Mass fiends. What i can do??

[Andrev_PL]

Hi. If my enemy cr8 mass fiends i yusually lose game....
What is the best vs fiends. PLZ tell me.
I know i must serch replays on wcreplays.com and another sites bothi can't find game orc vs mass spiders.
THX for reply on this post.



Ojj chyba napisalem to w zlym jezyku:] Ale co tam chyba nei bedzie z tym problemow :]

[sakal]

My suggestion is... :

1st hero : Blade Master
2nd hero : Shadowhunter

just go on riders and u will not have problems... with a little micro u will own him ... Buy dust of apperiance if he research upgrade to burrow fiend.

With ensnare and hex, u will own him

[Andrev_PL]

BM is good on small maps.... Both if i play on large like twisted meadows or turtle rock. What i can do??

[ShaQu]

TROLE + DOC :D

[Who_Am_I]

He is obviusly a troll, FFS he is whining about UD vs ORC matchup and he is orc, i hope this is a joke, if not don't play this game anymore.

[cRun]

Firstly, using scroll of speed and pack of grunts, try to surround and kill as many fiends as possible. Keep harassing enemy and creeping, while teching to shamans with lighting shield and bloodlust and wolves. If you're bored, you can try to bulid some taurens also.

REally, I can't understand how somebody can have problems with fiend using undead. When he uses destros, statuses and abos also... It might be a problem. ;]

[THE_WORLD_SUCKS]

cRun chyba dawno w w3 nei grales :)

[PrisonerOfLies]

FS+TC,grunts+raiders or maybe Grunts+mass Windrider ~~

Try to make expand too :)

[sakky]

strong push and stop him to get his ultimate weapon against u ->destroyers. i m not experienced UD player, but i sometimes play UD and i mostly mass destos and try to beat the **** out of enemy by mass desto and few fiends. what mostly makes it hard is "orc push".

u can own by making 1 grunt & fs (wolves) then fast tech till tier 2 TC and mass wyverns. and all u have to do is creep around if possible in moments while forcing UD to be kept w/o creeping. adn yes, u must make him upgrade nerub tower to slow him in tech a bit if u plan to get wyverns. then just mass more wyverns:P

other strat is blademaster & TC (TC if u see "mass more fiends") or SH (SH if enemy is gonna tech for "mass more destro").

if enemy masses destro, then try to outmass him with more bats & establishing expo while he is teching, he is hard on stopping u in it, only hope for him is leveling heroes up (nukes), and u just dont let him that (u are orc afterall, just RUSH RUSH RUSH when u see chance:P).
oh yes, dont be fool by sending one bat by one. that is waste of resources. send them when u mass them a bit to make stronger effect. otherwise DK jsut heals his destros till next attack.

if he masses fiends, just push him to keep DK on low level all the time. GG for undead, u even require much less micro, and raiders are so newb friendly.

[0nslaught]

lol, nothing easier than defeating Ud mass Fiends with Orc

[NoobKicker]

Bloodlust + mass taurans or Grunts or raiders :D !!

[S1KORA]

scroll of speed + mass raider/ kodo = gg
or chainwave ~~

[brain-o-man]

fs tc or fs sh
harass at start dont lose much after that make expo,creep until you get 2 raiders,then harass,after that add kodos if he has abos and add wyws against destros

[cRun]

THE_WORLD_SUCKS£ that's how I played on... erm... 1.13? 1.14? Strategy I provided was succesfull in that time ;o

[Tito]

Hm... u dont know how to win mass fiends ?
just get tc lvl 3 and fs lvl 3 and with little army game is over:D :D :D :D

[Who_Am_I]

Sakky go mass more riflecaster :) Bats are useless vs destors, only counter is mass wywerns, if UD is smart and goes mass destro and has decent amount of micro with armor level 2 or 3 you need to have 3 bats for 1 destro, and if we add coil in to the story it gets even more ****ed up for batraider user :) Biger question would be how to counter really mass wywerns(and by mass i don't mean 5-6 i mean mass like 10+) as UD since nothing works i mean i'm no UD and i don't want to be but i'm just curious coz it seems to me that it is clrealy unbalanced. TC+stomp+wywern FF you lose 2 fiends and your army and hero is still stuned lol :)

[world_titan]

IF U WANT TO DEFET MASS FIENDS SO EASY U HAVE TO DO ONE THING

FOOOOOOOOOOOOTMAN
WITH DEFENSE :D


SO GG TO FIENDS

FOOTMAN DEFETS 2 FIENDS WITH DEFENSE.;)

[brain-o-man]

Originally posted by Who_Am_I
Sakky go mass more riflecaster :) Bats are useless vs destors, only counter is mass wywerns, if UD is smart and goes mass destro and has decent amount of micro with armor level 2 or 3 you need to have 3 bats for 1 destro, and if we add coil in to the story it gets even more ****ed up for batraider user :) Biger question would be how to counter really mass wywerns(and by mass i don't mean 5-6 i mean mass like 10+) as UD since nothing works i mean i'm no UD and i don't want to be but i'm just curious coz it seems to me that it is clrealy unbalanced. TC+stomp+wywern FF you lose 2 fiends and your army and hero is still stuned lol :)

bah use fovs thingy he pwned grubby..
ghouls ..burow harass dk lich gargs to own his wyws ^.^

[Nash_tO_kurwa]

hej crun ty spierdolino końska ;D

[Who_Am_I]

Originally posted by brain-o-man
bah use fovs thingy he pwned grubby..
ghouls ..burow harass dk lich gargs to own his wyws ^.^

Like 4 bats can own 12 gargs. Hello balance?

[AthenianThrall]

Originally posted by Andrev_PL
Hi. If my enemy cr8 mass fiends i yusually lose game....
What is the best vs fiends. PLZ tell me.
I know i must serch replays on wcreplays.com and another sites bothi can't find game orc vs mass spiders.
THX for reply on this post.



Ojj chyba napisalem to w zlym jezyku:] Ale co tam chyba nei bedzie z tym problemow :]

Please stop trying syupid things like watching replays. Just play as UD, cr8 mass fiends and see how your opponent will counter you.

[RazorBlade]

Originally posted by AthenianThrall
Please stop trying syupid things like watching replays. Just play as UD, cr8 mass fiends and see how your opponent will counter you.


interesting idea...:)

[PrisonerOfLies]

Originally posted by Who_Am_I
Like 4 bats can own 12 gargs. Hello balance?


I doubt...

[Who_Am_I]

Originally posted by PrisonerOfLies
I doubt...

Maybe not 4 but 5 or 6 should do the job. Depends if gargs are really close 4 must kill them but 6 would do the job anyway in real game it's not like they will be 1 mile apart from each other :)

[True2theCode]

Fov uses the same tactic vs all races...and he still winz damn...

[War_Chef]

best fs harras wyvern s(with poison & armour) + shamans it realy works ! (maby only 4 noobs ? )

[akiman]

i think this rep would help you
grunts+riders

[4N-Nooby]

FS+TC(War Stomp)+Scroll of speed and mass mass Wyverns and few batriders !

[FlashGordon]

hmm, with orcs?
im not using orcs but.. micro will not be very usefull here, cuz fiends are ranged, and that will take ya expensive time
lets say u on t2?
on front line u got grunts, armor upgraded, hero - blademaster will easly slay them with ch
on the second line u got shadowhunter with healing, some air units and range units, for the ranged units just upgrade dmg

u take the battle for sure
if he has meelee hero then kill hero on the begining of the battle

[4N-Nooby]

Originally posted by FlashGordon
hmm, with orcs?
im not using orcs but.. micro will not be very usefull here, cuz fiends are ranged, and that will take ya expensive time
lets say u on t2?
on front line u got grunts, armor upgraded, hero - blademaster will easly slay them with ch
on the second line u got shadowhunter with healing, some air units and range units, for the ranged units just upgrade dmg

u take the battle for sure
if he has meelee hero then kill hero on the begining of the battle

U need best micro Vs UD !!!!

[FlashGordon]

with huyman i can take him with footies with defend, MK and some casters.. i kill fiends 1 by 1