HUM vs NE

[MaN-O-WaR]

Ok guys help me what to do when NE is massing archers from 2 AoW and gets DH, then tech to t2 and he is taking KotG + making fearie dragons with talons and pack of driads...
Fearie dragons = no magic so i can go only breakers + rifles and w/o healing its ****ing hard to keep them alive coz driads/kotg are ruining my micro...
Btw dont tell me about timing etc. coz it doesnt matter - i just only wanna know what units produce and IMHO mortars should help, but i usually dont build workshop coz of lack of money for that -__-;
Ahhh and one more question: when NE is massing which hero is better - MK or Naga or maybe Blood Mage?

[Who_Am_I]

Originally posted by MaN-O-WaR
Ok guys help me what to do when NE is massing archers from 2 AoW and gets DH, then tech to t2 and he is taking KotG + making fearie dragons with talons and pack of driads...
Fearie dragons = no magic so i can go only breakers + rifles and w/o healing its ****ing hard to keep them alive coz driads/kotg are ruining my micro...
Btw dont tell me about timing etc. coz it doesnt matter - i just only wanna know what units produce and IMHO mortars should help, but i usually dont build workshop coz of lack of money for that -__-;
Ahhh and one more question: when NE is massing which hero is better - MK or Naga or maybe Blood Mage?

Never saw that strat so i dunno :) I just know one thing. My friend and i were playing for fun he played elf and i played human. He massed expansions on whole map with mass archers 3-3 upgrade + potm aura :)) I had mass breakers+priests+sorceres+ lvl 5 AM + bloodmage for dual aoe and still couldn't do anything but i guess this isn't the strat that gives you trouble :=)

[Terrorboy]

Never played vs this strat, but I think not many rifles + SB, (maybe ewentually few rifles +WE vs dragons), but defended foots (vs archers and driads) and some SB (vs talons). When u kill land army, fearie dragons are not problem. What is good they have the same upgrades, so u dont need many moneys to create this army....and maybe buy scroll of protect and 2 healing if u cant use wizards;p Mortars will be also nice, becoz all units u wrote are very vulnerable to AOE. I ussualy make 1 barracks, 1 arcane and 1 workshop if elf is massing tier 1;) And never had problems with money, coz foots and mortars are quite cheap units....just 2-3 mortars is enough.

About second hero I use only MK, sometimes Naga (but only sometimes when I push him succecfully and can finish fast game at tier 2). BTW thunder clap ownz archers, becoz it works even if they hide in shadow, so MK is really good choice here.

Dunno if BM is good choice, becoz u need some might to fear DH, 2 intelligence heroes vs DH = gg I think :)

[MaN-O-WaR]

Problem was that i had AM level 5 and MK 4 or 5 and that retard had both heroes @ level 3 and was owning me FFS and even didnt had good micro - just mass!!! And going footmans is NOT good choice coz he has 2 x AoW and can easily switch to produce mass hunts so i will be more ****ed up -__-;

[True2theCode]

he is massin archers ? thats pretty funny never saw it before....
1 footman>1 archer if he makes mass archers u go mass foots if he switches to hunts...well u can always switch to rifles...terrorboy is right mk is very good choice....
u can make normal strat aswell takin am 6 footies upgrade....
if he attacks ur base militia is even beter than foots and u can creep without any problems...mb u should post the replay to see what is ur real problem..

[AthenianThrall]

I also have never faced this strategy but I know that: If human's enemy is NE then 1st hero must be MK, otherwise AM. I also know that foots+mortars is very strong combination.

[Who_Am_I]

Originally posted by AthenianThrall
I also have never faced this strategy but I know that: If human's enemy is NE then 1st hero must be MK, otherwise AM. I also know that foots+mortars is very strong combination.

Any average speed strenght hero vs NE is pretty funny. Mana burn ~_~ instant GG for paladin,MK,panda,TC, pitlord. They would all be useless after 2 mana burns and you would end up stuck with your level 1 hero that can't do **** till you hit tier2. MK is only good vs NE if you go for fast expand so you can surround him easily with militia and footies + blot if he comes to harass. If he doesn't he is good anyway since you have exp and clarity/mana potions shouldn't be a problem like they could with singe mine.

[world_titan]

take mk as a first hero and use storm bult and thuder clap.

then mass foot man with [DEFENSE] REALLY OWNS archers

and take 4-5 mortars with u in case of huntress.



that way gg to night elf.:D

[Who_Am_I]

Originally posted by world_titan
take mk as a first hero and use storm bult and thuder clap.

then mass foot man with [DEFENSE] REALLY OWNS archers

and take 4-5 mortars with u in case of huntress.



that way gg to night elf.:D

TIP OF THE DAY:

Night elf can tech to tier2.

[True2theCode]

the only thing humans can be proud of is their casters...u forgot them ? as many orcs say - human casters are imba...

[MaN-O-WaR]

True2theCode napisał(a)
the only thing humans can be proud of is their casters...u forgot them ? as many orcs say - human casters are imba... ye ye ye GO GO GO casters vs fearie dragons and if u win u r really gosu for me ^__~
I was asking u guys to find solution for certain strategy and i havent asked u to spam the thread or general strategy vs NE - seems some of u forgot about that :rolleyes:
Btw i have 64% of wins @ north against NE so i dont need help for general strat against NE ^__~

[sakal]

I was thinking a little about it and only strat which could be useful against him is noobish tactic, but it should work :)

Just mass and mass and mass rifles, upgrade range of rifles cuz then ur rifles will have 600 range and dryads 500... Don't even try to micro some units, with this u are stronger then him, u can buy scroll of healing... it would help and don't let ur heros die... if u want u can buy poiton of invulnerability...

[eXodus]

Well, it's not simple but, ... Take Archm. and Blood mage, S. Breakers and Sorceres ... Archers are slow units and very weak ( 245 hp and 0 armor ), so, with Slow Magic on them, you can use Flame strike and Blizzard ... You don't have to worry about S. Breakers, 'cause they are im... Few Riflem. for F. Dragons. And, few Dryads won't be a problem too.

I hope I helped you a bit, my friend ... ( [; )

[True2theCode]

anyway a man who plays mass archers is noob so u dont have to worry much about it...it happened once wont happen again

[4N-Nooby]

All of Us know that Human is strongest race when it`s upgraded ..... so don`t fight Direct Vs NE / Make few towers in ur base and every time when u see that his army is close to u run away(or TP) in ur base till u don`t become stronger than him !!!!
Maybe it can works !!!! gl

[True2theCode]

i thought i heard many things but what 4n-nooby said is just....AHAHAHAHAH
human cant last in long games !!!
elf in long game - mass bears driads and fairy dragons. can u beat that ?
ud in long game - mass destro and abos. that too much imba to talk about it..
orc in long game - mb by luck u can beat mass taurs, trolls bersek, docs on master and shamans on master
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[Terrorboy]

But:

- humans build the fastest
- has best towers and buildings (masonry!)
- can teleport with AM for free (+350 gold)
- has imba tanks to siege attack and mass gyros owns air;)

Propably problem is not centainly in army, but in heroes. Can u beat DH+Werden lvl 6?? Or DK/ lich? Damn hard.....If u have palla its easier, but it's damn hard keep AM alive.....really 3 high lvl heroes AM/MK/Pall hard to beat;)

I agree it's hard beat NE in long game coz mass AOL units (but its possible), but orc and UD, why not? (to counter aboms/destro make rifles, priests, air or/and tanks and it works for me). About orc vs human I think as longer game, then human chances increase.....maybe same vs UD.

[sakal]

Just take a look if u still didn't bigest abuse ever by 4K.Tod... I saw it before... we have one gosu human in Serbia and he is countering elves on this way too :)

Everyone are claiming about it is lame etc. but he doesn't care, he is just owning :)

Here is the rep, 4K.Tod_vs_SK.Hot :

http://www.wcreplays.com/replays.php?get=7003

[4N-Nooby]

Originally posted by True2theCode
i thought i heard many things but what 4n-nooby said is just....AHAHAHAHAH
human cant last in long games !!!
elf in long game - mass bears driads and fairy dragons. can u beat that ?
ud in long game - mass destro and abos. that too much imba to talk about it..
orc in long game - mb by luck u can beat mass taurs, trolls bersek, docs on master and shamans on master
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Don`t make me laugh please !

[4N-Nooby]

If u have right tell me why all ppl call Human Army "ARMY OF IMBA"?

[Terrorboy]

sakal napisał(a)
Just take a look if u still didn't bigest abuse ever by 4K.Tod... I saw it before... we have one gosu human in Serbia and he is countering elves on this way too :)

Everyone are claiming about it is lame etc. but he doesn't care, he is just owning :)

Here is the rep, 4K.Tod_vs_SK.Hot :

http://www.wcreplays.com/replays.php?get=7003 Really cool replay. I 1st time see mass gyros vs NE:D To ppl who say it's noobish - isn't noobish to go mass bears and driads? Who cares....

Btw that's what I like - frustrated enemy quit at end with comment '****in gryphin noob' or 'u only mass summons noob'. LOL:D

[Who_Am_I]

Human can't keep up late game vs NE/UD? Funny **** i guess 800 hp / 11 armor tower is pretty weak, or mass tanks is also weak and too easily counterable especialy when you change like one wave of tanks and then later gyros and just combine, while you expand and when 3-4 towers are up your exp isnt' going down.

[Terrorboy]

This is all true guys, but remember 1 thing: to make this 'imba army' u need tons of resources and lots of time....Can you survive so long....? It's much easier to make bears/driads or aboms/destro. Also, maybe it looks nice on 4k^Tod replays, but it's damn hard to play this style for normal players.....if it would be so easy, why most of human players still use riflecasters? If u no belive take humans and try.....

[Who_Am_I]

Maybe because they are stupid? Watch Insomnia vs FarSeer game on LT, do you really think expand could be so easily harassed if Insomnia made 5-6 towers with level 2 masonry? Yeah Farseer could make more expands while inso is towering but 100/100 human army >>> 100/100 orc army, just mass dragon hawks with 0-3 upgrade -_-

[UnDeaD)RoX]

Originally posted by Who_Am_I
Maybe because they are stupid? Watch Insomnia vs FarSeer game on LT, do you really think expand could be so easily harassed if Insomnia made 5-6 towers with level 2 masonry? Yeah Farseer could make more expands while inso is towering but 100/100 human army >>> 100/100 orc army, just mass dragon hawks with 0-3 upgrade -_-


ohh myb u are stupid...i cant read anymore your stupid posts..
please slow down .. ok?

[Terrorboy]

Who_Am_I napisał(a)
Maybe because they are stupid? Watch Insomnia vs FarSeer game on LT, do you really think expand could be so easily harassed if Insomnia made 5-6 towers with level 2 masonry? Yeah Farseer could make more expands while inso is towering but 100/100 human army >>> 100/100 orc army, just mass dragon hawks with 0-3 upgrade -_- OK, but need link or smg to this replay.

[sakal]

Originally posted by Terrorboy
OK, but need link or smg to this replay.

http://www.wcreplays.com/replays.php?get=7021

[True2theCode]

wanna see ya all playin long games with human vs good uds,elves,orcs and then post replays
it will be really funny

[Who_Am_I]

Originally posted by UnDeaD)RoX
ohh myb u are stupid...i cant read anymore your stupid posts..
please slow down .. ok?

And WTF did you want to say with this?

EDIT:

Ah sorry i just realized you didn't even complete elementary school, i forgive you, hopefully you will get some brain with time. Ignored from now on.

[True2theCode]

making fast expand on LT vs good orc is so damn hard. Mapping is very importand though. If orc is near ur natural u got no chances to fast expand(or atleast u gotta do some miracles)
@who_am_i yeah u are right human100limit>>>orcs100limit

[Metalix]

Vs marss archers go am footy defend .. take second hero mk with clapshot and go change skillzz and take blizzard attack while the ancients are being built ...(lore,wind) and destroy them .. u may also optate for naga as second hero to attack with ttwo heroes .. dont let him make expo .. and try to micro u're units so when u see footy focused from first attack retreat it..even if he has more than 300 hp..(that before u get defend, in case u are fighting with him before u go attack him)

[Ionator]

hey..i'm having the same problem.. not equal.. but real close as man-o-war...
What i'm doing is: going Am as first hero with summon... i make 4 5 foots.. defend... 2 barrcks and upgrade to tier 2..., also try to do blacksmith..., if he comes with dh... just attack him a little.. then wait for him to go... always he comes use mana burn and live.. About the mana, i don't worry a lot because i can use the clarity potion.... Meanwhile the tier2 is upgrading..., i make some towers to defend, and go to his base to kill some whisp.. buildings (if i can).. just something to pull him back to base.. when he comes.. i live..
After that.. use BM as second hero with rifles.....spell b. and priest...lot of priest and some mortar teams...and use blizzard and fire vs the elf army..., i expand before attack his base again... after the expand is completed.. i attack the base... and again. if he comes.. i live... until my army is strong enough to kill him...
Faerie dragons---> kill with rifles and the summon of am
Dryads --->mortar teams...
Rest of the arme --> spell b. blizzard and fire...

This strat. cost me a lot to do it.. sometimes a loose because i got delay for some stupidity.. but if you make it well.. you maybe win... it takes a little of skills and lucky to do it....

Thats what i mostly do vs elf.. try it and tell me if it worrks on you...


GG.. Gl.. HF.. see ya all..

[Ionator]

.. just something to pull him back to base.. when he comes.. i live..

is not live.. is leave.. sorry.. :D

[True2theCode]

every1 here knows atleast 3 good tactics to go vs elf...its the little things that make some1 win and the other one loose

[Ionator]

that is 100% right man....for me.. you have the true.. :D

[Death-_-Master]

i am not a hu player and i dont wanna discuss strategies..
my opinion is that timing and maybe luck is all..
i lost games just because oppenent had 2 book of the dead and maybe healing wards at 40-50 limit...try to beat that:P:D :p

[Ionator]

or another strat is too tower rush.. like angry korea man.. is really usefull that strat...
I use it once. and i won.. here is the replay if you want to see it..
I feel very happy when i won because i really hate elves.. especially when i start to play w3. :D... enjoy..

[Sargeras]

MAN-O-WAR post some replayes if u can plz

I'D use footyes + DEF upg + dEFEND + scroll of protection - Archers cant wound tham no more !
and tech ... swich to huntress ? ROFL swich to shooters and mortars + tanks to faerie + expas + destorying main. i cant see any problem in this - so send replay