Orc strategies vs all

[sakal]

Ok guys, I am going on qually for WCG in 15 days, I will play with orcs. I am practicing a lot watching mass replays and trying some new tactics, but I need more and more and more... so help ur friend to win at least one game there :D
So give me some tips vs each races, some crazy strats which I can find in 1 of 100 replays or something like that. Everything can help and I will try everything and see what is the best.

Simple question :
Best counter for Talons ?

I am pretty sure, I know how to counter each units, still micro is kinda the bigest problem... so if u have some small, but more then usefull tips about it, feel free to say it. Also if u have some advice about hot keys and selecting units suggestion is allways welcome.

So write as much as u want long posts, I will read them all. Thx in advance;)

[slave]

1)Orc-Undead
#countering mass destro
http://www.wcreplays.com/replays.php?get=6852
#countering ghoul/fast destro
http://www.wcreplays.com/replays.php?get=6851
#countering the infamous undead imba (Feat. fiends,ghouls,destro,gargs,wyrms etc.)
http://www.wcreplays.com/replays.php?get=6744
#countering fiend/destro
http://www.wcreplays.com/replays.php?get=6556
Sorry but im lazy-ass so ask from others to post you games of other races -_- gl on the WCG looking forward to see you on wcreplays.com:p

[AbuseYourDNK]

Originally posted by sakal
Best counter for Talons ?

That's simple just mass riders (grunts only in the begging)make first Blade, and if he gets FL or BM make a few spirit walkers (to destroy his summons). And make TC as 2nd hero, you can even develop stomp.

As for the human, thats the easiest. Mass grunt+spell casters (shamans+sprit walkers). Attack him as often as you can, and try walking right into his spell casters (use scroll of speed). Every thing else depends from your skills

Mirror, there's not much to tell about. Don't make spell casters, make rieders and kodso. First hero Blade 2nd Shadow Hunter. The only advice in this mirror is: be better.

[PrisonerOfLies]

Originally posted by AbuseYourDNK
Don't make spell casters

heheh orc casters own...guy on northrend with 150-130 beated me with casters in miror...

I sugest katas or Wind riders if he do them :)

[AbuseYourDNK]

Originally posted by PrisonerOfLies
heheh orc casters own...guy on northrend with 150-130 beated me with casters in miror...

I sugest katas or Wind riders if he do them :)
You're probably right, the last two orc mirrors i saw (I can't remember who played) they've only massed witch doctors, and later some shamans

[-Destroyer-]

i ja cu tamo ali necu da ucestvujem na kvalifikacije samo cu da bezveze igram sa najboljima :)
inace advice for u:ispadas u prvom kolu.bacene pare :)

[4N-Nooby]

Orc Vs Night Elf: Go 2X Barracks and make 8 grunts 4 demolishers FS+SH(Serpent Ward) and attack ELF !

Orc Vs Human:Go FS+TC(Chain+Shockwave) and go Riders+Demolishers+Kodo (Scroll of Speed !!!!)

2nd Strat: Go Mass Wyverns !!

Orc Vs UD:Go FS or BM then lik 2nd hero go TC(War Stomp)+Scroll of speed and Mass Mass Wyverns and few Bat Riders

Orc Vs Orc:Go standard , Grunts,Riders,Kodo,Demolisher FS+SH.........Better micro will win in Mirror Orc Vs Orc !!!!

[Sargeras]

Originally posted by 4N-Nooby
Orc Vs Night Elf: Go 2X Barracks and make 8 grunts 4 demolishers FS+SH(Serpent Ward) and attack ELF !

Orc Vs Human:Go FS+TC(Chain+Shockwave) and go Riders+Demolishers+Kodo (Scroll of Speed !!!!)

2nd Strat: Go Mass Wyverns !!

Orc Vs UD:Go FS or BM then lik 2nd hero go TC(War Stomp)+Scroll of speed and Mass Mass Wyverns and few Bat Riders

Orc Vs Orc:Go standard , Grunts,Riders,Kodo,Demolisher FS+SH.........Better micro will win in Mirror Orc Vs Orc !!!!


NONONO NOT LIKE THIS
GO MASS PEON VS ALL ! its much more better !

[RazorBlade]

Originally posted by 4N-Nooby
Orc Vs Night Elf: Go 2X Barracks and make 8 grunts 4 demolishers FS+SH(Serpent Ward) and attack ELF !

Orc Vs Human:Go FS+TC(Chain+Shockwave) and go Riders+Demolishers+Kodo (Scroll of Speed !!!!)

2nd Strat: Go Mass Wyverns !!

Orc Vs UD:Go FS or BM then lik 2nd hero go TC(War Stomp)+Scroll of speed and Mass Mass Wyverns and few Bat Riders

Orc Vs Orc:Go standard , Grunts,Riders,Kodo,Demolisher FS+SH.........Better micro will win in Mirror Orc Vs Orc !!!!


in orc vs human u need shamans or spirit walkers. . .for purge/dispel :)

[slave]

Originally posted by 4N-Nooby

Orc Vs Human:Go FS+TC(Chain+Shockwave) and go Riders+Demolishers+Kodo (Scroll of Speed !!!!)

i wonder how willl u survive 'till you hit tier 2 w/out grunts

[4N-Nooby]

Originally posted by slave
i wonder how willl u survive 'till you hit tier 2 w/out grunts

tt I Forget to say Grunts too :) !

[4N-Nooby]

Originally posted by RazorBlade
in orc vs human u need shamans or spirit walkers. . .for purge/dispel :)

I don`t need Shamans or Spirit Walkers coz of Scroll of speed ..... if every ur hero have 1 scroll of speed= 2 Scrolls of speed, u can beat Human without Shamans or Spirit Walkers coz Slow will not have effect !!!! tt

[sakal]

Originally posted by 4N-Nooby
I don`t need Shamans or Spirit Walkers coz of Scroll of speed ..... if every ur hero have 1 scroll of speed= 2 Scrolls of speed, u can beat Human without Shamans or Spirit Walkers coz Slow will not have effect !!!! tt

No way... it lasts too short... I just can't beat human with archimage, blood mage with blizzard and fire... + mass sorceres... and few mortars...

I am still having a lot of trouble countering that ****ing strategy...

[4N-Nooby]

Originally posted by sakal
No way... it lasts too short... I just can't beat human with archimage, blood mage with blizzard and fire... + mass sorceres... and few mortars...

I am still having a lot of trouble countering that ****ing strategy...

Believe me try to make 2x VoOdoO Lounge and u will have enough Scrolls of speed ! ( Maybe this sounds stupid , but plz try it .... i win few games coz of it ) !!!!

[F14]

just make mass peons and u win 4 sure :D

[Angel 0f Death]

They who said that u go mass peons they were wright u must go mass peons then make 16 heroes 78 srool of speed and u will win 4 sure and if u dont then u are noob but i believe ur not:)

[Sargeras]

Originally posted by 4N-Nooby
slow will not have effect !!!! tt [/B]

r u sure "slow" just reduce speed ?

[--hell_soul--]

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[Death-_-Master]

Originally posted by --hell_soul--
i m sure u now this


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i think u r wrong from many reasons: first i belive slow afects attack speed too (dunno for sure cause i dont play hu), second scroll of speed its too short.....and in the end....shamans are not only for dispeling slow....they are very effective against AM and his water elemetals: PURGE

[Terrorboy]

I_hate_cheaters napisał(a)
i think u r wrong from many reasons: first i belive slow afects attack speed too (dunno for sure cause i dont play hu), second scroll of speed its too short.....and in the end....shamans are not only for dispeling slow....they are very effective against AM and his water elemetals: PURGE Yep, slow reduce movement speed 60% and attack speed 25% - that's why this is so powerfull;) About shamans most effective is purge heroes, summons and casting LS. U know what is 'slow' mana cost? 50 - compare now to purge cost 75 and make conclusion......

[MiNaQvA]

I need help about mass ghouls and fast destros . I am Orc

[6665827865-BiRO]

Originally posted by MiNaQvA
I need help about mass ghouls and fast destros . I am Orc

well, if you know he is going for that then you caould go maybe 6-7grunts +fs +tc +bat riders... maybe if you even want then u could add a few raiders to u'r army... but if he is going for mass air then u go mass bats... or... if u are lucky/gosu then u could even try a tower rush ( a late rush, backed up with 1-2 pults )...

gosu solution: destroy his altar before his base is tier 2, and that solves the destro part :)

[MiNaQvA]

Originally posted by 6665827865-BiRO
well, if you know he is going for that then you caould go maybe 6-7grunts +fs +tc +bat riders... maybe if you even want then u could add a few raiders to u'r army... but if he is going for mass air then u go mass bats... or... if u are lucky/gosu then u could even try a tower rush ( a late rush, backed up with 1-2 pults )...

gosu solution: destroy his altar before his base is tier 2, and that solves the destro part :)

Hmm.. didnt lucky half/gosu but this is nice about tr :) , thx

[sakal]

Originally posted by slave
wow what a nice solution made by biro. you are falling in your own net mofo. if the elf goes mass air he probally wont go with mass hyppos , he will have some of them and more chimaeras and of course you wont be able to tr him and this idea is so stupid i d better go for mass troll/shaman thingy than going on tower rush,catapults. lol hello magic(chimaera)>heavy armor(tower+demolish). and if the newblet make towers with fortified armor , while chimaeras having corosive breath u are butter toast man go learn basics

I think, he was talking about strat against UD not against NE :)

[slave]

error srry =[

[6665827865-BiRO]

Originally posted by sakal
I think, he was talking about strat against UD not against NE :)

lol, nopes, i just responded to his question: "Originally posted by MiNaQvA
I need help about mass ghouls and fast destros . I am Orc"

^^^ those were my hints with orc ( he said he is orc ) vs UD... vs Elf it's almost the same but try to add more pults... 4-5... :D

[sakal]

Originally posted by 6665827865-BiRO
lol, nopes, i just responded to his question: "Originally posted by MiNaQvA
I need help about mass ghouls and fast destros . I am Orc"

^^^ those were my hints with orc ( he said he is orc ) vs UD... vs Elf it's almost the same but try to add more pults... 4-5... :D

Hmmm, u didn't get point, cuz I quoted Slave, who qutoed u, but he deleted his post... check my quote to see what am I talking about...

[6665827865-BiRO]

Originally posted by sakal
Hmmm, u didn't get point, cuz I quoted Slave, who qutoed u, but he deleted his post... check my quote to see what am I talking about...

o.O... yeah.. lol, ,thx bro, u'r right, i didn't read u'r quito, i thought you quoted me... :D

PS: ( for that retard who called me "mofo" ) Man, u can't even imagine how stupid u are... i'll own you in any game and anywhen with any race... if you have nothing nice/good to say then u'd better just shut the hell up... // no need to respond to my reply cause u're ignored... retardo...

[6665827865-BiRO]

Originally posted by slave
error srry =[

forgiven, but next time think before u post...

[a_player]

Orc vs Orc : FS , fast tech + FL grunts + kodo

Orc vs Night Elf : BM + TC raiders + grunts + catas

Orc vs Undead : FS + SH + 2-3 grunts + raiders + Winds

Orc vs Human : FS + TC + Grunts + Raiders + Spirit Walkers




But all depends in the map , and the situation that you are in. This are just few of my tacticks.I have plenty more ..

[slave]

1x1 whisper me when u are online acc. topofthemorning all replays go here mr. "pro who moved from north to xpam"u will eat ur words

[MiNaQvA]

Originally posted by a_player
Orc vs Orc : FS , fast tech + FL grunts + kodo

Orc vs Night Elf : BM + TC raiders + grunts + catas

Orc vs Undead : FS + SH + 2-3 grunts + raiders + Winds

Orc vs Human : FS + TC + Grunts + Raiders + Spirit Walkers




But all depends in the map , and the situation that you are in. This are just few of my tacticks.I have plenty more ..

U can sometimes add few sw vs elf is he go to mass talons -.- , and vs human sw :/ , and when vs ud i make alaways fast expo cuz mass wywn pwn ud :D

[BigBadSpirit]

Hey Man,

I am not that expert with Orcs as I always play random but I think this is mostly what i do as it makes me win:)

Orcs VS Undead: Shadow Hunter first hero with wards I rush with 2 grunts and make mass wards all around the place at the same time upgrade air units will be useless so I would sugest Taurens with area damage and catpults with fire damage (in case you find the UD is going for necros and Melee units as abominations or fiends only) Statis trap is the goal to win put in places of combat where it can't be seen.

Orcs VS Human: Rush Rush Rush as Humans are all about spell casters don't give him the chance to upgrade just hit and run I would sugest BM and windwalk (very annoyin) at the same time spell breakers will be great and also I would say catpults they really hurt.

Orcs Vs Elf: Rush as they are so weak at begining as archers are of really low armor and Hp don't concentrate on hero just kill units and get XP for your hero I would sugest it would be BM or FS with chain lightning.

Orcs Vs Orcs: Try to upgrade your damage and armor for any of your units its like when there are 2 people fighting having same height and strength so the one who will win is the one wearing more armor or of higher damage its only that Hero I would sugest the Shadow Hunter again and WARDS!!!

I hope that helps if you need anything just wisper me my accounts are BigBadSpirit or BigBadStar

GOOD LUCK MAN GO GET THEM:)

[MLoOkO-kdc]

make at the begining another great hall and do mass peons with relly point in his base thats PRO !!! (some idiots realy tried this on me)