hu vs ud HELP PLs

[-azman-]

what can hu do vs ud.
Ud makes fiend against air
Lich's nova + dk's coil + crypt lord kill all footmans and rifles
+ abo against knigts
What Can Humans?

[Blahy Peter]

i have the same problem playing against ud. crypt friends are strong, t3 abo + hero nuke > all :P + those ****ed up statues=destros. after watching really big noumber of reps hu v ud i must say that the only really effective strategy for hum is to go mass towers in the beginning + mass towered exps and than mass tanks. but i really dont like this strat. but it is very effective. some mid players won with it against pro ud. my advice is: try this strat, and watch some reps with ppl who play with it. maybe this will help ;]

[Terrorboy]

Make expo at tier 1 or 2 when he is pretty weak, and try dont let him expand. Then you can try to win with economy with rifles 2-2, scrolls of healing (use after nova) and potions of invulnebirity. Strong MK is important, so creep him to high lvl (if he has mass ghouls u can take Panda). Bolt + FF on Lich sometimes, so he will be forced to use coil on him instead of your heroes;) Hawks are also good. At tier3 u can add pall, tanks, gyros and gryphs.Dunno about fiends, coz big most of my opponents go in ghouls, aboms and destro. But if so, make defend footies and it works well, so you can push him. Quess in late game knight should be helpfull vs them.

Or take pall as 1st and abuse his acolites, quite funny, but I dont use it often in PG:) If he makes big lvl + kill some acoiltes you should win;) And expand ofc. Or make towers + siege, like Peter said;)

[True2theCode]

it is the hardest match up for all humans....when u get ur 6th footie go to haras his army ! if he goes ghouls try to kill as many ghouls as u can, u can kill about 5 ghouls by loosing only 3 foots.
u dont need foots but he will need his ghouls. when u hit tier 2 as fast as u can get mk 2 rifles and 1 priest or sorc and attack him
he might already have stats. focus ghouls one by one with hammer. dont focus his heroes b4 u killed most of his ghouls !!!!
when u kill all his ghouls go back coz he will have destro...but if u had achieved to kill his ghouls it will be easy. heal go again and u will fight rifles vs destro(ofcourse u will have more rifles) it will be much easier when he doesnt have ghouls
it is really hard...but its not impossible
if u wanna be *** u can always play the dumb *** mass towers tactic...but this tactic is ftw- fun where ?

[-azman-]

k but see this replay and tell me what is my error...

[True2theCode]

computers make errors, players make mistakes

[Terrorboy]

I think u should made some masonry towers to defend expo and main base. Also he win you with bigger army (he had more food + u have more food on workers). Generally u make expo, tech to tier3, but u dont make army;) U could add some buildings to make bigger army, not 1 barracks and 1 arcane... Btw this map is **** for humans, it's too small to expand efective. And more workers when u expand;)

[TheDarkWarlock]

is probably the best thing to do vs undead mass dests

i have new strategy - i get pal and make fe with mass towers in main and in fe
buy teleport and kill aco (its easy with holy light and shield)
keep harrashing undead while 4-5 footies creep something
if undead attack the mass towers and the pal +4-5 footies should stop them
in tier 3 when u got mass gold u do mass griff + gyro and gg :)

but it is pro/hard tactic so be carefull

[TUS_Osiris]

Originally posted by TheDarkWarlock
is probably the best thing to do vs undead mass dests

i have new strategy - i get pal and make fe with mass towers in main and in fe
buy teleport and kill aco (its easy with holy light and shield)
keep harrashing undead while 4-5 footies creep something
if undead attack the mass towers and the pal +4-5 footies should stop them
in tier 3 when u got mass gold u do mass griff + gyro and gg :)

but it is pro/hard tactic so be carefull

hm....it's "pro/hard tactic"... maybe, but vs WHO ? man... be serious... pala as 1st hero ? you are insaner then i thought... what if UD goes DR+sleep +ghouls ? can u pls tell me how many times u'r pala will die in such actions...

the UD vs HU match is all about micro and skill... both races have streinghts and weaknesess... for UD ghouls are one of the weaknesses ( but only for not skilled players and only at tier 1-2, at tier 3 with ups, ghouls can kick ass )... Mainly u can use AM+water or Blizz +aura, and MK +bolt +clap and focus on killing his fiends one by one... ( this is when the UD player is stupid enough to fight out of his base... )... if the UD guy goes air, then Gyros do good job ( realy good job )... and in the rest.. as i said, it's all about micro and skill...

[Terrorboy]

I saw this tactic on 4k^Tod replays (maybe he is insane also?) and it really works....also my friend use it with good result. But this is true, you need some skill and practise to play this tactic effective. Strong Palladin is important in this tactic, if u make expo and has lots of gold just pump him with mana/heal potions to make him super immortal hero....make 2 arcane vaults....and often using of holy light on 2-3 lvl (with mana potions ofc) is real pain in UD ass.....if he take DR as 2nd (I think DK will be 1st, yes?) you can use TP if he sleeped you while u use teleport staff.....or buy invisibility potion....in this tactic u have TONS of gold before tier3 and u can spend it on items for your super hero. Belivbe me, if u have high-lvl Palladin u can even beat 3 UD heroes alone....

[TheDarkWarlock]

i made it vs my friend that ihe was (before reset) lev 30 with 55%
not that good but not noob neither

sure i not expecting all humens do this tactic from now on but it is a nice change
remmember always to have teleport staff inv potion and few potion with this tactic and if nothing get wrong u won

btw
remmember that u need realy mass gyro not 5-7 but 15 and more (with 2 control groups) vs those dests couse u must remmeber that dests r imba
and dr is not a problem couse undead first hero is ALWAYS dk vs hum k?
i think i still have that replay but it was 1.18 so nm
GL

[Angel 0f Death]

I think u should go on tank strat u builid mass towers in begining and 3-4 expo clean creeps with hero and 5-6 footmen and then the tanks first u attack his expo if the tanks die they die u build more and more.U send them 6 by 6.This is the most efective strat gl and hf if that doesnt work then tell ur frend to play with me i play with orc:) ;) :p :cool:

[MaN-O-WaR]

LoL - i really dont know why u guys have especially now problems with UD:confused: In 1.18 destro had higher armor and i pwnd them very easy with rifles - now most UD players go aboms coz till he get 5 destro u will have 8 rifles and pack of priests. Rifles with upgrades 2:2 r simply owning destro w/o ups or eventually one level up - the key is timing - if u will be pushing him in good moments u will pwn him
GL & HF