppl are almost like spamming and not doing any good if they post 1v1 games -> it won't make em pro

[MrTuti]

well...if u play 1v1 and get a late game hero vs let's say lion or lina or a god nuker mage...well u won't get to late game cuz u'll be owned at first big time if u play only mid or only 1 lane...that's if u play vs a pro...any hero in the hands of noobs is retarded...meh i saw a man do 0 24 with barathum and another du 3 18 with arachnia...and that was just sad =/

[devicem]

...any hero in the hands of noobs is retarded...

Good point.

but...

Arachnia isn't that good believe me, even in 1v1 let alone a whole team, but there we go again "any hero in the hands of noobs is retarded"

[MrTuti]

when i play arachnia i make threadsa and burize then a basher or radiance...but arachnia is good imo cuz of the skills she has...if u don't have a stuner u can't get away...ulti is so imba at lvl 3 most of all 60% and 90 dg+...webs rule if u don't let the enemy farm all that much and he cant afford wards and u can see invi heroes like riky in the webs...and there is the spawn spiderlings spell...which peopl euse just for fragsteal..and that's supid cuz hitting creeps and spawning 4 spiders at a times with that small cooldown makes imba fooder for towers and heroes without mass dmg spells or splash at start at least...towers die sooo fast

[imaginary]

DOTA is not about 1 v 1 yet u talk about it -_-
N those little spiders are good food:P

[MrTuti]

pvp is not 1v1...u have pvp most of game start...and the spider ?food gives like 5 gold each 5-9...so if u kill em all u get like 100 gold...not alot is it...

[RockNation]

Hmm. Have u even watched the replay? Let me answer: NO!. Why? Because u thought that I posted a 1vs1 game. Ppl speak after watching not before. It a 5vs5 game T_T. :dry:

[Edit]: I dont post 1vs1 games cuz its pointless. Mb 1vs2 or more but 1vs1 its just practice game.

[MrTuti]

my point is that when u say tiny ones viper...wow...tiny is str tank...with stun...and 300 dmg...with hyper stone..and viper has like a max of 2k hp...sure is an imba fair fight =/..noob games aren't meant to be posted...if u get like 5 frags at start withot being killed...the feed+living is enough for u to have no trouble lot the rest of the game...resulting in more kills and more ownage vs noobs

as for 1v2 etc...team game ring a bell...u+others on the same side=team....1!=team

[devicem]

U again... we weren't even speaking of u wtf...? We were talking about 1v1 games in general and the replay u posted is indeed nOOBs game so I was talking about the importance of watching a nOOB game... now is that clear?

when i play arachnia i make threadsa and burize then a basher or radiance...but arachnia is good imo cuz of the skills she has...if u don't have a stuner u can't get away...ulti is so imba at lvl 3 most of all 60% and 90 dg+

That build sux, but its only my oppinion....

How bout avatar first so u don't get raped by spells, after all we're speaking of full 5v5 games, so there will deffinatelly be at least 1 disabler or stuner, even if there isn't they will make disable..

Cause this is the worst hero thread I would even place her there... ( Arachnia ) :)

[MrTuti]

well...this build worked every game i played...and as for the 5v5 game i usualy use the element of surprise and such and don't go head on like an idiot so i get disabled...arachnia is not a tank remember :D...but your idea with avadar is worth exploiting :D

[LoRD]

any hero in the hands of noobs is retarded


And anyhero in the hands of pros without proper teamwork is useless.

[devicem]

...but your idea with avadar is worth exploiting :D

Ahaha don't make me laugh... worth exploiting .... ? It has already been tested, I'm not talking things which I make up now, I know how it is to be "disabled" every time.... ;)

And anyhero in the hands of pros without proper teamwork is useless.

True.

[MrTuti]

And anyhero in the hands of pros without proper teamwork is useless.

true in most cases but:

u have let's say bloodseeker...if u get 3-4 fast frags with seeker...and make lothar and avatar fast on him...then game over for all the noobies on the map...and if u a pro u don't go like RETARD MAN with your retard uper powers in the middle of the other 5 heroes...

it also depends on the oposing team heroes...if they don't have a tank or many stuners...and just heroes that are hard to play at start like troll... rigwarl... faceless void... visage.. and u have a decent all game hero...like say medusa lycan or barathrum...u own fast and they can't grow into good late game heroes

[Scarch]

lol i think this theard going closed :rolleyes:
but for me in this theard no hero worst
all hero balnced
Errare humanum est!
DotA is made by a human, no such thing as balance.
I can't really say which hero is worst, because it depends on counters, but in every case the worst hero i one controlled by and idiot.

[Ael]

_[Cro]]THERE IS NO WORSE/BEST hero all heroes are good if u know how to play with them....
I definately agree with you there, but there are certain heroes who are DEFINATELY worse than others. Certain Hero X will always loose to ceertain hero Y, supposing that both players are at about the same level. But again, Dota is a team game, where evey hero IS useful, so we shouldnt be thinking about 1v1 stuff.

[at3p]

...Saw a few posts about enigma here... and I can't stop laughing. Besides its two "stuns" which deal decent damage, it has the third skill ... which deals over 40% of a unit's life in 8 seconds. Do you think you can stun and hold someone in the field for 8 seconds. FFS can you spell DOUBLE KILL? :)



aaaaaanyway.... there is no "worst hero" and there is no "best hero". Think of a hero in terms of a unit with a certain damage - movespeed - attack speed - bonus damage from spells - disabling and enhancing skills or escape skills. You can buy all these! Every hero can become a quick killing machine with good disabling skills or escape skills, you just need to know how to play... how to farm and how to NOT DIE. Think of everything in the game as NUMBERS... dmg, hp, mp, ms, as, etc. It's all math :)

[H3ndriX-pt]

i think that with .33b out, i can safely say the worst hero is: all except spectre :D

[BalzaChuck]

Fullers, there is no worst hero?ofc u can own everyone, but own with lycan or rhasta etc is eaier than own with Zul-dzin for example.Zul-dzin ain't even sufficient good for team- shettty ulti,easy to kill-.....fuk no more time dzwonek

[xtm]

oh yeah ****ie ulti..chaos dmg u know whats that?

oh an his sooooooo hard to play stun and then ultimate oh so hard....oh and afther u make gynso hex and uly so hard...

[BalzaChuck]

oh yeye i agree with u. This ulti is ****. Good players are waiting to you first do ulti so it's easy to destroy totem. and it have less dmg. And facts. Did you ever seen good doctor in CWs? I have never.

[imaginary]

Uhm they wait to destroy the ward? If they do that they'll take significant dmg,whats the point to sit n try destroy it(yes its weak in hp but it DOES hurt u) when u can simply avoid it especially if u're melee,lol,early game it can kill u easy,just sit a step back n chill..it goes off fast
It has low dmg? Lol? Chaos dmg in rapid attackspeed is not somethin pleasant..it hurts

[devicem]

The Doc is useless in most of the 5v5 team game, belive me I tried it even had good items at beggining when I had the chance to kill, later I was just a piece of trash...

[Satana]

curse is megaimba, worth for a cw

[devicem]

150 AOE not good enough...

[Satana]

lol, he is scourge right?do u know what magnus ulti does?

[RockNation]

Omg. If he didnt then he woudnt be mod here tt. But the chances that in a -ar game to be doc and magnus in the same team are very little. Except -ap games.

[Edit]: Yea yea dont mind me devicem => but I thought that u were made mod here cuz u know alot about DotA :D. Sry if i missunderstood. Cya

[devicem]

lol, he is scourge right?do u know what magnus ulti does?

Speaking like that u know what silencer does?

@viper: that has nothing to do with me being mod here, understood? pls don't make comments like that, spare me pls...

[RockNation]

Not only silencer. There are many heroes that can do silence (traxex, krobelus) :D.

[devicem]

Not only silencer. There are many heroes that can do silence (traxex, krobelus)

Oh, come on you had to interfere in this one too? For how long are u gonna do that...?

Like you said "I don't wanna argue with u guys" ( even though u deleted it, I still remember ), but you might ask yourself why do we make comments like that...? I said earlier, give us a break while we're making a conversation with Satana guy and u'r post proved that u'r not following at all, infact that was the nubiest post ever seen. Why? Cause 1st trax is a caster of silence in contrary to silencer which has it as an aura and 2nd crobe isn't in sentinel... In order for magna to have a chance of getting all together as Satana said he must use blink and silencer neglects it with his aura where trax has no possible way of doing it ( casting it ) no matter how pro or good he is...

[EDIT]: I've just seen u'r edit and I'm willing to accept whatever sort of an appology that was as long as u stop interfere in everything around here, and btw just for the record I didn't know when I was made mod here nor I asked it for it, I was only asked if I had any problems with being mod on DotA Allstars and I said no, that's all... ofc the 1 that have access to the pvt forum here suggested it long time ago ( he knows what am talking about ) and here I am... btw x2 I don't post in order to show how "good" I am, just it didn't seem right to me...

[RockNation]

K man. I dont wanna be enemyes mb friends but I just said that to show him that there are other heroes that have silence. Anyway as u said silencer is better :D. Cya u wont see me here long time so bye.

[MrTuti]

bringing the topic back on track....

there are noob heroes and pro heroes...

noob heroes are heroes that are damn easy at start for pvp and usualy noobs choose em in ap games and pro heroes that are hard to play early game and that ned a decent level and some items to be imba with....all can play with a hero that has 300dmg nukes with 3-5 second cooldown at lvl 7...

[H3ndriX-pt]

The Doc is useless in most of the 5v5 team game, belive me I tried it even had good items at beggining when I had the chance to kill, later I was just a piece of trash...

i really like Doc, and hes not useless at all :D if u are saying he is useless on really late game, as he can be food to agy and str enemy heroes, just play safely and use him as mere support (meka+ perma-aura is rly nice for team eek)

[MrTuti]

doc is good early game with curse+dagon and turns into only support hero late-mid and late game with ulti and lothar or just ulti

[xtm]

i thought doing ulty and lothar afther it only works on mayden,so it works on all ulti channeling spels?

[devicem]

i really like Doc, and hes not useless at all :D if u are saying he is useless on really late game, as he can be food to agy and str enemy heroes, just play safely and use him as mere support (meka+ perma-aura is rly nice for team eek)

Ya, that's true, the only fact that I forgot to mention is that it was indeed late game and it was 4v5 ( 1 had d/c ) and u know what happens when u'r outnumbered. Anyway his usage has limits...

[Satana]

ulti has limits, but as u mentioned before with silencer i must say smth
first of all u dont get silenced from aura if u blink (just read a changelog, so i guess if the makers of dota says so then that's right), second
silencer is meant to f**k up any combo the scourge would pick (thats why he is so good), anyway, my team never played with doctor because in competitions i dunn know if he or rexxar or dragon is allowed
hf as always

p.s. devicem let ppl speak their mind freely, dont get so easily upset, im not trying to show off, or to prove that im better than x and y

[devicem]

Answer to p.s: He didn't follow... tell me 1 thing, how can u silence magna after he blinks with trax...? what's the % chances of doing that? And u get silenced when u blink unless of course they changed that after 6.33b but as I see in 6.34 they changed nothing regarding that ( u might wanna check agl vs nooh replay @ dotareplays if u wish to see a proving example of silencer's aura over magna )...and at last but not least those heroes are free to play on cw if the team wish to do so...

[EDIT]: just tested blink works when silencer has aura I guess they changed that :) sry

[cMaXHaTuaT]

For the most idiots there is no weak hero ...
I can own most heroes with silencer..
If I make i Guinzo and a BKB on him u r GG so stfu !!!
Who ever tells that silencer is a weak hero is a noob

[reidel]

zeus hes good at first but later on he so weak hes ultimate so weak

[reidel]

For the most idiots there is no weak hero ...
I can own most heroes with silencer..
If I make i Guinzo and a BKB on him u r GG so stfu !!!
Who ever tells that silencer is a weak hero is a noob
bkb! that the ugly build i ever saw u noob!!!!!!!!! i just put linken spere then his stupid ULTIMATE!! will be no use!

[H3ndriX-pt]

zeus hes good at first but later on he so weak hes ultimate so weak

rofl :) Rofl :p R-o-f-l :D

[Dr.Zoidbergscg]

Well 2 me zeus, riki and bone klinz are noob hero's

everybody can play with them

zeus ulti is super imba if u got refresh orb and sceptar it can deal 2x 500 dmg in 2 sec....

[Onaj_koji_te]

Well 2 me zeus, riki and bone klinz are noob hero's

everybody can play with them

zeus ulti is super imba if u got refresh orb and sceptar it can deal 2x 500 dmg in 2 sec....


Zeus is meere food later. He really isn't noob hero.
Btw, there's only 1 imba hero in DotA and that's Viper. Absolutely the strongest hero.

[Dr.Zoidbergscg]

Well... all int hero are food in late-game for Str and Agi heros

To me bad heros are that i dont know to play with them very well.But i dont tell that they sux or something.

i saw ppl that play very good with hero that i hate.And there i know that they dont sux :)

best hero is Tide Hunter (2 me )

[crizanto]

anti-mage ^^

[Hughstor]

Heroes like PA, or Troll could never dominate in high level games.
I didn't beleive when ''Say_Imba_Plz'' said this, but i found out that he plays in top 3 DotA teams in the world.
I can always create a pub game, take PA, Troll and have 15+kills, a very few or no deaths at all. But in high level games they can't even farm.

[devicem]

Depends, for ex. if you have "guardian angel" beside you to watch over you and there's always a solution -> Midas ;)

The rest is up to the team, meaning no team no kills for those kind of heroes i.e. you are a professional feeder :)

[Kalphite]

theres no weak hero.

and about the silencer, its the only int hero that owns in the "l8 game"....

the one that I really don't like to play is Obsidian Destroyer, but I just couldnt find a good build or strategy to him.... if someone knows how to play with him, it wont be weak

[cMaXHaTuaT]

OMG reidel how could u b so stupid ??? global silence is not target u noob...
when i fix my warcraft i will come in b.net and i will own ur ass with silencer

[cMaXHaTuaT]

Huhgstor, dude troll and silencer r the most powerfull heroes in dota allstars .... they just r very hard 2 play with and all noobs think they r weak .... maybe skeleton king is the most powerfull ........... wwwoooooooooowwwwwwwww 1 storm bolt and 1 click 2 attack ... ][_, [O] ][_, I THINK THAT TROLL AND SILENCER R THE MOST POWERFULL HEROES AND U CANT MAKE ME ANYWAY CHANGE MY MIND

[H3ndriX-pt]

and about the silencer, its the only int hero that owns in the "l8 game"....


any int hero can own late game.

[Daniel Roescu]

omg boys this topic is really stupid : how can you say that there can be a bad hero ( worst ) it isn't even possible, cause icefrog would improve it or remove it from the map and nobody would play it. although, i would never play ezalor , cause it is really weak. till another hero shows up I remain dedicated to my beloved Naix ( he is the invincible )

[H3ndriX-pt]

omg boys this topic is really stupid : how can you say that there can be a bad hero ( worst ) it isn't even possible, cause icefrog would improve it or remove it from the map and nobody would play it. although, i would never play ezalor , cause it is really weak. till another hero shows up I remain dedicated to my beloved Naix ( he is the invincible )

naix is easily countered ;o mostly useless against a decent team.. but yea he rock in pubbies :p

[KerbyWT]

Silencer is good actually if u know how to use him. and there is no weakest hero. pls close this thread

[Hughstor]

naix is easily countered ;o mostly useless against a decent team.. but yea he rock in pubbies :p

No ****?
We heaqr all those cliches about how N'aix is weak when he gets ganked, harassed..etc.
Well if both teams are decent, the one with N'aix will win.
Damn, I'll never take N'aix if I don't play with the players i know.
A good team will protect N'aix and even buff him with items (i don't do this, but there are people who do).
If N'aix participates in ganks, he'll be very usefull with his slow and he'll get gold/xp.

He's a damn good hero.

And let's remember that DotA isn't nearly balanced.
It's edited by IceFrog (real name Jeremy), and he's a human, possibly even some egoistic dork and to make mistakes is human.
Most of the games depend on matchups, people just don't understand it yet.
There are also mechanics of the Hero that make hero better/worse, those mechanics you can't actually see, but they mean alott.
Exp: Turn rate, animation backswing point, blend time, base damage, projectile speed..and other things that are visible mostly only in WE.

Worst Hero is Zeus. He doesn't contribute team in any way and he's a lategame food, no matter what you do and no matter what builds you use.

[Hughstor]

Silencer is good actually if u know how to use him. and there is no weakest hero. pls close this thread


TEH UBER pro to teach us all.
Tell me the names of 5 heroes that made firstblood on you the last 5 games you played.

Annoying kid.

[cMaXHaTuaT]

OMFG .... It doesnt matter the the thing that u drew first blood with samo hero .... The items and player r important

[Daniel Roescu]

people what is more important to you first blood or late game.....

[Hughstor]

OMFG .... It doesnt matter the the thing that u drew first blood with samo hero .... The items and player r important


Read my post again.
I'm asking which 5 heroes made first blood ON HIM, the last 5 games he played. My point is, that he prolly sux in DotA, but pretends to be a pro and teaches us ****.
Top players of the world claim that DotA isn't balanced so i don't need some noob to teach me.

[Hughstor]

people what is more important to you first blood or late game.....
Most important thing to me is not to die, or to die as least as possible.
I usually kick people on whom the firstblood has been made while they're level 1-4.
Only noob that's going boots first may die on 4th level.

[H3ndriX-pt]

No ****?

well i know its obvious, but as 90% of the posts here, i have the right to say obvious things :p

We heaqr all those cliches about how N'aix is weak when he gets ganked, harassed..etc.
Well if both teams are decent, the one with N'aix will win.
Damn, I'll never take N'aix if I don't play with the players i know.
A good team will protect N'aix and even buff him with items (i don't do this, but there are people who do).
If N'aix participates in ganks, he'll be very usefull with his slow and he'll get gold/xp.

u cant say that the team with naix will win, there are to many counters, it really depends on the game, lots of other aspects than just naix itself.. pumping sux, im glad u dont do it :p well his slow is useful but, as everything else, can be countered.. so i dont agree with u saying that the team with naix will win, if both teams have same skill lvl of game play ;o

He's a damn good hero.

i didnt said otherwise :p it just tickles me when some nubs come say omghesoimbaplsdontattackme when he really is just a good hero as many others.. i think he is balanced enough, dont know what rly more to say about naix

And let's remember that DotA isn't nearly balanced.
It's edited by IceFrog (real name Jeremy), and he's a human, possibly even some egoistic dork and to make mistakes is human.
Most of the games depend on matchups, people just don't understand it yet.

well yea nothing is perfect, but i think is balanced enough to satisfy me (ok that sounds bad)

There are also mechanics of the Hero that make hero better/worse, those mechanics you can't actually see, but they mean alott.
Exp: Turn rate, animation backswing point, blend time, base damage, projectile speed..and other things that are visible mostly only in WE.

its true, but tis also fun to have diferent animations because its hard to master them all.. for example i remember when i couldnt do last hit at all with mayden or some other long animation heroes, but once u get used to it is ok.. it would be boring if all had the same time of animation ;p

And btw i think one of the best changes on past 2-3-4 version or wdv was increasing voljin base dmg ^^ and i believe everyone noticed that hehe

Worst Hero is Zeus. He doesn't contribute team in any way and he's a lategame food, no matter what you do and no matter what builds you use.

nope.

people what is more important to you first blood or late game.....

well i think both are important, but the little mistakes u do in early game will create a huge gap late game :) imo

Only noob that's going boots first may die on 4th level.

there was a funny thread about this in allstars forum ^^

[Daniel Roescu]

the truth is that there isn't the worst hero around here in dota-allstars. i've noticed that because i always had some impressions about some heroes , i was saying that they suck and i would not play them ever ever , and if they picked to me at random i would repicked them. but that was about 2 or 3 years ago...now that i see every match that there is a dominator as always, a player that dominates the whole game or just the late game ( i am usually that player ) and some of these players are playing the heroes that i spoke of, those heroes i would have never played with... soi realize that every hero is the best if you know how to do it...
now, about naix... no god player no pro player can say : i play naix the best... cuz naix , skeleton king .. etc are heroes that have only one active skill and you just need to activate rage - at naix or to stun someone - SK. the most important at these heroes is their item build only that...
anyway, any player must be specialized in one int hero to play godlike with it , cuz when you play an int hero good, you play all heroes good... for me... i play with bane elemental for one and 1/2 years and i just loosed 1 time in my entire life with him... when i played against naix.. just because i underestimated him.... i could have beaten him - more hp more strenght more skills and playing very good with him... but.... rage has beaten me... i think you realized cuz without rage , only friend's grip and naix was dead ... and i had refresher too.... but ... that's what i wanna say, that is the topic we are talking about and all of you have spoken about something else :
NO HERO MUST BE UNDERESTIMATED : ALL HEROES ARE GOOD.... JUST LEARN TO PLAY WITH THEM...



please close thread.